D'you actually think this will become a reality? I thought Roy Jones Junior had retired! :dunno:

He definatly isn't the fighter he used to be, and he's gonna end up getting knocked out again! - Maybe not by Clinton Woods? But either Tarver or Johnson in the re-match.

I don't think Roy Jones should do it!... :nono:

What do you guy's think?

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Roy Jones, HBO, look to England

Roy Jones Junior's comeback continues to creep towards becoming a reality with the news that HBO has sealed their consent on the former pound-for-pound king travelling to England to take on old opponent Clinton Woods in an IBF light-heavyweight title bout.

It appeared Jones's Hall of Fame career had been ended last year when he was brutally KO'd by first Antonio Tarver and then Glen Johnson. But two weeks ago Jones issued a press release denoting his opinion that the June 18 rematch between Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver in Memphis were merely 'an eliminator' to earn a return bout with himself.

And now comes word that Jones's Square Ring promotional group are in serious talks with Woods's Fight Academy people to make a fight around September time.

Woods's manager and promoter Dennis Hobson told SecondsOut: "Brad Jacobs (Square Ring boss) has sent a letter confirming that HBO are on board and are happy with the fight. All sides think it is an easy fight to make. We've worked together with Square Ring before and have very good business relationships. One of the major components in getting the fight on - HBO coming on board - has been sorted out and we are very interested in making the fight in Sheffield (Woods's hometown) later this year."

Word is that Jones's fight contract with HBO states if he rematches with an opponent he's already beaten (and Woods was halted in six back in September 2002) he receives less money. However, with Jones in need of a rehabilitation fight after getting brutally KO'd by Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson last year, it appears HBO and Square Ring have reached some sort of agreement.

Hobson added: "I think Jones wants to fight the winner out of Johnson v Tarver and get his revenge but wants a warm up fight before then. I'm sure Jones also wants the IBF title as a bargaining chip going into that fight and sees Clinton as a soft touch. Maybe Jones thinks Clinton is a vulnerable champion or something but let me say this, there's no way Jones wins this rematch."

Woods, meanwhile, can't wait for the fight to be signed: "The two fights I really want are another crack at Johnson (with whom Woods drew and lost to in a brace of IBF fights) or a rematch with Roy. I'm a totally different fighter than I was in them fights and I proved that by knocking out an unbeaten puncher in Rico Hoye (in February) to win the IBF title. I feel so strong now and can't wait to get back in training and defend my belt."

There's a chance that Woods will be ordered to fight IBF No.1 contender Julio Gonzalez before any Jones fight can take place, though, Hobson said there other big offers are coming in for Woods.

Admitting his fighter is probably in high demand because he's perceived as a vulnerable champion, Hobson said: "We've had other big offers to go outside the UK, too, but turned them down because we think Clinton deserves to have his first world title defence in his hometown. We had a good offer to go to Australia to fight Danny Green but we want to do the fight in the UK.

"I know some people see Clinton as a (weaker) champion but that's great for us because everyone wants to fight him. But, believe me, there's not a single light heavyweight on the planet who will beat him now he's sorted his diet and training out. I watched the tape of the first Jones fight the other day and it looked like a different man. Clinton was so skinny he looked ill. Look at his body in the Hoye fight now he's got a nutritionist on board.

"The only way Roy wins any rematch is on a dodgy decision."

Hobson said the fight, if it comes to fruition, will take place at the Sheffield Arena or perhaps even Sheffield Wednesday Football Club's Hillsbough stadium.

Article courtesy of http://www.secondsout.com

Jones better just take his chances with Johnson or Tarver before he loses to Clinton Woods...

Jones wont be coming back, there is to much talent at 175 to keep the division champions busy. Roy is having to much fun announcing and working on his music.

Roy doesnt need to come back, and boxing doesnt need him back.

Jones can comeback and take Woods' title, then retire with a belt and a win. As a champion.

The Roy that fought Johnson + the Woods that fought Hoye = Roy's third defeat. Let's hope not.

The Roy that fought Johnson + the Woods that fought Hoye = Roy's third defeat. Let's hope not.


Remember when Jones fought Woods the first time? The best thing Larry Merchant could come up with to say about Woods was that he was "a former hard drinker". Thats some ****ed up ****. I still say Jones wins by UD in a boring, cautious fight.

Remember when Jones fought Woods the first time? The best thing Larry Merchant could come up with to say about Woods was that he was "a former hard drinker". Thats some ****ed up ****. I still say Jones wins by UD in a boring, cautious fight.
I dunno man... I think not only is RJJ a little on the "SHOT" side, I also think he's lost his heir of invinsibility...

Fighters now know that the way to beat RJJ is to pressure him, and land HUGE BOMBS and sooner or later you're gonna get through.

Roy needs to work on his technique and other defensive skills to protect himself from getting dropped if hes serious.

Roy needs to work on his technique and other defensive skills to protect himself from getting dropped if hes serious.
Yeah, Remember when Ali lost his speed, he had to learn new tactics to continue fighting.

Only Muhammed Ali had a chin of steel!... And Roy doesn't.

Yeah, Remember when Ali lost his speed, he had to learn new tactics to continue fighting.

Only Muhammed Ali had a chin of steel!... And Roy doesn't.


Well yeah but thats what Im saying. He needs to learn how to do something else in order to prevent getting KO'ed. Just look at James Toney and Hopkins in their old age. They are using defense and styles that make them succeed against younger opponents. Although he doesn't have the granite chin, Roy needs to find something similar to help him win.

Well yeah but thats what Im saying. He needs to learn how to do something else in order to prevent getting KO'ed. Just look at James Toney and Hopkins in their old age. They are using defense and styles that make them succeed against younger opponents. Although he doesn't have the granite chin, Roy needs to find something similar to help him win.
Yeah... I reckon RJJ could adopt the defensive/counter punching style that Bernard Hopkins has.

Mind you, I think RJJ likes to be the entertainer, and you don't win fans with Hopkins negative style... :dunno:

Remember when Jones fought Woods the first time? The best thing Larry Merchant could come up with to say about Woods was that he was "a former hard drinker". Thats some ****ed up ****. I still say Jones wins by UD in a boring, cautious fight.

I would agree, especially in light of some of the other "comebacks" we have seen recently (I'm thinking of Vargas and Mosley in particular here). There's no question that Jones will still be feeling the damage inflicted upon him and will take it easy. I'm sure he's thinking of wins now, not flashy KOs.

I think Jones really wants to go out on his terms, not by being knocked out two times in a row. Of course there's a good chance that this might not work out for him even if he does come back.

Remember when Jones fought Woods the first time? The best thing Larry Merchant could come up with to say about Woods was that he was "a former hard drinker". Thats some ****ed up ****. I still say Jones wins by UD in a boring, cautious fight.Yeah, but that's because US commentators never have anything nice to say about Limeys. :)


Nah, don't get me wrong, I'd love Roy to come back, and I'm not hyping Clinton. All I'm saying is that Clinton has marginally improved since then... not enough to make any kind of difference against the Roy Jones he fought in September 2002, but enough to KO the Roy who fought Glen Johnson in September 2004.

Incidentally, though I never believe too strongly in triangular logic, since the Jones bout Woods twice went the distance with Johnson, scraping a (controversial) draw in their first meeting.

Yeah, Remember when Ali lost his speed, he had to learn new tactics to continue fighting.

Only Muhammed Ali had a chin of steel!... And Roy doesn't.


Roy got caught with one of the most perfect landing punches in boxing and agaisnt Johnson he went down from a temple shot. We still hardly know anything about Roys' chin.

Roy got caught with one of the most perfect landing punches in boxing and agaisnt Johnson he went down from a temple shot. We still hardly know anything about Roys' chin.
I think I'll have to strongly diss-agree with you there...

Guy's like Mayorga have been caught with shots even harder and not flinched...

Roy's chin is suspect... You don't get sparked at the begining of a fight from one punch, then again get knocked unconcious in you next fight etc... If you've got a good chin.

I think I'll have to strongly diss-agree with you there...

Guy's like Mayorga have been caught with shots even harder and not flinched...

Roy's chin is suspect... You don't get sparked at the begining of a fight from one punch, then again get knocked unconcious in you next fight etc... If you've got a good chin.

He wasn't hit in the chin on the second. What do you not understand about that?

The first would, literally, have dropped any fighter in the light heavy division, and knocked the heads off anyone from lower divisions. It was the perfect punch.

He wasn't hit in the chin on the second. What do you not understand about that?

The first would, literally, have dropped any fighter in the light heavy division, and knocked the heads off anyone from lower divisions. It was the perfect punch.
Look fella... It doesn't really matter how someone get's knocked out - whether they got caught flush on the chin, on the temple, on the cheek or a straight cross... It's how your equalibrium deals with it that counts.

And you can't really train that into someone. You either have it or in RJJ's case - you don't.

Roy was hit with hard and sharp punches by tarver in the first fight, at times by Ruiz, definitely by Toney, and now and then by other fighters, most of whom were bigger than him.

Roy did not have a weak chin. His chin might have been made weak (as in he is more prone to concussion these days) by the first Tarver fight, losing so much muscle, and age. After taking a picture perfect concussion-causing punch from Tarver in the rematch, his brain is even more softened. All of these events made it even easier for Glen to KO him (although with a hard, well-placed punch on the temple).

Roy's chin may not be great now, but I've watched him fight bigger guys than himself since the amatuers, and his chin is not weak historically.

If this is true, this is disgusting. Jones already has a victory over Woods in 2002. But whats even worse is the circumstances. First off, I was appaulled when Jones decided to fight Glen Johnson for the IBF belt instead of a rubber match with Tarver, and we all know what happened there. Now, having failed to annex the meaningless belt against Johnson, he has decided to take on a guy he thoroughly dominated in Portland for the belt he failed to win against Johnson. To further show how meaningless the belt is, he has lost 2 straight by KO and is getting a title shot. Jones is losing more and more favor with me with this recent show of cowardice.

Roy was hit with hard and sharp punches by tarver in the first fight, at times by Ruiz, definitely by Toney, and now and then by other fighters, most of whom were bigger than him.

Roy did not have a weak chin. His chin might have been made weak (as in he is more prone to concussion these days) by the first Tarver fight, losing so much muscle, and age. After taking a picture perfect concussion-causing punch from Tarver in the rematch, his brain is even more softened. All of these events made it even easier for Glen to KO him (although with a hard, well-placed punch on the temple).

Roy's chin may not be great now, but I've watched him fight bigger guys than himself since the amatuers, and his chin is not weak historically.
good call, Roy's D and chin were solid for years, but Mother Nature had to catch up to Superman at one point or another....not to act "Pretender-ish" but I do believe that a few of the right hands that Ruiz landed vs. Jones did some serious long-term damage, and then Tarver and Glencoffe came in to demolish the damaged goods, going back down to 175 was a big mistake in retrospect, losing 24 lbs of muscle is very unhealthy

Look fella... It doesn't really matter how someone get's knocked out - whether they got caught flush on the chin, on the temple, on the cheek or a straight cross... It's how your equalibrium deals with it that counts.

And you can't really train that into someone. You either have it or in RJJ's case - you don't.


You are contradicting yourself, you said his chin wasnt steel because he was knocked out twice. Well he wasnt knocked out twice from his chin being checked.

Tarver threw one of the most beautiful left hands and connected, Roys defense was down and he was coming in and Tarver was just a few seconds later and caught him. That is it anybody would get caught with a shot like that considering the circumstances that Jones was in.

Johnson pressured and bullied Jones and broke him down landing punches from his body to his head, he caught him on the top of the head and pushed up on the ropes Glen stepped back and Roy fell. Hardly a chin shot but from being chin checked, Johnson broke Roy down with an accumulation of punches. Nothing chinny about that fight.

Jones wont be coming back, there is to much talent at 175 to keep the division champions busy. Roy is having to much fun announcing and working on his music.

Roy doesnt need to come back, and boxing doesnt need him back.And you actually believed all the B.S. he said on **********?
"Division is busy enough w/o him!" LOL Yeah OKAY.. here come RJJ the savior!
Give me a break. The supperman came across some kryptonite **** and lost his powers!

I'm surprised The Pretender is not yet saying that Ruiz retired RJJ. As he hasn't been the same ever since that fight.

good call, Roy's D and chin were solid for years, but Mother Nature had to catch up to Superman at one point or another....not to act "Pretender-ish" but I do believe that a few of the right hands that Ruiz landed vs. Jones did some serious long-term damage, and then Tarver and Glencoffe came in to demolish the damaged goods, going back down to 175 was a big mistake in retrospect, losing 24 lbs of muscle is very unhealthy
In boxing, there are no excuses. He got ko'ed legitimately by Tarver and Johnson.

I ain't diss-respecting Roy Jones... I think he was a special talent. The thing is, with his style he never really got caught with punches much untill later on in his career.

I don't think we ever really knew if he had the chin or not untill the 2000's onwards, coz' he didn't really get hit much.

I do think that he had a slight "Heir of invinsibility" that made others fight him very cautiously... And I think Tarver ignored it and went to Roy throwing bombs! Which we've learnt is the way to beat RJJ.

good call, Roy's D and chin were solid for years, but Mother Nature had to catch up to Superman at one point or another....not to act "Pretender-ish" but I do believe that a few of the right hands that Ruiz landed vs. Jones did some serious long-term damage, and then Tarver and Glencoffe came in to demolish the damaged goods, going back down to 175 was a big mistake in retrospect, losing 24 lbs of muscle is very unhealthy

18 pounds. He lost 18 pounds. He weighed in at 193 for the Ruiz fight.

In boxing, there are no excuses. He got ko'ed legitimately by Tarver and Johnson.

No one is denying that they were legitimate. Roy's chin isn't what got him KOed in the second fight. It was A) a temple shot, and B) he had taken a lot of abuse for 8 of 9 rounds. The Tarver shot, he just got caught, it happens.

Roy isn't the same fighter he was, because he's older and slower. Taking on Woods is NOT cowardly, it's a warm up. You can't take almost a year off, then go right back to the top of your game.

In boxing, there are no excuses. He got ko'ed legitimately by Tarver and Johnson.
who's making excuses? Just stating the facts, Roy was past his prime, went up to 199, then came back down to 175, which is an accomplishment in itself, and Tarver and Johnson won legitimately by KO vs. an old & weathered Roy Jones, no excuses just the facts ma'am

1) Tarver would not have been able to do what he did if RJJ and him had fought even just 2-3 years earlier.

2) Jones' chin was tested enough to see that it was not "weak". It might be "weak" now, but it has not been that way in the past.

18 pounds. He lost 18 pounds. He weighed in at 193 for the Ruiz fight.



No one is denying that they were legitimate. Roy's chin isn't what got him KOed in the second fight. It was A) a temple shot, and B) he had taken a lot of abuse for 8 of 9 rounds. The Tarver shot, he just got caught, it happens.

Roy isn't the same fighter he was, because he's older and slower. Taking on Woods is NOT cowardly, it's a warm up. You can't take almost a year off, then go right back to the top of your game.
Does that make the story any different? Sorry, 18 lbs not 24, big deal, the facts remain the same either way you slice it, Roy didn't have 2 pounds of fat to lose, let alone 18-24, it was all muscle

18 pounds. He lost 18 pounds. He weighed in at 193 for the Ruiz fight.


With shoes and clothes on right?

Vdiary-No but what I think he meant was that there are a lot of tough guys at 175 who will give the current champions a run for there money and is no need to come back with the decent competition their.

You are contradicting yourself, you said his chin wasnt steel because he was knocked out twice. Well he wasnt knocked out twice from his chin being checked.

Tarver threw one of the most beautiful left hands and connected, Roys defense was down and he was coming in and Tarver was just a few seconds later and caught him. That is it anybody would get caught with a shot like that considering the circumstances that Jones was in.

Johnson pressured and bullied Jones and broke him down landing punches from his body to his head, he caught him on the top of the head and pushed up on the ropes Glen stepped back and Roy fell. Hardly a chin shot but from being chin checked, Johnson broke Roy down with an accumulation of punches. Nothing chinny about that fight.
Look fella, I think you need to read my "Equalibrium" post again? Doesn't seem like you understood it. :confused:

It's how well your equalibrium works after taking a heavy head shot... If you're fortunate to have it, you'll get up and your head will clear much quicker!

But if you don't, (Like RJJ) you're f**ked... You can't get up!

Look fella, I think you need to read my "Equalibrium" post again? Doesn't seem like you understood it. :confused:

It's how well your equalibrium works after taking a heavy head shot... If you're fortunate to have it, you'll get up and your head will clear much quicker!

But if you don't, (Like RJJ) you're f**ked... You can't get up!


I read your post, in one thread you said ali had a chin of steel but roy did not and that is what I was referring to.

Uhhmmm...?... When some one says "That guy's got a weak chin"... It doesn't mean literally the guy's chin... It means that his ability to take head shots is not strong.

That's nothing to do with how you get hit... Chin/temple/cheek/straight cross... It's because you lose your equalibrium when you take a head shot.

When you lose your equalibrium it's in the ears... It's your balance, (I won't go to much into it) but it's to do with tenticals that bend through liquid movement in the head, when you drink alcohol or get whacked in the head, the tenticals bend and make you unsteady on your feet. (dizzy)

Having a strong chin (being able to take a shot) is more a medical thing than any other.

who's making excuses? Just stating the facts, Roy was past his prime, went up to 199, then came back down to 175, which is an accomplishment in itself, and Tarver and Johnson won legitimately by KO vs. an old & weathered Roy Jones, no excuses just the facts ma'am
Whats with all the nitpicking and all this garbage about Jones doesn't have a bad chin, it was a temple shot, all garbage. The Tarver KO was a chin shot, but since it was a counter, he doesn't have a bad chin. The fact is, Jones got ko'ed twice, not by some young up and comer looking to make his mark, but by 2 guys the same age as himself.

I was reading an article in Ring Magazine evaluating Jones' legacy, and even they stated that his 2 KO's were not seperated from the main part of his career, thus tarnishing the entire career. He was a great fighter, but sometimes when you get hit, you go down and stay down.

P.S.
Maybe he wasn't ko'ed by Johnson, he only got knocked down and the canvas ko'ed him. No excuses in boxing, no excuses.

And for those contending that the Woods rematch is simply a tune up, I thought Roy Jones was Super Man? If you are going to call him the greatest, then shouldn't he fight the greatest? His decision to give Woods a rematch is little more than what the Johnson fight was, an attempt to get an alphabelt with little resistance so he can claim he was a 4 time Light Heavyweight Champ.

Well.

You'd think Woods would be a good opponent for Roy, but I've watched plenty of Woods fights, he has a good chin, the fight'll goto the cards.Now if Woods developed a more powerful punch since the last time I saw him, Roy will be in for a long night without those Jones Jr reflexes.

Uhhmmm...?... When some one says "That guy's got a weak chin"... It doesn't mean literally the guy's chin... It means that his ability to take head shots is not strong.

That's nothing to do with how you get hit... Chin/temple/cheek/straight cross... It's because you lose your equalibrium when you take a head shot.

When you lose your equalibrium it's in the ears... It's your balance, (I won't go to much into it) but it's to do with tenticals that bend through liquid movement in the head, when you drink alcohol or get whacked in the head, the tenticals bend and make you unsteady on your feet. (dizzy)

Having a strong chin (being able to take a shot) is more a medical thing than any other.



To say Ali has a chin of steel and roy doesnt gives me the assumption that since Ali's chin is steel and not his whole head than perhaps you are obviously referring to his chin, when you say "chin of steel"

To say Ali has a chin of steel and roy doesnt gives me the assumption that since Ali's chin is steel and not his whole head than perhaps you are obviously referring to his chin, when you say "chin of steel"
Whats with the word games and bull****? Ali stood up to the punches of Foreman, Shavers, Frazier, Liston, Lyle, Quarry, all these guys. He suffered only 1 KO loss in his career, and that was to Holmes after retiring. He took a few early spills in his career, mainly because he was so flighty, but he showed heart and courage, and Jones has showed he has issues getting off the canvas.

okay first of all when you see a guy take a bunch of huge shots and stay on his feet, it isn't always because he can take a punch because of his body makeup, chin or whathaveyou.

in fact, 70% of the time, at least in my opinion, when you see a guy take shot after shot, they are doing just what i do.they are moving their head with the punch, like larry holmes used to do.he had excellent reflexes,right before he'd get punched he'd turn his head,turn with the punch. even if you move your head as you get punched it fourths the power of the shot.this effectively halves the power of the punch about to hit you, makes it feel about like a nerf football hitting you in the face at full speed rather than a gloved fist. check it out I made a movie on the art of taking a punch,fast forward past the first two dorm fights though.


thats how people **** around and get ko'd in the first round,they dont know how to absorb punches.its an art.
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Whats with the word games and bull****? Ali stood up to the punches of Foreman, Shavers, Frazier, Liston, Lyle, Quarry, all these guys. He suffered only 1 KO loss in his career, and that was to Holmes after retiring. He took a few early spills in his career, mainly because he was so flighty, but he showed heart and courage, and Jones has showed he has issues getting off the canvas.


No word games about it, I am NOT saying Ali doesnt have a chin of steel.

But in regards to his argument he said "Ali has a chin of steel...Roy doesnt"

Well my rebuttle was that Roy was knocked out ONCE from a shot on the chin, and the other was from an acummulation of punches that did NOT land on his chin.

He fires back that he wasn referring to his chin.

I was just stating the obvious, since he said Roy was knocked out twice and had a bad chin.

Does Leonard Dorin or Oscar De la Hoya have bad chins since they were both knocked out?

I realize what he is arguing and is not stupid but he contradicted himself.

No word games about it, I am NOT saying Ali doesnt have a chin of steel.

But in regards to his argument he said "Ali has a chin of steel...Roy doesnt"

Well my rebuttle was that Roy was knocked out ONCE from a shot on the chin, and the other was from an acummulation of punches that did NOT land on his chin.

He fires back that he wasn referring to his chin.

I was just stating the obvious, since he said Roy was knocked out twice and had a bad chin.

Does Leonard Dorin or Oscar De la Hoya have bad chins since they were both knocked out?

I realize what he is arguing and is not stupid but he contradicted himself.
Come on, give me a break. Anyone who is overly susceptible to a knock out with a shot to the head has a bad chin. I understand that you are a die hard Jones fan and will do just about anything in your power to defend your hero, but come on! Bringing in the Dorin and De La Hoya ko's as defense was simply ridiculous.

A KO to the head hasn't got anything to do with your chin itself, but the entire head and ability to absorb a shot. The chin is just used as a symbol for that because it is the most vulnerable target on the head. It's even worse for Jones to get ko'ed by a temple shot as that isn't as vulnerable as a chin shot.

You never heard Duran or Chavez talking like this. They came to fight.

Where have you gone Duran, Chavez, Hagler? What has boxing become?

okay first of all when you see a guy take a bunch of huge shots and stay on his feet, it isn't always because he can take a punch because of his body makeup, chin or whathaveyou.

in fact, 70% of the time, at least in my opinion, when you see a guy take shot after shot, they are doing just what i do.they are moving their head with the punch, like larry holmes used to do.he had excellent reflexes,right before he'd get punched he'd turn his head,turn with the punch. even if you move your head as you get punched it fourths the power of the shot.this effectively halves the power of the punch about to hit you, makes it feel about like a nerf football hitting you in the face at full speed rather than a gloved fist. check it out I made a movie on the art of taking a punch,fast forward past the first two dorm fights though.


thats how people **** around and get ko'd in the first round,they dont know how to absorb punches.its an art.
It sure is, Knife.

In fact, I watched Roy get KTFO again by Tarver last night. When I was watching it I couldn't help but think to myself "Why didn't Roy get some advice from Knife? He moves his head like the great Larry Holmes." You should work his corner, dude!

I think if Roy comes back focused and dedicated Tarver is the only LHW that can beat him. He's going to have to adopt some orthodox moves tho', no more **** fighting moves and lead rights all the time.

Come on, give me a break. Anyone who is overly susceptible to a knock out with a shot to the head has a bad chin. I understand that you are a die hard Jones fan and will do just about anything in your power to defend your hero, but come on! Bringing in the Dorin and De La Hoya ko's as defense was simply ridiculous.

A KO to the head hasn't got anything to do with your chin itself, but the entire head and ability to absorb a shot. The chin is just used as a symbol for that because it is the most vulnerable target on the head. It's even worse for Jones to get ko'ed by a temple shot as that isn't as vulnerable as a chin shot.

You never heard Duran or Chavez talking like this. They came to fight.


I wasnt a fan of Roy until recently and am not totally sold on the guy.

I UNDERSTAND THE SAYING OF HAVING A GOOD CHIN!

But that isnt what I am trying to say, to say Roy has a weak chin is crazy. He was in there with bigger and stronger opposition, Roy doesnt have a weak chin.

ROY JUST DOESNT HAVE IT!

But that isnt what I am trying to say, to say Roy has a weak chin is crazy. He was in there with bigger and stronger opposition, Roy doesnt have a weak chin.

It don't matter if he fought Tyson, Tua, and Frazier, if you don't get hit, then you never know.

It don't matter if he fought Tyson, Tua, and Frazier, if you don't get hit, then you never know.


Jones has been hit that is the thing though, Roy was also bullied around in the ring just like Johnson in the Telesco fight I believe.

Jones has been hit that is the thing though, Roy was also bullied around in the ring just like Johnson in the Telesco fight I believe.
You had me interested in what you had to say, and then you come back with some bull**** like David Telesco. Thats it, I'm going home. I got my new cell phone to play with. I don't have credit yet, so my dad put me on his Family Plan. It's Verizon, which I heard is the best. Plus I get In Plan free, and all my friends also have Verizon.

With shoes and clothes on right?

Vdiary-No but what I think he meant was that there are a lot of tough guys at 175 who will give the current champions a run for there money and is no need to come back with the decent competition their.

That's the official weight that Boxrec.com shows. I'd assume that it wasn't with shoes and clothes on.

FYI, yes, Roy weighed in at 193 with clothes and shoes on, but weighed 199 the following night on the HBO scale.

You had me interested in what you had to say, and then you come back with some bull**** like David Telesco. Thats it, I'm going home. I got my new cell phone to play with. I don't have credit yet, so my dad put me on his Family Plan. It's Verizon, which I heard is the best. Plus I get In Plan free, and all my friends also have Verizon.


Telesco used the same strategy Johnson did and just swarmed Roy on the ropes. That is a fact, to bad it didnt work out.

Jones has been hit that is the thing though, Roy was also bullied around in the ring just like Johnson in the Telesco fight I believe.

In fact, he took a good elbow right to the chin. That was the best shot Telesco gave him the whole fight.

Also, Telesco didn't do what Johnson did. He actually got slapped around most of the fight in the center of the ring. Bryant Brannon came out and did that, then got TKOed it 2. I mean, the first looked a LOT like the first round of the Johnson fight.

im surprised most of you havent noticed the change in RJJ's build the past months. win lose or draw, roy has been taking all his time off to prepare and get back what he lost.

out of all the people with opinions on here how many of you people have actually had to cut weight to wrestle or box? my guess is that 95% of you havent, because if you did you would know how hard it is even for a person with a little chub to get that weight off let alone 18-24 pounds of muscle.

and i also wonder how many of you actually watched the fights as more then a casual fan, if you watched the ruiz fight and watched the tarver fight with any kind of knowledge then you would see that those were 2 different RJJ. Ruiz fight he was ripped and looked agile like normal, tarver fight he had the mass but looked sick, not cut, skin was loose and was not agile at all, if tarver would have pressed in the fight he would have easily gotten the decision and possibly a late round KO. i just happened to watch both fights last night.

In fact, he took a good elbow right to the chin. That was the best shot Telesco gave him the whole fight.

Also, Telesco didn't do what Johnson did. He actually got slapped around most of the fight in the center of the ring. Bryant Brannon came out and did that, then got TKOed it 2. I mean, the first looked a LOT like the first round of the Johnson fight.


Thanks for giving me the heads up, I remember seeing that in Roys knockout dvd.

Guess it was Brannon, I stand corrected.