Yep, but I like many others that listen to hip hop dont buy his albums.

I wont even download his song for free.
Have you heard any Common album other than Be or Electric Circus?

Yep, but I like many others that listen to hip hop dont buy his albums.


Which ones have you heard?

Be, Like Water for Chocolate and One day it will all make sense (last two havent heard in years.)
Which ones have you heard?

Be, Like Water for Chocolate and One day it will all make sense (last two havent heard in years.)


Like Water For Chocolate is his best album, by far. Definent Classic.

Ressurrection is a near classic.

One Day It'll All Make Sense is dope.

Can I Borrow A Dollar is seriously dope as well.


Like I said, you can't fault a guy for trying to reach a broader fan base through Love(it's better than crunk.)after putting out classic/near classic material steadily for a decade.

I can fault him when i see him going and doing whatevers hot and not selling. While at the same time being hyped (magazine covers, etc). I mean hes had more chances than Foxy Brown to succeed. BTW, Foxy Browns first album and second went platinum. But what has she done since? What has common done at all in his career.

I cant respect Common when he goes to the fad producers (, Kanye) and tries to present the image that "hes making real music". I think the people answered him by not buying his albums.
Like Water For Chocolate is his best album, by far. Definent Classic.

Ressurrection is a near classic.

One Day It'll All Make Sense is dope.

Can I Borrow A Dollar is seriously dope as well.


Like I said, you can't fault a guy for trying to reach a broader fan base through Love(it's better than crunk.)after putting out classic/near classic material steadily for a decade.

What has common done at all in his career.




I see what you mean about the producers, but it's obvious you havent heard anything other than Be or Electric Circus after reading this statement. Are you angry that he is not selling? because you said you can't fault him for trying. Common has dropped classics. What has he done at all in his career? His attempts to reach a broader audience, while tapping the "it" producers of the moment, at least werent blatant sellouts. 2pac, like it or not SOLD OUT to reach more, I could go on, but here's some Common for you to find and listen to, since you dont buy albums, download these and tell me what you think:

Heat
Cold Blooded
The Light
Sixth Sense
Nag Champa
I Got A Right Ta
Soul Power
Real ***** Quotes
G.O.D.
Making A Name For Ourselves
I Used To Love H.E.R.
Watermelon
Breaker 1-9


just off the top of my head. I can understand you dont dig his last 2 albums, but to even ask what has he done in his career? wow.

How many points would you like to donate to have No One Can Do It Better in your PM box?
i actually found a link for it, thanks anyway :)

You're quoting Dave Mays/Benzino as a source for hip-hop??? That magazine lost its credibility years ago!

They gave JaRules last album near perfect or perfecting rating because he hated 50/eminem like they did.
they used to be the preimer hip-hop magazine, and that list is a very good one. sure the source has fallen off but whick album(s) do you feel shouldnt be on that list?

dead prez is having serious legal troubles with their record label. RBG is a fantastic album, two or three tracks short of a classic.
revolutionary but gangsta was pretty good but it was a little lacking. dead prez are great but they need to solve them problems and get back in the game

Let me check the link. But you should be suspicious when the co-owner is a rap artist himself and gave himself and his group Made Men perfect ratings. I would never use the Source as a source.
they used to be the preimer hip-hop magazine, and that list is a very good one. sure the source has fallen off but whick album(s) do you feel shouldnt be on that list?

Im angry that hes putting up these two images, one of being a lyrics/"real artist" and another one who just goes with whatever is hot. Also, its just not producers, but artists too. A year after the Roots won a grammy. Guess who featured the Roots on their album the following year? Common. Black thought was featured twice on one of his albums shortly after the Roots one a Grammy and their first platinum plaque from the buzz off the grammy win.

Whats worse is that Common and Kanye live in Chicago. Common had to have known about Kanye for YEARS. But Common waited until Kanye won a grammy to use him as a producer.

Just a side fact, Kanye's studios are in Chicago, not New York. Common could have had a Kanye track for years, but the time wasnt right until Kanye won a grammy.
I see what you mean about the producers, but it's obvious you havent heard anything other than Be or Electric Circus after reading this statement. Are you angry that he is not selling? because you said you can't fault him for trying. Common has dropped classics. What has he done at all in his career? His attempts to reach a broader audience, while tapping the "it" producers of the moment, at least werent blatant sellouts. 2pac, like it or not SOLD OUT to reach more, I could go on, but here's some Common for you to find and listen to, since you dont buy albums, download these and tell me what you think:

Heat
Cold Blooded
The Light
Sixth Sense
Nag Champa
I Got A Right Ta
Soul Power
Real ***** Quotes
G.O.D.
Making A Name For Ourselves
I Used To Love H.E.R.
Watermelon
Breaker 1-9


just off the top of my head. I can understand you dont dig his last 2 albums, but to even ask what has he done in his career? wow.

They gave Made Men-4.5, not perfect. That album is actually decent for it's time, but EXTREMELY dated. A product of selling out for the hot **** of the moment. The Source has been getting better. I think Benzino resigned, didnt he? Coincidence? I think not

I hate quoting record sales, because commerical doesnt equate to being good music. But records sales are indicators on whether or not people like your music.

People clearly aren't feeling Commons music.

In saying that, am I saying multiplatinum 50 cent is better than Common, not in my opinion. But in the millions and millions and millions that bought 50s album but didnt buy Common, 50 is better.

Im still not buying the source. They play favorites and have hidden motives to their album ratings and ads they sell to artists.
They gave Made Men-4.5, not perfect. That album is actually decent for it's time, but EXTREMELY dated. A product of selling out for the hot **** of the moment. The Source has been getting better. I think Benzino resigned, didnt he? Coincidence? I think not

I hate quoting record sales, because commerical doesnt equate to being good music. But records sales are indicators on whether or not people like your music.

People clearly aren't feeling Commons music.

In saying that, am I saying multiplatinum 50 cent is better than Common, not in my opinion. But in the millions and millions and millions that bought 50s album but didnt buy Common, 50 is better.


Mainstream media brainwashes these kids into thinking what they want them to think is hot. That is WHY Common is trying to do things to reach a broader audience, he's TRYING to show them that it's more than 50 Cent and guns, *****es,blunts and violence. Mainstream music fans arent buying Common's ****, not because he's wack, but because these kids are brainwashed into thinking that Eminem started hip hop and 50 Cent is the Michael Jordan of the game.

Im angry that hes putting up these two images, one of being a lyrics/"real artist" and another one who just goes with whatever is hot. Also, its just not producers, but artists too. A year after the Roots won a grammy. Guess who featured the Roots on their album the following year? Common. Black thought was featured twice on one of his albums shortly after the Roots one a Grammy and their first platinum plaque from the buzz off the grammy win.

Whats worse is that Common and Kanye live in Chicago. Common had to have known about Kanye for YEARS. But Common waited until Kanye won a grammy to use him as a producer.

Just a side fact, Kanye's studios are in Chicago, not New York. Common could have had a Kanye track for years, but the time wasnt right until Kanye won a grammy.

Im still not buying the source. They play favorites and have hidden motives to their album ratings and ads they sell to artists.


XXL does the same thing, only worse.

I have to agree with you there...
Mainstream media brainwashes these kids into thinking what they want them to think is hot. That is WHY Common is trying to do things to reach a broader audience, he's TRYING to show them that it's more than 50 Cent and guns, *****es,blunts and violence. Mainstream music fans arent buying Common's ****, not because he's wack, but because these kids are brainwashed into thinking that Eminem started hip hop and 50 Cent is the Michael Jordan of the game.

Im angry that hes putting up these two images, one of being a lyrics/"real artist" and another one who just goes with whatever is hot. Also, its just not producers, but artists too. A year after the Roots won a grammy. Guess who featured the Roots on their album the following year? Common. Black thought was featured twice on one of his albums shortly after the Roots one a Grammy and their first platinum plaque from the buzz off the grammy win.

Whats worse is that Common and Kanye live in Chicago. Common had to have known about Kanye for YEARS. But Common waited until Kanye won a grammy to use him as a producer.

Just a side fact, Kanye's studios are in Chicago, not New York. Common could have had a Kanye track for years, but the time wasnt right until Kanye won a grammy.

Also, Godzhands, in addition to the new bolded statements above, do you think Dead Prez would lose their credibility if the Neptunes did all songs on their new album? Why is it any different with Common. How come he hasnt lost respect?

Mainstream media brainwashes these kids into thinking what they want them to think is hot. That is WHY Common is trying to do things to reach a broader audience, he's TRYING to show them that it's more than 50 Cent and guns, *****es,blunts and violence. Mainstream music fans arent buying Common's ****, not because he's wack, but because these kids are brainwashed into thinking that Eminem started hip hop and 50 Cent is the Michael Jordan of the game.


mnash, this is WHY common is hooking up with the "hot" people of the moment. He's trying to break the mainstream and show these kids that its not all about degrading women,busting guns and being gangsta. It's not about his tactics,it's about what he's trying to accomplish. You would understand that if you knew what he's about. You should check out his older ****.

Im angry that hes putting up these two images, one of being a lyrics/"real artist" and another one who just goes with whatever is hot. Also, its just not producers, but artists too. A year after the Roots won a grammy. Guess who featured the Roots on their album the following year? Common. Black thought was featured twice on one of his albums shortly after the Roots one a Grammy and their first platinum plaque from the buzz off the grammy win.

Whats worse is that Common and Kanye live in Chicago. Common had to have known about Kanye for YEARS. But Common waited until Kanye won a grammy to use him as a producer.

Just a side fact, Kanye's studios are in Chicago, not New York. Common could have had a Kanye track for years, but the time wasnt right until Kanye won a grammy.

Also, Godzhands, in addition to the new bolded statements above, do you think Dead Prez would lose their credibility if the Neptunes did all songs on their new album? Why is it any different with Common. How come he hasnt lost respect?
mnash, this is WHY common is hooking up with the "hot" people of the moment. He's trying to break the mainstream and show these kids that its not all about degrading women,busting guns and being gangsta. It's not about his tactics,it's about what he's trying to accomplish. You would understand that if you knew what he's about. You should check out his older ****.

I probably should listen more to his older music, but dead prez has all the social issues Im interested in while at the same time theyre not trying to reach the mainstream, because they have a pretty militant outlook on things.
mnash, this is WHY common is hooking up with the "hot" people of the moment. He's trying to break the mainstream and show these kids that its not all about degrading women,busting guns and being gangsta. It's not about his tactics,it's about what he's trying to accomplish. You would understand that if you knew what he's about. You should check out his older ****.

I respect you Godzhands and The Fixs opinions. You guys remember the outcry Mobb Deep got when they had that song with 112 Hey Luv? Many fans felt Mobb Deep went against the grimey/gutter image theyve been portraying. Its no difference with Common. You have to be consitent in my eyes.

Same with wannabe Gangster Dr. Dre. The only reason I bought the latest chronic was for the beats. I plan to not buy Detox cause Scott Storch isnt producing. Storch realized Dre shouldnt be recieving production credits when hes actually on the keyboards making the beats.

Sick verse from Raekwon: Only Built 4 Cuban Linx

"Verse Two: Cappadonna

Yo, the first branch, the third leaf, whoever want it got beef
I politic, show love, crush those who dare creep
Into my realm of sunshine I praise divine
Fine line between dawn of dumb, deaf and blind
He ain't mine, he shook like the ******s on daytime
Crossed over grain while we was bubblin moonshine
Sippin on the Moet, laid up, Rae-Gambino
Mastermind the plan, Tony Starks, Cappachino
Develop while your head be swellin up all for the nation
Blinded by the ice while I release the confrontation
Donna holy fat bads of weed, ravioli
Pasta, Bodyguard the killa bee songs like Kevin Costner
Infrared all inside your bumba rasta
Cappadonna pimped the derby like the mobster."

I respect you Godzhands and The Fixs opinions. You guys remember the outcry Mobb Deep got when they had that song with 112 Hey Luv? Many fans felt Mobb Deep went against the grimey/gutter image theyve been portraying. Its no difference with Common. You have to be consitent in my eyes.

Same with wannabe Gangster Dr. Dre. The only reason I bought the latest chronic was for the beats. I plan to not buy Detox cause Scott Storch isnt producing. Storch realized Dre shouldnt be recieving production credits when hes actually on the keyboards making the beats.


Mobb Deep and 112 is not the same as Common's situation. Look, Mobb did that to boost sales. Common is reaching for that,BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TRYING TO EDUCATE THESE KIDS THAT ARE BRAINWASHED into buying this commercial crunk/gangsta/degrading ****. By reaching out to neptunes/kanye, he has a better chance at reaching these kids that think it's ok to shake it like a dog and bust their guns.

Mobb Deep and 112 is not the same as Common's situation. Look, Mobb did that to boost sales. Common is reaching for that,BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TRYING TO EDUCATE THESE KIDS THAT ARE BRAINWASHED into buying this commercial crunk/gangsta/degrading ****. By reaching out to neptunes/kanye, he has a better chance at reaching these kids that think it's ok to shake it like a dog and bust their guns.

EXACTLY GodzHand...exactly

What do you anal-assaulted, hiv-infected, daily masturbating necrophiliacs know about Big Pun?

What do you anal-assaulted, hiv-infected, daily masturbating necrophiliacs know about Big Pun?


dead in the middle of little italy little did we know we riddled some middleman who didnt do diddly.

dead in the middle of little italy little did we know we riddled some middleman who didnt do diddly.

Yeah and we don't stop...Big Pun keeps the guns ****ed :D

boxingscene.com is a great site with alot of great friends.

If it wasn't for Pun, Obese Joseph would have never been anything.
you have it the wrong way around, joe brought up pun.....

YO, FIX!?

WHY YOU QUOTING FAKE **** I DIDN'T EVEN POST!?



I'm self-concious

YO, FIX!?

WHY YOU QUOTING FAKE **** I DIDN'T EVEN POST!?



I'm self-concious


LOL, nice edit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YO, FIX!?

WHY YOU QUOTING FAKE **** I DIDN'T EVEN POST!?



I'm self-concious
lol...iam sorry i didnt mean to, ill never do it again

What ever happened to Guerilla Black? He was like the next Biggie for a month then he dissapeared.

He's finished.

What ever happened to Guerilla Black? He was like the next Biggie for a month then he dissapeared.
he is a fraud, he has put out an album sounding completely different his alis is big cizzle or some****....

So he goes out sounding the way he does by choice? Meaning he can rap a different way if he chooses to?

I bet he's not even naturally a big guy. I bet he gained weight on purpose just to have that heavy breathing + fat boy voice the G.O.A.T had.

So he goes out sounding the way he does by choice? Meaning he can rap a different way if he chooses to?

I bet he's not even naturally a big guy. I bet he gained weight on purpose just to have that heavy breathing + fat boy voice the G.O.A.T had.
it isnt a "fat" person voice, ask shine..... its a nasal deep sounding voice and just cause toney has the same thing thats all coincidence


forreal search for big cizzle or geurilla black on allhiphop.com and they have the story thier

Guerilla Black has been either praised or vilified for his similarities to the late Biggie Smalls, but after a several-years old album was resurrected from his past, many further questioned the Compton rapper’s authenticity.

Under the name Big Cizzle, Black’s Ya Neva Seen It Com’n offers a very different sound reminiscent of Mystikal or DMX. The Big Cizzle CD is being released by Bungalo Records and the manufacturer states that it was crafted in 2001. The album is full of songs like “Werk Dem Hips,” “2 Wear'n No Draws,” “Tongue Rings,” and “Dime Piece” that sound very different from the present album, Guerrilla City.

Expressing his frustrations, Guerrilla Black explained the variations in his voice on Ya Neva Seen It Com’n.

“My brother had came from Down South, and I hooked up with my CEO at the time, who was trying to get a lil record label jumping off. Whenever I was rapping to him, my own blood [brother] was like you sound too much, too, too much like B.I.G.,” he told AllHipHop.com in his baritone, nasal voice.

“So what they did was...there is a machine in the studio and it makes your voice sound high pitch. Some cats…they compare it and said, ‘Oh he sounds like Mystikal or whatever,’ and some might say somebody else.”

Black admitted he’s become somewhat accustomed to comparisons to other rappers.

“People see a really big Black dude, and then I got a heavy voice, and at the end of the day all they do is just compare, but that’s just a natural thing,” he explained the feedback from critics. “’Like yeah, oh you sound like Scarface. Oh damn, he look just like E-40, damn he kinda remind me of old school C.P.O. [group affiliated with NWA]. Oh you kind of look like Chubb Rock. Even the Notorious B.I.G.”

“I guess at the end of the day, whenever you having any success haters do come into play, or whatever man,” he said.

Guerrilla Black's official release, Guerrilla City, is in stores with features by producer Jazze Pha, Nate Dogg, Beenie Man and Mario Winans.

I was so disgusted after I read that stuff that some vomit actually came up and almost out of my mouth, but I was luckily able to swallow it back down....

...that's just disgusting stuff man. I'm going to bed. I need to sleep that nasty stuff off and get it out of my mind.

it isnt a "fat" person voice, ask shine..... its a nasal deep sounding voice and just cause toney has the same thing thats all coincidence


forreal search for big cizzle or geurilla black on allhiphop.com and they have the story thier


Did you see that ahh gave shout outs to B-Hop for getting robbed? **** was hilarious.

And yeah I was about to say, Joey Crack was around for a minute before Pun. He was already doing **** with ditc before...

Did you see that ahh gave shout outs to B-Hop for getting robbed? **** was hilarious.

And yeah I was about to say, Joey Crack was around for a minute before Pun. He was already doing **** with ditc before...
yeah i seen that, b-hop wasnt robbed thoug. it was just close


and joe found pun and **** then they started ts

GodzHand is the mother****ing man!!

He just got me:
God's Son
Stillmatic
Streets Disciple


Still looking for
Lost Tapes
God's Stepson

GodzHand is the mother****ing man!!

He just got me:
God's Son
Stillmatic
Streets Disciple


Still looking for
Lost Tapes
God's Stepson

I can get both those albums within a day or 2, so if no one gets back to you, hit me up. I'll have them in 2 days.

I can get both those albums within a day or 2, so if no one gets back to you, hit me up. I'll have them in 2 days.


Will do


Only 50 million each though cause today Ive spent about 800 Million on stuff.

Will do


Only 50 million each though cause today Ive spent about 800 Million on stuff.


sounds good to me.

I was confused when Fat Joe says Big Pun looked up to him. I thought it was the other way around.

I remember a lot of people in '97 were hating on Puffy for always mentioning Biggie. Why isnt there that hate when Joe mentions Pun?
Did you see that ahh gave shout outs to B-Hop for getting robbed? **** was hilarious.

And yeah I was about to say, Joey Crack was around for a minute before Pun. He was already doing **** with ditc before...

What? You have to be kidding...
he is a fraud, he has put out an album sounding completely different his alis is big cizzle or some****....

What? You have to be kidding... See I gave Guerrilla the benefit of the doubt cause they were saying the same thing about Shyne. And now listening to Shyne and Biggie, they dont sound anything alike.
he is a fraud, he has put out an album sounding completely different his alis is big cizzle or some****....

I got a question. What beat do you guys think is the best on the Black Album. I think with all the big name producers, Neptunes, Timbaland, Just Blaze, DJ Quick, Kanye (the second Kanye song is probably the worst beat I've heard from him) Eminem, etc... my favorite track goes to down to Allure by Neptunes OR Threats produced by 9th Wonder. Just Blaze said 9th Wonder did that beat on a plain computer like we have. No fancy equipment. He lifted that beat though from R Kelly's woman's threat.

Also, just blaze's interlude/public service announcement is tight too.

I got a question. What beat do you guys think is the best on the Black Album. I think with all the big name producers, Neptunes, Timbaland, Just Blaze, DJ Quick, Eminem, etc... my favorite track goes to down to Allure by Neptunes OR Threats produced by 9th Wonder. Just Blaze said 9th Wonder did that beat on a plain computer like we have. No fancy equipment. He lifted that beat though from R Kelly's woman's thread.



Best beat on that album is Aqua's My First Song hands down. **** was fire for real. That guitar loop is crazy.

Whose aqua?
Best beat on that album is Aqua's My First Song hands down. **** was fire for real. That guitar loop is crazy.

best beats on that album go to 9th and aqua
the public service announcement beat is hot, but its from a blackmoon track. speaking of which, anyone heard the new album that 9th and buckshot did? its called chemistry; i havent heard any of it, but i loved black moon and bcc, and 9th has some of the best production out right now, so its got potential id think.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/duckdownrecords_music.htm

Found a link to a couple tracks from the album and some other duck down records stuff.

best beats on that album go to 9th and aqua
the public service announcement beat is hot, but its from a blackmoon track. speaking of which, anyone heard the new album that 9th and buckshot did? its called chemistry; i havent heard any of it, but i loved black moon and bcc, and 9th has some of the best production out right now, so its got potential id think.


I just got Chemistry today. Seriously dope. Could have been a classic if 9th was more versatile and if there were a couple fewer guest shots. Other than that, It's fan ****ing tastic.

what blackmoon track?
best beats on that album go to 9th and aqua
the public service announcement beat is hot, but its from a blackmoon track. speaking of which, anyone heard the new album that 9th and buckshot did? its called chemistry; i havent heard any of it, but i loved black moon and bcc, and 9th has some of the best production out right now, so its got potential id think.

Yeah he does all that on a regular computer, very good.

What other songs has 9th done?
I just got Chemistry today. Seriously dope. Could have been a classic if 9th was more versatile and if there were a couple fewer guest shots. Other than that, It's fan ****ing tastic.

Yeah he does all that on a regular computer, very good.

What other songs has 9th done?


9th is in a group called Little Brother, he produces for them.

Ummm, Im bored. Just wondering who everybody thinks is the most underrated/overrated rapper/s and producer/s?

I would have to go with TI. He had the most annoying song "Bring Em Out" and his lyrics arent great. He sold over a million copies however. I would add Lil Flip to this but his lyrics are on point (sometimes).

Other overrateds, Obie Trice. Sorry, the guy has no charisma/lyrical ability and his first album went platinum unfortunately.

Underrated: Camron and the Diplomats. Daz. Heatmakers (diplomat producers). The Diplomats are my fave group. I know it seems like you either love them or hate them but I like the beats/songs they sample and Camron's always mixing it up. Santana shocked me by taking the song from the movie Roots for Mic Check 1,2 and it worked! I would probably lose interest in rap if it wasnt for them.

Theyre the only mixtapes I buy with the diplomats. Camron sampled Diamonds and Pearls from Prince and We Built this City an 80s rock song and it worked!
9th is in a group called Little Brother, he produces for them.

personally, i think dipset is garbage. camron has fallen off, and all they do is rhyme about *****es,blunts and coke. Camron is decent. Overrated:50 Cent,Ja Rule,Lil Jon,T.I.,Ying Yang Twins(worst name/group ever),guerilla black,crunk music in general.

Underrated:Buckshot,Canibus,Swollen Members,Chino XL,MF DOOM,Masta Ace,Gangstarr,Devin The Dude,Murs,Immortal Technique......

Like licorice and celantro you either love it or hate the it (diplomats).

I give 50 some credit cause like he said about Jadakiss (underrated) is that his lyrics are good, but he cant write a hook. Always has a singer (Mariah, Anthony Hamilton, Pharell) to help him.

Ja Rule = garbage.
Ying Yang are jokes, I dont even consider that rap. Guerrilla black should be shot since I found out that hes biting biggie.
personally, i think dipset is garbage. camron has fallen off, and all they do is rhyme about *****es,blunts and coke. Camron is decent. Overrated:50 Cent,Ja Rule,Lil Jon,T.I.,Ying Yang Twins(worst name/group ever),guerilla black,crunk music in general.

Underrated:Buckshot,Canibus,Swollen Members,Chino XL,MF DOOM,Masta Ace,Gangstarr,Devin The Dude,Murs,Immortal Technique......

New AZ video

The Come up, produced by the one and only Primo(DJ Premier)

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/kochent/az/thecomeuphi.wvx

personally, i think dipset is garbage. camron has fallen off, and all they do is rhyme about *****es,blunts and coke. Camron is decent. Overrated:50 Cent,Ja Rule,Lil Jon,T.I.,Ying Yang Twins(worst name/group ever),guerilla black,crunk music in general.

Underrated:Buckshot,Canibus,Swollen Members,Chino XL,MF DOOM,Masta Ace,Gangstarr,Devin The Dude,Murs,Immortal Technique......


I agree with nash on dipset movement. It's love hate...and while I really like Cam cause I find him hilarious, I could give two ****s about Jones, Freaky, Rell, etc. Heatmakerz lay down smooth beats...even though they are ALL samples from old soul tracks. I don't mind sampling though so yeah.

JR Writer is alright.

I've never really gotten down on Swollen Members or Immortal Technique. I've tried giving their music a listen and I just don't feel it. Bad Dreams was alright and Balance was very average IMO.

In my personal opinion the best artists in the game right now are Devin The Dude, Talib Kweli, AZ, One Be Lo, Scarface and Jean Grey. They all bring something different to the table and come correct on everything they do.

I agree with nash on dipset movement. It's love hate...and while I really like Cam cause I find him hilarious, I could give two ****s about Jones, Freaky, Rell, etc. Heatmakerz lay down smooth beats...even though they are ALL samples from old soul tracks. I don't mind sampling though so yeah.

JR Writer is alright.

I've never really gotten down on Swollen Members or Immortal Technique. I've tried giving their music a listen and I just don't feel it. Bad Dreams was alright and Balance was very average IMO.

In my personal opinion the best artists in the game right now are Devin The Dude, Talib Kweli, AZ, One Be Lo, Scarface and Jean Grey. They all bring something different to the table and come correct on everything they do.


AZ's next album is going to blow **** out the water. I ****ing love that guy. Listening to "Problems" as I type this.

DJ Premier and AZ both WAYYY underrated.

Maybe AZ isnt too charismatic. But neither is Nas and he has had commercial success.

Seems like DJ Premier drops every once in a while.
New AZ video

The Come up, produced by the one and only Primo(DJ Premier)

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/kochent/az/thecomeuphi.wvx

mnash, the track is "stay real" i even found a link for the video: http://www.nobodysmiling.com/hiphop/showvideo.php?path=blackmoon_stayreal_

ill probably go cop the chemistry album sometime this week.

what do yall think of ras kass, i hear hes a got a new album in production. i really liked soul on ice and the golden state **** he did with xzibit and scipio. if his new album has the right production, i think its gonna be a classic.

mnash, the track is "stay real" i even found a link for the video: http://www.nobodysmiling.com/hiphop/showvideo.php?path=blackmoon_stayreal_

ill probably go cop the chemistry album sometime this week.

what do yall think of ras kass, i hear hes a got a new album in production. i really liked soul on ice and the golden state **** he did with xzibit and scipio. if his new album has the right production, i think its gonna be a classic.


As long as Ras Kass doesnt have 25 guest artists on his album, as in up and comers he wants to put on, yes, he can put out another classic.

Damn, just blaze ripped that.

Thanks a lot for sending me that link.

Im losing more and more respect for Just Blaze. I read an interview where he was talking about how he "created" the best beat on the black album. he didnt create anything. seems like blaze made the beat more amped.

can someone tell me what beat just blaze took for diamonds and mac10s by shyne? sounds like japanese anime. thanks.
mnash, the track is "stay real" i even found a link for the video: http://www.nobodysmiling.com/hiphop/showvideo.php?path=blackmoon_stayreal_

ill probably go cop the chemistry album sometime this week.

what do yall think of ras kass, i hear hes a got a new album in production. i really liked soul on ice and the golden state **** he did with xzibit and scipio. if his new album has the right production, i think its gonna be a classic.

personally, i think dipset is garbage. camron has fallen off, and all they do is rhyme about *****es,blunts and coke. Camron is decent. Overrated:50 Cent,Ja Rule,Lil Jon,T.I.,Ying Yang Twins(worst name/group ever),guerilla black,crunk music in general.

Underrated:Buckshot,Canibus,Swollen Members,Chino XL,MF DOOM,Masta Ace,Gangstarr,Devin The Dude,Murs,Immortal Technique......
i agree with aeverything but imo swollen members are straight up garbage

just got chemistry ill up it for anyone who wants it( in niels lounge)

I wish the Baja Men would put out another disc.

I wish the Baja Men would put out another disc.
you kidding Right.. Baja Men Suck ass

just got chemistry ill up it for anyone who wants it( in niels lounge)



Dope album, i just bought it yesterday. It could have done without 9th's friends on it though. I am not a fan of Little Brother. And that chick that they have on a couple of the songs is not very impressive either.

just got chemistry ill up it for anyone who wants it( in niels lounge)
damn, Fix where you been - we had that up weeks ago in there! lol

Any of you heard of this new hip hop card game playas and haters?
http://broodmoor.com It's insane.

damn, Fix where you been - we had that up weeks ago in there! lol
lol i must have missed it :D

i need to check in more often :o

Dope album, i just bought it yesterday. It could have done without 9th's friends on it though. I am not a fan of Little Brother. And that chick that they have on a couple of the songs is not very impressive either.
oh i like little brother so i dont mind them guest spots

Does anyone think DMX's new album will be any good?

For real he needs to stop making music. His last decent album Flesh of My Flesh.
Does anyone think DMX's new album will be any good?

Does anyone think DMX's new album will be any good?


No, he fell the **** off after "....And Then There Was X"

No, he fell the **** off after "....And Then There Was X"

I will probably check it out but I agree "And the there was X" was his last real good album.

I will probably check it out but I agree "And the there was X" was his last real good album.


Man, after "It's dark and hell is hot" i wouldnt shut up talking about DMX, Flesh was dope too, but after And Then There was X, he just fell off. Crack kills.

Man, after "It's dark and hell is hot" i wouldnt shut up talking about DMX, Flesh was dope too, but after And Then There was X, he just fell off. Crack kills.

Yeah ****ed up, read the new interview on www.allhiphop.com. I think he might be boarder line crazy... :crazy: :Flush: :D

I've heard a fair amount of his new **** and it's garbage. He's really trying too hard now and his voice ain't fittin over the tracks I've heard him on.

His last album he had a song called Get It on the Floor. One of the worst rap songs along with the Wistle while you work by Ying Yang.
I've heard a fair amount of his new **** and it's garbage. He's really trying too hard now and his voice ain't fittin over the tracks I've heard him on.

dmx fell of when he hit the pipe, he was on top for a while but now his brain dont function....

he needs to get back to songs like slippin'

dmx fell of when he hit the pipe, he was on top for a while but now his brain dont function....

he needs to get back to songs like slippin'


No kidding, he needs A.Better producers and B.Dedication to the art of music. "It's Dark...." is classic, Flesh is a banger, and Then Ther was X is extremely solid. He was my favorite MC up until The Great Depression came out. Sad,and steep fall for the crack man X, I mean Dark Man X.

No kidding, he needs A.Better producers and B.Dedication to the art of music. "It's Dark...." is classic, Flesh is a banger, and Then Ther was X is extremely solid. He was my favorite MC up until The Great Depression came out. Sad,and steep fall for the crack man X, I mean Dark Man X.

i honestly dont think he will be the same as he was before, crack really ****s you up.... i think his lyrics will never be the same cause of it and its a shame cause ive heard that he was never paid what he deserved for all them records he sold and thats the reason he quit music and took up crack full time( well maybe not full time cause he still managed to pose as a security gaurd at an airport and take people hostage or somethin)

i honestly dont think he will be the same as he was before, crack really ****s you up.... i think his lyrics will never be the same cause of it and its a shame cause ive heard that he was never paid what he deserved for all them records he sold and thats the reason he quit music and took up crack full time( well maybe not full time cause he still managed to pose as a security gaurd at an airport and take people hostage or somethin)


I know man, sux. I remember the day I bought his first album, it was at Target, I put it in my discman on the way home, I got chills when that **** started "One Two,One Two come through, run through......" ****. ****in' drugs man, damn shame. My former best friend is a crack head now, he'll never be the same either. :(

Yeah I heard crack makes you real paranoid and if you read any of Xs interviews lately, hes extremely paranoid.

M.F. DOOM-Operation DOOMsday. CLASSIC hip hop album, one of the greatest hip hop albums ever conceived.It's out of print, had to pay 70 bucks for a brand new copy, well worth it too. Enjoy. Karma is appreciated :)

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3IB9QML89TSMT0XCNXIYBV4NHX

Definitely a hot album. you heard any of dangerdoom yet?

Definitely a hot album. you heard any of dangerdoom yet?


I've heard "Mince Meat" and "Sofa King" from the dangerdoom album, should be some dope ****

yea i heard the same tracks. i liked sofa king, its one of those real mellow songs you can just chill listening to.

yea i heard the same tracks. i liked sofa king, its one of those real mellow songs you can just chill listening to.


DOOM is sick on the mic.

DOOM is sick on the mic.
props for the album

ill attempt giving you karma but it prob wont let me

Jose would like to know if anyone could get the following two albums.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5503/systemofadown1sr.jpg
System Of A down- Mezmerize

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/849/cellycell1vc.jpg

Celly-Cel- Killa Kali

Yes I know System Of a Down is not Hip-Hop and guess what? I dont give a ****.

Jose would like to know if anyone could get the following two albums.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5503/systemofadown1sr.jpg
System Of A down- Mezmerize

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/849/cellycell1vc.jpg

Celly-Cel- Killa Kali

Yes I know System Of a Down is not Hip-Hop and guess what? I dont give a ****.


give me 2 days bro.God'z Hand the music junkie is in full effect, did you download that MF DOOM album i posted here? Classic.

give me 2 days bro.God'z Hand the music junkie is in full effect, did you download that MF DOOM album i posted here? Classic.


Its at 88% right now.

thanks

Its at 88% right now.

thanks

"the super mutha****in villian grips the mic with an iron hand/throwin mc's to the fire from out the fryin pan". Next week when I FINALLY get a day off, i'll post a zip folder of the Best of MF DOOM. Lyrically, superb.

damn nas is the ****, he is killin 50 and mobb deep


ill up it in a short few

okay its not a great diss but atleast he is responding....

i hyped up the diss in that post ^^^^^ but whatever



http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0C3AM0UQ400CE1VR15NBDYLGMU

okay its not a great diss but atleast he is responding....

i hyped up the diss in that post ^^^^^ but whatever



http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0C3AM0UQ400CE1VR15NBDYLGMU


I don't think I've ever seen an MC fall off as hard as Prodigy, I think that sickle cell is finally catching up to him :(

I don't think I've ever seen an MC fall off as hard as Prodigy, I think that sickle cell is finally catching up to him :(
i know its almost weird how he fell off so hard, like griffey jr of rap.....

Anyone have a CD quality, non mixtape,non dj version of Busta Rhymes f/P.Diddy-Pass the couvoisier remix?

damn nas is the ****, he is killin 50 and mobb deep


ill up it in a short few


Nas is a ****ing GOD.

I just got all that Nas **** and its amazing. I swear he'll go down as the greatest off all time when its said and done.

Nas is a ****ing GOD.

I just got all that Nas **** and its amazing. I swear he'll go down as the greatest off all time when its said and done.


Yo, Jose. You gonna hook me up for sending that Slipnot album?

Yo, Jose. You gonna hook me up for sending that Slipnot album?

System Of A Down(****ing awsome by the way)

Have I ever not hooked you up? Hell i just got here I had to go do some ****.

Relax

lol, sorry, ive been drinking

Pastor Troy DSGB

I'm going to post a "Best Of The Neptunes production" folder in a few...............

The Best of The Neptunes

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3BBPEFBS5CMU7086OYD57YGSC7

Karma is appreciated:)

AZ>Nas....

Nas is a ****ing GOD.

I just got all that Nas **** and its amazing. I swear he'll go down as the greatest off all time when its said and done.
too inconsistent for me, imo if the black code,( or it could also be named the product)scarface's next album, is as good as the fix or the diary he will be the g.o.a.t imo.

scarface may have the greatest collection of albums in raps history and imo his next one could put him over the top

mr.scarface is back
the world is yours
the diary
the untouchable
my homies
last of a dying breed
the fix

not to mention his work with the geto boys on
we cant be stopped and grip it on that other level

ATTENTION! I am minutes, maybe hours away from possessing the Dangerdoom album. I will post it when I get it. karma and points are appreciated, this took some WORK!

I'd rate face in my top 15 or so...right around Kool G Rap and Pharoahe Monch.

Nas is clearly past all that horrible **** he did when he was younger. He's the type of guy who can have a career go 20 yaers because he's deep and has something to say unlike so many.

I'd rate face in my top 15 or so...right around Kool G Rap and Pharoahe Monch.
i could understand putting him by kool g rap but monch only put out like one album and imo it was pretty good like a 4 or 4.5/ 5 but it wasnt really a classic, i dont understand putting him that high on your list off one album.

put face against any of the top rappers of all time, album for album and i cant see anyone who has put out more quality work then him. ok maybe krs-one but thats it.....

my new rap p4p all time list

1. rakim
2. krs-one
3. big daddy kane
4. scarface
5. nas / jigga

Nas is clearly past all that horrible **** he did when he was younger. He's the type of guy who can have a career go 20 yaers because he's deep and has something to say unlike so many.
i hope he ends 50's career


btw he did illmatic when he was younger and imo it is far and away his best album yet

i could understand putting him by kool g rap but monch only put out like one album and imo it was pretty good like a 4 or 4.5/ 5 but it wasnt really a classic, i dont understand putting him that high on your list off one album.

put face against any of the top rappers of all time, album for album and i cant see anyone who has put out more quality work then him. ok maybe krs-one but thats it.....

my new rap p4p all time list

1. rakim
2. krs-one
3. big daddy kane
4. scarface
5. nas / jigga


thats a good list.mine is:

1.Rakim
2.KRS-ONE
3.Slick Rick
4.Scarface
5.Nas/LL Cool J

p4p top 5

1. LL Cool J( Thats ****ing right I said it)
2. KRS-One
3. Tupac
4. Rakim
5. Scarface

i could understand putting him by kool g rap but monch only put out like one album and imo it was pretty good like a 4 or 4.5/ 5 but it wasnt really a classic, i dont understand putting him that high on your list off one album.

put face against any of the top rappers of all time, album for album and i cant see anyone who has put out more quality work then him. ok maybe krs-one but thats it.....

my new rap p4p all time list

1. rakim
2. krs-one
3. big daddy kane
4. scarface
5. nas / jigga


Monch had Internal Affairs which was a classic IMO. He also did some of his best work with Prince Po and Organized Konfusion. They put out two classics and another near classic. That self titled album is a must have

Monch is the best/strongest lyricist I've ever heard.

Monch had Internal Affairs which was a classic IMO. He also did some of his best work with Prince Po and Organized Konfusion. They put out two classics and another near classic. That self titled album is a must have

Monch is the best/strongest lyricist I've ever heard.
yeah i forgot about some of the other **** he did but still imo he doesnt deserve top 15, however its all opinion :cool:

yeah i forgot about some of the other **** he did but still imo he doesnt deserve top 15, however its all opinion :cool:


I've done a lot of reading and listening forming my opinions. Kool Moe Dee's book gave me a different view of things (have you ever read that?)

I actually evaluate artists on a scale like the one he used. I also have been influenced by magazines and online articles and ****. Then theres just my own damned opinion. :D

I've done a lot of reading and listening forming my opinions. Kool Moe Dee's book gave me a different view of things (have you ever read that?)

I actually evaluate artists on a scale like the one he used. I also have been influenced by magazines and online articles and ****. Then theres just my own damned opinion. :D
never knew he put one out,ill look for it for sure.


do you remember the scale he used?

never knew he put one out,ill look for it for sure.


do you remember the scale he used?


It's very very good.

Book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560255331/tradermike-20/103-5523811-9035063)

Something like:

Vocabulary
Lyricism
Storytelling
Longevity
Freestyling
Social Impact
Body of Work

and a LOT more. There are like 17 different categories and all have good explanations.

It's very very good.

Book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560255331/tradermike-20/103-5523811-9035063)

Something like:

Vocabulary
Lyricism
Storytelling
Longevity
Freestyling
Social Impact
Body of Work

and a LOT more. There are like 17 different categories and all have good explanations.

props for this iam gonna see if i can grab that tommorow, iam also gonna buy that new king magazine damn free is so hot :D

btw where is face on that list? did he make it? after reading some of the reviews he left ghost off so anything is possible

btw where is face on that list? did he make it? after reading some of the reviews he left ghost off so anything is possible


I think Face is top 20. I can't remember because I haven't read the book in awhile and it's probably sitting in storage right now.

106 and park's FREE, damn i want to marry her....
**** some people dont think she is that hot but when she shook her ass on that one episode my jaw dropped


anyway: http://thefilebucket.com/userfiles/PeeP/ec4_Free2.jpg

copy and paste, this is jacked from allhiphop but w/e she is too hot

It's very very good.

Book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560255331/tradermike-20/103-5523811-9035063)

Something like:

Vocabulary
Lyricism
Storytelling
Longevity
Freestyling
Social Impact
Body of Work

and a LOT more. There are like 17 different categories and all have good explanations.


What's Moe Dee's top ten?

What's Moe Dee's top ten?
id like to know the same thing...........gringo dont leave me hangin :D

What's Moe Dee's top ten?


I have that memorized I think...

1. Melle Mel
2. Rakim
3. KRS-One
4. Big Daddy Kane
5. Himself or Grandmaster Caz (can't remember)
6. Himself or Grandmaster Caz
7. LL Cool J
8. Chuck D
9. Notorious BIG
10. Lauren Hill (most controversial pick but he DEFINITELY backs up his reasoning)

What I don't agree with is Hill at 10 and Kool G Rap not in there (I think he's 11 or something)

I have that memorized I think...

1. Melle Mel
2. Rakim
3. KRS-One
4. Big Daddy Kane
5. Himself or Grandmaster Caz (can't remember)
6. Himself or Grandmaster Caz
7. LL Cool J
8. Chuck D
9. Notorious BIG
10. Lauren Hill (most controversial pick but he DEFINITELY backs up his reasoning)

What I don't agree with is Hill at 10 and Kool G Rap not in there (I think he's 11 or something)
where is face at?

I have that memorized I think...

1. Melle Mel
2. Rakim
3. KRS-One
4. Big Daddy Kane
5. Himself or Grandmaster Caz (can't remember)
6. Himself or Grandmaster Caz
7. LL Cool J
8. Chuck D
9. Notorious BIG
10. Lauren Hill (most controversial pick but he DEFINITELY backs up his reasoning)

What I don't agree with is Hill at 10 and Kool G Rap not in there (I think he's 11 or something)


LOL@himself being in the top 5. I've always dug his ****, but top 5? no, top ten? no.

I think Face is top 20. I can't remember because I haven't read the book in awhile and it's probably sitting in storage right now.
oh ok thats respectable props og

Godz, it's all opinion of course...but he can actually back his ranking at number 5 up...with a lot of legit reasoning. Do you think that in a day or two time you could refute WHY exactly he shouldn't be in there? I'm not asking you to do this, but I'm just asking if you think you could justify why he shouldn't be there. What do you think about the top ten otherwise.

Fix, what do you think about the top ten otherwise?

Godz, it's all opinion of course...but he can actually back his ranking at number 5 up...with a lot of legit reasoning. Do you think that in a day or two time you could refute WHY exactly he shouldn't be in there? I'm not asking you to do this, but I'm just asking if you think you could justify why he shouldn't be there. What do you think about the top ten otherwise.

Fix, what do you think about the top ten otherwise?


Yes I do, and I'm going to pick that book up as well. I'm familiar with his most of his material, and I believe his ****iness is what made him place himself in the top ten. I'm gonna buy the book this weekend.

Yes I do, and I'm going to pick that book up as well. I'm familiar with his most of his material, and I believe his ****iness is what made him place himself in the top ten. I'm gonna buy the book this weekend.


He believes that himself, Mel, and Caz (Furious Three) really got hip hop moving. He also speaks of rap trinities. Those three being the first trinity of rap, Rakim, KRS, Kane being the second....Big, Jay, and Common being the third.

Very interesting stuff.

I'm gonna buy it off amazon, it's only 6 dollars brand new. I'll look foward to reading it.

Godz, it's all opinion of course...but he can actually back his ranking at number 5 up...with a lot of legit reasoning. Do you think that in a day or two time you could refute WHY exactly he shouldn't be in there? I'm not asking you to do this, but I'm just asking if you think you could justify why he shouldn't be there. What do you think about the top ten otherwise.

Fix, what do you think about the top ten otherwise?
i think its alright but i have a few comments
1. Melle Mel.... why so high? i mean every mc below has better lyrics imo
2. Rakim....imo the goat
3. KRS-One......good choice
4. Big Daddy Kane......good choice
5. Himself or Grandmaster Caz (can't remember)....lacks longevity and didnt have near the impact as say a tupac.
6. Himself or Grandmaster Caz..... i think putting himself this high is kind of a strech, no one in thier right mind would have him ahead of nasir jones
7. LL Cool J....another good choice
8. Chuck D.....good choice again
9. Notorious BIG....only two albums while he was alive, he did have the potential to be here but not enough material to be ahead of a guy like ice cube
10. Lauren Hill... i dont really agree but i dont disagree either, she is ill when she is on the mic but can anyone seriously consider her better than kool g rap, nas, scarface, tupac, atcq, gza, ghostface, redman, or even eminem

I consider Lauryn Hill better than Redman, Gza and Ghostface any day of the week.
i think its alright but i have a few comments
1. Melle Mel.... why so high? i mean every mc below has better lyrics imo
2. Rakim....imo the goat
3. KRS-One......good choice
4. Big Daddy Kane......good choice
5. Himself or Grandmaster Caz (can't remember)....lacks longevity and didnt have near the impact as say a tupac.
6. Himself or Grandmaster Caz..... i think putting himself this high is kind of a strech, no one in thier right mind would have him ahead of nasir jones
7. LL Cool J....another good choice
8. Chuck D.....good choice again
9. Notorious BIG....only two albums while he was alive, he did have the potential to be here but not enough material to be ahead of a guy like ice cube
10. Lauren Hill... i dont really agree but i dont disagree either, she is ill when she is on the mic but can anyone seriously consider her better than kool g rap, nas, scarface, tupac, atcq, gza, ghostface, redman, or even eminem

I consider Lauryn Hill better than Redman, Gza and Ghostface any day of the week.


Despite the fact that Gza put out one of the top ten greatest hip hop albums of all time in Liquid Swords?

AZ Interview (http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1136)


Great interview with AZ. Speaks on A.W.O.L, Nas, his independency, and past projects.

AZ Interview (http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1136)


Great interview with AZ. Speaks on A.W.O.L, Nas, his independency, and past projects.


That is a good interview. I'll post the promo sampler for A.W.O.L. when I get back from my date tonight. Thats RIGHT. God'z Hand's got a date! :D A.W.O.L. may be a classic from what i've heard so far. at www.allhiphop.com there also a good interview with Cage on there. His new album is gonna be the ****!

I consider Lauryn Hill better than Redman, Gza and Ghostface any day of the week.
i didnt think it was possible

just for their work alone with the wu id put them ahead of lauryn, they are revolutionary.


album for album ghost and gza are extremely impressive


redmans early stuff imo is head and shoulders above hill

somebody put up some Mike Jones. That guy rules!

Despite the fact that Gza put out one of the top ten greatest hip hop albums of all time in Liquid Swords?

Hell yeah. Gza put out a classic with that one but he always puts out great albums in my opinion.


Scarface deserves to be in the top 10 at least. That man has never spit a wack verse and his music can be felt no matter where you are.

somebody put up some Mike Jones. That guy rules!

That fool makes Houston look bad.

If I was Mike Jones, I'd kill myself.

Man Mike Jones had a lot of momentum off the still tippin and just killed it with that gimmicky song who is mike jones. argh.

totally respect them though... helping put houston on the rap map with their own music, own production, etc.
If I was Mike Jones, I'd kill myself.

You cant compare their career and accomplishments to Lauryn Hills or Wyclef's in my opinion. Hill and Clef have accomplished a lot and will continue to. Gza and the whole Wu are dead (RIP ODB). If they came back tomorrow itd be like so?

Clef and Lauryn's appearance at the BET awards last month sparked interests in a fugees reunion.
Despite the fact that Gza put out one of the top ten greatest hip hop albums of all time in Liquid Swords?

You cant compare their career and accomplishments to Lauryn Hills or Wyclef's in my opinion. Hill and Clef have accomplished a lot and will continue to. Gza and the whole Wu are dead (RIP ODB). If they came back tomorrow itd be like so?

Clef and Lauryn's appearance at the BET awards last month sparked interests in a fugees reunion.


Are you serious? You're saying that "The Score" and "Miseducation of Lauryn Hill", which are the only fugee albums worth discussing, are better than the WU catalog. Your ****ing talking Liquid Swords(one of the top ten hip hop albums ever)Only Built 4 Cuban Linx(one of the top 5 hip hop albums ever),Iron Man,Tical,Enter The 36 Chambers,Wu-Tang Forever.........seriously man, cmon. Gza>Clef+Lauryn.



Artist: The Genius/GZA
Album: Liquid Swords
Song: Liquid Swords
Typed by: OHHLA Webmaster DJ Flash

Fake *****z get flipped
In mic fights I swing swords and cut clown
**** is too swift to bite you record and write it down
I flow like the blood on a murder scene, like a syringe
on some wild out ****, to insert a fiend
But it was yo out the shop stolen art
Catch a swollen heart from not rollin smart
I put mad pressure, on phony wack rhymes that get hurt
****'s played, like zodiac signs on sweatshirt
That's minimum, and feminine like sandals
My minimum table stacks a verse on a gamble
Energy is felt once the cards are dealt
With the impact of roundhouse kicks from black belts
that attack, the mic-fones like cyclones or typhoon
I represent from midnight to high noon
I don't waste ink, ***** I think
I drop megaton BOMBS more faster than you blink
Cause rhyme thoughts travel at a tremendous speed
Clouds of smoke, of natural blends of weed
Only under one circumstance is if I'm blunted
Turn that **** up, my "Clan in Da Front" want it


I'm on a Mission, that *****z say is Impossible
But when I swing my swords they all choppable
I be the body dropper, the heartbeat stopper
Child educator, plus head amputator
Cause *****z styles are old like Mark 5 sneakers
Lyrics are weak, like clock radio speakers
Don't even stop in my station and attack
while your plan failed, hit the rail, like Amtrak
What the **** for? Down by low, I make law
I be justice, I sentence that ass two to four
round the clock, that state pen time check it
With the pens I be stickin but you can't stick to crime
Came through with the Wu, slid off on the DL
I'm low-key like seashells, I rock these bells
(when the MC's..) Now come aboard, it's Medina bound
Enter the chamber, and it's a whole different sound
It's a wide entrance, small exit like a funnel
So deep it's picked up on radios in tunnels
*****z are fascinated how the **** begin
Get vaccinated, my logo is branded in your skin

Wu NEVER did it for me. NEVER. I liked maybe one song by them, EVER. Method man, Redman, Ghostface Killer, just dont do it for me and Ive never understood the hype. Always thought it was a New York thing.

I think there's a reason I cant tell whether Redman, Method Man, Ghostface is retired? I dont think too many people are feeling their music anymore. Maybe just old school Wu fans.

I like the Neptunes a lot... but I think for some reason the songs they did with ODB under his various aliases have all been annoying. Those "comedy rap songs" by ODB, Black Eyed Peas, Eminem ("Ass like that" for example) just dont do it for me.

Cuban Linx album is classic, I agree. But still not my cup of tea.

Are you serious? You're saying that "The Score" and "Miseducation of Lauryn Hill", which are the only fugee albums worth discussing, are better than the WU catalog. Your ****ing talking Liquid Swords(one of the top ten hip hop albums ever)Only Built 4 Cuban Linx(one of the top 5 hip hop albums ever),Iron Man,Tical,Enter The 36 Chambers,Wu-Tang Forever.........seriously man, cmon. Gza>Clef+Lauryn.

Redman's not in Wu. Which means, unfortunately, you havent given enough time to learning their music. You should, they've dropped classics, but one man's treasure is another man's trash.

No, I know Redmans not in Wu. He might as well be, look at his music and partnerships with Method. Its all the same crap to me. I view Redman's and ODB's **** as trying to be poppish rap in the worst way. The comedy rap that ODB and Redman did was just garbage that was attempting to be radio friendly... Got your money by ODB and RedMans Ill be that. Just dont like Wu's music.
Redman's not in Wu. Which means, unfortunately, you havent given enough time to learning their music. You should, they've dropped classics, but one man's treasure is another man's trash.

Immortal Technique is rhe ****

Redman doesnt try to be radiofriendly. he makes funky music, some of it happens to be catchy. None of his albums are "commercialized" and most of them are critically acclaimed as classics. i do however disagree with red and meth trying to act and doing deodorant commercials though.

red and meth are trying to be commercialized in the worst way. i guess they figure like mos def and eve is that when their rap careers arent too hot, go to acting. remember meth and red had their own tv show? thats a new low. and they played themselves!
Redman doesnt try to be radiofriendly. he makes funky music, some of it happens to be catchy. None of his albums are "commercialized" and most of them are critically acclaimed as classics. i do however disagree with red and meth trying to act and doing deodorant commercials though.

red and meth are trying to be commercialized in the worst way. i guess they figure like mos def and eve is that when their rap careers arent too hot, go to acting. remember meth and red had their own tv show? thats a new low. and they played themselves!


they did play themselves, but like I said, none of Red's albums are commercialized and all of them are solid as ****. I'm gonna have to make a "best of Redman" folder to go with that common one to make you a believer. Meth however is on my **** list after that Tical:0 The Prequel album. What a steaming pile of **** that disc is. :)

I bought one meth album a long time ago, I think it was one of those Tical albums. Man it blew. I vowed never again to buy Wu.
they did play themselves, but like I said, none of Red's albums are commercialized and all of them are solid as ****. I'm gonna have to make a "best of Redman" folder to go with that common one to make you a believer. Meth however is on my **** list after that Tical:0 The Prequel album. What a steaming pile of **** that disc is. :)

Have you ever heard Liquid Swords, or Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, or Wu-Tang Forever?

Heard of them all... dont think much of them except Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, and like Jadakiss their asses are local (as in New York) only.
Have you ever heard Liquid Swords, or Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, or Wu-Tang Forever?

Wu-Tang are far from local my friend

I think theyre very local.


Wu-Tang i far from local my friend

Wu-Tang are far from local my friend
Let me know when you make that Redman folder...

I think a lot of times we expect these guys to be all artistic and "above" the kind of stuff they have fun doing.

Did you happen to listen to the audio commentary on "Corrupt", Godz Hand? Ice-T is more than fully aware that the movie was ****, and he was having fun with it - he knew the movie would be **** before he even made it.

Surely Redman and Method Man read the "How High" script and knew it was absolutely horrible. But I bet they had a lot of fun and were paid very well.

Redman doesn't record songs for the radio. Only "sell-out" music moment I can think of is the Christina Aguilera song...

I think theyre very local.
How can you be local when you sell millions of copies all over the globe?

well, I'm from Milwaukee, in the midwest, and they are huge here. So if they're huge in the midwest, and they obviously are huge on the east coast, not new york, the East Coast, then they're not very local.Wu-Tang are legends. Meth(before he sold out) with "Tical", Raekwon with "OB4CL", Gza with "Liquid Swords",Ghostface with "Iron Man", and "Supreme Clientele", not to mention "Enter The 36 Chambers"(which REVOLUTIONIZED hip hop) and Wu-Tang Forever(which is one of the, if not THE best double album in hip hop history), that's a pretty strong resume, because all of those albums are considered Classic. Can you name a group with a stronger resume than that?

Thats the thing: they dont sell. And I would say not one of them comes near Jadakiss lyrically.
How can you be local when you sell millions of copies all over the globe?

Thats the thing: they dont sell. And I would say not one of them comes near Jadakiss lyrically.


DONT SELL?!??!?!!!? are you ****ing serious man? Gza owns Jada, but Jada is very nice on the mic. C'mon, it's not about sales man, why are you frontin'?

The guy I responded to mentioned sales.

But let me ask you Godzhand, what was the last hit by ANY Wu-Tang member? Seriously.
DONT SELL?!??!?!!!? are you ****ing serious man? Gza owns Jada, but Jada is very nice on the mic. C'mon, it's not about sales man, why are you frontin'?

Like I said, name a group with a more impressive resume than Wu. I'm not an extremely big fan of theirs, but I recognize skill. Every TRUE Hip Hop fan should thank God for them.

The guy I responded to mentioned sales.

But let me ask you Godzhand, what was the last hit by ANY Wu-Tang member? Seriously.


It's not about "hits", or sales. Ghost just had "Run" off his Pretty Tony album last year. You and I are the only ones debating this right now, and I never said **** about sales.

Wu-Tang got fans all around the world especially in Japan so I don't think local should be the word for them.

I bet the number of Wu-Tang albums and Wu-Tang solo albums that hit platinum is over 10 and probably twice that are platinum or gold

No Neil said something about sales.
It's not about "hits", or sales. Ghost just had "Run" off his Pretty Tony album last year. You and I are the only ones debating this right now, and I never said **** about sales.

If you sell on both coasts, in the Midwest, and overseas, you are not local.

No Neil said something about sales.


check the post above you, im still waiting for you to name a group with a better resume than Wu. Neils is right about at least 10 of their albums being platinum.

Well considering theyre havent been too many good rap groups... Wu joins the other blah groups... Junior Mafia, Outlaws, the Lunatics.

Im going to say since I like Lloyd Banks and Young Buck, that GUnit is better in my opinion. I dont think anyone in Wu has more charisma than Buck nor is anyone as nice on the mic as Banks.

By the way... did anyone see on MTV two weeks ago Ghost Face Killah helping that little Jewish boy rap? Yeah, Ghostface has free time like that. His career is not hot now.
check the post above you, im still waiting for you to name a group with a better resume than Wu. Neils is right about at least 10 of their albums being platinum.

If you don't count solo efforts, I'd would say Beastie Boys and Bone Thugs-N-Harmony eclipse Wu-Tang

If you don't count solo efforts, I'd would say Beastie Boys and Bone Thugs-N-Harmony eclipse Wu-Tang
...and if you count solo efforts, NWA has to come into the discussion

oh a group better than Wu....

If you say G-Unit, I'm gonna fall off my chair in laughter.

And what do the Japanese know about rap? Eminem is the most popular rapper in England. They probably think Em created rap. I could care less what foreigners think of rap to be honest.
If you sell on both coasts, in the Midwest, and overseas, you are not local.

And what do the Japanese know about rap? Eminem is the most popular rapper in England. They probably think Em created rap. I could care less what foreigners think of rap to be honest.
It doesn't matter how "credible" the fans are; but the definition of local can't include international recording artists.

If you don't count solo efforts, I'd would say Beastie Boys and Bone Thugs-N-Harmony eclipse Wu-Tang


I agree with The Beasties, minus solo efforts, based on sheer impact. BONE is outstanding as well.

You knew it was coming.... to predict G-Unit "randomly" says a lot.
If you say G-Unit, I'm gonna fall off my chair in laughter.

BONE is outstanding? What? Bone are probably the most fad/gimmicky rappers ever. That style of rapping isnt popular anymore and neither are they! Wow... BONE thugs.
I agree with The Beasties, minus solo efforts, based on sheer impact. BONE is outstanding as well.

Well considering theyre havent been too many good rap groups... Wu joins the other blah groups... Junior Mafia, Outlaws, the Lunatics.

Im going to say since I like Lloyd Banks and Young Buck, that GUnit is better in my opinion. I dont think anyone in Wu has more charisma than Buck nor is anyone as nice on the mic as Banks.

By the way... did anyone see on MTV two weeks ago Ghost Face Killah helping that little Jewish boy rap? Yeah, Ghostface has free time like that. His career is not hot now.


well, I'm off my chair and laughing. Junior Mafia? Outlawz? Lunatics? Sorry, man, I don't think I can discuss hip hop with you anymore. Your braids must be too tight if you think Wu belongs with those groups. I'll still post a best of Redman, and a best of Common folder in the near future. I can't really respect your opinion coming from a TRUE hip hop standpoint after some of these recent posts. And for the last time, it's not about POPULARITY or SALES. The mainstream media has got you brain the **** washed.

No, I was calling Junior Mafia Outlawz Lunatics weak... like I called Wu weak. Im saying there a lot of bad groups.

Dont have braids.

Like I was saying Ghostface was actually helping that Jewish boy rap... he had the time like that. I dont know how many good rappers would do that or have the time to train a guy to rap. Mmmmmh.
well, I'm off my chair and laughing. Junior Mafia? Outlawz? Lunatics? Sorry, man, I don't think I can discuss hip hop with you anymore. Your braids must be too tight if you think Wu belongs with those groups. I'll still post a best of Redman, and a best of Common folder in the near future. I can't really respect your opinion coming from a TRUE hip hop standpoint after some of these recent posts.

Im going to say since I like Lloyd Banks and Young Buck, that GUnit is better in my opinion. I dont think anyone in Wu has more charisma than Buck nor is anyone as nice on the mic as Banks.




Like I said, falling out of my chair in laughter. I feel bad for you man, radio/TV has ****ed your head up :(

Actually, I have Satellite radio... they have a DJ who knows rap and plays it all. I always make a point to switch channels when WuTang comes on.
Like I said, falling out of my chair in laughter. I feel bad for you man, radio/TV has ****ed your head up :(

Funny thing is - he wants to bounce back and forth on the sales stuff

50 came out before the G-Unit album, so it's not a fair comparison. Take 50 Cent out of the mix, and I'm sure when all is said and done, Wu-Tang outsells G-Unit, because G-Unit will be dead and gone in a few years, and Wu-Tang artists will be putting out discs for awhile, because their music will mature with their fans, while G-Unit is the hip-hop equivalent of N Sync and will be replaced by the next pop model masquerading as a musician as soon as the label thinks they've max'd out profits and the media starts covering another group...

"Put a bug in your ear and now you crossed over
On MTV but they don't care
They'll have a new ***** next year"

- Ice Cube, True to the Game

Funny thing is - he wants to bounce back and forth on the sales stuff

50 came out before the G-Unit album, so it's not a fair comparison. Take 50 Cent out of the mix, and I'm sure when all is said and done, Wu-Tang outsells G-Unit, because G-Unit will be dead and gone in a few years, and Wu-Tang artists will be putting out discs for awhile, because their music will mature with their fans, while G-Unit is the hip-hop equivalent of N Sync and will be replaced by the next pop model masquerading as a musician as soon as the label thinks they've max'd out profits and the media starts covering another group...

"Put a bug in your ear and now you crossed over
On MTV but they don't care
They'll have a new ***** next year"

- Ice Cube, True to the Game


Yes indeed my man Neils.

I dont like 50 at all... let me make that clear.
Funny thing is - he wants to bounce back and forth on the sales stuff

50 came out before the G-Unit album, so it's not a fair comparison. Take 50 Cent out of the mix, and I'm sure when all is said and done, Wu-Tang outsells G-Unit, because G-Unit will be dead and gone in a few years, and Wu-Tang artists will be putting out discs for awhile, because their music will mature with their fans, while G-Unit is the hip-hop equivalent of N Sync and will be replaced by the next pop model masquerading as a musician as soon as the label thinks they've max'd out profits and the media starts covering another group...

"Put a bug in your ear and now you crossed over
On MTV but they don't care
They'll have a new ***** next year"

- Ice Cube, True to the Game

Do either of you guys know who MF DOOM is?

To be honest, nope.
Do either of you guys know who MF DOOM is?

Do either of you guys know who MF DOOM is?
I downloaded that disc, but haven't listened yet...

I downloaded that disc, but haven't listened yet...


it's classic.

Artist: Eric B and Rakim
Album: Paid in Full
Song: My Melody

Verse One:

Turn up the bass, check out my melody, hand out a cigar
I'm lettin knowledge be born, and my name's the R
A-k-i-m not like the rest of them, I'm not on a list
That's what I'm sayin, I drop science like a scientist
My melody's in a code, the very next episode
Has the mic often distortin, ready to explode
I keep the mic in Fahrenheit, freeze MC's and make em colder
The listener's system is kickin like solar
As I memorize, advertise, like a poet
Keep you goin when I'm flowin, smooth enough, you know it
But rough that's why the middle of my story I tell E.B.
Nobody beats the "R", check out my melody...

Verse Two:

So what if I'm a microphone fiend addicted soon as I sing
One of these for MC's so they don't have to scream
I couldn't wait to take the mic, flow into it to test
Then let my melody play, and then the record suggest
That I'm droppin bombs, but I stay peace and calm
Any MC that disagree with me just wave your arm
And I'll break, when I'm through breakin I'll leave you broke
Drop the mic when I'm finished and watch it smoke
So stand back, you wanna rap? All of that can wait
I won't push, I won't beat around the bush
I wanna break upon those who are not supposed to
You might try but you can't get close to
Because I'm number one, competition is none
I'm measured with the heat that's made by sun
Whether playin ball or bobbin in the hall
I just writin my name in graffiti on the wall
You shouldn't have told me you said you control me
So now a contest is what you owe me
Pull out your money, pull out your cut
Pull up a chair, and I'ma tear **** up
My name is Rakim Allah, and R & A stands for "Ra"
Switch it around, but still comes out "R"
So easily will I e-m-c-e-e
My repetition of words is "check out my melody"
Some bass and treble is moist, scratchin and cuttin a voice
And when it's mine that's when the rhyme is always choice
I wouldn't have came to ?set? my name ?around the? same weak ****
Puttin blurs and slurs and words that don't fit
In a rhyme, why waste time on the microphone
I take this more serious than just a poem
Rockin party to party, backyard to yard
Now tear it up, y'all, and bless the mic for the gods


Verse Three:

The rhyme is rugged, at the same time sharp
I can swing off anything even a string of a harp
Just turn it on and start rockin, mind no introduction
Til I finish droppin science, no interruption
When I approach I exercise like a coach
Usin a melody and add numerous notes
With the mic and the R-a-k-i-m
It's a task, like a match I will strike again
Rhymes are poetically kept and alphabetically stepped
Put in order to pursue with the momentum except
I say one rhyme and I order a longer rhyme shorter
A pause, but don't stop the tape recorder

Verse Four:

I'm not a regular competitor, first rhyme editor
Melody arranger, poet, etcetera
Extra events, the grand finale like bonus
I am the man they call the microphonist
With wisdom which means wise words bein spoken
Too many at one time watch the mic start smokin
I came to express the rap I manifest
Stand in my way and I'll lead a ??? words protest
MC's that wanna be dissed they're gonna
Be dissed if they don't get from in fronta
All they can go get is me a glass of Moet
A hard time, sip your juice and watch a smooth poet
I take 7 MC's put em in a line
And add 7 more brothas who think they can rhyme
Well, it'll take 7 more before I go for mine
And that's 21 MC's ate up at the same time
Easy does it, do it easy, that's what I'm doin
No fessin, no messin around, no chewin
No robbin, no buyin, bitin, why bother
This slob'll stop tryin fightin to follow
My unusual style will confuse you a while
If I was water, I flow in the Nile
So many rhymes you won't have time to go for your's
Just because of a cause I have to pause
Right after tonight is when I prepare
To catch another sucka duck MC out there
Cos my strategy has to be tragedy, catastrophe
And after this you'll call me your majesty
My melody...


Verse Five:

Marley Marl synthesized it, I memorize it
Eric B made a cut and advertised it
My melody's created for MC's in the place
Who try to listen cos I'm dissin ???
?Take off your necklace, you try to detect my pace?
?Now? you're ?buggin? over ??? off my rhyme like bass
The melody that I'm stylin, smooth as a violin
Rough enough to break New York from Long Island
My wisdom is swift, no matter if
My momentum is slow, MC's still stand stiff
I'm genuine like leather, don't try to be clever
MC's you'll beat the "R", I'll say "Oh never"
So Eric B cut it easily
And check out my melody...[I][U]

Damn I can't believe what I just read over the last 50 posts or so.

G-Unit better that Wu-Tang
Banks nicer on the mic than Meth, Ghost, GZA, Rae...
Wu-Tang a weak rap group who only sells in NY
Redman being a sell out who writes for mainstream success

I'm bout to go make some kool aid and clear my head while I let that **** settle.

Damn I can't believe what I just read over the last 50 posts or so.

G-Unit better that Wu-Tang
Banks nicer on the mic than Meth, Ghost, GZA, Rae...
Wu-Tang a weak rap group who only sells in NY
Redman being a sell out who writes for mainstream success

I'm bout to go make some kool aid and clear my head while I let that **** settle.


i got some aspirin if you need some........... :) I was shocked at some of that stuff myself. can't say i didnt try.

Let me clarify myself:

G Unit has two members I do like to listen to: Young Buck and Banks. I thus like G Unit better than Wu. I dont care for any Wu members

Banks is much nicer on the mic than Wu combined.

Methodman/Redman arent doing a service to rap nor black men with the now defunct show on fox portraying the stereotypical black man that only makes it into the suburbs as a rapper/athelete/drug dealer. Meth and Red were two of those rappers and drug heads. Theyre protistuting rap and black men for a buck with that stupid show.

This makes me believe that they are a sell out for prostituting black men for the all mighty dollar.
Wu is so hot? Why were they teaching that 15 year old Jewish boy named the Blizzard (no lie) how to rap on MTVs show Made? Ghostface has that much time to tutor a surburb raise jewish kid how to rap. Somethings wrong here. Again the Wu is not representing hip hop too well.
Damn I can't believe what I just read over the last 50 posts or so.

G-Unit better that Wu-Tang
Banks nicer on the mic than Meth, Ghost, GZA, Rae...
Wu-Tang a weak rap group who only sells in NY
Redman being a sell out who writes for mainstream success

I'm bout to go make some kool aid and clear my head while I let that **** settle.

Damn I can't believe what I just read over the last 50 posts or so.

G-Unit better that Wu-Tang
Banks nicer on the mic than Meth, Ghost, GZA, Rae...
Wu-Tang a weak rap group who only sells in NY
Redman being a sell out who writes for mainstream success

I'm bout to go make some kool aid and clear my head while I let that **** settle.

A WEAK RAP GROUP?? C'mon you didn't say that did you? You were only kidding right Gringo?

Gringo was referring to another poster's comments

Let me clarify myself:

G Unit has two members I do like to listen to: Young Buck and Banks. I thus like G Unit better than Wu. I dont care for any Wu members

Banks is much nicer on the mic than Wu combined.

Methodman/Redman arent doing a service to rap nor black men with the now defunct show on fox portraying the stereotypical black man that only makes it into the suburbs as a rapper/athelete/drug dealer. Meth and Red were two of those rappers and drug heads. Theyre protistuting rap and black men for a buck with that stupid show.

This makes me believe that they are a sell out for prostituting black men for the all mighty dollar.
Wu is so hot? Why were they teaching that 15 year old Jewish boy named the Blizzard (no lie) how to rap on MTVs show Made? Ghostface has that much type to tutor a surburb raise jewish kid how to rap. Somethings wrong here. Again the Wu is not representing hip hop too well.


C'mon man get off that high horse talking about Red and Meth. You think thishttp://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/Mugshot__young%20buck.jpg
is portraying black men any better? Answer is no. That Meth and Red show was stupid yes, but you're getting too damned emotional over some **** that's meant for pure comedic purposes. Stereotypical yes, but so are a lot of things.

I saw that **** on MTV and that wasn't Ghost tutoring that kid as to how he should rhyme...that was C Rayz. Ghost took like 5 minutes while he was IN STUDIO to tell the kid a few things and to let him get in the booth so he knows what it's like. If that's the best you can come up with as to why you don't like Ghost or Wu then you need to dead that.

Ghost, GZA, Meth, Red all have A LOT more character and flavor on the mic, and Meth (when he's not ****ing around) is far lyrically superior to both Buck and Banks. Buck and Banks are nice but show me something that they have absolutely killed and I might accept that they are even in the same ballpark as the aforementioned emcees. Neither one has nearly the body of work or resume as the other guys. Wu-Tang is easily a top 3 group ever and completely changed the game when they hit the scene.

Difference here is that I like Buck and Banks, especially Buck. You simply "just don't care" for Wu. Two different classes of artists though.

Dude there is a difference between a mans mug shot and a man playing a racial stereotype. Hope you know the difference. No one's mug shot looks good nor does it say anything about someones race. Meth and Reds character is a throwback to the Aunt Jemimas the black faced characters of the 1900s.
C'mon man get off that high horse talking about Red and Meth. You think thishttp://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/Mugshot__young%20buck.jpg
is portraying black men any better? Answer is no. That Meth and Red show was stupid yes, but you're getting too damned emotional over some **** that's meant for pure comedic purposes. Stereotypical yes, but so are a lot of things.

I saw that **** on MTV and that wasn't Ghost tutoring that kid as to how he should rhyme...that was C Rayz. Ghost took like 5 minutes while he was IN STUDIO to tell the kid a few things and to let him get in the booth so he knows what it's like. If that's the best you can come up with as to why you don't like Ghost or Wu then you need to dead that.

Ghost, GZA, Meth, Red all have A LOT more character and flavor on the mic, and Meth (when he's not ****ing around) is far lyrically superior to both Buck and Banks. Buck and Banks are nice but show me something that they have absolutely killed and I might accept that they are even in the same ballpark as the aforementioned emcees. Neither one has nearly the body of work or resume as the other guys. Wu-Tang is easily a top 3 group ever and completely changed the game when they hit the scene.

Difference here is that I like Buck and Banks, especially Buck. You simply "just don't care" for Wu. Two different classes of artists though.

This makes me believe that they are a sell out for prostituting black men for the all mighty dollar.
Wu is so hot? Why were they teaching that 15 year old Jewish boy named the Blizzard (no lie) how to rap on MTVs show Made? Ghostface has that much time to tutor a surburb raise jewish kid how to rap. Somethings wrong her

lol buck or banks better than any member of the wu :D

wow



bucks cd was alright but banks is pure ass who stole his flow from fabolous.

wu puts out classic after classic, i cant take anyone serious if they honestly believe g-unit is better than the revolutionary wutang clan

Nobody has to steal their flow from pop fabolous.

Second just cause Wutang has a big catalog that doesnt mean their great. Master P problably has just as big a catalog too.
lol buck or banks better than any member of the wu :D

wow



bucks cd was alright but banks is pure ass who stole his flow from fabolous.

wu puts out classic after classic, i cant take anyone serious if they honestly believe g-unit is better than the revolutionary wutang clan

Thats the thing: they dont sell. And I would say not one of them comes near Jadakiss lyrically.
the only member of the wu who couldnt outshine jada is u-god, the rest woud eat jada alive imo.

who said they didnt sell? they are multiplatinum.... matter of fact wu forver alone did 4 million.

plus when did jada, 50, banks or buck drop a classic cause i missed it. none of them could put together a classic if there lives depended on it. maybe they should try a "lil bit" harder

Thats two million since it was a double disc album. And that was in 1997. Havent done much since.
the only member of the wu who couldnt outshine jada is u-god, the rest woud eat jada alive imo.

who said they didnt sell? they are multiplatinum.... matter of fact wu forver alone did 4 million.

plus when did jada, 50, banks or buck drop a classic cause i missed it. none of them could put together a classic if there lives depended on it. maybe they should try a "lil bit" harder

I might need to clean some of your ears/eyes/brains out for supporting Wu especially Meth and Reds decision to do that stereotype TV show. Whats next? A heavy set black woman waiting on a white family? Would that be fine with you too?

Thats two million since it was a double disc album. And that was in 1997. Havent done much since.
ironman
pretty toney
supreme clintele
bulletproof wallets
legend of the liquid sword
Uncontrolled Substance
tical 2000
rza as bobby digital
birth of a prince

have all been release since 1997

Like I said just because you have a big catalog it doesnt mean you're doing anything. Prime example: Master P.
ironman
pretty toney
supreme clintele
bulletproof wallets
legend of the liquid sword
Uncontrolled Substance
tical 2000
rza as bobby digital
birth of a prince

have all been release since 1997

Thats two million since it was a double disc album. And that was in 1997. Havent done much since.


That's because they went their own ways to some degree.

Since then

Ghostface Killah: Supreme Clientele, Ironman(both classics) Bulletproof Wallets

Raekwon the Chef - Lex Diamond Story, Immobilarity

GZA - Beneath The Surface, Legend of the Liquid Sword (classic IMO)

RZA - RZA as Bobby Digital (good album), Digital Bullet

I might need to clean some of your ears/eyes/brains out for supporting Wu especially Meth and Reds decision to do that stereotype TV show. Whats next? A heavy set black woman waiting on a white family? Would that be fine with you too?
how bout riding the coat tails of a white man to go platinum or how about making an entire album about getting shot up and almost killed and making that sound cool.

or how about trying to cut down other black artists in an attempt to gain credibility and a name in the music buisness

or maybe stealing a known crack dealers name to make himself harder, is that fine with you too?

And I ask you, how have you these albums effected hip hop?

Also, during this time, we've seen the rise of two kings of New York (Biggie and JayZ) and it DONT look like anyone from Wu-Tang can or ever will fill their shoes.
That's because they went their own ways to some degree.

Since then

Ghostface Killah: Supreme Clientele, Ironman(both classics) Bulletproof Wallets

Raekwon the Chef - Lex Diamond Story, Immobilarity

GZA - Beneath The Surface, Legend of the Liquid Sword (classic IMO)

RZA - RZA as Bobby Digital (good album), Digital Bullet

Can you give me some examples of who you're talking about?
how bout riding the coat tails of a white man to go platinum or how about making an entire album about getting shot up and almost killed and making that sound cool.

or how about trying to cut down other black artists in an attempt to gain credibility and a name in the music buisness

or maybe stealing a known crack dealers name to make himself harder, is that fine with you too?

Like I said just because you have a big catalog it doesnt mean you're doing anything. Prime example: Master P.

just because you sell a million records doesnt mean your doing something. prime example : 50 cent, lloyd banks, vanilla ice, mc hammer

Can you give me some examples of who you're talking about?
the fools you listen too

50 cent in particular

Can you give me some examples of who you're talking about?
That's pretty blatantly a dig at 50, mnash...

Just think about Public Enemy's Fight the Power... essentially it was a call for the "brown and black" to get their **** together. And then two fellow rappers do a show like Red and Meth did. Oh, I just remember, Meth or Red had a white girlfriend. I guess they had to complete the black rapper/athelete/drug dealer stereotype because you know they all have white women. So Meth or Red had to have one on the show.

I have a feeling Public Enemy or Russel Simmons aren't too happy.

And I ask you, how have you these albums effected hip hop?

Also, during this time, we've seen the rise of two kings of New York (Biggie and JayZ) and it DONT look like anyone from Wu-Tang can or ever will fill their shoes.
wu invented a whole new sound, they are the original grimey sound in hip-hop, they were on top of new york and the rap world before big or jay

And I ask you, how have you these albums effected hip hop?

Also, during this time, we've seen the rise of two kings of New York (Biggie and JayZ) and it DONT look like anyone from Wu-Tang can or ever will fill their shoes.


Wu-Tang as a group were established well before Big and Pac were popular in the public eye. 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx were all out before '96 and Pac/Bigs rise to fame.

A lot of guys can't/won't fill their shoes. What you think 50, Buck, or Banks have filled their shoes? Hahaha you got it twisted if you think that's how things are.

Let me repeat myself I dont like 50. I dont like gimmicks 'being shot 9 times' etc.

Come to find out hes never spent a day in jail, just in boot camp when he was younger. I dont like liars either.
That's pretty blatantly a dig at 50, mnash...

Or how about blowing off the fact that the person who signed you used the word "******" on a rap song and disrespected black women? 50 needs to go and Im the first to tell you that.

Actually Em needs to go, he wants to toss the N bomb around and then make money of "urban music". No difference from Elvis. Except Elvis wasnt blatantly racists like blondie.
how bout riding the coat tails of a white man to go platinum or how about making an entire album about getting shot up and almost killed and making that sound cool.

or how about trying to cut down other black artists in an attempt to gain credibility and a name in the music buisness

or maybe stealing a known crack dealers name to make himself harder, is that fine with you too?

Let me repeat myself I dont like 50. I dont like gimmicks 'being shot 9 times' etc.

Come to find out hes never spent a day in jail, just in boot camp when he was younger. I dont like liars either.
banks is a living gimmick, he doesnt even have his own style.

btw who cares if he has been to jail or not, does that influence your choice in music?

I know it sure as hell aint Wu that are gonna take over. Wu Tang is dead. Like I was saying just cause theyre releasing albums doesnt mean theyre doing good or selling (Master P comes to mind). You know when you own your own record label, you can call the shots and release albums like P and Wu Tang.

No, he's lied about being locked up in jail. Goes to show you about what he'll say to sell in interviews.
banks is a living gimmick, he doesnt even have his own style.

btw who cares if he has been to jail or not, does that influence your choice in music?

Just think about Public Enemy's Fight the Power... essentially it was a call for the "brown and black" to get their **** together. And then two fellow rappers do a show like Red and Meth did. Oh, I just remember, Meth or Red had a white girlfriend. I guess they had to complete the black rapper/athelete/drug dealer stereotype because you know they all have white women. So Meth or Red had to have one on the show.

I have a feeling Public Enemy or Russel Simmons aren't too happy.
That whole anti-white thing gave way to the love of green thing, man...

These guys figured out that white kids in Nebraska were buying their ****. Most of that stuff was just to capitalize on the whole atmosphere of the late 80s/early 90s.

Del put out a song where he said "if your titties is pink then you're white and you're not the right one" then told The Source his girlfriend was white.

Ice Cube put out "horny lil devil", produced "buck tha devil", put out "cave *****", then went on tour with the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

The *****z with Attitude were being pimped by Jerry Heller

and so on and so forth

MC Hammer got blasted for doing a KFC commercial. Now KRS-One is hawking Sprite and Common is rapping for Coke or Dr. Pepper (can't remember which one)

Everybody's a sell-out now; mainly because the opportunity is there.

When MC Hammer and Kid 'n Play were doing it, it wasn't cool because rap wasn't really mainstream. That was before Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and 8 Mile and rap being a category at the Grammy's

Chuck D has publicly praised Everlast and Eminem; I think, no matter if there's a real bias or not, it's not wise p.r. wise to play the race card in rhymes or interviews anymore.

You think militant black men like Public Enemy have no ill-feeling towards Eminem after he through around the word N-I-G-G-E-R?
That whole anti-white thing gave way to the love of green thing, man...

These guys figured out that white kids in Nebraska were buying their ****. Most of that stuff was just to capitalize on the whole atmosphere of the late 80s/early 90s.

Del put out a song where he said "if your titties is pink then you're white and you're not the right one" then told The Source his girlfriend was white.

Ice Cube put out "horny lil devil", produced "buck tha devil", put out "cave *****", then went on tour with the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

The *****z with Attitude were being pimped by Jerry Heller

and so on and so forth

MC Hammer got blasted for doing a KFC commercial. Now KRS-One is hawking Sprite and Common is rapping for Coke or Dr. Pepper (can't remember which one)

Everybody's a sell-out now; mainly because the opportunity is there.

When MC Hammer and Kid 'n Play were doing it, it wasn't cool because rap wasn't really mainstream. That was before Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and 8 Mile and rap being a category at the Grammy's

Chuck D has publicly praised Everlast and Eminem; I think, no matter if there's a real bias or not, it's not wise p.r. wise to play the race card in rhymes or interviews anymore.

Or how about blowing off the fact that the person who signed you used the word "******" on a rap song and disrespected black women? 50 needs to go and Im the first to tell you that.

Actually Em needs to go, he wants to toss the N bomb around and then make money of "urban music". No difference from Elvis. Except Elvis wasnt blatantly racists like blondie.
The Eminem comments you made are absurd, by the way.

You don't like Quentin Tarantino now since he drops the "n" word in Pulp Fiction? Eminem hasn't used the word or done anything other than elevate some of his black business partners and friends since he got signed. That "Black girls aren't as good as white girls" track being dug up is pathetic. That would be like popsikal dropping an album sometime and me saving one of this online posts and trying to sell it to the source.

And while we're on the whole Black/White thing - The Source has a WHITE owner, too. Benzino's just the only one who wants to brag about his place in the company...

Exactly. That grimey, street crime drama angle of rap came from two different artists.

Kool G. Rap
The Wu-Tang Clan

You know all of those sped up, whiny high pitched voice samples and wailing piano riffs you hear today? That would be RZA's doing first.

I know it sure as hell aint Wu that are gonna take over. Wu Tang is dead. Like I was saying just cause theyre releasing albums doesnt mean theyre doing good or selling (Master P comes to mind). You know when you own your own record label, you can call the shots and release albums like P and Wu Tang.

g-unit took over? wu tang will leave behind a legacy with thier music and they have had their turn on top of rap.

g-unit isnt leaving behind nothing but disgrace to rap and hip-hop

btw in order to "takeover" wouldnt your album atleast be the number 1 selling rap album the week of its release? g-unit didnt do that....

We just dont know Rza's done it first, I guess someone else perfected it.
Exactly. That grimey, street crime drama angle of rap came from two different artists.

Kool G. Rap
The Wu-Tang Clan

You know all of those sped up, whiny high pitched voice samples and wailing piano riffs you hear today? That would be RZA's doing first.

RZA is titanic. Everytime I listen to that guy he keeps impressing me. The best artists right now imo, are:

in no order

Nas
Jay-Z
Eminem
RZA
Meth
ghostface

And its really no secret the wu-tang clan is ridiculous. They bred insane rappers.

You think he could have made an empire off other white rappers?

No you're blowing aside blatant and clear racism, for reasons I'll never know why.

I know about Dave Mays.
The Eminem comments you made are absurd, by the way.

You don't like Quentin Tarantino now since he drops the "n" word in Pulp Fiction? Eminem hasn't used the word or done anything other than elevate some of his black business partners and friends since he got signed. That "Black girls aren't as good as white girls" track being dug up is pathetic. That would be like popsikal dropping an album sometime and me saving one of this online posts and trying to sell it to the source.

And while we're on the whole Black/White thing - The Source has a WHITE owner, too. Benzino's just the only one who wants to brag about his place in the company...

We just dont know Rza's done it first, I guess someone else perfected it.
rza perfected his style, he is one of the top 5 producers of all time. what is the point you are trying to make?

We just dont know Rza's done it first, I guess someone else perfected it.



that being who?

You think he could have made an empire off other white rappers?

No you're blowing aside blatant and clear racism, for reasons I'll never know why.

I know about Dave Mays.
If Eminem signed Eyedea, Bubba Sparxxx, Stagga Lee & KJ-52 (if he changed his rhyme content), he would have a better group than D-12.

And the group wouldn't be a funny white boy clique because he would bring them cred.

And they would sell just as much.

You guys are saying Rza created this whole new style of production, but I've heard many songs with those voices and I dont think I can accredit him to any of those songs.

I've heard Heat Makers with that. I've Kanye. I've heard Just Blaze.

SAY WHAT! What the ****?

First Em would NEVER have street cred and even Bill O'Reilly picked up on this when he said, "Eminem isnt popular in the black community. I guess he isnt violent enough." In a racist side comment to Dr. Michael ________ last name skips me but he writes all those Tupac books.
If Eminem signed Eyedea, Bubba Sparxxx, Stagga Lee & KJ-52 (if he changed his rhyme content), he would have a better group than D-12.

And the group wouldn't be a funny white boy clique because he would bring them cred.

And they would sell just as much.

RZA is titanic. Everytime I listen to that guy he keeps impressing me. The best artists right now imo, are:

in no order

Nas
Jay-Z
Eminem
RZA
Meth
ghostface

And its really no secret the wu-tang clan is ridiculous. They bred insane rappers.
exactly... they are some of the most creative artists in hip-hop history

You guys are saying Rza created this whole new style of production, but I've heard many songs with those voices and I dont think I can accredit him to any of those songs.

I've heard Heat Makers with that. I've Kanye. I've heard Just Blaze.
rza style isnt new, he invented it back in 92 or even earlier

You guys are saying Rza created this whole new style of production, but I've heard many songs with those voices and I dont think I can accredit him to any of those songs.

I've heard Heat Makers with that. I've Kanye. I've heard Just Blaze.


HE DID IT FIRST!

RZA was the first to use this style of production. HE was the first to use the sped up vocals and eerie piano riffs.

Tell me how long Just Blaze, Heatmakerz, and Kanye have been around?

THEY got part their style of production from RZA. This isn't exactly obscure information.

Well, why has it worked for Blaze, Heatmakers and Kanye but not the originator Rza?

rza style isnt new, he invented it back in 92 or even earlier


'91...RZA was ****in with that **** back in '91. ODB was with him and then GZA signed on, then the rest of the group.

BTW, Eminem addressed the would-be controversy on a song on Encore, killed it, and no one seemed to make a big thing of it.

There have been many, many more very blatant anti-White, anti-Jewish lyrics released than anything Eminem has said. Not that two "wrongs make a right", but it does explain why they shouldn't crucify him for saying a word as a kid that isn't as potent as it once was (did you see the video links for that V-Unit and Chucky Ackenz group linked off this site, where a white, black and Vietnamese dude take turns rapping in front of a multi-cultural mob and they all drop the N-word like it's nothing? I don't approve of it, but apparently there are a number of youth who don't hold the same attitudes that earlier generations did about the word"

Opening to Da Lench Mob album: "Damn, I'm sweatin' like a ***** at a white man's funeral"

Ice Cube on When will they shoot: "White man is something I tried to study/but I got my hands bloody" - then he hired one for his barbershop, served with a few in the Gulf War, hunted a big snake with 'em...lol

SAY WHAT! What the ****?

First Em would NEVER have street cred and even Bill O'Reilly picked up on this when he said, "Eminem isnt popular in the black community. I guess he isnt violent enough." In a racist side comment to Dr. Michael ________ last name skips me but he writes all those Tupac books.
Yeah, Bill O'Reilly is an authority on rap music. I imagine Ludacris would tend to dispute that...

Well, why has it worked for Blaze, Heatmakers and Kanye but not the originator Rza?



What are you talking about? Wu-Tang as a whole has put out two CLASSIC albums, with RZA's production.

Tell me any albums that those three producers put out that can **** with

Enter the 36 Chambers
Wu-Tang Forever

Please tell me that now.