It was yesterday so happy late birthday marvinn hagler, the greatest middleweight ever, just edging out carlos monzon.

It was yesterday so happy late birthday marvinn hagler, the greatest middleweight ever, just edging out carlos monzon.


Roy Jones is the greatest middleweight ever.. No one would have beaten him at that weight in his prime. He was a machine!!

It was yesterday so happy late birthday marvinn hagler, the greatest middleweight ever, just edging out carlos monzon.
here here, to the Marvelous One, the most complete fighter of any generation! The man could box, brawl, jab, hook, uppercut, could fight righty & southpaw, and had a serious beard, simply Marvelous!

Hagler was one of my favorites. Most complete middleweight to ever do it in my opinion. Gave us two of the greatest fights in boxing history with Hearns and Mugabi. He was a monster in the ring.

Roy Jones is the greatest middleweight ever.. No one would have beaten him at that weight in his prime. He was a machine!!


nah monzon and hagler could

nah monzon and hagler could

Hopkins, Leonard, and Hearns could too. I am talking about a prime Hopkins, not the inexperienced one who fought Jones in 1993 and still gave a tough fight.

Roy Jones is the greatest middleweight ever.. No one would have beaten him at that weight in his prime. He was a machine!!

Hagler would murder Jones. Hagler was a very smart adaptable fighter. If the situation demanded it he could jab just as good as Winky Wright and win that way, just with his right jab alone. Or he could just plain outbox pretty much anybody, he could switch hit, change from southpaw to orthodox stance at will. Plus Hagler if the situation demande it could brawl with absolutely anybody, he could stand toe to toe with Thomas Hearns John the Beast Mugabi. Hagler would murder Jones. He would box him in the early rounds. The early rounds would be a close tactical boxing match, but Hagler would probably score more points with his jab. If Jones started to outbox Hagler(highly unlikely), Hagler would go in brawl mode then, and there is no possible way Jones could withstand going to toe to toe with Hagler. Not even John Mugabi could stand toe to toe with Hagler. Mugabi was 26-0 with 26KO when Hagler fought him, and Hagler outboxed Mugabi but at one point they went toe to toe and Hagler was the one backing Mugabi up. Like Somebody else said, Hagler is the most complete boxer of all time. In every single part of the game A+ quality, he has no weakness. Hagler is easily the best Middleweight ever in my opinion.

here here, to the Marvelous One, the most complete fighter of any generation! The man could box, brawl, jab, hook, uppercut, could fight righty & southpaw, and had a serious beard, simply Marvelous!

I second that, much love to you Marvelous Marvin Hagler

Hagler would murder Jones. Hagler was a very smart adaptable fighter. If the situation demanded it he could jab just as good as Winky Wright and win that way, just with his right jab alone. Or he could just plain outbox pretty much anybody, he could switch hit, change from southpaw to orthodox stance at will. Plus Hagler if the situation demande it could brawl with absolutely anybody, he could stand toe to toe with Thomas Hearns John the Beast Mugabi. Hagler would murder Jones. He would box him in the early rounds. The early rounds would be a close tactical boxing match, but Hagler would probably score more points with his jab. If Jones started to outbox Hagler, Hagler would go in brawl mode then, and there is no possible way Jones could withstand going to toe to toe with Hagler. Not even John Mugabi could stand toe to toe with Hagler. Mugabi was 26-0 with 26KO when Hagler fought him, and Hagler outboxed Mugabi but at one point they went toe to toe and Hagler was the one backing Mugabi up. Like Somebody else said, Hagler is the most complete boxer of all time. In every single part of the game A+ quality, he has no weakness. Hagler is easily the best Middleweight ever in my opinion.




Yeah he would murder Jones sure... Thats why he lost to Ray Leonard who came out of retirement.. That Ray Leonard wasnt nearly as fast as Jones at 160 and didnt hit nearly as hard! Roy wouldnt knockout Hagler but he would frustrate the hell out of him on way to a UD!!

Yeah he would murder Jones sure... Thats why he lost to Ray Leonard who came out of retirement.. That Ray Leonard wasnt nearly as fast as Jones at 160 and didnt hit nearly as hard! Roy wouldnt knockout Hagler but he would frustrate the hell out of him on way to a UD!!

Roy Jones Jr is not Ray Leonard. And one of Hagler right Jab's would probably knock roy Jones out, or at least stun enough to follow a right jab up with straight left which would knock Jones out cold with his lacking chin. You get bad Karma for saying Jones could beat Hagler that simply unabideable stupidity. Ray Leonard just ran from Hagler the whole fight and Hagler was not at his most game shape for that fight either. It was a bull**** Split descison win. Hardly a victory. Roy Jones is not even Hagler's league. Hagler is better than Jones in every single way.

Hopkins, Leonard, and Hearns could too. I am talking about a prime Hopkins, not the inexperienced one who fought Jones in 1993 and still gave a tough fight.


i dont know why u qutoes me is as214 your other account? a prime hagler would beat anbody in there primes who were at middle

i dotn know why u qutoes me is as12 your other account? a prime hagler would beat anbody in there primes who were at middle

Dude, what's the matter? I am saying that these guys would beat Jones. Why do you think that I mentioned the Jones-Hopkins fight of 1993?

Roy Jones Jr is not Ray Leonard. And one of Hagler right Jab's would probably knock roy Jones out. You get bad Karma for saying Jones could beat Hagler that simply unabideable stupidity. Ray Leonard just ran from Hagler the whole fight and Hagler was at his most game shape for that fight either. It was a bull**** Split descison win. Hardly a victory.


Roy got hit by solid heavyweight Ruiz punches.. You are judging Roys jaw based on his out of prime last fights.. Roy at 160-168 was stronger, didnt get hit as much, and had a decent chin!! Hed have Hagler frustrated lunging all night!!

i dont know why u qutoes me is as214 your other account? a prime hagler would beat anbody in there primes who were at middle


Dude comeon use common sense.. If he couldnt lay a glove on Ray Leonard who wasnt as fast and athletic as Jones and a naturally smaller man why wouldnt a prime Jones beat him?

Happy Birthday Hagler, I'd have him second only to Ray Robinson at MW.

Roy got hit by solid heavyweight Ruiz punches.. You are judging Roys jaw based on his out of prime last fights.. Roy at 160-168 was stronger, didnt get hit as much, and had a decent chin!! Hed have Hagler frustrated lunging all night!!

Roy Jones Jr is made of fine glass. Keep on saying **** like Roy Jones Jr could beat Hagler and is better than Hagler. You find yourself to alot of ignore lists.

Ruiz did not do **** against Jones by the way. I dont even think Ruiz was trying to win. HE just sat there and let Jones jab him.

Roy Jones Jr is made of fine glass. Keep on saying **** like Roy Jones Jr could beat Hagler and is better than Hagler. You find yourself to alot of ignore lists.

Ruiz did not do **** against Jones by the way. I dont even think Ruiz was trying to win. HE just sat there and let Jones jab him.


Great insult you still didnt answer the question.. What would Hagler do to prime Roy if he could barely touch a man who was past his prime and hadnt fought in two years who was naturally smaller, slower, and didnt hit as hard as Roy!!

Roy Jones is the greatest middleweight ever.. No one would have beaten him at that weight in his prime. He was a machine!!
Riiiight! :rolleyes:
Roid would have negotiated Hagler to death.

Hagler would murder Jones. Hagler was a very smart adaptable fighter. If the situation demanded it he could jab just as good as Winky Wright and win that way, just with his right jab alone. Or he could just plain outbox pretty much anybody, he could switch hit, change from southpaw to orthodox stance at will. Plus Hagler if the situation demande it could brawl with absolutely anybody, he could stand toe to toe with Thomas Hearns John the Beast Mugabi. Hagler would murder Jones. He would box him in the early rounds. The early rounds would be a close tactical boxing match, but Hagler would probably score more points with his jab. If Jones started to outbox Hagler(highly unlikely), Hagler would go in brawl mode then, and there is no possible way Jones could withstand going to toe to toe with Hagler. Not even John Mugabi could stand toe to toe with Hagler. Mugabi was 26-0 with 26KO when Hagler fought him, and Hagler outboxed Mugabi but at one point they went toe to toe and Hagler was the one backing Mugabi up. Like Somebody else said, Hagler is the most complete boxer of all time. In every single part of the game A+ quality, he has no weakness. Hagler is easily the best Middleweight ever in my opinion.

.......................This is how Hagler vs Jones would look. This is your answer.

McKay, you can have whatever opinion you wish, but there are PLENTY of people who believe Jones beats Hagler if they fight.

Hopkins, Leonard, and Hearns could too. I am talking about a prime Hopkins, not the inexperienced one who fought Jones in 1993 and still gave a tough fight.

Hopkins was the champ in that fight, and had just as good experience in the pros up to that point as Roy did. Hopkins' style changed according to who he fought, but Roy got smarter and gained even more experience as well. Hopkins "could" beat Jones, but he wouldn't. There's a reason he gave Jones a somewhat tough fight. First off, Hopkins was already very good whether it was known or he was considered p4p or not. In addition there is the injured hand Roy dealt with. Basically, there's no real reason to think Hopkins would win a rematch. The fight might LOOK different, but Roy would probably win the same amount of rounds.

Leonard would just not be strong enough to take Jones. Jones is just as fast and Ray would not be hurting Roy. "p4p" you might have a point.

McKay, you can have whatever opinion you wish, but there are PLENTY of people who believe Jones beats Hagler if they fight.
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There is plenty of people who think eating cow tounge is a delicacy and the claws of chickens.

McKay, you can have whatever opinion you wish, but there are PLENTY of people who believe Jones beats Hagler if they fight.



Hopkins was the champ in that fight, and had just as good experience in the pros up to that point as Roy did. Hopkins' style changed according to who he fought, but Roy got smarter and gained even more experience as well. Hopkins "could" beat Jones, but he wouldn't. There's a reason he gave Jones a somewhat tough fight. First off, Hopkins was already very good whether it was known or he was considered p4p or not. In addition there is the injured hand Roy dealt with. Basically, there's no real reason to think Hopkins would win a rematch. The fight might LOOK different, but Roy would probably win the same amount of rounds.

Leonard would just not be strong enough to take Jones. Jones is just as fast and Ray would not be hurting Roy. "p4p" you might have a point.


A prime Roy beats Hearns, Hagler, and Leonard at 160 hands down.. Too dominant.. These Hagler nuthuggers are judging Roy based on his last two fights where he was shot. How do I know this? Because if Roy had retired right after Ruiz there would be no doubt in anyones mind as to what Roy would do against any of those guys.. Timing is everything in life.. Had he retired after Ruiz he'd be mentioned top 3 or 4 pound for pound of all time!! Maybe even higher

McKay, you can have whatever opinion you wish, but there are PLENTY of people who believe Jones beats Hagler if they fight.



Hopkins was the champ in that fight, and had just as good experience in the pros up to that point as Roy did. Hopkins' style changed according to who he fought, but Roy got smarter and gained even more experience as well. Hopkins "could" beat Jones, but he wouldn't. There's a reason he gave Jones a somewhat tough fight. First off, Hopkins was already very good whether it was known or he was considered p4p or not. In addition there is the injured hand Roy dealt with. Basically, there's no real reason to think Hopkins would win a rematch. The fight might LOOK different, but Roy would probably win the same amount of rounds.

Leonard would just not be strong enough to take Jones. Jones is just as fast and Ray would not be hurting Roy. "p4p" you might have a point.


Hopkins was not the champ. It was for the IBF belt vacated by Toney. Also, Roy himself said that Hopkins became a much better fighter as years passed. I think Jones had tremendous skills, but if they fought again around 2002, Hopkins could have defeated Jones. The fight would have been pretty even.

He (Roid) ducked too many good fighters to be rated anything but an *******!

A prime Roy beats Hearns, Hagler, and Leonard at 160 hands down.. Too dominant.. These Hagler nuthuggers are judging Roy based on his last two fights where he was shot. How do I know this? Because if Roy had retired right after Ruiz there would be no doubt in anyones mind as to what Roy would do against any of those guys.. Timing is everything in life.. Had he retired after Ruiz he'd be mentioned top 3 or 4 pound for pound of all time!! Maybe even higher

Jones had such a ***** fighting style his whole career. If he fought Hagler he would try to run like always and pick pat from the outside. But his chin is so glassy, like I said he would be half out of it after Hagler landed 6 right jabs and 1 straight left. And If Hagler comes after Jones in destroyer mode forget about it. The man got dropped by Glen Johnson's destroyer mode. I know since your a nuthugger the losses to the Johnson and Tarver dont count just like some Tyson fans say Tyson's loss to Douglas does not count because he fired Kevin Rooney. :rolleyes:

So, we are counting down fighters Birthdays, now? :rolleyes:
~~ When fans become stalkers ~~ :D
Jones UD Hagler, on his worse day, and Haglers best day.

So, we are counting down fighters Birthdays, now? :rolleyes:
~~ When fans become stalkers ~~ :D
Jones UD Hagler, on his worse day, and Haglers best day.


YOu are fuggin moron. Jones is officialy the most ovverrated fighter of all time. That is what being the guy with most fights on HBO of any fighter of all time gets for you. Hagler is better than Jones in every single aspect of boxing except running and pit patting like a ***** to get sleeper UD without landing a single meaningfull punch in the entire bout, like againt Toney.

Jones had such a ***** fighting style his whole career. If he fought Hagler he would try to run like always and pick pat from the outside. But his chin is so glassy, like I said he would be half out of it after Hagler landed 6 right jabs and 1 straight left. And If Hagler comes after Jones in destroyer mode forget about. The man got dropped by Glen Johnson's destroyer mode. I know since your a nuthugger the losses to the Johnson and Tarver dont count just like some idiot Tyson fans say Tyson's loss to Douglas does not count because he fired Kevin Rooney. :rolleyes:


***** fighting style LOL.. Its called intelligence... Why would you brawl and get hit when you have the skills not to.. Ask Meldrick Taylor how that worked out for him.. And you think Hagler would land 6 right jabs and a straight left on prime Roy in one sequence. Who do you think Roy is Tito? The losses do count to Tarver and Johnson and Roy will hurt in the history books unfortunately for those losses!! But I say again..If a Leonard who hadnt fought in two years who is smaller, slower, and didnt hit nearly as hard as Roy frustrated Hagler just what do you think Roy would do?

***** fighting style LOL.. Its called intelligence... Why would you brawl and get hit when you have the skills not to.. Ask Meldrick Taylor how that worked out for him.. And you think Hagler would land 6 right jabs and a straight left on prime Roy in one sequence. Who do you think Roy is Tito? The losses do count to Tarver and Johnson and Roy will hurt in the history books unfortunately for those losses!! But I say again..If a Leonard who hadnt fought in two years who is smaller, slower, and didnt hit nearly as hard as Roy frustrated Hagler just what do you think Roy would do?

Its called a ***** fighting style. Running and pit patting from the outside is a ***** fighting style. Especically I have seen so many Roy Jones fights that he got the W. But if felt like he did not deserve to win. He fights like he still in the amateures. He will get wide UD in alot of fights without landing a single meaningfull punchin the entire bout. And Jones would try to run from Hagler but it would not work.

lol @ McKay. Dude are you on antipsychotics?

While on the topic of "glass-chins", I love that iron-chin Golota displayed vs Brewster this past weekend, you simple little man you.

Its called a ***** fighting style. Running and pit patting from the outside is a ***** fighting style. Especically I have seen so many Roy Jones fights that he got the W. But if felt like he did not deserve to win. He fights like he still in the amateures. He will get wide UD in alot of fights without landing a single meaningfull punchin the entire bout. And Jones would try to run from Hagler but it would not work.
Jones could be a ***** like Oscar De La Hoya but still pitty pat his sissy ass to a victory, Jones is like a bigger Prince (style wise), which is pretty kool to watch unlike the other I mentioned.

Its called a ***** fighting style. Running and pit patting from the outside is a ***** fighting style. Especically I have seen so many Roy Jones fights that he got the W. But if felt like he did not deserve to win. He fights like he still in the amateures. He will get wide UD in alot of fights without landing a single meaningfull punchin the entire bout. And Jones would try to run from Hagler but it would not work.


Pitty Pat punches LOL.. Did you see some of his knockouts in his prime.. He cracked Virgil Hills ribs and MErchant said "It sounded like a gunshot at ringside".. Against Melinga he hit the guy so hard his eyes rolled back into his head and he started choking on his tongue.. Roy was a VERY cautious, conservative fighter YES.. But dont insult him and his accomplishments by saying he threw pity-pat punches.. He cracked much harder than the Leonard who fought Hagler did!!

lol @ McKay. Dude are you on antipsychotics?

While on the topic of "glass-chins", I love that iron-chin Golota displayed vs Brewster this past weekend, you simple little man you.

Was Golota knocked out cold by Brewster punches? Answer NO.

Was Jones knocked out cold from one punch by Tarver? answer YES.

Was Roy Jones knocked out cold from a couple of punches from Johnson? Answer Yes.

lol @ McKay. Dude are you on antipsychotics?

While on the topic of "glass-chins", I love that iron-chin Golota displayed vs Brewster this past weekend, you simple little man you.
The most apropriate username here:
You are indeed Super....at being a lightweight.
Whenever anyone disagrees with you we get the dreaded "bad karma". I know you overuse it because you are able to give it so often.........can only be done by someone who uses the option as a lame tool in leiu of any real debating skills.
Grow up, you weed! :D

There is something that some are forgetting here. Jones was not in his prime at 160. Yes, he was strong but he was too big for the weight. He had the skills but the weight draining could have affected him against a relentless, iron chinned Marvin Hagler. For example, watch Jones vs. Hopkins. Jones was completely exhausted in rounds 11 and 12. That was when Hopkins was starting to take over, but it was too late.

There is something that some are forgetting here. Jones was not in his prime at 160. Yes, he was strong but he was too big for the weight. He had the skills but the weight draining could have affected him against a relentless, iron chinned Marvin Hagler. For example, watch Jones vs. Hopkins. Jones was completely exhausted in rounds 11 and 12. That was when Hopkins was starting to take over, but it was too late.
Anybody who thinks Jones was primed when he got KO'd twice, doesnt know squat.

Hey McKay you little crybaby ***** you gave me bad karma because I dont agree with you.. And you call Roy a *****!! You little girlie ***** debate like a man and answer the question.. " IF HAGLER COULDNT BEAT A MAN WHO HADNT FOUGHT IN TWO YEARS HOW WOULD HE BEAT A PRIME MAN WHO WAS FASTER, STRONGER, HIT HARDER, AND WAS MORE ATHLETIC THAN THAT MAN WHO BEAT HIM"..

Anybody who thinks Jones was primed when he got KO'd twice, doesnt know squat.

You must be referring to someone else because I have not said that.

You must be referring to someone else because I have not said that.
He was referring to McKay

1) Boxerhog, there is a bad karma option for a reason. Don't say anything stupid and I won't have to use it, okey doke?

2) I agree Roy was not in his "prime" at 160. Very good but not at his best.

And finally...

Was Golota knocked out cold by Brewster punches? Answer NO.

Was Jones knocked out cold from one punch by Tarver? answer YES.

Was Roy Jones knocked out cold from a couple of punches from Johnson? Answer Yes.

Did Roy ever quit in a fight? Ever?

I think Golota did that before...

Did Roy lose the biggest fights of his career by low-blowing out of it?

Did Roy lose the biggest fights of his career by low-blowing out of it?

He ducked all of the fights that SHOULD have been his greatest.

1) Boxerhog, there is a bad karma option for a reason. Don't say anything stupid and I won't have to use it, okey doke?

2) I agree Roy was not in his "prime" at 160. Very good but not at his best.

And finally...



Did Roy ever quit in a fight? Ever?

I think Golota did that before...

Did Roy lose the biggest fights of his career by low-blowing out of it?

I am glad we are putting Golota and Roy Jones in the same sentence now where Roy Jones belongs. Not in the same breathe or sentence as Marvin Hagler.

True McKay!
But in defence of Andrew, he at least
got into the ring with the best of his peers. He cheated or quit like a ***** but he got in the ring with 'em. Roid wouldn't even do THAT! :D

These ****ing threads get out of hand now because extremists like McKay, IWatchBoxing, and as214 get rediculous when discussing this ****.

Hagler wouldn't kill Jones...Jones wouldn't kill Hagler. Depending on what kind of fight Jones fought, he could win a decision over Hagler or he could get worn down and lose a decision. If this fight went 15 I'd expect Hagler to catch up to Jones and win a decision while dropping him a couple times. Jones had a pretty sure chin at 160...we know that Jones won't hurt Hagler. If it goes 12 I'd lean towards a Roy UD...but Hagler might not have any respect for Roy and could possibly get him out of there later on but I doubt it.

I respectfully disagree, Gringo.
I believe with all my heart that Hagler would destroy Roy.

These ****ing threads get out of hand now because extremists like McKay, IWatchBoxing, and as214 get rediculous when discussing this ****.

Hagler wouldn't kill Jones...Jones wouldn't kill Hagler. Depending on what kind of fight Jones fought, he could win a decision over Hagler or he could get worn down and lose a decision. If this fight went 15 I'd expect Hagler to catch up to Jones and win a decision while dropping him a couple times. Jones had a pretty sure chin at 160...we know that Jones won't hurt Hagler. If it goes 12 I'd lean towards a Roy UD...but Hagler might not have any respect for Roy and could possibly get him out of there later on but I doubt it.


Ok whats your point dude.. I said Roy would win by UD..Sometimes in life you have to take sides instead of treading right down the middle.. So you said maybe Hagler would win, maybe Roy would win.. Fuc*ing brilliant!!!

These ****ing threads get out of hand now because extremists like McKay, IWatchBoxing, and as214 get rediculous when discussing this ****.

Hagler wouldn't kill Jones...Jones wouldn't kill Hagler. Depending on what kind of fight Jones fought, he could win a decision over Hagler or he could get worn down and lose a decision. If this fight went 15 I'd expect Hagler to catch up to Jones and win a decision while dropping him a couple times. Jones had a pretty sure chin at 160...we know that Jones won't hurt Hagler. If it goes 12 I'd lean towards a Roy UD...but Hagler might not have any respect for Roy and could possibly get him out of there later on but I doubt it.

bull****. Screw you for criticing me and calling me fanatic and coming out with a fanatical opinion like the one you just expoused. Your the fanatic here. I am the one with common sence. Hagler is smarter than Jones. Hagler is more adaptable than Jones. Hagler can fight in more styles than Jones. Hagler has better stamina than Jones. Hagler is a better boxer than Jones. Hagler has a better jab than Jones. Hagler has a way better chin than Jones. Hagler is better at landing his power shots than Jones. Hagler moves on his feet good, Jones is faster on his feet than Hagler but not overwhelmingly faster. Jones has slightly faster hands than Hagler but not overwhelmingly faster hands. Hagler has excellent defence. If Jones tries do the lunging **** in on Hagler he meets mister hagler right hand jab coming in and than left to follow it up. None of Jones' **** would work against Hagler. Hagler was just too good in every area of the game and too smart and too adaptable.

Basically I said it would be pretty even...and you claim thats fanatical.

You said Jones would be blown out by Hagler and wouldn't be able to do anything with him.

You tell me which is more fanatical?

Remember McKay, I'm a HUGE Hagler fan, and have been since I was a young lad...

Is it just hard for you to take criticism or what? You automatically go on super defense mode whenever someone disagrees with you. Saying that Roy isn't in Haglers league and that Hagler would crush Roy is pretty extreme, don't you think? You have to be objective here...

Basically I said it would be pretty even...and you claim thats fanatical.

You said Jones would be blown out by Hagler and wouldn't be able to do anything with him.

You tell me which is more fanatical?

Remember McKay, I'm a HUGE Hagler fan, and have been since I was a young lad...

Is it just hard for you to take criticism or what? You automatically go on super defense mode whenever someone disagrees with you. Saying that Roy isn't in Haglers league and that Hagler would crush Roy is pretty extreme, don't you think? You have to be objective here...

It is fanatical to say Hagler and Jones are even. I dont what can be more fanatical than that for the reasons I just explained. Jones is one dimensional compared to Hagler. And Hagler was smarter and would realize he was one demensionable. Plus Jones chin is horrible. If Hagler just attack Jones like he went after Hearsn Jones has no prayer of surviving. He cant get Hagler off of him. Not even John the Beast Mugabi can keep Hagler from coming forward when he wants to come forward and trade. And that side of Hagler is just one of his sides. He can beat you in alot of other ways. And he was smart enough to pick the right way to win each fight. He would figure out Jones and select the proper statagegy. Maybe mauling him maybe jabbing him, who knows.

These ****ing threads get out of hand now because extremists like McKay, IWatchBoxing, and as214 get rediculous when discussing this ****.

What have I said that is so extremist?

I didn't say that they're equal in terms of greatness. I think Hagler is the greater all-time fighter than Jones.

I said that a fantasy matchup between the two at 160 would be pretty even. Jones was a freak of nature at 160 and Hagler was a complete tank. Many things could have happened if they ever were around the same times in their prime. It's not one way or the highway here McKay.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that Roy at 160 would have been killed by Hagler or any other 160 fighter? I'm not talking about his last two fights or anything, I'm talking about prime Roy.

Don't try and dumb it down into, "everything Roy does Hagler will stop" because Haglers not superman you know.

I didn't say that they're equal in terms of greatness. I think Hagler is the greater all-time fighter than Jones.

I said that a fantasy matchup between the two at 160 would be pretty even. Jones was a freak of nature at 160 and Hagler was a complete tank. Many things could have happened if they ever were around the same times in their prime. It's not one way or the highway here McKay.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that Roy at 160 would have been killed by Hagler or any other 160 fighter? I'm not talking about his last two fights or anything, I'm talking about prime Roy.

Don't try and dumb it down into, "everything Roy does Hagler will stop" because Haglers not superman you know.

The debate never was. Who is the great legend all time. The debate always has been Hagler vs Jones in a fight. And there is no question that Jones would be destroyed by Hagler for all the reasons I have already listed at nauseum.

So, we are counting down fighters Birthdays, now? :rolleyes:
~~ When fans become stalkers ~~ :D
Jones UD Hagler, on his worse day, and Haglers best day.


This was your extremist post.

"Jones UD Hagler, on his worse day, and on Haglers best day."

I don't know if you were kidding or not, but Jones on his worst day would lose to Hagler on his best day. Any 160 fighter would lose to Hagler in this scenario.

This is why you get in fights with McKay and as214 and whoever else, because this kind of post is extreme and gives no evidence of why you think this certain outcome would happen.

You're free to post whatever you want though...so ill shut up in the future, I just thought I'd let you know what I think.

This was your extremist post.

"Jones UD Hagler, on his worse day, and on Haglers best day."

I don't know if you were kidding or not, but Jones on his worst day would lose to Hagler on his best day. Any 160 fighter would lose to Hagler in this scenario.

This is why you get in fights with McKay and as214 and whoever else, because this kind of post is extreme and gives no evidence of why you think this certain outcome would happen.

You're free to post whatever you want though...so ill shut up in the future, I just thought I'd let you know what I think.


I give detailed reasons to back up everything I say. Extremely detailed breakdowns.

The debate never was. Who is the great legend all time. The debate always has been Hagler vs Jones in a fight. And there is no question that Jones would be destroyed by Hagler for all the reasons I have already listed at nauseum.


Okay well agree to disagree then...

such as this


bull****. Screw you for criticing me and calling me fanatic and coming out with a fanatical opinion like the one you just expoused. Your the fanatic here. I am the one with common sence. Hagler is smarter than Jones. Hagler is more adaptable than Jones. Hagler can fight in more styles than Jones. Hagler has better stamina than Jones. Hagler is a better boxer than Jones. Hagler has a better jab than Jones. Hagler has a way better chin than Jones. Hagler is better at landing his power shots than Jones. Hagler moves on his feet good, Jones is faster on his feet than Hagler but not overwhelmingly faster. Jones has slightly faster hands than Hagler but not overwhelmingly faster hands. Hagler has excellent defence. If Jones tries do the lunging **** in on Hagler he meets mister hagler right hand jab coming in and than left to follow it up. None of Jones' **** would work against Hagler. Hagler was just too good in every area of the game and too smart and too adaptable.

And this is what you call an argument and reasoning and a breakdown

It is fanatical to say Hagler and Jones are even. I dont what can be more fanatical than that for the reasons I just explained. Jones is one dimensional compared to Hagler. And Hagler was smarter and would realize he was one demensionable. Plus Jones chin is horrible. If Hagler just attack Jones like he went after Hearsn Jones has no prayer of surviving. He cant get Hagler off of him. Not even John the Beast Mugabi can keep Hagler from coming forward when he wants to come forward and trade. And that side of Hagler is just one of his sides. He can beat you in alot of other ways. And he was smart enough to pick the right way to win each fight. He would figure out Jones and select the proper statagegy. Maybe mauling him maybe jabbing him, who knows.

This was your extremist post."Jones UD Hagler, on his worse day, and on Haglers best day."
I don't know if you were kidding or not, but Jones on his worst day would lose to Hagler on his best day. Any 160 fighter would lose to Hagler in this scenario.
This is why you get in fights with McKay and as214 and whoever else, because this kind of post is extreme and gives no evidence of why you think this certain outcome would happen.
You're free to post whatever you want though...so ill shut up in the future, I just thought I'd let you know what I think.
Jones would school Hagler so bad on his best day, that he could aford to lose a few points, or slack off, which is why I say on his worse day he will still win.

Jones would school Hagler so bad on his best day, that he could aford to lose a few points, or slack off, which is why I say on his worse day he will still win.

YOu see, you got nothing to back your **** talk stupidity up. Why? Because nonsense like this cant be backed up with any facts, logic, or reasoning.

YOu see, you got nothing to back your **** talk stupidity up. Why? Because nonsense like this cant be backed up with any facts, logic, or reasoning.
A Hagler vs. Hopkins winner is up in the air, meaning either could win, tho I would favor Hagler since you people seem to think very highly of him, and we all know what Jones did to Hopkins with a broken hand or whatever.

A Hagler vs. Hopkins winner is up in the air, meaning either could win, tho I would favor Hagler since you people seem to think very highly of him, and we all know what Jones did to Hopkins with a broken hand or whatever.

Hopkins is nothing compared to Hagler either. Because Hagler is even smarter and more adaptable than Hopkins. He can fight in more styles. He is faster. He hits harder. He has better chin. He has better stamina. He has a way better jab. He fight southpaw or orthodox. And the list goes on.

Hopkins is nothing compared to Hagler either. Because Hagler is even smarter and more adaptable than Hopkins. He can fight in more styles. He is faster. He hits harder. He has better chin. He has better stamina. He has a way better jab. He fight southpay or orthodox. And the list goes on.
You are right Hagler is perfect, and todays fighters are ****, my mistake, he would KO all of todays fighters in one round.

A Hagler vs. Hopkins winner is up in the air, meaning either could win, tho I would favor Hagler since you people seem to think very highly of him, and we all know what Jones did to Hopkins with a broken hand or whatever.


You just have no idea what your talking about. You have not seen probably any Hagler fights except the one with Hearns. Your knowledge of boxing probably begins with Felix Trinidad and ends with Miguell Cotto. In any event I forgive you for your ignorance this time. Just dont do it again.

You are right Hagler is perfect, and todays fighters are ****, my mistake, he would KO all of todays fighters in one round.


Today's fighters are fine. They are just not the greatest ever middleweight. There can only be only one greatest ever middleweight and he is from 80's and that is Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Only one person can be the greatest ever. There is no shame in being #3 or #4.

Hopkins is nothing compared to Hagler either. Because Hagler is even smarter and more adaptable than Hopkins. He can fight in more styles. He is faster. He hits harder. He has better chin. He has better stamina. He has a way better jab. He fight southpaw or orthodox. And the list goes on.
HEY PRETENDER, this post was to wish Marvelous Marvin a HAPPY B-DAY, not to argue about meaningless Hagler/Hopkins/Jones fantasy match-ups, quit being such a geek and pay attention

:fest30: bump.........Happy Birthday Marvelous Marvin Hagler . :birthday: :birthday:


Too bad its already Tommorrow in Italy.

correct me if im wrong but wasnt sugar ray robinson a middleweight? isnt he widely considered THE perfect fighter?

correct me if im wrong but wasnt sugar ray robinson a middleweight? isnt he widely considered THE perfect fighter?


at welter not middle still top 5 middle though is SRR

One other thing about Hagler he made 11 successfull defences of the Undisputed Middleweight title. I believe that is still the record for most defences of the Undisputed Middleweight title but I could be wrong. And 10 of the 11 succussfull defences were by KO, only Duran went the distance.

the reason hagler is looked upon so highly is the fact that he fought at a time when there where many great fighters at his weight, just like ali did, so other great boxers through no fault of their own are not given the same respect beause they didn't face the same intense compition

Happy belated Birthday to the Great Marvin Hagler. Regardless of whether or not he was the best of all-time. Whether or not he could beat Jones...it just doesn't matter. Marvin Hagler was great, he was one of a kind and he was one of the best damn fighters I've ever had the pleasure to watch. Boxing needs more Haglers.

God Bless Hagler!!! :cool: