when judah and tszyu fought the first time judah was still basically a kid 22 23 years old and he outboxed tszyu the first round and got caught by a lucky punch that made him hit his head on the canvas and put him down..similar to when leonard fought duran the first time..leonard was basically still a kid..who agrees that judah is now a man and his body has matured and he rapes tszyu in vicious fashion

when judah and tszyu fought the first time judah was still basically a kid 22 23 years old and he outboxed tszyu the first round and got caught by a lucky punch that made him hit his head on the canvas and put him down..similar to when leonard fought duran the first time..leonard was basically still a kid..who agrees that judah is now a man and his body has matured and he rapes tszyu in vicious fashion

hmm.........

Judah is going to lose to Margarito or De La Hoya or somebody else at welterweight before he has a chance to get KO'd by Tzyu again. You just need to put a little tap on Zabbie's chin and he is chicken dancing for ya.

when judah and tszyu fought the first time judah was still basically a kid 22 23 years old and he outboxed tszyu the first round and got caught by a lucky punch that made him hit his head on the canvas and put him down..similar to when leonard fought duran the first time..leonard was basically still a kid..who agrees that judah is now a man and his body has matured and he rapes tszyu in vicious fashion


It is still hard to judge, Zab has had a few good outings but that immature attitude can come back. Zab left himself open and Tszyu did what he had to.

I would like to see where Tszyu is at and where Judah is at when he fights another top level name. I would still favor Tszyu over power and experience but could lean towards Zab because of youth.

It is hard to know when Tszyu will age, everyone thought he would be done with Sharmba and he surprised us all.

Damn I hope Zab KOs DLH, Margarito and Tszyu one-two-three in a row. Seriously, after that I would ask no more out of boxing (well, I'm sure I'd come up with something else to wish for later on).

when judah and tszyu fought the first time judah was still basically a kid 22 23 years old and he outboxed tszyu the first round and got caught by a lucky punch that made him hit his head on the canvas and put him down..similar to when leonard fought duran the first time..leonard was basically still a kid..who agrees that judah is now a man and his body has matured and he rapes tszyu in vicious fashionThose are the most crack of **** excuses that I've ever heard!
LMAO

Damn I hope Zab KOs DLH, Margarito and Tszyu one-two-three in a row. Seriously, after that I would ask no more out of boxing (well, I'm sure I'd come up with something else to wish for later on).And Bwooooy are you a dreamer. LOL

I dont give a **** how Zab has matured it makes no damn difference, when you fight a guy like Zoo he no matter who you are or how quick or slick you are will land the lazor guided right hand...

If Zab can take it then he may have a shot but....


Does nayone here think Zab can take lazor guided right hands to the chin???

He will need to win a war to beat Zoo, does anyone see Zab winning a give and take war?

I don't!

Those are the most crack of **** excuses that I've ever heard!
LMAO

Since loosing to Kostya Zabbi has prooved so much to up by loosing to corrie Spinks once beating him the second time and beating cosme Rivera.

when judah and tszyu fought the first time judah was still basically a kid 22 23 years old and he outboxed tszyu the first round and got caught by a lucky punch that made him hit his head on the canvas and put him down..similar to when leonard fought duran the first time..leonard was basically still a kid..who agrees that judah is now a man and his body has matured and he rapes tszyu in vicious fashion
Oh, and just as an FYI..

Judah was 24 when he fought Tszyu. Are you still saying his balles ddin't drop then and he was not a "Man"?

Since loosing to Kostya Zabbi has prooved so much to up by loosing to corrie Spinks once beating him the second time and beating cosme Rivera.

Don't forget his other two fights against tomato can Jaimie Rangel and over thehill Rafeal Pineda...

until zab proves he can survive getting hit by a dangerous puncher or zoo starts to look old, theres no way i can take zab over him...

Jab has great future potential.. but saying "judah would destory tszyu now" is _________ (you fill in the blank.. and trust me, this is not a positive statement)

Neither Spinks, nor Corley are on the same level with Tszyu. So lets not jump to stupid conclusions.

Since loosing to Kostya Zabbi has prooved so much to up by loosing to corrie Spinks once beating him the second time and beating cosme Rivera.

Not to start **** up, but what has Margarito proven by losing to Santos, taking forever to beat the lousy Lujuan and then beating up on the extremely overrated Cintron?

I'll create some blank space here so you can pencil in the excuse for losing to Santos:

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Tszyu will kncokout Zab Out like he did the first time they fought, except it will be more like the mitchell fight, Zab won't be abl;e to beat Tszyu until, Tsyzu is like well into his 40's....Zab makes a lot of mistakes defensively and Tsyzu knows how to exploit them plain and simple...

Not to start **** up, but what has Margarito proven by losing to Santos, taking forever to beat the lousy Lujuan and then beating up on the extremely overrated Cintron?

I'll create some blank space here so you can pencil in the excuse for losing to Santos:

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________________Are you saying that the entire welterweight division are bumbs then since you seem to have conceeded that Zab has done f**k all to prove he is a better fighter since loosing to Kostya Tzyu. Margarito did not lose to Santos by the way the official ruling was a technical draw. Need I remind you the record of Margarito's last 5 opponents, they have over a 90% win ratio.


And it is my sincere belief that Margarito would stop Zab Judah inside of 6 rounds. Margarito is a tough STRONG Mexican banger with good stamina, a good chin, a good punch, exactly the kind of fighter that I see giving problems to Zab Judah. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________


.....................There it is in Pencil. Hopefully your eraser has not worn out.

.....................There it is in Pencil. Hopefully your eraser has not worn out.

haha, thanks for obliging me.

I do agree with a lot of the things you say, except for the negative tone towards Zab. Has Zab been tested since his loss to Tszyu? Probably not, because the fighters he's beaten have had styles that were much easier to cope with. Would Margarito give him trouble? Possibly.

But I believe Zab's attitude has improved quite a bit and I wish that people would give him a break over what happened in the Tszyu fight. I mean, Tyson has been forgiven a million times, why isn't Zab allowed a mistake or two?

haha, thanks for obliging me.

I do agree with a lot of the things you say, except for the negative tone towards Zab. Has Zab been tested since his loss to Tszyu? Probably not, because the fighters he's beaten have had styles that were much easier to cope with. Would Margarito give him trouble? Possibly.

But I believe Zab's attitude has improved quite a bit and I wish that people would give him a break over what happened in the Tszyu fight. I mean, Tyson has been forgiven a million times, why isn't Zab allowed a mistake or two?Excusez-moi for stepping in here.
I think people have excused Zab for loosing to Tszyu. I personally would like to see him grow and do see a lot of potential and dominance.

But the thread title reads "judah would destory tszyu now" and that's what I disagree with.

Excusez-moi for stepping in here.
I think people have excused Zab for loosing to Tszyu. I personally would like to see him grow and do see a lot of potential and dominance.

But the thread title reads "judah would destory tszyu now" and that's what I disagree with.

I didn't mean you in particular when I said this, vdiary. You're one of the top posters around here, though don't let the compliment give ya a swelled head :cool: .

There are a number of Zab haters on this site, though. I don't think any of them have entered this thread yet.

I didn't mean you in particular when I said this, vdiary. You're one of the top posters around here, though don't let the compliment give ya a swelled head :cool: .

There are a number of Zab haters on this site, though. I don't think any of them have entered this thread yet.
Well, lets keep an eye on a look out ;)

And thanks for the compliment :p

Don't forget his other two fights against tomato can Jaimie Rangel and over thehill Rafeal Pineda...


Pineda almost whooped Zab's ass. It was pretty close

Pineda almost whooped Zab's ass. It was pretty closeTwo Things:

1) "Almost does not count"
2) "Whatever does not kill us, makes us stronger" :)

Pineda almost whooped Zab's ass. It was pretty close

Yeah, that was a bad one. Whenever I bring up Zab I hope people don't mention that fight cause, like, what can you say?

Speaking of Zab and that fight, did anyone see him when he was co-hosting FNF and forgot that the Pineda fight was the one of the tune-ups before the second Spinks bout? Kinney mentioned Pineda's name and Zab shook his head and said "no" before it dawned on him that Kinney was right. Hilarious.

ok, I am an official zab hater here. Why? because the man can not admit to a loss. Before the second spinks fight, zab said, and i quote, "both of my losses are controversial, so i really look at myself as undefeated"

You're not undefeated, Tszyu destroyed you and exploited your style, like spinksjinks said earlier I believe. I think Tszyu would ko him in a rematch as well, because of the same reason.

The thing I dont get is this so called lucky shot. Tszyu was beating Zab quite handily that second round, and finished it up with a nice KO. But, I realize that I am a zab hater, and quick to judge the man, so please, I'd like to hear everyones opinion as well.

ok, I am an official zab hater here. Why? because the man can not admit to a loss. Before the second spinks fight, zab said, and i quote, "both of my losses are controversial, so i really look at myself as undefeated"

You're not undefeated, Tszyu destroyed you and exploited your style, like spinksjinks said earlier I believe. I think Tszyu would ko him in a rematch as well, because of the same reason.

The thing I dont get is this so called lucky shot. Tszyu was beating Zab quite handily that second round, and finished it up with a nice KO. But, I realize that I am a zab hater, and quick to judge the man, so please, I'd like to hear everyones opinion as well.LOL

Not only Zab is learning.. he's got a sence of humor too
"both of my losses are controversial, so i really look at myself as undefeated" - Classic
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I'm not favoring Judah, I'm not a huge fan, but neither a hater. I like his fights and his style and think he will become something... Like W. Klitschko, he just has to avoid the heavy hitters

He's not the only fighter who says this sort of thing. How many times has Klitschko acted as if he beat Lennox?

The fight would be a lot more competitive, it's a pick em' fight to me.

Since loosing to Kostya Zabbi has prooved so much to up by loosing to corrie Spinks once beating him the second time and beating cosme Rivera.
lol thats what I call maturity! ;)

Zab will beat Dlhs ass all over the place. And i really feel if Zab and Zoo fight again Judah will win.

I doubt that Zab could "destroy" Tszyu, but he can't do worse than the first time...right?

I doubt that Zab could "destroy" Tszyu, but he can't do worse than the first time...right?


KO'd in 1 he could do, worse that is

when judah and tszyu fought the first time judah was still basically a kid 22 23 years old and he outboxed tszyu the first round and got caught by a lucky punch that made him hit his head on the canvas and put him down..similar to when leonard fought duran the first time..leonard was basically still a kid..who agrees that judah is now a man and his body has matured and he rapes tszyu in vicious fashion
what a laugh!! did you watch the fight?

did you see the second round? how can you say lucky punch? judah a kid??


you seem like the biggest kid with this thread.

tsyzu hit judah with a great punch not a lucky punch..anyway im confident that judah would win in a rematch

Zab will beat all three if they're brave enough to fight him. DLH is the only one I think truly brave enough. Margarito might, we'll see. He might start buying his own hype, let's hope so. Bring Mosley too. Really, the only person I'm at all concerned about near 147 is Floyd. Errr...and Ouma, but I don't think either of those will happen for a while for Zab.

The first to give the money punch wins. Both have powers to KO the other at any moment of the fight so we cannot just say that this fighter will KO this fighter or whatever.

Zoo would still own Zab. Zoo's patience would give him the opening that Zab's immature, ****y mind will provide for him. And when he does (probably later this time around)... BAM! I suspect three knock downs from the one punch this time.

All of Tszyus shots are like the one he took Zab out with, that is how accurate and conservative with his punches he is. Everyshot counts to Tszyu.

Tszyu will kill Judah again if they ever fight, just watch the 1st fight on sho.com

what a laugh!! did you watch the fight?

did you see the second round? how can you say lucky punch? judah a kid??


you seem like the biggest kid with this thread.

He caught him with a great punch, you're right. It was perfectly timed, and Zab got caught. He wasn't too terribly hurt, but he got up too fast.

The main reason I quote you is to ask: Who is that in your avatar? Just some random person on the internet, or?...

At this point i believe that Tszyu would still dominate Zab. I'm no Zab hater i just don't think he has the chin to stand up to Tszyu because the shot Tszyu dropped Zab with was an average shot for Tszyu. He lands shot like that all night and if you have a great chin it's just worst for you (watch Tszyu v. MA Gonzales, Rafa Ruelas etc.). I could see Zab running all night and being too akward for Tzsyu to get an ugly decision and thats about it.

Tszyu is a beast, that's the only way too explain him, what's funny is that when i watched the spanish broadcast of one of his fights the tv guy said, "Es una Bestia" (he's a beast).In any language he's a beast.

He caught him with a great punch, you're right. It was perfectly timed, and Zab got caught. He wasn't too terribly hurt, but he got up too fast.

The main reason I quote you is to ask: Who is that in your avatar? Just some random person on the internet, or?...

Looks like Anna K to me....

Zab will beat Dlhs ass all over the place. And i really feel if Zab and Zoo fight again Judah will win.

I gotta say, IMO if they fight at 147, DLH owns Judah. Oscar is 5'11 Judah's what, 5'7? Oscar is naturally larger than Zab and has good handspeed as well as power at that weight. I think Zoo would get him too. He's not going to KO Zoo, and I can't see him avoiding that right hand for 12 rounds, my two cents.

BAM! I suspect three knock downs from the one punch this time.


Yeah, I hope the ref is Nady again. This time maybe he won't grab Zab's arms, and just let him flop right out of the ring lol

I think Zab would make the fight more competetive, but if he takes on Tszyu within the next 18 months, he still loses...mid-round TKO. Kostya is very smart in the ring. He doesn't just "got to work", he watches, waits, figures his opponents out and always finds a home for that right hand.

no doubt in my mind Tszyu still beats Zab. The fight would last longer..doesnt mean it would be more competitive. Kostya still dominates Zab..IMO he's probably in the head of Judah..

no doubt in my mind Tszyu still beats Zab. The fight would last longer..doesnt mean it would be more competitive. Kostya still dominates Zab..IMO he's probably in the head of Judah..
It could be that Zab will have a mental fixation on Tszyu...like you say, he might have Tzsyu on the brain. If he does, it'll probably be over quick.

I tend to think otherwise, though. Zab is a pro and has performed well since his fight with Kostya. I think he'll make it a great fight, but he'll get caught eventually. In fact, I think he'll be winning round about evenly against Kostya, before getting caught with another nasty straight right. He'll look good, right up till the end.

if zab can completely concentrate on boxing koysta and not get crazy and slug with zoo,i can see zab beating him.zab has great boxing skills.but he likes to get lazy in the ring.if he can go from round 1 to the end by avoiding the right hand of zoo and boxing the whole fight he would have a great chance.but if he gets lazy or acts crazy in the ring it would be sleep time again for zab.

The only way Zab survives against Kostya is if he doesn't get in the ring in the first place!! Watching a KT interview on TV the other day & Kostya believes that the current version of himself would "utterly destroy" the 25 year old version of himself if they hypothetically fought. Now that's scary ****...I don't see how anyone @ 140 could beat him, that goes for Mayweather too.

Dream matchup: KT vs Golden Boy @ 147....please god, make it happen!!

The only way Zab survives against Kostya is if he doesn't get in the ring in the first place!! Watching a KT interview on TV the other day & Kostya believes that the current version of himself would "utterly destroy" the 25 year old version of himself if they hypothetically fought. Now that's scary ****...I don't see how anyone @ 140 could beat him, that goes for Mayweather too.

Dream matchup: KT vs Golden Boy @ 147....please god, make it happen!!

why fight the golden girl.zab right now is a better fighter than odh.koysta destroyed an over confident ,immature zab.i think now zab could beat him if he would keep his head in the ring,not try to slug , keep his distance and box zoo.

Zab's too easy for Tszyu to mentally beat.

I just dont think its possible for anyone to destroy Tszyu, especially not Judah.

http://www.***********.com/article/ty4.jpg

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxingchronicle/images2_judahdown.jpg

when judah and tszyu fought the first time judah was still basically a kid 22 23 years old and he outboxed tszyu the first round and got caught by a lucky punch that made him hit his head on the canvas and put him down..similar to when leonard fought duran the first time..leonard was basically still a kid..who agrees that judah is now a man and his body has matured and he rapes tszyu in vicious fashion
you're trippin, kostya will take out zab the same way. you act like zab can't get hit, like he is untouchable....wrong! he is very touchable, especially when he poeses after throwing a shot...kostya will catch him again and ko his ass.....flat out. might not happen as quick as the last time, but he'll ko him for sure. you forget, kostya took zabs shot, zab couldn't handle kostya's. also if terron millet and cory spinks was able to drop judah, kostya will for sure be able to put him away again...
all or nothing was what zab was talking about before the fight, after the fight he was crying and throwing a fit, and didn't want to think about all or nothing...and even if jay nady let it go on, KT would have knocked his block off for good!!!!! KT win again by KO!!!!! all or nothing!!

he was knocked senseless!!!!! laughable this thread!

I think people are forgetting both Tszyu and Judah have changed. Its as simple as that. Its like saying Tarver will knock Jones out every time they fight. I would pick Judah...

"Winner take all"
- Zab Judah

I hope he never gets a rematch.

you're trippin, kostya will take out zab the same way. you act like zab can't get hit, like he is untouchable....wrong! he is very touchable, especially when he poeses after throwing a shot...kostya will catch him again and ko his ass.....flat out. might not happen as quick as the last time, but he'll ko him for sure. you forget, kostya took zabs shot, zab couldn't handle kostya's. also if terron millet and cory spinks was able to drop judah, kostya will for sure be able to put him away again...
all or nothing was what zab was talking about before the fight, after the fight he was crying and throwing a fit, and didn't want to think about all or nothing...and even if jay nady let it go on, KT would have knocked his block off for good!!!!! KT win again by KO!!!!! all or nothing!!

I agree with this.......

you're trippin, kostya will take out zab the same way. you act like zab can't get hit, like he is untouchable....wrong! he is very touchable, especially when he poeses after throwing a shot...kostya will catch him again and ko his ass.....flat out. might not happen as quick as the last time, but he'll ko him for sure. you forget, kostya took zabs shot, zab couldn't handle kostya's. also if terron millet and cory spinks was able to drop judah, kostya will for sure be able to put him away again...
all or nothing was what zab was talking about before the fight, after the fight he was crying and throwing a fit, and didn't want to think about all or nothing...and even if jay nady let it go on, KT would have knocked his block off for good!!!!! KT win again by KO!!!!! all or nothing!!

You know what? I think you and alot others on here talk about KT like he is untouchable. Hell I think Ricky Hatton might beat him.

You know what? I think you and alot others on here talk about KT like he is untouchable. Hell I think Ricky Hatton might beat him.
hatton take's too many on the chin, plus the level of fighters he has fought isnt the same caliber as KT's. there are some common opponents, but KT fought the guys when they were more of a threat in the division, not on the down slope of their careers. basically hatton has fought damaged goods, recycled fighters. the young guys that hatton has fought with winning records i.e. Jason Rowland,Giuseppe Lauri,Justin Rowsell,Mikhail Krivolapov,Stephen Smith, all these guys are nobodies, who have fought nobodies. this makes a big difference in the level of competition.
for as KT to being untouchable, no way by any means. KT gets hit, but the thing is, is that he can take a world class punch, but of late when kostya does fight his defence has gotten a lot better.....hattons a good fighter but not at the same level as KT yet.......

i still take tszyu. undoubtedly judah is a better fighter now than what he was back then but he still couldn't handle tszyu. fight would go longer with but still juhah would lose