View Full Version : How Great was Holyfield?
TheGreat1 05-23-2005, 08:28 AM I just watched his 1st title fight against Qawi. This was only Holy's 12 professonal fight, but he whas great. The annoucers where trying to down play Holy the whole fight. After 15 tough rounds I only gave Qawi rd 5 and 15. and if you saw this fight it was toe to toe all night, no clinching. Holy seemed to get the better of the veteran champion all night. This was only the beginning, throughout his career he has always taken the toughest fights available. His resume is almost unmatched. My question to you is who has had a resume as good as or better than Holyfield. Does he deserve to be the highest paid fighter in boxing history which he already is?
spinksjinx 05-23-2005, 08:35 AM Olympic gold medal winner
Unified the cruiserweight division with pure domination
Never took an easy fight always fought the best
Dwight Muhammad Qawi X2
Pinklon Thomas
James (Buster) Douglas
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Riddick Bowe
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer X2
Mike Tyson X2
Lennox Lewis
John Ruiz
Hasim Rahman
Easily one if not the best resumes in boxing today, Holyfield is a great and aside from him going on far to long like most boxers will not be detrimental to his hall of fame career. Holyfield has the riches any man can only imagine. He earned everything and was always an underdog who never quit most of all he is deserving of everything that has been earned.
Holyfield one of the greatest (if not) boxers in the history of the sport.
Cletus Funk 05-23-2005, 09:10 AM Probably the best resume in the last 20 years. Awesome fighter.
moochi 05-23-2005, 09:23 AM not bad....although he was unlucky to be around whilst Lennox Lewis was......he dodged him for a long time and even corrupted a draw from the first fight......
definitely a great fighter, and probably in the top 10 heavyweights of all time.....Lennox Lewis was much greater though..
TysonKO50-5-0 05-23-2005, 09:27 AM He hit's the #10 spot on my all-time HW top 10 list.
The problem with Holyfield was unlike Lewis and Tyson, he was never dominant. It was clear, at one point, that Lewis and Tyson were the top guy and they held that status for consecutive years. With Holyfield, however, it was never clear that he was the top guy and on top of that he was never dominant for multiple, consecutive years.
Also, if he keeps on fighting, he is gonna damage his legacy more and more. There is only so many times you can give the guy a free pass on being past his prime. He just keeps getting embarassed nowadays and if getting shutout to Larry Donald doesn't get you to retire I don't know what does.
That said, he has a good resume and made more of himself with the average skills that he had.
josenoway 05-23-2005, 09:53 AM Great fighter and now a victim of his own success...he can't walk away from that taste of victory, he's enjoyed it so many times.
I'd never tell another man what to do with his life...but I'd be happy to see Evander enjoy his golden years outside of the ring.
paul750 05-23-2005, 10:56 AM he's got to be one of the greatest warriors the heavyweight division has ever seen, i think the fact that he fought bowe, lewis and tyson also makes him stand out from the rest, i don't think a fighter has ever been written off as many times as holyfield has either,i think before the tyson fight 19 out of 20 top boxing ''experts'' thought that he would lose to tyson
oldgringo 05-23-2005, 10:56 AM Holyfield is the man. You can't argue with what he's done in his career and he'd give any fighter to ever do it a run for their money if he didn't beat them in the first place. His first fight with Bowe was unreal...he took on one of the hardest fights ever against that young Bowe and showed that he would never quit.
ejk22 05-23-2005, 11:54 AM One of the best ever. I put him up there with the great ones like Ali, Marciano, Dempsey etc.
The Pretender 05-23-2005, 12:01 PM Holyfield the best fighter of the 90s easily. Great person and 2nd best heart the hw div ever seen!
Holy is one of my favorite fighters of all time. Everything said about him in this thread is true. Especially the part about him fighting anyone. He is an all time great, and top 10 in my opinion.
And Im not talking about just heavyweights either.
When you go back, and cruise though his record....its crazy. Plain and Simple.
!! Mr. Soprano 05-23-2005, 12:08 PM he's got to be one of the greatest warriors the heavyweight division has ever seen
Someone finally said it
Someone finally said it
One of the greatest warrior's? That is a ridiculous understatement. He has the biggest heart of any fighter whoever lived at any weight class.
Slipx 05-23-2005, 02:25 PM i like holyfield, however
the one thing i think is pretty lame,is the fact that he claims he went to a baptist healer, got touched by this healer and fell down unconscious,then started touching other people there and them falling down unconscious.
if you believe in that, and then also believe a goat talked,and also believe they fit 2-3million different species of animals on a boat,
........Then you're clearly a ****tard.
Truth 05-23-2005, 02:35 PM He was prolific heavyweight, one of the best ever. He just got old and didn't know when to retire. Holyfield should of retired after he beat Ruiz.
tyson 05-23-2005, 02:39 PM i like holyfield, however
the one thing i think is pretty lame,is the fact that he claims he went to a baptist healer, got touched by this healer and fell down unconscious,then started touching other people there and them falling down unconscious.
if you believe in that, and then also believe a goat talked,and also believe they fit 2-3million different species of animals on a boat,
........Then you're clearly a ****tard.
Being in too many wars doesn't make you very smart, does it?
Slipx 05-23-2005, 03:55 PM Being in too many wars doesn't make you very smart, does it?
lol, no it doesnt. which is why i have so much respect for b-hop.
holyfield is smart to a degree, though.at least back when the legendarynights bowe-holyfield was filmed, which was probably later 1990's.i remember he said something like 'I chose to feel insecure about what I thought people would say' etc and that's why he trained so hard, sounded like he had his head on straight.tyson's 'spinal' thing was the worst though.
Tha Greatest 05-23-2005, 03:59 PM Slipx clear out your pm box so I can sent u the signature
TheGreat1 05-23-2005, 06:10 PM not bad....although he was unlucky to be around whilst Lennox Lewis was......he dodged him for a long time and even corrupted a draw from the first fight......
definitely a great fighter, and probably in the top 10 heavyweights of all time.....Lennox Lewis was much greater though..
if you saw the 2nd fight Holy outboxed LL, and should have won that one.
TheGreat1 05-23-2005, 06:12 PM i like holyfield, however
the one thing i think is pretty lame,is the fact that he claims he went to a baptist healer, got touched by this healer and fell down unconscious,then started touching other people there and them falling down unconscious.
if you believe in that, and then also believe a goat talked,and also believe they fit 2-3million different species of animals on a boat,
........Then you're clearly a ****tard.
what does that have to do with his boxing skills, or resume?
rocko617 05-23-2005, 06:20 PM Boxing skills are not measured by just what you do in the ring, but what you do on the outside of the ring. If Holyfield jumped in the ring the day one of his family members died, do you think he would do well? I don't think so. If Holyfield got touched with healing to help him, let's not assume this hasn't helped him. His resume is not only boxing, but what he did with what boxing gave him.
TheGreat1 05-23-2005, 10:41 PM Boxing skills are not measured by just what you do in the ring, but what you do on the outside of the ring. If Holyfield jumped in the ring the day one of his family members died, do you think he would do well? I don't think so. If Holyfield got touched with healing to help him, let's not assume this hasn't helped him. His resume is not only boxing, but what he did with what boxing gave him.
I disagree, didn't McCall Ko LL a few days after his mother died? What you do outside of the ring does not relate to your skills. How you react to the situation is on you, you either have the skills or you don't
Foreman 05-23-2005, 11:52 PM Holyfield was one of the greatest, Period. He would give anyone on the top ten all time list a hard time. He may not beat everyone of them, but they better come in shape and prepared to fight of Holy will have their azz. He kinda reminds me of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore etc., in that he may not have had the greatest size or punch, but he was always prepared and used his head. Lennox shouldn't be put above or even compared to Holy. Sure lennox was bigger, blah, blah, blah. Holy was better hands down.
When you think about, there isn't another fighter that would make better fantasy matchups. Holy vs. Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Holmes etc would all be great fights. I'm not saying Holy would beat them all, but they would be great to see.
MetalVomit 05-24-2005, 12:59 AM I just watched his 1st title fight against Qawi. This was only Holy's 12 professonal fight, but he whas great. The annoucers where trying to down play Holy the whole fight. After 15 tough rounds I only gave Qawi rd 5 and 15. and if you saw this fight it was toe to toe all night, no clinching. Holy seemed to get the better of the veteran champion all night. This was only the beginning, throughout his career he has always taken the toughest fights available. His resume is almost unmatched. My question to you is who has had a resume as good as or better than Holyfield. Does he deserve to be the highest paid fighter in boxing history which he already is?
Holyfield was the man, and is my favorite fighter of all time. He should have retired after losing to Lennox.
TheGreat1 05-24-2005, 02:51 AM Holyfield was the man, and is my favorite fighter of all time. He should have retired after losing to Lennox.
No agruement there. But whenever he fights i still can't seem to bet against him
Manny_P 05-24-2005, 02:57 AM Holyfield is awezome! If Holyfield wasn't so sexy, I dont think that, that foo Tyson woulda bitten off his ear. Give me a woot woot! LOL!
joeboxer 05-24-2005, 03:00 AM Holyfield believed in the power of the Lord. That is how he was able to defeat Tyson.
onetwopunch 05-24-2005, 06:25 AM One of the greatest fighters I have seen in my era, undisputed cruiser and a 3 time heavy weight champ..or is it 4 time..
Kimmy 05-24-2005, 07:11 AM Its 4 time but the belt he won fighting John Ruiz is usually dis - regarded.
Holyfield fought the highest level of competition in the 1990`s, compared to any fighter of that era. He also, up untill fighting Lennox lewis had one of the best records in any division ( Every fight Evander had in the 1990`s bar 5, were heavyweight title matches ).
The fighter of 1990`s for sure and maybe makes number 8 on my top ten heavies of all time. I am also counting that Evander was undisputed crusierweight champ, that must add to his credentials when ranking him!
Hunna 05-24-2005, 07:53 AM I just watched his 1st title fight against Qawi. This was only Holy's 12 professonal fight, but he whas great. The annoucers where trying to down play Holy the whole fight. After 15 tough rounds I only gave Qawi rd 5 and 15. and if you saw this fight it was toe to toe all night, no clinching. Holy seemed to get the better of the veteran champion all night. This was only the beginning, throughout his career he has always taken the toughest fights available. His resume is almost unmatched. My question to you is who has had a resume as good as or better than Holyfield. Does he deserve to be the highest paid fighter in boxing history which he already is?
Holy's record or boxing credentials, should neva be questioned. He has earned all boxing fans respect plus more... there will only eva be one "real deal".
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