View Full Version : Fighters Who People Think Are Overrated, But You Don't?


Southpaw16BF
03-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Name me some fighters or fighter, that everyone thinks is overrated, but you don't seem to think the same.

Royalty
03-09-2010, 10:27 PM
Naseem Hamed.

Despite people saying he got "exposed" by Barrera, he was a very dominant force in boxing, during his prime. He was the man at the featherweight division and one of, if not the, hardest P4P punchers in featherweight history.

Southpaw16BF
03-09-2010, 10:33 PM
Naseem Hamed.

Despite people saying he got "exposed" by Barrera, he was a very dominant force in boxing, during his prime. He was the man at the featherweight division and one of, if not the, hardest P4P punchers in featherweight history.

Good choice!

Thread Stealer
03-09-2010, 10:36 PM
Rocky Marciano has been called overrated so often that it's like he's become underrated.

Joey Giardello
03-09-2010, 10:41 PM
I rate Jack dempsey very high! alot of people dont agree with me how i high i rate jack, i also rate naseem hamed high in his prime i would give him a 50/50 chance against any great feather or superfeather! I rate Michael nunn very high! i think at middleweight he would of beat duran, sugar ray and hearns, that guy was a monster in his prime.Also Donald curry i rate as one of the best welterweights of all time, if not for weight trouble he would of never have lost at the weight!

Joey Giardello
03-09-2010, 10:45 PM
Also Michael moorer was great back in the day never lost as a lightheavyweight was avoided by all the then lightheavyweight champions, and was the first ever southpaw heavyweight champion beating atg evander for his title! i rate double m as a great fighter, who would be a match for any lighheavyweight past or present! and he would of give alot of the great past heavyweights trouble

phallus
03-09-2010, 10:47 PM
I rate Jack dempsey very high! alot of people dont agree with me how i high i rate jack, i also rate naseem hamed high in his prime i would give him a 50/50 chance against any great feather or superfeather! I rate Michael nunn very high! i think at middleweight he would of beat duran, sugar ray and hearns, that guy was a monster in his prime.Also Donald curry i rate as one of the best welterweights of all time, if not for weight trouble he would of never have lost at the weight!

micheal nunn was already considered an all time great while he was still champ, it was a huge upset when toney knocked him out in 91 and made the news ( non - sports news ).

Joey Giardello
03-09-2010, 10:57 PM
micheal nunn was already considered an all time great while he was still champ, it was a huge upset when toney knocked him out in 91 and made the news ( non - sports news ).

Yes but people dont rate nunn that high no more! they have forgot what he was like in his prime

JAB5239
03-09-2010, 11:12 PM
micheal nunn was already considered an all time great while he was still champ, it was a huge upset when toney knocked him out in 91 and made the news ( non - sports news ).

Yes but people dont rate nunn that high no more! they have forgot what he was like in his prime

Nunn was a great talent, but I don't consider him an all time great and don't remember any talk of him being an all time great when he was at his best. I do remember him being compared to Ray Leonard after his fights with Tate and Kalambay, but that talk was stifled quickly after his fights with Barkley and Starling. I've always considered him a great talent that didn't live up to his potential. Jmo.

Joey Giardello
03-09-2010, 11:22 PM
Nunn was a great talent, but I don't consider him an all time great and don't remember any talk of him being an all time great when he was at his best. I do remember him being compared to Ray Leonard after his fights with Tate and Kalambay, but that talk was stifled quickly after his fights with Barkley and Starling. I've always considered him a great talent that didn't live up to his potential. Jmo.

Barkley can make most fighters look bad! tommy hearns could never deal with barkley, at leat nunn got the win, same with starling nunn had to lose ten pounds just a couple of days before that fight but still beat a tricky fighter in starling, At his best nunn beats hearns, sugar ray and duran and all 3 of them knew it and wanted no part of nunn. There was alot of talk of nunn being a great in his prime after knocking out the the slick avoided kalambay, takeing the unbeaten record of gold medalist frank tate and beating former world champions barkley and curry, that does not make fans ask could this fighter be a great? of course it does! plus you have sugar ray, duran and hearns avoiding nunn

JAB5239
03-09-2010, 11:34 PM
Barkley can make most fighters look bad! tommy hearns could never deal with barkley, at leat nunn got the win, same with starling nunn had to lose ten pounds just a couple of days before that fight but still beat a tricky fighter in starling, At his best nunn beats hearns, sugar ray and duran and all 3 of them knew it and wanted no part of nunn. There was alot of talk of nunn being a great in his prime after knocking out the the slick avoided kalambay, takeing the unbeaten record of gold medalist frank tate and beating former world champions barkley and curry, that does not make fans ask could this fighter be a great? of course it does! plus you have sugar ray, duran and hearns avoiding nunn

At his best and them being past their primes is what you should have said, because all 3 were well past their best days and engaged in a somewhat of a seniors tour.

Nunn was never great in my opinion, only highly talented. He also wasted much of that talent on boring lackluster performances he looked like he had no interest in fighting. None of that makes for an all time great in my opinion.

Combine all this with the fact that his biggest wins came at the tail end of his opponents careers, his loss to Toney, and that fact that the rest of his career was very ordinary. I just can't rate him as an all time great.

Obama
03-10-2010, 12:28 AM
Mike Tyson

The man is clearly a top 10 Heavyweight, and closer to 5 than to 10 imo. Buttt because he never beat a prime elite fighter he gets a bad rep.

News flash: There were none available to fight him while he was still prime. It's not like the man ducked people.

Ziggy Stardust
03-10-2010, 12:05 PM
Mike Tyson

The man is clearly a top 10 Heavyweight, and closer to 5 than to 10 imo. Buttt because he never beat a prime elite fighter he gets a bad rep.

News flash: There were none available to fight him while he was still prime. It's not like the man ducked people.

The same argument could be made for Marciano and Holmes though.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
03-10-2010, 12:14 PM
The names tagged with "(by some)" aren't GENERALLY overrated but have a VERY vocal group of detractors.

Jack Johnson (by some)
Jack Dempsey
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Joe Louis (by some)

Roy Jones (by some)
Michael Spinks

Marvin Hagler
Bernard Hopkins
Bob Fitzsimmons
Herol Graham
Charley Burley

Ray Robinson (by some)
Oscar De La Hoya

Roberto Duran (by some)
Joe Gans

Alexis Arguello (by some)
Manny Pacquiao (by some)

S.G.
03-10-2010, 12:29 PM
I'd say the Americans give Joe Calzaghe a bit more flack than he maybe warrants. Usually justified by the mysterious and elusive Calzaghe nuthuggers who apparently brand him the greatest of all time.

Bernard Hopkins gets a bit more criticism than he deserves too. The often stated "he only beat smaller men" argument has me pulling out my hair.

AKATheMack
03-10-2010, 01:11 PM
I'd say the Americans give Joe Calzaghe a bit more flack than he maybe warrants. Usually justified by the mysterious and elusive Calzaghe nuthuggers who apparently brand him the greatest of all time.

Bernard Hopkins gets a bit more criticism than he deserves too. The often stated "he only beat smaller men" argument has me pulling out my hair.

I actually like Calzaghe, but the arguments that he was just as far past his best as either Jones or Hopkins are infuriating. I honestly see no way Calzaghe troubles a prime Jones at all.

S.G.
03-10-2010, 01:28 PM
I actually like Calzaghe, but the arguments that he was just as far past his best as either Jones or Hopkins are infuriating. I honestly see no way Calzaghe troubles a prime Jones at all.

I agree. I would say that he was past his physical prime though, although quite clearly not anywhere near shot like Jones was.

Snopkins
03-10-2010, 01:31 PM
Definately not Joe Frazier.


To me,the most overrated fighter of all time.

Obama
03-10-2010, 05:45 PM
The same argument could be made for Marciano and Holmes though.

Poet

Holmes, definitely. And I rate him even higher than Tyson.

Marciano, meh. He only had and 8.5 year career and left on the rise of Floyd Patterson & Sonny Liston. The rumor that he was going to come out of retirement to fight Ingo Bingo should he have defeated Patterson in the rematch also raises eyebrows.

tanibanana
03-10-2010, 06:20 PM
Naseem Hamed.

Despite people saying he got "exposed" by Barrera, he was a very dominant force in boxing, during his prime. He was the man at the featherweight division and one of, if not the, hardest P4P punchers in featherweight history.
best pick so far...

The_Demon
03-10-2010, 06:28 PM
might have already been said.naseem hamed