I got this off another site. I thought it summed up my point of view quite nicely.

"You can't deny his talents but his outside the ring behavior for the last decade defined everything that is wrong with the sport of boxing. This man lied to the fans, spoiled many potential fights, and acted as though he was untouchable. He routinely acted like he was bigger than the sport and made it clear that in order for him to fight any legitimate threat, said threat would have to bend over backwards and make a load of sacrifices just to get the fight. He also consistently went out of his way to belittle, insult, and call out people he had no intention of fighting.

For some reason, fight fans accepted this garbage and even promoted it. They felt like Roy Jones could go around fighting obviously inferior competition without testing himself and he could just retain his p4p title no matter what. They gave him the pass because they foolishly thought he was unbeatable, so it didn't matter who he fought because he would beat everyone anyway. Of course this was ridiculous, but it mattered little in the eyes of many fans and members of the media.

Finally, we see why he avoided tough competition for so long. He went nearly a decade without fighting anyone who presented a challenge, and he got KTFO twice. Yes his reflexes have diminished, but that doesn't mean his chin just became tappable overnight. The chin was always there, it's just that he avoided top flight fighters for so long, and so many of his opponents were intimidated by him that they didn't really try to tap his chin, it never got tested. Is there really any question now as to why he didn't want to fight Michalczewski? Why he backed out of the Jirov fight with the contract signed by Jirov? Why he backed out of the Buster Douglas fight when the contract signed by Douglas? No. He might have been harder to hit, but that questionable chin was always there. (He forgot to mention Sanders)

Roy Jones was a great athletic talent but he was terrible for the sport in many ways. You don't deserve to be mentioned in the breath of greats like Hagler, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Ali, and so forth when you refuse to test yourself and fight the best. This guy was bad for the sport of boxing and all I can say is good riddance. Glen Johnson was the best choice to flush Jones' career. Glen Johnson exemplifies everything that's good about the sport of boxing, he is the anti-Jones."

I got this off another site. I thought it summed up my point of view quite nicely.


That's a good article.

leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country. im a big fan of all these guys but trying to say that anyone is perfect for the sport is just stupid. the roy haters are just thrashing him with everything in the book now that hes vunerable to be critisized, he was a great fighter and deserves to be mentioned in the "same breath" with a hell of alot more great fighters than shown here. let the man retire in peace.

leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country.

What does drinking and refusing to kill innocent people have to do with how good a boxer is?

leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country. im a big fan of all these guys but trying to say that anyone is perfect for the sport is just stupid. the roy haters are just thrashing him with everything in the book now that hes vunerable to be critisized, he was a great fighter and deserves to be mentioned in the "same breath" with a hell of alot more great fighters than shown here. let the man retire in peace.


That was Great YOKO. this thread should be closed now.

I got this off another site. I thought it summed up my point of view quite nicely.

"You can't deny his talents but his outside the ring behavior for the last decade defined everything that is wrong with the sport of boxing. This man lied to the fans, spoiled many potential fights, and acted as though he was untouchable. He routinely acted like he was bigger than the sport and made it clear that in order for him to fight any legitimate threat, said threat would have to bend over backwards and make a load of sacrifices just to get the fight. He also consistently went out of his way to belittle, insult, and call out people he had no intention of fighting.

For some reason, fight fans accepted this garbage and even promoted it. They felt like Roy Jones could go around fighting obviously inferior competition without testing himself and he could just retain his p4p title no matter what. They gave him the pass because they foolishly thought he was unbeatable, so it didn't matter who he fought because he would beat everyone anyway. Of course this was ridiculous, but it mattered little in the eyes of many fans and members of the media.

Finally, we see why he avoided tough competition for so long. He went nearly a decade without fighting anyone who presented a challenge, and he got KTFO twice. Yes his reflexes have diminished, but that doesn't mean his chin just became tappable overnight. The chin was always there, it's just that he avoided top flight fighters for so long, and so many of his opponents were intimidated by him that they didn't really try to tap his chin, it never got tested. Is there really any question now as to why he didn't want to fight Michalczewski? Why he backed out of the Jirov fight with the contract signed by Jirov? Why he backed out of the Buster Douglas fight when the contract signed by Douglas? No. He might have been harder to hit, but that questionable chin was always there. (He forgot to mention Sanders)

Roy Jones was a great athletic talent but he was terrible for the sport in many ways. You don't deserve to be mentioned in the breath of greats like Hagler, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Ali, and so forth when you refuse to test yourself and fight the best. This guy was bad for the sport of boxing and all I can say is good riddance. Glen Johnson was the best choice to flush Jones' career. Glen Johnson exemplifies everything that's good about the sport of boxing, he is the anti-Jones."

Perfectly said.
RJJ needs to leave boxing for good or come back and end up like "G-man".

What does drinking and refusing to kill innocent people have to do with how good a boxer is?

absolutley nothing. you obviously did'nt understand how i was replying to what was said about jones, read it again.

Your missing the point - This view has surfaced quite a bit since Jones lost to Tarver and the best version of it I read was the article entitled "Libertaion" in the Ring Magazine with Bernard Hopkins on the cover - The issues that covered the Hopkins Allen, DLH Sturm fight.

The Liberation article gave Jones his due for skills - But noted that there are a fair few qualities of Jones that wont be missed - Namely all the tough talking and then taking lame mandatory title challenegers, holding HBO to ransom for crappy matchups and not really fighting in a manner of a warrior, more of the reluctant hero.

As usual at this point in a career - Its easy to come out of the woodwork and hate on the guy - But the bottom line is Jones WAS the best fighter of the 90s - And for all the good and bad experiences he provided us with - He's now not really in a position to fight on.

I hope he takes stock of an awesome career and retires with dignity.

If someone is a b o x i n g t a l k member - There's a member only feature where they got a quote from Roy re: His future - Go check it and tell us what it said!

leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country. im a big fan of all these guys but trying to say that anyone is perfect for the sport is just stupid. the roy haters are just thrashing him with everything in the book now that hes vunerable to be critisized, he was a great fighter and deserves to be mentioned in the "same breath" with a hell of alot more great fighters than shown here. let the man retire in peace.
"Duran was an alcoholic" So was Tunney and alot of other great boxers.

"Leonard snorted cocaine" I know he wasn't the only one to do that.

"Ali refused to fight for his own country" So what? He had no reason to go there and kill innocent people in the name of a country that oppressed him.
I'm against the draft and fighting senseless wars for this country too.

At least these guys never did steroids.
Something that RJJ did.

absolutley nothing. you obviously did'nt understand how i was replying to what was said about jones, read it again.


Then you did not understand the original article.

leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country. im a big fan of all these guys but trying to say that anyone is perfect for the sport is just stupid. the roy haters are just thrashing him with everything in the book now that hes vunerable to be critisized, he was a great fighter and deserves to be mentioned in the "same breath" with a hell of alot more great fighters than shown here. let the man retire in peace.
This was going on a long time before he lost to Johnson.

im not a fan of war myself but if someone told you that you had to kill a person or that person would kill your family, what would you do? if you dont help your side in the fight, then its possible that your side can lose, do you want that?

Then you did not understand the original article.

i remember you used to ride my dick a long time ago about stupid ****. for some reason you used to have **** starting comments towrds me, then i did'nt see you for a while. why are you back?

im not a fan of war myself but if someone told you that you had to kill a person or that person would kill your family, what would you do? if you dont help your side in the fight, then its possible that your side can lose, do you want that?
No one in the US was in any danger of being killed or even hurt by the Viet Cong.
The only americans who were, were the ones who went over there starting **** without any real information.

That war was complete bull****.
It did not need to take place.

I don't think that in any of our wars (excluding the 9/11 incident) that any US citizen living in the US was in any danger from outside forces or countries that we were in war against.

Even if we decided to do nothing, do you really think some third world country could take over the US?
It's not possible.

i remember you used to ride my dick a long time ago about stupid ****. for some reason you used to have **** starting comments towrds me, then i did'nt see you for a while. why are you back?


I never talked to you before, and, obviously, I will never talk to you ever again.

No one in the US was in any danger of being killed or even hurt by the Viet Cong.
The only americans who were, were the ones who went over there starting **** without any real information.

That war was complete bull****.
It did not need to take place.

I don't think that in any of our wars (excluding the 9/11 incident) that any US citizen living in the US was in any danger from outside forces or countries that we were in war against.

Even if we decided to do nothing, do you really think some third world country could take over the US?
It's not possible.

great trivia right here cause most people dont know it. did you know that part of WW2 was fought on american soil? the japenese invaded one of the alucian islands off the coast of alaska. thats why to this day there is still a roadway connecting alaska to north america. we had to build it to help get supplies to the troops in alaska.

great trivia right here cause most people dont know it. did you know that part of WW2 was fought on american soil? the japenese invaded one of the alucian islands off the coast of alaska. thats why to this day there is still a roadway connecting alaska to north america. we had to build it to help get supplies to the troops in alaska.
Ah well.. I never said I was a history buff.
I thought the only US soil that the Japanese attacked was Pearl Harbor.

It was mostly a single, small island, though they did take 2. The US spent months building up supplies and troops for an amphibious assualt and expected to take high casualties.
They spent quite a bit of time on a naval bombardment of the island, then landed troops, only to find the island deserted.
The Japanese slipped off the Aleutian Island of Kiska under cover of bad weather 2 weeks before.

[QUOTE=Yoko]leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country.

WTF this guy is dissing Ali for not wanting to kill fellow muslims, btw Africa is Ali's country and dont forget it.

Your missing the point - This view has surfaced quite a bit since Jones lost to Tarver and the best version of it I read was the article entitled "Libertaion" in the Ring Magazine with Bernard Hopkins on the cover - The issues that covered the Hopkins Allen, DLH Sturm fight.

The Liberation article gave Jones his due for skills - But noted that there are a fair few qualities of Jones that wont be missed - Namely all the tough talking and then taking lame mandatory title challenegers, holding HBO to ransom for crappy matchups and not really fighting in a manner of a warrior, more of the reluctant hero.

As usual at this point in a career - Its easy to come out of the woodwork and hate on the guy - But the bottom line is Jones WAS the best fighter of the 90s - And for all the good and bad experiences he provided us with - He's now not really in a position to fight on.

I hope he takes stock of an awesome career and retires with dignity.

If someone is a b o x i n g t a l k member - There's a member only feature where they got a quote from Roy re: His future - Go check it and tell us what it said!


Im a ********** member, I will go check it out.

You arent missing nothing it just talks about his cell phone message saying he was alright and dont worry about me, god has trials and tribulations for everyone and god gave him two and he summed it up that he is alright and doctors reported him being dehydrated and that he will be back....

leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country. im a big fan of all these guys but trying to say that anyone is perfect for the sport is just stupid. the roy haters are just thrashing him with everything in the book now that hes vunerable to be critisized, he was a great fighter and deserves to be mentioned in the "same breath" with a hell of alot more great fighters than shown here. let the man retire in peace.

Exactly Roy does deserve to be mentioned with these we already saw who darius lost to, a fighter Roy dominated. Get real. Roy does nothing different that ay of us and that is look out for #1 himself. he beat hopkins and all the ones people have said would beat him went ot heavy weight ad beat Ruiz. There is not anyone else in boxing that cull pull off that feat including tarver. Not only that he did it with ease.

Exactly Roy does deserve to be mentioned with these we already saw who darius lost to, a fighter Roy dominated. Get real. Roy does nothing different that ay of us and that is look out for #1 himself. he beat hopkins and all the ones people have said would beat him went ot heavy weight ad beat Ruiz. There is not anyone else in boxing that cull pull off that feat including tarver. Not only that he did it with ease.

I think tarver could campaign at heavyweight, he definatly has the frame for it...He is like six foot two or around that area while roy is at heavy....If tarver has a chin (which I think he does) then he can go to heavy he certainly has the reach and height and the frame....At 175 he still looks like an ethiopian

How come nothing was ever done about Roy testing positive for steroids a few years back??? Anyone else ever here about this or anything more about it??? I am trying to remember which magazine published the article!!! I will post it as soon as I remember!!! I believe the title read "When is cheating not cheating???"

[QUOTE=Yoko]leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country.

WTF this guy is dissing Ali for not wanting to kill fellow muslims, btw Africa is Ali's country and dont forget it.

damnit people, you have to read my entire post to get the point. im not even talking about these guys, im making a point about why roy jones or anyone else should not be tagged with "making the sport of boxing look bad".

Who did Roy lose to? Johnson and Tarver and both in humiliating fashion. DM is older than Roy noob, so you can't say that they don't count if you are going to count DM's last fight.

what the hell are you talking about???????

dm???????
me a noob??????????
:confused:

Sorry I was talking to Bmoney probably should have quoted him.

no problem. peace :cool:

Exactly Roy does deserve to be mentioned with these we already saw who darius lost to, a fighter Roy dominated. Get real. Roy does nothing different that ay of us and that is look out for #1 himself. he beat hopkins and all the ones people have said would beat him went ot heavy weight ad beat Ruiz. There is not anyone else in boxing that cull pull off that feat including tarver. Not only that he did it with ease.

Thank you for unknowingly supporting the writers argument.

What does drinking and refusing to kill innocent people have to do with how good a boxer is?

Innocent people? What world have you been living in buddie? Do you not know who or what the VietKong are? Go back and take History a few more times. Then you can come back and restate what you just said.

Why do Klit fans hate Roy Jones so much ?

I am a fan of both fighters.

Why do Klit fans hate Roy Jones so much ?

"Its not so much his of chin as it is his heart though. He's like a dog that can't fight from the bottom. Nope he did not (ever have heart), because he never had it, its just that he was so big that you never got the chance to see him fight from the downside...Probably it (retiring) would be a good idea for him to because he's only a six round fighter and only Butterbean can really handle that...They (the Klitschkos) cannot take what they dish out."

He's 0-2 since saying this.

I think Roy should just retire. He's becoming more and more like Tyson. Loves boxing, just doesn't love being a boxer anymore. He should just say, "F--- it, I've done this and that in the ring. I don't have anything else to prove.", and walk away. Even if you don't like him, you have to, at least, give him credit for what he's done in the ring.

I give the man credit for his exceptional talent. He was blessed with lightning quick hands and feet. However, his level of opposition has always been sub-par except for maybe 2 r 3 fighters he's fought. If Jones had the proper mindset he could have been the greatest p4p fighter ever, but due to his lack of quality opponents and a habit of not wanting to fight the hardest fights out there he will always be remembered as a could've been. He Could've been the greatest.....

Knowing Roy, he probably won't even try to avenge his losses, claiming that he doesn't need to because of some BS type excuse. Now you tell me - Do the great ones make excuses or go avenge defeats....Like I said, Roy could've been.............

ali refused to fight for his own country.


'fighting for your own country' would apply if the US were under any real domestic threat

ali refused to 'fight a stupid meaningless war that didn't involve the us to begin with'

the roy haters are just thrashing him with everything in the book now that hes vunerable to be critisized, he was a great fighter and deserves to be mentioned in the "same breath" with a hell of alot more great fighters than shown here.
Actually, I've been trashin' Jones for years, because I don't like that he brings nothing to boxing, he just brings stuff to RJJ.

Your'e right though, the "haters" are now letting loose the venom now that it's popular to do so, but it's all a bit boring, because it's a bunch of talk about the same **** Roy has been doing (is now doing with words only) for many years. It's all old news.

I think its just a matter of whether your a fan or a hater.

Roy Jones was/is a boxing caricature, and hall-of-famer.

Trouble is, he's overshadowed everything he's accomplished by continuing to be ridiculous. Not the the Hamed ring-entrance type ridicule, but another more constant form of ridiculous attitude toward his opponents, the sport, and more recently his own legacy. I'm very glad the sport can now move ahead without the likes of him. What did he actually bring to this game?

QUESTION .... when you hear somebody say something like "Jones was/is my favorite fighter?" What do you say to them? I usually say nothing, 'cause I figure a true fight fan does not choose Jones to represent.

Roy Jones was/is a boxing caricature, and hall-of-famer.

Trouble is, he's overshadowed everything he's accomplished by continuing to be ridiculous. Not the the Hamed ring-entrance type ridicule, but another more constant form of ridiculous attitude toward his opponents, the sport, and more recently his own legacy. I'm very glad the sport can now move ahead without the likes of him. What did he actually bring to this game?

QUESTION .... when you hear somebody say something like "Jones was/is my favorite fighter?" What do you say to them? I usually say nothing, 'cause I figure a true fight fan does not choose Jones to represent.

Munn, I noticed your custom title says 'Canuck' .if you are in vancouver I was wondering if you could give me the lowdown on the general attitude about the NHL crap going on? I was in Vancouver for 15 months last year, I miss it, I remember how gung ho everyone was about hockey there, can't imagine how pissed the general population must be about it. Hockey today in vanocouver is like boxing was in new york in the 1930's, it was like 'the sport' everyone went to the fights, etc.

were there any riots or anything?

Theres not many fighters who get praised on this site, its usually how they ruined boxing.(ex. Tyson, Jones, Judah on and on)

leonard snorted cocaine, duran was an alcholic and ali refused to fight for his own country. im a big fan of all these guys but trying to say that anyone is perfect for the sport is just stupid. the roy haters are just thrashing him with everything in the book now that hes vunerable to be critisized, he was a great fighter and deserves to be mentioned in the "same breath" with a hell of alot more great fighters than shown here. let the man retire in peace.

This should be the end of it. If you want to blame Roy for his behavior, you can blame Ali first, because all this hot-dogging started with him a long time ago.

In truth, neither should be blamed and you should all get over yourselves. We've been over this a million times, and to say Roy only fought 2-3 fighters of note is BS, plain and simple.

I don't agree with everything Roy says as a commentator or as a peson, but he is a good human being and you would know that if you were as clos to him as we are here in Pensacola.

For the record, I like the Klitschkos more than any heavyweights out there, as well as Roy.

Maybe Ruiz and Tarver I did a bigger number on him than some people think..

Not Ruiz. I believe Jones could take a punch well and that's why he did well in that fight, along with speed. After he lost that muscle mass he did permanent damage to his body, on some scale, and the subsequent Tarver fights were what messed up his head and it's ability to withstand punches. Also, Roy would be able to take thes punches better if he had never come back down frm heavy and especially if he was still 33, 32, or 27.

Alas, that is not the case. We've all said our goodbyes to Roy as we knew him, so let's get rid of this thread now. Goodbye shoulda been said already months ago.

Hockey today in vanocouver is like boxing was in new york in the 1930's .......
Not too many people are stressed about the lockout, except if you are working a concession or providing some other kind of support to the NHL, or if you sling beer near the rink.

The NHL situation has proved one thing for sure, Hockey in Canada is not the NHL. There's a revival of interest in the Juniors and it's great to see the coverage. The junior scene is more popular than ever and the NHL'ers aren't terribly missed.

Now, back to RJJ ...... maybe not.

Was this really worth bringing back?

Quick question about Leonard's cocaine habit:

Did he only do it after he was finished with boxing for good, or did he admit to using it while training?

If he admitted to training with it, that's ****ed up, I lost all respect for him

Is Jones going back or is he permanently retired?

I got this off another site. I thought it summed up my point of view quite nicely.

"You can't deny his talents but his outside the ring behavior for the last decade defined everything that is wrong with the sport of boxing. This man lied to the fans, spoiled many potential fights, and acted as though he was untouchable. He routinely acted like he was bigger than the sport and made it clear that in order for him to fight any legitimate threat, said threat would have to bend over backwards and make a load of sacrifices just to get the fight. He also consistently went out of his way to belittle, insult, and call out people he had no intention of fighting.

For some reason, fight fans accepted this garbage and even promoted it. They felt like Roy Jones could go around fighting obviously inferior competition without testing himself and he could just retain his p4p title no matter what. They gave him the pass because they foolishly thought he was unbeatable, so it didn't matter who he fought because he would beat everyone anyway. Of course this was ridiculous, but it mattered little in the eyes of many fans and members of the media.

Finally, we see why he avoided tough competition for so long. He went nearly a decade without fighting anyone who presented a challenge, and he got KTFO twice. Yes his reflexes have diminished, but that doesn't mean his chin just became tappable overnight. The chin was always there, it's just that he avoided top flight fighters for so long, and so many of his opponents were intimidated by him that they didn't really try to tap his chin, it never got tested. Is there really any question now as to why he didn't want to fight Michalczewski? Why he backed out of the Jirov fight with the contract signed by Jirov? Why he backed out of the Buster Douglas fight when the contract signed by Douglas? No. He might have been harder to hit, but that questionable chin was always there. (He forgot to mention Sanders)

Roy Jones was a great athletic talent but he was terrible for the sport in many ways. You don't deserve to be mentioned in the breath of greats like Hagler, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Ali, and so forth when you refuse to test yourself and fight the best. This guy was bad for the sport of boxing and all I can say is good riddance. Glen Johnson was the best choice to flush Jones' career. Glen Johnson exemplifies everything that's good about the sport of boxing, he is the anti-Jones."


i dont agree %100
but good article man

Hold on Hold on let me say something here! Jones, Hagler, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Ali, and Marciano! Did I just mention all those fighters in the same breath OOPS MY BAD!! HAHAHAHA Jones could have been the best there was he just got hit twice really good his chin was there he just got hit really good plain and simple, many fighters get dropped by a good punch from the worst fighters How can you say he ducked everyone he fought everyone that was in front of him and he beat him everyone was just too afraid to really fight him and come on Douglas you have to be kidding me I have never heard more crap in one article in my life I wouldnt fight douglas either I dont even know why Tyson did he has always been a bum and got lucky that one time! Jones is great and when Tarver and him fight again he is going to win!

No one in the US was in any danger of being killed or even hurt by the Viet Cong.
The only americans who were, were the ones who went over there starting **** without any real information.

That war was complete bull****.



When the US withdrew, the North Vietnamese crushed the South and killed more than 1 million civilians. Remember, this was in the era of Cold War and many people were of the belief that the spread of Communism had to be stopped and Vietnam was the place. Also, WW-II was not so distant and people just had a different mindset than many do today. Living through the Holocaust and saying "never again" actually meant something.

Muhammad Ali was totally within his rights to be a conscientous objector, and should not have been stripped of his freedom and boxing titles IMO. Draftees got a bad deal, considering it was not voluntary, but enlisted military were doing what they agreed to do for their country. If you sign up for military service, you don't get to decide which are in your opinion good and bad assignments.

By the way, Nixon took us out of the war in 1973. To this day, there has not been a fair election in Vietnam since the end of the war. There was not a single boat person prior to 1973. After that, people fled from South Vietnam by any means possible. Do you know any boat people? I know a couple, and they were lucky to escape. Their siblings and parents didn't make it out alive.

Should Americans care enough to protect others from mass murder? I hope we continue to do so. That some others do not tells us something about them, and you'll pardon me if I think our values are superior.

Should Americans care enough to protect others from mass murder? I hope we continue to do so. That some others do not tells us something about them, and you'll pardon me if I think our values are superior.

and also continue PROMOTING mass murder like in latin america in the 70s

ali refused to fight for his own country. .


**** Vietnam, like he said "Nobody in Vietnam ever called me a ******".

I wouldnt have ****in went neither. At that time, black people could barely have any equal rights, defending women and children from lynchings/church burnings/cross burnings etc. Man **** all that ****.

The 1st post in this thread is really rich coming from one of the biggest Vitali Klitschko Nut Huggers around. :rolleyes:

All i got to say is Roy beat two of the best fighters 2day in Hopkins & Toney...And beat them both soundly..Roy woulda beat any one in his weight classes in his era...i dont care what people say...

QUESTION .... when you hear somebody say something like "Jones was/is my favorite fighter?" What do you say to them? I usually say nothing, 'cause I figure a true fight fan does not choose Jones to represent.


Thats retarded, being a "true fight fan" means knowing the sport and having some insight on who is who in boxing. You dont need to like a certain fighter to be considered a true ****ing fight fan, my fav team in the NBA is the Warriors, they suck year in and year out, does it mean im not a true basketball fan because my team sucks so hard? No, it would be cliche to say "oh well, im a true fight fan, one of my fav fighters is sugar ray robinson, as well as eder joffre". Man **** that, like who you like as long display some knowledge on the sport.

A lot of boxing fans share certain attributes that resemble professional wrestling fans: the bravado and drama are more important than the literal skill of the athlete. Many boxers go most of their careers fighting lesser opponents, causing the casual boxing fan to go "Wow, this guy must be really great, he's knocking fools out left and right". But the story occurrs over and over - that the superstar picks a nobody (thinking it an easy victory) without knowing that that "nobody" is going to knock him out. See: Buster Douglass and Glen Johnson.

Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins are both millionaires for fighting nobody's for the most part. It's not that they're not skilled (or were), it's just that eventually they go up against a nobody who realize they are a nobody and seize the opportunity to become a somebody by not being intimidated by the star boxer in the opposing corner.

to quote denzel washington in "Training Day": It ain't checkers, it's chess.

"Its not so much his of chin as it is his heart though. He's like a dog that can't fight from the bottom. Nope he did not (ever have heart), because he never had it, its just that he was so big that you never got the chance to see him fight from the downside...Probably it (retiring) would be a good idea for him to because he's only a six round fighter and only Butterbean can really handle that...They (the Klitschkos) cannot take what they dish out."

He's 0-2 since saying this.

So you hate Roy for telling the truth?

well, first we have to find out whats wrong with boxing:

-bad decisions
-boring fights
-all talk and no walk fighters
-selling out
-fight dodgers
-money-grubbers
-posers
-overhyped fighters never live up to expectations
-little or no risk-takers
-fighters claim to be the best even though they never prove it
-little or no main-stream appeal
-brutal, memorable slugfests are too few and far between
-guys with weak chins act like badasses
-quitters
-upsets by mediocre opponents (except tarver's far better than mediocre)
-long lay-offs
-only two fights a year (three if ur lucky)
-excuses galore!
-and nobody likes challenges

... yep... sounds just like roy jones jr!

All i got to say is Roy beat two of the best fighters 2day in Hopkins & Toney...And beat them both soundly..Roy woulda beat any one in his weight classes in his era...i dont care what people say...

Yup, I don't care when he beat Hopkins or Toney...he still beat them. Its not his fault Hopkins was too green and Toney weight problem.

Yup, I don't care when he beat Hopkins or Toney...he still beat them. Its not his fault Hopkins was too green and Toney weight problem.

oh i get so sick of peopel saying hopkins wasnt developed. WELL NITHER WAS JONES THEY WERE THE SAME LEVELS APART THEN AS THEY ARE NOW. jones was better than hopkins than with neither one of them being developed, and jones and hopkisn both got better. if jones wouldnt have got any better and hopkind would have then ok there could be an argument but they both got apart so therefore there still as far apart as they were then. btw im meaning the jones of up until the losses against the hopkins of now. but jones will get back to that point with the tarver fight.

oh i get so sick of peopel saying hopkins wasnt developed. WELL NITHER WAS JONES THEY WERE THE SAME LEVELS APART THEN AS THEY ARE NOW. jones was better than hopkins than with neither one of them being developed, and jones and hopkisn both got better. if jones wouldnt have got any better and hopkind would have then ok there could be an argument but they both got apart so therefore there still as far apart as they were then. btw im meaning the jones of up until the losses against the hopkins of now. but jones will get back to that point with the tarver fight.

I agree with what your saying...

One thing is certain after reading this thread, D.M. fans are not willing to accept the fact that Darius didn't want any part of fighting a Roy Jones Jr. - he had the chance, but he wouldn't leave his hometown judges, who would have given him a win unless he was totaly unconcious. Roy offered to meet him in a nuetral country and D.M. turned it down. They also can't see that D.M. had his hands full with fighters that Roy mopped the ring with.

Look fight fans, R.J.J. is probably one of the most naturally gifted athletes that this sport has ever seen, it is not his fault that the division was less than stellar at times, we don't hold it against Marciano do we?

Roy was heads and shoulders above the competition in his prime, and yes that means D.M. would have been taken apart by Jones. There is no part of D.M.'s game that would have been something that Jones couldn't handle.

As for the Quitsko Bros fan club founding member that posted the original piece, I'll say this about the brothers - it looks to me like they aren't even at the top of their own soft, -no - very soft division. And let's see how many more excuses they can come up with, and by the way, the list is already getting pretty damn long. It seems they have had nothing but excuses, but the real one is they can't take the punishment of the heavyweight division, just like Roy said, and may I add also, not without their "roids" - just look at the pics of Vitaly as tall skinny kick boxer and Vitaly as a boxer, hmmm, mighty powerfull, that Russian spinach!!!!

Not only did Ali dodge the draft, Didnt he throw is olympic gold metal away also? Its not the point if you agree with a war or not. When you are a citizen of a country you do have obligations. At that era he had an obligation to report to the army. He refused. Laws are laws and they need to be respected. I thought his refusal was an act of cowardice, not politics.

Not only did Ali dodge the draft, Didnt he throw is olympic gold metal away also? Its not the point if you agree with a war or not. When you are a citizen of a country you do have obligations. At that era he had an obligation to report to the army. He refused. Laws are laws and they need to be respected. I thought his refusal was an act of cowardice, not politics.


Malcolm X said it best to me.

"If its wrong to be violent, defending black women, black children and black men. Then its wrong for america to draft us, and make us violent abroad on the face of the earth"

Dont you have a ****in clue what was happening to black people at the time? We were second class citizens with a government that had nerve enough to make us fight? It takes more balls to say "**** it i aint gonna go" than to ****in bow down and be like "ok yes sir, yes masta". So **** that. I wouldnt report to ****.

Roy showed he had a chin in the past. He just got cracked by 2 monster shots FLUSH that just about would KO anyone. Difference is back then he would have seen it a mile away and dodged it. Leave the shoulder rolling to Mayweather Roy

Not only did Ali dodge the draft, Didnt he throw is olympic gold metal away also? Its not the point if you agree with a war or not. When you are a citizen of a country you do have obligations. At that era he had an obligation to report to the army. He refused. Laws are laws and they need to be respected. I thought his refusal was an act of cowardice, not politics.
58,000 dead. a couple million wounded and disfigured. people accepting the draft (like the mindless sheep they are) and people dodging the draft (the few Americans who had balls). all these facts surrounded the Vietnam war. with so many dead and wounded, what kind of chances do u think ali had of surviving that "war"?

ali put it best himself: "Why should I go off and fight a war for you when you won't even fight for me at home?"

"obligations of being a citizen of a country"? don't gimme that bull****. ali (as well as myself) would rather be a human with his own mind and will instead of a citizen with an "obligation".

honestly, would u go fight a war for the same country that wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire, the same country that would deprive you of every right you had as a human being?

ali didnt. i wouldnt. and if you would: go join the army and see what its like to "serve" your country.

cowardice? dont make me laugh. whos the bigger coward: the coward who does what hes told and doesnt challenge authority or the coward who stands up for what he believes in?

how the hell did this Ali/Vietnam draft thing come up?