View Full Version : Roy and Lennox... history of their chins?


!! Anorak
12-02-2004, 11:43 AM
I haven't seen as many RJJ fights as I'd like to, and I'd turned away from boxing in the mid-90s. So the question is, how do the chins of LL and RJJ hold up?

From the clip I've seen, Lewis appears to go down from a tap vs. McCall, and was badly rocked by Tyson in the first round before holding him. Has his chin ever stood up to heavy-duty barrage?

As for Roy, Johnson said in this month's Boxing Monthly that he believed Roy has never had a good chin, he just hasn't had it tested before. I know he's been knocked down once before... how many shots has his chin had to take?

mic573
12-02-2004, 11:49 AM
Roy's chin had never really been tested before until he started to lose his reflexes. He may have been weak chinned all this time we just didn't know it. Jones did say he got knocked out in the amateurs before, the knockdown from Lou Devalle appeared to shake him up a bit and we all know what Tarver and Johnson did to him.

PBDS
12-02-2004, 11:57 AM
Roy's chin had never really been tested before until he started to lose his reflexes. He may have been weak chinned all this time we just didn't know it. Jones did say he got knocked out in the amateurs before, the knockdown from Lou Devalle appeared to shake him up a bit and we all know what Tarver and Johnson did to him.


...That's a good assesment!!! I think Roy may have hid his chin issues all these years.

Mikie
12-02-2004, 11:58 AM
RJJ was able to avoid the big shots (until recently);

dempseyfire
12-02-2004, 11:59 AM
Jones's chin was decent-he took some good shots from Hopkins and in Tarver 1. I don't think he had a great chin, but it was far from glass.

Lewis had a shaky chin-not glass either, but certainly not on par with other HW champions. Besides the two KO losses, he was wobbled/rocked many times in his career, including Tucker,Bruno, Mercer, Holyfield, Akinwande, Briggs . . .the thing was his opponents were usually too stamina-plagued or inefficeint to follow up, and once Lewis regained his composure he fought back. Lewis had heart.

jack_the_rippuh
12-02-2004, 12:03 PM
He was staggered hard by Klitschko...it almost looked like an act how much he stumbling, and didn't hit the canvas..

!! Anorak
12-02-2004, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I thought about the Klit thing too, though strictly speaking, Klit didn't touch his chin. One of the most exciting fights I've seen, that - I remember it was the side of the head that first rocked LL...

mic573
12-02-2004, 01:06 PM
Didn't Vitali rock Lewis with a good uppercut also or was it the other way around?

!! Anorak
12-02-2004, 01:07 PM
The other way around. Don't get me wrong, Vit was battering Lewis for lots of the fight, but none of them (as far as I recall) were on that one spot.

Cletus Funk
12-02-2004, 01:23 PM
I haven't seen as many RJJ fights as I'd like to, and I'd turned away from boxing in the mid-90s. So the question is, how do the chins of LL and RJJ hold up?

From the clip I've seen, Lewis appears to go down from a tap vs. McCall, and was badly rocked by Tyson in the first round before holding him. Has his chin ever stood up to heavy-duty barrage?

As for Roy, Johnson said in this month's Boxing Monthly that he believed Roy has never had a good chin, he just hasn't had it tested before. I know he's been knocked down once before... how many shots has his chin had to take?

I'd hardly call the McCall shot a tap - it was one of the biggest haymakers I've ever seen landed in a ring (I think he even had his eyes closed when he threw it):D Similar with the Rahman shot and I think both these punches would have taken most people out.

His chin's definitely not great though...even Bruno had him going quite badly.

T-Hop
12-02-2004, 02:03 PM
There is a point in every RJJ fight when he takes a couple square on the chin, including the Ruiz fight. He had only gone down once previous to the Tarver fight, and even that knockdown, against Lou Del Valle, was a half slip. The only reason Roy has chin troubles now is the way he cuts weight. When you burn as much muscle as he did, you inevitably lose fluids around your brain and spinal cord. He just didn't have enough excess weight to cut and it hurt him tremendously. Face it guys, he's never had a glass jaw.

scap
12-02-2004, 03:03 PM
Zelko Mavrivik or whatever his last name was had LEwis hurt in the seventh round and in the first fight with Holyfield Evander said before the fight that he was going to ko Lewis in the third, in that round Evander came out like a man on a mission and definately had LEwis hurt....after that it was all down hill for Commander Evander. (I remeber that fight well, I lost a lot of money!)

!! Anorak
12-02-2004, 04:34 PM
Maybe I need to watch that McCall fight, I only saw a brief clip on the TV when Lennox retired. It looked like a flash punch with no weight behind it, but it was over so quickly.

Glad to hear someone thinks Roy had a chin at one point. Even though I've only known about Roy's career for such a short time (since he took Clinton Woods apart) I've already grown to love the guy as one of my favourites.

scap
12-02-2004, 04:43 PM
WAtch the fight again it was no flash punch...the both were coming in at each other...it wan't the biggest punch ever but it was the perfect shot.

!! Anorak
12-02-2004, 04:55 PM
Here's where I sound like the biggest leech who ever lived... but I noticed with my last post I'd reached 100 (look, I'll donate some cash when I've got some spare, okay? This is a great forum) yet I still can't find the downloads section.

This is by far the best boxing forum I've ever been to, and I aim to stick around (if that's not too bad a thing for the rest of you) but I'm not going to deny I WOULD like to see some fights. In the UK Don King prices us out of the market... I've never seen Chris Byrd.

The Fix
12-02-2004, 05:47 PM
both jones and lewis are gauranteed hall of fame status and both had very successful careers

!! Anorak
12-02-2004, 05:48 PM
Yeah, they ARE, but what about their chins?

As for the clips - I've found them. They must have come up post-100. I won't be greedy, but I will enjoy a couple. Is Tyson-Holyfield in there?

The Fix
12-02-2004, 05:58 PM
their chins shouldnt be in question everything they had set out to accomplish they have

!! Anorak
12-02-2004, 06:21 PM
Somehow I don't think scraping a points win and then getting KOed twice was how Roy wanted to bow out.

Truth
12-02-2004, 07:32 PM
Roy Jones- Roy never had a good chin its just he was so fast his chin was never really tested.

Lennox Lewis- same thing(bad chin)but you have to give him props because he avenged both loses.