Toney signs with UFC [Archive]

Kakutogi-Gumi

03-03-2010, 07:44 PM

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/3/3/1335637/why-would-the-ufc-sign-james-toney

It certainly isn't because he's a world-class MMA fighter. So what could be the potential reasons? Let's run through the most likely possibilities:

1. Like the UFC did with Shamrock vs. Ortiz 1 and Royce Gracie vs. Hughes, the UFC will on occassion book mismatches to prove a point about the latest iteration of top-shelf MMA fighters competing when there is public misperception. In both the case of Shamrock and Gracie, there was a lingering belief among casuals that their era of competitors and their skill sets were tantamount to the most evolved, most technical fighters of the present day. White & Co. knew bettern but had to prove the most recent UFC product was the best. Boxing has had something of a resurgence or at least re-popularization of late although even without the resurgence the overall point of boxing vs. MMA (even though the odds are hardly fair) still holds sway. With the booking of the first major boxer to crossover into the MMA "big leagues", the UFC could be attempting to make an example of what is highly likely to be Toney's absymal MMA skill set.

2. The Herschel Walker effect. As White has curiously remarked (it makes perfect sense to me), ESPN and many in the traditional sports establishment still won't pay attention to MMA or the UFC, yet will when one of their favorite sons from another, more established sport gets in the mix. Toney is hardly as beloved as Walker, but the interesting mix of a former high-level boxer throwing his hat in the (ostensibly) top shelf MMA ring creates a new magic worthy of eyeballs from the same group. And if we refer to the first point, with their attention and a likely butchering of Toney at the hands of what should be a more than competent wrester, White could be killing two birds with one stone.

3. I don't find this particularly likely, but White could actually be curious about Toney's ability. Greg Savage Tweeted that Toney has been working (albeit on fundamentals) with Juanito Ibarra in recent weeks. In fact, I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears Dana White tell Chad Dukes and Lavar Arrington Toney had been training in secret for quite some time. For anyone who takes elite-level MMA training seriously that still doesn't mean much of anything, but who knows what machinations lurk in the hearts of MMA fight promoters?

Blair_Wells#32

03-03-2010, 08:43 PM

:nonono: First Kimbo....Now This, Neither Signing Benefits the UFC or MMA in General im hoping Toney gets thrown in with someone who will Squash him and shut his mouth after the **** he's been talking, if they want a stand up fight they should give him Antoni Hardonk or Pat Barry either of them ain't top Level yet but they'd still take Toney's legs from him. If they want him to look like a Fish out of water give him to Roy Nelson or Gabriel Gonzaga to choke him out.

MetalVomit

03-03-2010, 08:46 PM

Toney/Kimbo would be ugly. Even at 41, Toney's hand game would rip Kimbo to ****ing shreds.

kaps

03-03-2010, 08:58 PM

Toney/Kimbo would be ugly. Even at 41, Toney's hand game would rip Kimbo to ****ing shreds.

Yeah, I don't think Kimbo would trade with him. He'd probably take him down like he did too Mercer...

GroundSt.Pound

03-03-2010, 09:05 PM

Toney/Kimbo would be ugly. Even at 41, Toney's hand game would rip Kimbo to ****ing shreds.

Toney's style of boxing isn't one that will pose a huge threat in MMA.

Kimbo by using his brothers Judo training to toss Toney on his head.

F l i c k e r

03-03-2010, 10:19 PM

What are you guys talking about? Toney is a grown man and professional boxer, he could fight UFC if he wants too.

I say if Toney fights 205, give him to Jon Jones or Brandon Vera. Some people may not think they would beat him but I think Vera and Jones would humiliate Toney.

I don't want to see Toney get easy Ws for ****. **** advertising him. Throw him to the wolves and let him get his ass kicked. A good ass kicking will make you respect the MMA game. :twak:

If he goes HW, throw him to Big Nog or Kongo. He will get his ass beat by them too. Vicious sub game or get the **** kicked out of him by them big ass Kongo legs.

Boxing Scene

03-04-2010, 12:13 AM

I took this picture of Toney doing situps about 5 days ago. He's in HORRIBLE shape.

http://i45.tinypic.com/v6nm85.jpg

kaps

03-04-2010, 12:50 AM

http://twitter.com/Randy_Couture

I hope I'm the first guy they call to fight tony ! :) about 1 hours ago via HTC Peep

kswizzy99

03-04-2010, 01:17 AM

Dana signed Toney for one reason and one reason only....... to prove a point.

Dana is gonna make an example out of Toney.

gimmeyapudpud

03-04-2010, 03:35 AM

Only an MMA fan see's legitimacy in this.This is the problem with MMA unfortunately,it's entire fanabse consists of WWE fans who really don't know any better.

You can hardly blame others for not treating MMA as a sport as it doesn't really see itself as a sport.

MMA fans are no doubt excited as it's a chance to avenge the humiliating defeat that an out of shape,shot nearly 50 year old Ray Mercer inlicted to their entire sport.

Success is unlikely,but with the mma fighters chin(or lack of) anything is possible.

res

03-04-2010, 04:27 AM

res

03-04-2010, 04:34 AM

MMA fans are no doubt excited as it's a chance to avenge the humiliating defeat that an out of shape,shot nearly 50 year old Ray Mercer inflicted to their entire sport.

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Yep.

Roy Jones might be a better candidate but i think his stand up skill is so repected even in MMA that we would never get to see him use it; he would be tackled onto the ground in every fight in the first few seconds..

Clegg

03-04-2010, 04:36 AM

Dana signed Toney for one reason and one reason only....... to prove a point.

Dana is gonna make an example out of Toney.

That's the way it looks to me too. I just can't see the guy having any realistic chance of success in the sport.

kaps

03-04-2010, 09:41 AM

gimmeyapudpud

03-04-2010, 11:45 AM

What about boxings humiliating defeat when Mercer got choked out by a bum street fighter?

Pro wrestling matches count now do they?

And even if we were to ignore the obvious fix,a near 50 year old man? That's your great rebuttal?

LOL

kaps

03-04-2010, 12:27 PM

Pro wrestling matches count now do they?

And even if we were to ignore the obvious fix,a near 50 year old man? That's your great rebuttal?

LOL

No, but sanctioned fights count, and Tim Sylvia is a lop. Toney wanted the UFC, not the other way around.....

her0

03-04-2010, 01:44 PM

Unless he scores a lucky one-punch knockout (which I don't see happening), I think Toney is gonna get a beating.

kswizzy99

03-04-2010, 03:03 PM

That's the way it looks to me too. I just can't see the guy having any realistic chance of success in the sport.

Dana is gonna feed him someone like roy nelson or kimbo. 2 guys that could beat him but aren't considered close to the top in rankings.

the one that makes the most sense is mark coleman. this way the boxing fans won't have an excuse about Toney being too old.

Kakutogi-Gumi

03-04-2010, 03:10 PM

It's Couture. He's polotiking heavy.

F l i c k e r

03-04-2010, 04:59 PM

cameronpaul

03-04-2010, 05:00 PM

toney would knock lesnar out just like mayweather ko'd the bigshow.

Forza

03-04-2010, 06:25 PM

what point does dana show the boxing world if toney loses? That a fat ass 41 year old washed up boxer can't out wrestle somebody like couture who has 20+ years of experience in MMA?

you mma kids are pathetic. you should send your best striker to step in the ring with a boxer so we can "prove a point" about mma strikers.

:peeright: MMA

F l i c k e r

03-04-2010, 06:33 PM

kaps

03-04-2010, 07:22 PM

MidnightBliss

03-05-2010, 01:18 AM

Toney is gonna get KO'd via Headkick, yeow!

Spartacus Sully

03-05-2010, 02:21 AM

We are talking about the current NABO and IBA Heavyweight champion, not some washed up bum. You guys don't know **** about boxing if your trying to down play James Toney.

those titles are less titles and more stepping stones for young up and coming boxers in hopes of getting an actually ibhof reconogized title shot. not really something that some one whos won much more should be sitting at and praised for having.

kind of like brock lesnar winning tuf then joining boxing and people say well he is the current TUF winner.

One more round

03-05-2010, 03:27 AM

Toney is a great boxer, and a tough guy. At his age though and with his level of wear and tear and propensity for being out of shape, he will probably have a tough time.

But, if he can learn some takedown defence, keep on his feet, and someone is dumb enough to trade with him, he might do alright.

gimmeyapudpud

03-05-2010, 03:53 AM

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355433

Please do feel free to post.It's Mmgay related,so you won't feel out of your depth like you would discussing boxing

No, but sanctioned fights count, and Tim Sylvia is a lop. Toney wanted the UFC, not the other way around.....

And yet it was a exhibition with a 50 year old man.Of course it looked real to wwe fans like you,but most saw it for what it was.

Tim Sylvia is a former heavyweight champion and a ranked top ten heavyweight at the time he got his glass jaw cracked.

It's hilarious to see mmgay fanboys such as yourself defend this.

Make him respect MMA by getting his ass kicked.

Toney will never respect such a pathetic excuse for a sport and neither will anyone else who has all front teeth intact.

JoHnNyBoXeR

03-05-2010, 08:02 AM

Do you see how these mma haters are down playing Toney? This is a guy who runs through 95% of heavyweights like cheetos and gives Vitali and Wlad a run for thier money. "Oh he's near 50" 41 is no where near 50 and even so, what does that mean about boxing then, if a 41 year old guy is still beating the **** out of the landscape? Get real you douche bags. We are talking about the current NABO and IBA Heavyweight champion, not some washed up bum. You guys don't know **** about boxing if your trying to down play James Toney.

I hope Toney gets tough comp. I don't want him getting fed Kimbo or Couture or some dumb ****. Kimbo only uses his hands so he is getting ****ed over. Couture will get his ass beat by Toney, legend or not, guys with hands always gives Couture hell.

Give him someone who can kickbox and wrestle. Brandon Vera's vicious kicks would bring a smile to my face and Jon Jones unpredictable devestating style would humiliate James Toney. Make him respect MMA by getting his ass kicked.

WTF are you talking about? Toney hasn't looked good since 2003-2004 while beating Holyfield. in his last 7 fights he has two losses to Sam peter a gift draw to Rahman, a gift SD victory to Oquendo, a SD against Danny Batchleder(who??) and a quick KO over a guy who is 12-5 .. The Klistchkos would knock Toney into next Saturday at this stage in his career.. Toney hasn't looked good in over 5 years.. so what the **** are you talkin about

Rabbit ♠

03-05-2010, 11:43 AM

Randy Jackson FTW!

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop/600/_images/pictures/20100303112843_toney_lg.JPG

DeepSleep

03-05-2010, 05:06 PM

Do you see how these mma haters are down playing Toney? This is a guy who runs through 95% of heavyweights like cheetos and gives Vitali and Wlad a run for thier money. "Oh he's near 50" 41 is no where near 50 and even so, what does that mean about boxing then, if a 41 year old guy is still beating the **** out of the landscape? Get real you douche bags. We are talking about the current NABO and IBA Heavyweight champion, not some washed up bum. You guys don't know **** about boxing if your trying to down play James Toney.

I hope Toney gets tough comp. I don't want him getting fed Kimbo or Couture or some dumb ****. Kimbo only uses his hands so he is getting ****ed over. Couture will get his ass beat by Toney, legend or not, guys with hands always gives Couture hell.

Give him someone who can kickbox and wrestle. Brandon Vera's vicious kicks would bring a smile to my face and Jon Jones unpredictable devestating style would humiliate James Toney. Make him respect MMA by getting his ass kicked.

James Toney is 3-2-1 in his last 5 fights against poor competition. He lost to Samuel Peter twice, beat both Fres Oquendo and Danny Batchelder by SD. He would get killed by the K'Bros and would get mauled by most of the current Heavyweight contenders. The current Toney is completely washe-out. A non-washed out James Toney doesn't barely beat Danny Batchhelder...

Akyra

03-05-2010, 05:14 PM

he just signed his life sentence. :nonono:

MJ406

03-05-2010, 11:12 PM

is Toney really one of the greatest of our time? The guy has already been busted twice for performance enhancing drugs .. and IMO that should take a big chunk away from his so called legendary legacy.

**fights with Kimbo + Kongo would make the most sense at this point

as Kimbo-Toney would be a great sell to the casual fan, and Kongo also would be a good test for James Toney

AKATheMack

03-06-2010, 12:48 AM

What about boxings humiliating defeat when Mercer got choked out by a bum street fighter?

C'mon really? The current HW champ beat up old man Mercer years before he got in the cage. Choking is also illegal in boxing so I dont see the embarrassment in it, kinda like saying basketball was dealt a humiliating defeat when Jordan couldn't succeed at Baseball except Mercer isnt considered the greatest boxer ever.

kaps

03-06-2010, 03:53 AM

C'mon really? The current HW champ beat up old man Mercer years before he got in the cage. Choking is also illegal in boxing so I dont see the embarrassment in it, kinda like saying basketball was dealt a humiliating defeat when Jordan couldn't succeed at Baseball except Mercer isnt considered the greatest boxer ever.

So a lop gets beat by Mercer, and it's a humiliating defeat for MMA, but a street fighter who gets koed by jabs beats a former hw champ and it's not a humiliation?

Rudyo

03-06-2010, 05:07 AM

I actually think this will be good for Toney, he'll end up taking less punches and damage then if he continued boxing for a few years.

AKATheMack

03-06-2010, 04:07 PM

So a lop gets beat by Mercer, and it's a humiliating defeat for MMA, but a street fighter who gets koed by jabs beats a former hw champ and it's not a humiliation?

You would have more argument if Kimbo had knocked out Mercer, but he choked him out which relays in no way back to boxing. I enjoy MMA Im not here to say Mercer KOing Sylvia is horrible for the sport of MMA. An old boxer beating a former UFC HW Champion in a cage is more humiliating for MMA than a street fighter choking out a boxer in a cage. Sylvia was past prime though and kind of a big goofy ass to begin with.

Young Herschel

03-06-2010, 04:43 PM

Dana White should require James Toney to get his ass back in shape before alllowing Toney to have his UFC debut; Toney is not Nelson.

I actuallly beleive that if Toney takes this opportunity seriously he could make be quite an asset to the UFC middleweight division. There is no need to rush his debut; give Toney till December or January to develop his wrestling game and submission defense.

At barely 5'9 there is no way Toney should be permitted to fight above 185lbs and that is the weakest division in the entire UFC. Dana White should look at the big picture; Toney could be the gateway for more major UFC signees from other sports. It is possible with the right approach that Toney could make a successful climb up the UFC middleweight division next year. Toney need only get his fat ass back down to about 200 lbs; in seven or eight months of faithful MMA training he could get there properly.

A successful December/January UFC debut for James Toney at 185lbs should be the objective for Dana White. More $$$ and more mainstream sports coverage to further dwarf Strikeforces' Herschel Walker project :)

neils7147933

03-06-2010, 07:57 PM

Dana White is running out of marketable bouts for his programming, which has too many dates and not enough talent.

If he wanted to truly test an elite boxer into MMA, he'd solicit Kermit Cintron to fight in WEC or at 155. Hell, even signing Ricardo Mayorga would have been more credible than Toney.

UFC spent all this effort doing the 10-point must system, weight classes, making the sport look legitimate, and in the past year plus they are stepping back towards the company's beginnings for the sake of 'growing' while staying relevant.

Sounds like Dana's mad that Strikeforce got all the Herschel hype. He's even trying to schedule against their April 17 show.

Maybe he'll sign Jose Canseco next.........

Likely the next big step away from what Dana has always preached against will be to land a big-time women's fighter.......

neils7147933

03-06-2010, 07:59 PM

Toney wanted in the UFC not the other way around
Way more legitimate fighters have run their mouths about MMA. Why use Toney instead of Bernard Hopkins or Kurt Angle?

Maybe with that awful crop of 'talent' on the last Ultimate Fighter, he's just trying to distract that his heavyweight stable doesn't contain the best fighter on the planet?

Nodogoshi

03-06-2010, 11:44 PM

Blair_Wells#32

03-07-2010, 07:46 AM

the UFC Is running out of good fights??? have you seen the line up for the next few cards running through to july??? boxing clowns how many good cards do the boxing promoters have coming up til then? pretty much nothing :nonono: while the UFC is Stacked up til July.
The only Good Card Boxing had lined up was just a Mainevent fight but Mayweather turned into a ***** demanding this an that b4 it took place an screwed it up.
i've got nothing against boxing but the boxing fans who post here seem like insecure lil girls who are pissed cause they ain't developing as fast as the others in their group.

Clegg

03-07-2010, 07:57 AM

All of this boxing vs MMA stuff is stupid. If you only like one of the sports, then you probably shouldn't talk about the other one because chances are you lack the knowledge and understanding to discuss it intelligently.

Both sports have some great fights lined up, and the fact is that fighters like Toney, Mercer, Kimbo, Butterbean etc. are not at the top of either sport and never will be, regardless of past success.

The only issue I have with it is that it seems that the UFC are going more towards hype instead of substance, first with the Kimbo stuff and now Toney. What next, Pudzianowski vs Bob Sapp, with Mickey Rourke on the undercard?

Still, there are plenty of good fights to make up for the ones that I'm not too keen on.

phallus

03-07-2010, 06:32 PM

I actually think this will be good for Toney, he'll end up taking less punches and damage then if he continued boxing for a few years.

i just wish if he'd really wanted to do this he'd done it earlier, before he was 41, shot and punchy. also, he's gonna wish he'd spent some time in high school wrestling. i don't see anything good coming out of this

All of this boxing vs MMA stuff is stupid. If you only like one of the sports, then you probably shouldn't talk about the other one because chances are you lack the knowledge and understanding to discuss it intelligently.

Both sports have some great fights lined up, and the fact is that fighters like Toney, Mercer, Kimbo, Butterbean etc. are not at the top of either sport and never will be, regardless of past success.

The only issue I have with it is that it seems that the UFC are going more towards hype instead of substance, first with the Kimbo stuff and now Toney. What next, Pudzianowski vs Bob Sapp, with Mickey Rourke on the undercard?

Still, there are plenty of good fights to make up for the ones that I'm not too keen on.

james toney actually f.ucked up mickey rourke's face, sparring at the wild card gym, just for some interesting trivia

Clegg

03-07-2010, 06:42 PM

james toney actually f.ucked up mickey rourke's face, sparring at the wild card gym, just for some interesting trivia

Ha ha, didn't know that, heard the rumours of him getting knocked out by Monzon though. Did you see the sparring video of Toney and Danny Green from a few years back? Pretty entertaining stuff

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Young Herschel

03-08-2010, 01:14 PM

Toney will never see 185 again. Not happening. In the illogical case that he did he would be weight drained.

You would think that if Toney were serious about his health and this business opportunity to become relevant again he would commit himself to some hardcore MMA training and conditioning for several months. I don't believe that Toney can NOT lose his gut and get back to 200lbs. If he can get to 200lbs then he could make the dehydro cut for a pre-fight weigh-in at middleweight. Most MMA middleweights walk around at 200lbs right?

Remember James Toney is not Roy Nelson. He is accoustomed to making weight as a prizefighter and 185lbs is reasonable by the end of the year. He will be dwarfed and overwhelmed by the experience and talent of the UFC 205veterans; and Dana White and Joe Silva should be ashamed if they permit him to fight anytime in the near future. If Toney lived in a UFC-affiliated gym for months and denied himself the cheesesteaks and buffalo wings he COULD make a healthy 200lbs by December; hell I could :)

Middleweight or bust for James Toney. JT is 5'9 (barely) with no MMA experience; too short and 205 is too deep!!!

Nodogoshi

03-08-2010, 02:29 PM

You would think that if Toney were serious about his health and this business opportunity to become relevant again he would commit himself to some hardcore MMA training and conditioning for several months. I don't believe that Toney can NOT lose his gut and get back to 200lbs. If he can get to 200lbs then he could make the dehydro cut for a pre-fight weigh-in at middleweight. Most MMA middleweights walk around at 200lbs right?

Remember James Toney is not Roy Nelson. He is accoustomed to making weight as a prizefighter and 185lbs is reasonable by the end of the year. He will be dwarfed and overwhelmed by the experience and talent of the UFC 205veterans; and Dana White and Joe Silva should be ashamed if they permit him to fight anytime in the near future. If Toney lived in a UFC-affiliated gym for months and denied himself the cheesesteaks and buffalo wings he COULD make a healthy 200lbs by December; hell I could :)

Middleweight or bust for James Toney. JT is 5'9 (barely) with no MMA experience; too short and 205 is too deep!!!

I agree that 205 is too deep a pond for JT. That being said, the cruiserweight limit in boxing is a big stretch for Toney at this point. 185 is out of the question imo.

Even when he was fighting at 160 as a young gun, he was notoriously blowing up to 200 plus between fights.

Cuauhtémoc1520

03-08-2010, 02:35 PM

i want to see toney vs. liddell....come on dana!!

If Lidell stands, Tony KO's him in under 30 seconds.

Clegg

03-08-2010, 02:38 PM

Is Liddell-Ortiz III happening?

I know they're doing TUF, and usually the two coaches fight at the end of the series. Are they doing it that way this time?

Nodogoshi

03-08-2010, 03:01 PM

Is Liddell-Ortiz III happening?

I know they're doing TUF, and usually the two coaches fight at the end of the series. Are they doing it that way this time?
I'm not up enough on the UFC bull**** to actually give a ****, but it's my understanding that this is what's going on. Perhaps someone could fill us in.

Kakutogi-Gumi

03-08-2010, 03:54 PM

Tito/Liddell 3 will be in Vancouver on June...

...hopefully.

Forza

03-08-2010, 07:04 PM

GroundSt.Pound

03-08-2010, 07:19 PM

What good MMA fights are coming up? Mosely and mayweather are right around the corner....

Shogun/Machida 2
GSP/Hardy
Fedor/Werdum
Arlovski/Silva
Overeem/Rogers
Aldo/Faber
Cerrone/Henderson
Shields/Henderson
Mousasi/King Mo
Melendez/Aoki

Clegg

03-08-2010, 07:23 PM

Shogun/Machida 2
GSP/Hardy
Fedor/Werdum
Arlovski/Silva
Overeem/Rogers
Aldo/Faber
Cerrone/Henderson
Shields/Henderson
Mousasi/King Mo

I don't follow much MMA news, how come Rogers is getting the title shot instead of Fedor?

What is your prediction for Sheilds-Henderson?

GroundSt.Pound

03-08-2010, 07:58 PM

I don't follow much MMA news, how come Rogers is getting the title shot instead of Fedor?

No idea.

What is your prediction for Sheilds-Henderson?

I think if Dan can keep it standing he can put Shields to sleep, while Dan's takedown defense isn't that great, neither is Shields's wrestling.

It's really a toss up for me. I'd like to see Henderson win because I don't like Shields or anyone from Cesar Gracie.

F l i c k e r

03-08-2010, 08:07 PM

What good MMA fights are coming up? Mosely and mayweather are right around the corner....

So? Dana already stated that he wouldn't put a UFC card next to a boxing "super-fight".

Shogun/Machida 2
GSP/Hardy
Fedor/Werdum
Arlovski/Silva
Overeem/Rogers
Aldo/Faber
Cerrone/Henderson
Shields/Henderson
Mousasi/King Mo
Melendez/Aoki

Don't forget KenFlo-Gomi!!!

I can't believe Dana made that a fight night card. :nonono:

GroundSt.Pound

03-08-2010, 08:39 PM

So? Dana already stated that he wouldn't put a UFC card next to a boxing "super-fight".

Smart Idea.

Don't forget KenFlo-Gomi!!!

I can't believe Dana made that a fight night card. :nonono:

Why not? It's mother****ing free!

We get to see Gomi punch a guy IN THE FACE... FOR FREE!!!! :cool:

What's not to like? :D

kaps

03-08-2010, 09:04 PM

No idea.

I think if Dan can keep it standing he can put Shields to sleep, while Dan's takedown defense isn't that great, neither is Shields's wrestling.

It's really a toss up for me. I'd like to see Henderson win because I don't like Shields or anyone from Cesar Gracie.

What's your beef with Cesars? Everyone from that team with the exception of Sheilds brings it every time. Never a boring fight..

GroundSt.Pound

03-08-2010, 09:08 PM

What's your beef with Cesars? Everyone from that team with the exception of Sheilds brings it every time. Never a boring fight..

It's not the way they fight, it's just who they are.

I can't stand them.

Diaz Brothers
Shields
Conseco
Melendez

Ugh.....

The Underboss

03-08-2010, 09:09 PM

his fat juicy ass knew he had no chance in boxing.
lazy fat ass.

kaps

03-08-2010, 09:12 PM

It's not the way they fight, it's just who they are.

I can't stand them.

Diaz Brothers
Shields
Conseco
Melendez

Ugh.....

Diaz bros FTW!

I have to admit I am kinda biased being in the 209 and all. But Nick or Nate never have a boring fight. Melendez either. **** Sheilds and Conseco though...

GroundSt.Pound

03-08-2010, 09:18 PM

Diaz bros FTW!

I have to admit I am kinda biased being in the 209 and all. But Nick or Nate never have a boring fight. Melendez either. **** Sheilds and Conseco though...

Well Nates fight with Stevenson was pretty boring, but that wasn't his fault.

Again I'm not denything they are (for the most part) great, exciting fighters.

It's just the attitude, constant disrespect, flipping off crowds and fighters, the short fat obnoxious old guy in their corners during fights.

I just don't like them.

phallus

03-08-2010, 10:17 PM

I agree that 205 is too deep a pond for JT. That being said, the cruiserweight limit in boxing is a big stretch for Toney at this point. 185 is out of the question imo.

Even when he was fighting at 160 as a young gun, he was notoriously blowing up to 200 plus between fights.

yeah, when toney fought RJJ, he has to lose 24 lbs in 3 weeks to get down to 168. he was 215 as a high school football player before becoming a boxer

If Lidell stands, Tony KO's him in under 30 seconds.

lol, he would knock out chuck liddell though, that would be a funny fight to watch, james rolling and countering in front of the iceman

I don't follow much MMA news, how come Rogers is getting the title shot instead of Fedor?

because M-1 is trying to get more money out of scott coker, i'm guessing that's why rogers gets to lose to overeem. if rogers wins, fedor beats him again anyway

Snopkins

03-09-2010, 01:22 AM

It looks like WWE now has some direct competition with the UFC now.You can hardly tell a difference between the two products.WWE's feuds and rivalries may be a little more real and we don't know if the WWE wrestlers have glass jaws and are mentally weak like those within the UFC,but it's very similar.

I personally grew out of WWF wrestling a few years back,but it's great to see that the UFC has provided a new outlet for pro wrestling fans in their 20's and 30's.

Young Herschel

03-10-2010, 01:19 PM

Nodogoshi

03-10-2010, 02:00 PM

Joe Silva& Dana White should think long and hard about permitting James Toney to make a mokery of the UFC. Only a few years ago one would never see the UFC or any MMA on "Sportscenter" or covered in "'Sports Illustrated" for that matter. Now ths sport which they have helped sheperd into the realm of major sports news could take a big blow if the Toney MMA debut id mishandled. Toney is 5'9 with short arms. Given the state of affairs in the UFC middleweight division and Light Heavyweight division comparatively no reasonable, prudent MMA promoter would introduce him into the UFC at 205lbs.

Toney should be required to prove his commitment as a serious UFC MMA fighter by getting back into the best shape possible which I believe is no more than 200lbs for someone of his height; a healthy, everyday 200lbs too. Silva and White they set a course for December/January right now that would give Toney over eight months to lose the superfluous thirty or so pounds he is currently carrying on his out-of-shape physique.

UFC has to make the most of this business opportunity; if Toney makes his debut in December at 185lb then maybe he gets mauled by a Mark Munoz but maybe, just maybe after several months of heavy submission defense ala Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mr, Toney learns enough hold his own. It would give the casual observer a better impression on the state of affairs in the sport's premiere league - the NBA of MMA. That would be better for business overall than to put Toney in the cage this summer against a 205 pounder like Forrest Griffin for example which would make the sport and the UFC in particular look like 1994 IMHO.

Dude get over it. It's not going to happen. 205 is even a bit of a stretch.

On a side note, I for one am getting sick of the sideshow fights.

I actually have sympathy for freakshow fights when it comes to Japanese MMA (for better objectivity or for worse), as Japanese MMA is much more off the wall when it comes to matchmaking, and I feel that it actually relates to the Japanese martial arts tradition (and anime culture, as in the case of Jose Canseco and others) to set up wild fights. However the UFC and (to a lesser extent) strikeforce actually promote themselves as a legitimate sport, and then go and sign guys like Kimbo and Toney (and Walker in the case of Strikeforce).

It's not that I really give a **** at the end of the day, or that I am not interested in seeing a good freakshow fight. It's just that I wish they wouldn't pass these guys off as legitimate contenders.

In defense of strikeforce though, Walker hasn't been promoted as a contender, more as a top-notch athlete who wanted to try his hand at MMA (and for charity no less). The UFC on the other hand promotes themselves as the top proving ground, and then turn around and sign guys on the basis of popularity with no regards to skill. Let me just say, for the record, Kimbo is **** and Toney is a faded legend of boxing who has little to no chance of being successful in MMA.

And to qualify, I loved it when Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia. A 48 year old ex-heavyweight Champ kayoing a 2x UFC "champion," after having a good old switcheroo pulled on him in respect to the rules (it was intended to be a boxing match) was pure gold.

To be honest though, I would love to see Toney score a KO or two, and, on principle at least, I frankly don't give a **** about how his signing may affect the sport of MMA. I guess it's hypocrisy which I most despise in a situation such as this, and Dana White is a hypocritical piece of human waste imo.

He got lucky, that is all there is to it. And now, instead of having humility, he's a lying piece of ****, who will say anything in order to pad his false persona.

To close it out, one thing I can not stand is egomaniacs. Dana White uses his position to bolster his own ego, which is something I cannot stand. Yes he is a promoter, which pretty much inherently means he's a piece of ****. Still, Dana White has basically sought (and succeeded) to build a personality cult by leveraging his position as the "face" of the UFC.

Btw, I've had a couple.:beerchug:

Lakas

03-10-2010, 05:22 PM

Toney has a punchers chance against anybody in the UFC. But put him against a kick boxer and he's done. Leg kick him to death guarentee it

Young Herschel

03-10-2010, 05:51 PM

Is the UFC middleweight division really impossible for James Toney to compete in? Not this summer but by December, when they usually go for big ratings with a monster fight card? I believe it is MUCH, MUCH more viable for him to get back into serious shape with 8 months to prepare than to just say f**k it and just show up at fight freestyle at 220+ pounds next month.

James Toney is not normally a sloppy fat person with skills like Roy Nelson or Ironhead Heyward; he has a history preparing for weigh-ins but cutting water weight. He has to realize that this is his last legitimate shot at becoming "ESPN" relavant again.

1. Live, sleep, and eat in an UFC-affiliated MMA gym for the rest of 2010

2. Push away from the table - no cheesesteak hoagies or jumbo wings either

3. Show the world and your family and fans that you can make history!!!

Lakas

03-10-2010, 06:14 PM

Clegg

03-10-2010, 06:23 PM

Nodogoshi

03-11-2010, 06:22 AM

Forza

03-11-2010, 11:57 AM

toney will come in with a gut. If this was 10 years ago he could get in shape but not now. I still think he has a punchers chance against any MMA fighter.

Mr Boxing

03-11-2010, 12:50 PM

MMA and Boxing conflict, The better boxer will beat the average MMA champion.

But....the top MMA guys will also beat all the average boxing professionals and top amateurs. The fast handed and boxers with great footwork are the only ones who could overcome fighting under MMA rules.

H.O.P.E

03-11-2010, 01:08 PM

toney in mma.... thats pretty cool

Young Herschel

03-15-2010, 02:52 PM

Toney couldn't get into shape for a sport that he loved and dedicated his life too.

If Toney makes 185lbs and we're both still here then I will give you 500k Young Hershel. We'll call it a bet, my 500k vs your 0k. I think it's very, very unlikely that he gets down to 185, and even 205 would surprise me somewhat.

I watched James Toney over the weekend on "Inside MMA" He seems confident that he can fight in the UFC Heavyweight divison. He also seemed ego-driven on fighting serious competition hence his focus on the UFC and not some minor leagur promotion. I will state for thhe record here and now that if James Toney carries an rrogant attitude into the octagon and DOES NOT get back in serious shape he will get bent over by almost any UFC heavyweight on the current roster outside of Moustopha Al-Turk.

I am saying that if Joe Silva and Dana White DO NOT mandate that JT spend several months training in an UFC affiliated gym and developing adequate wresting skills before permitting him to make his UFC debut then James Toney will have his cheeks taken without any K-Y jelly. It is that simple; he just seemed too smug on "Inside MMA" so I think that JT is going too be hard-headed about this. He wlll not train seriously like Herschel Walker didi; he embarass himself with a first round stoppage against nearly any UFC heavyweight.

I, too acknowledge that James Toney will not make 185lbs, but not because he cannot but merely because of his attitude towards this new chapter to his athletic career. Put JT in a Puerto Rican prison like Al Sharpton in summer 2001 and watch the pounds fall off; he just doesn't seem have the desire or willpower to become a cross-over sportsstar in the premiere league of MMA right now :(