View Full Version : The 20 Greatest Fighters of the 20th Century


Southpaw16BF
03-05-2010, 03:39 PM
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1.Muhammad Ali
2.Joe Louis
3.Sugar Ray Robinson
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Jack Johnson
6.Jack Dempsey
7.Benny Leonard
8.Harry Greb
9.Rocky Marciano
10.Archie Moore
11.Roberto Duran
12.Willie Pep
13.Jimmy Wilde
14.Pernell Whitaker
15.Sugar Ray Leonard
16.Stanley Ketchel
17.Julio Cesar Chavez
18.Terry McGovern
19.Joe Gans
20.Kid Gavilan

In my opinion, arguably the worst list I have ever seen.

JAB5239
03-05-2010, 04:18 PM
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In my opinion, arguably the worst list I have ever seen.

Yeah, that list pretty much blows.

queenieerika24
03-05-2010, 04:38 PM
woott my idol no. 1 muhammad ali hehe

sonnyboyx2
03-06-2010, 03:52 AM
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In my opinion, arguably the worst list I have ever seen.

explain why its the worst list you have ever seen and show the best list you have seen

JAB5239
03-06-2010, 04:15 AM
explain why its the worst list you have ever seen and show the best list you have seen

In my opinion Ali and Louis are way to high. Dempsey (6), Marciano (9) should even be close to the rankings given all the great fighters in history. Ketchel, McGovern and Gavilan are way to high in my opinion, and no Charles or Langford is an outrage. I wouldn't call it the worst list, but I definitely have seen better. Jmo.

T3dBundy
03-06-2010, 06:06 AM
its a good list, finally a list where heavyweights dont get underrated.
but i still think robinson deserves to be #1 p4p.

Rolling Stone
03-06-2010, 06:09 AM
its a good list, finally a list where heavyweights dont get underrated.
but i still think robinson deserves to be #1 p4p.
i agree, heavyweights are always underrated when it comes to P4P lists but Sugar Ray is the best ever

crold1
03-06-2010, 12:03 PM
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In my opinion, arguably the worst list I have ever seen.

Most of the fighters are fine; the order can be debated but, if I recall from that issue, it weighs 'historical impact' or 'significance.' Not sure how that measures. Louis was bigger in his time, arguably, than Ali in his.

bklynboy
03-06-2010, 01:01 PM
Most of the fighters are fine; the order can be debated but, if I recall from that issue, it weighs 'historical impact' or 'significance.' Not sure how that measures. Louis was bigger in his time, arguably, than Ali in his.

When I see "greatest" I think "best." In that case should "historical impact" really be much of a factor when you're judging who were the best fighters? I don't think so.

Dempsey was huge in his time, a celebrity along the lines of Joe DiMaggio, Michel Jordan, and Tiger Woods. His celebrity status is important but that, in and of itself, shouldn't count when we're comparing who was the better fighter.

I think Dempsey is rated too high and, as much as I love Marciano, he's also ranked too high.

crold1
03-06-2010, 01:08 PM
When I see "greatest" I think "best." In that case should "historical impact" really be much of a factor when you're judging who were the best fighters? I don't think so.

Dempsey was huge in his time, a celebrity along the lines of Joe DiMaggio, Michel Jordan, and Tiger Woods. His celebrity status is important but that, in and of itself, shouldn't count when we're comparing who was the better fighter.

I think Dempsey is rated too high and, as much as I love Marciano, he's also ranked too high.

I was talking to someone the other day, and have heard others use the idea, of 'greater' vs. 'better'. I don't always agree, but it's not invalid. Part of sporting greatness is what people remember, and Dempsey's impact on the game was greater than all but a handful (and we're not talking about okay Heavyweight fighters versus great ones. Dempsey and Rock were certainly great Heavies).

bklynboy
03-06-2010, 02:07 PM
I was talking to someone the other day, and have heard others use the idea, of 'greater' vs. 'better'. I don't always agree, but it's not invalid. Part of sporting greatness is what people remember, and Dempsey's impact on the game was greater than all but a handful (and we're not talking about okay Heavyweight fighters versus great ones. Dempsey and Rock were certainly great Heavies).

I'm struggling for an answer. My first thought is "In that case should Greb & Ketchel be there at all?" I understand you're not saying that great = famous and that skill and accomplishment are part of greatness. However I don't like including fame and historical signifance in judging how good a boxer was.

Joe Louis was the first black heavyweight in a generation and helped to break the color barrier. The Louis - Schmelling fight had HUGE historical significance. We had the irony of white Americans, including many racists, rooting for a black man who was fighting a symbol of Aryan supremacy. So, off course the extra-boxing significance counts in what we think of the man.

I suppose we need to have another thread of who were the 20 "best" fighters of the 20th C, as opposed to who were the "greatest". And, I guess, that would be problematic too as we could parse the word "best" in the same way we parse "great."

Let's play with history for a while and go back to the Gatti / Mayweather fight. Imagine that Gatti had a better chin (how is that possible?) and let's say that Mayweather punished Hatton for 11+ rounds and get's KOed in the 12th.

I would say that Mayweather was the better fighter but guts, willingness to take punishment, determination, and extraordinary stamina won the fight for Gatti. I'm a big Gatti fan and don't like Mayweather's public persona but who in the world could possibly say, even in the above scenario, that Gatti was a better boxer than Mayweather?

I guess that's enough rambling for the moment. And I don't even have alcohol as an excuse.

boxingbuff
03-06-2010, 05:41 PM
Is Muhammad Ali the greatest fighter ever?

Well.it depends on how you look at it.....One day Ali was really bragging how great he was to a reporter.More than usual.Going on and on he was the greatest of all times etc. etc. Then the reporter said to Ali "What about SRR? Ali responded "I never said I was the greatest p4p,I said I was the greatest fighter of all-times"

So if you rank Ali the #1 Heavyweight of all-time,you would have to agree with him that he is the greatest fighter of all-times!! Lol

crold1
03-06-2010, 06:45 PM
Is Muhammad Ali the greatest fighter ever?

Well.it depends on how you look at it.....One day Ali was really bragging how great he was to a reporter.More than usual.Going on and on he was the greatest of all times etc. etc. Then the reporter said to Ali "What about SRR? Ali responded "I never said I was the greatest p4p,I said I was the greatest fighter of all-times"

So if you rank Ali the #1 Heavyweight of all-time,you would have to agree with him that he is the greatest fighter of all-times!! Lol

In a literal sense, if one rates Ali #1 then that would be the case. The best heavyweight of them all is literally better than the best featherweight (for instance) because, in the non-myth world of P4P, the best Heavyweight should walk through the best feather.