Which fight over the years has mean't the most to you? Not particularly the BEST fight you've seen!

Example:

For me it has to be Lennox Lewis vs Hasim Rahman II, because I've always been a huge Lennox Lewis fan, and I felt like Rahman stolen those belts off Lewis in South Africa.

The re-match couldn't have gone better, not only did Lewis prove his point - (That HE was the BEST heavyweight in the World), he did it in devistating fashion.

How about you lot?

Lewis-Rahman 1, because I always thought Lewis a jabbing whore with a glass chin and the only reason he was champ was because the hw div didn't have any decent contenders. Rahman proved Lewis nothing special in an era of mediocrity when he KTFO Lewis with that one punch.

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Lewis-Rahman 1, because I always thought Lewis a jabbing whore with a glass chin and the only reason he was champ was because the hw div didn't have any decent contenders. Rahman proved Lewis nothing special in an era of mediocrity when he KTFO Lewis with that one punch.


great post lennox lewis sucks

Martin...

Is "mean't" an English spelling of the word? In the US, it's used without the ' because it isn't a literal contraction.

By the way, I'm just curious, not being a smartass or trying to correct your English.

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Also, good Karma for that...'cause it's funny, cool, and serves the public :D

thepretender had a great post in this thread u should read it

Martin...

Is "mean't" an English spelling of the word? In the US, it's used without the ' because it isn't a literal contraction.

By the way, I'm just curious, not being a smartass or trying to correct your English.
Cheers for pointing that out... But it's my spelling error! :o

For me it was Jones-Tarver I. I felt nervous about the fight as it started. Jones didn't look so hot at the weigh-in and seemed really pensive. It was important to me because he showed a lot of grit and heart to pull out the win. Merk asked for the championship rounds "big" and that's what he got.

I remember Lampley saying, "That's big."

Barrera-Morales 1 and 2 meant the most to me, during fight #1 i had a huge party at the frat house, and everyone got to see how competitive the lighter-weight fights can actually be (before that night, all of the "know-it-all's" said that featherweight fights are always boring becuase they're never violent)....the rematch meant even more, because me and 3 of my bro's took a road trip to Vegas to see the fight, and even though it wasn't nearly as thrilling as #1, it was an awesome atmosphere in the MGM and my buddies became fight fans (& Barrera fans) 4 life....

Lewis-Tyson comes in 2nd, simply because I made mucho dinero for betting on Lennox with all of my buddies who were Tyson fanatics

Lewis-Tyson comes in 2nd, simply because I made mucho dinero for betting on Lennox with all of my buddies who were Tyson fanatics
Yeah man!... I made loads of money betting on that fight too! ...LOL!...

All the old guy's in the pub that know everything about everything were saying, "Tyson will KILL! Lewis"... And I just said, "care to put your money where your mouth is?"... Of course they couldn't back down coz' of their pride... And I cleaned up!

... LOL!...

Yeah man!... I made loads of money betting on that fight too! ...LOL!...

All the old guy's in the pub that know everything about everything were saying, "Tyson will KILL! Lewis"... And I just said, "care to put your money where your mouth is?"... Of course they couldn't back down coz' of their pride... And I cleaned up!

... LOL!...
did you see the Legenday nights episode about Lewis-Tyson? Manny Steward hit the nail on the head when he talked about the "word on the streets" was that "yo man, Mike is back, he's just too much man for Lennox"....those were the EXACT sentiments of about 80% of my buddies who came by for the fight, I was giving 2 to 1 odds to everyone (either my $10 vs. your $5, or my $20 vs. your $10), and I think I made close to 100 bucks, which paid for the keg :)

did you see the Legenday nights episode about Lewis-Tyson? Manny Steward hit the nail on the head when he talked about the "word on the streets" was that "yo man, Mike is back, he's just too much man for Lennox"....those were the EXACT sentiments of about 80% of my buddies who came by for the fight, I was giving 2 to 1 odds to everyone (either my $10 vs. your $5, or my $20 vs. your $10), and I think I made close to 100 bucks, which paid for the keg :)
Yep... That sounds about right!... But everyone in boxing circles knew it was a little bit of a miss-match. :o

Which fight over the years has mean't the most to you? Not particularly the BEST fight you've seen!

Example:

For me it has to be Lennox Lewis vs Hasim Rahman II, because I've always been a huge Lennox Lewis fan, and I felt like Rahman stolen those belts off Lewis in South Africa.

The re-match couldn't have gone better, not only did Lewis prove his point - (That HE was the BEST heavyweight in the World), he did it in devistating fashion.

How about you lot?

I agree with you about Lewis for sure. And after that (in order of importance to me anyway) it would be Tarver-Jones 2, cause I still think that at best Jones deserved a draw in their first fight. As for the fight that meant the most to me 'recently' it would easily be the Morales-Pacquiao match up. Erik needed that win, and an impressive win at that after losing to Barrera. The fact that Barrera had recently been completely dismantled by Pac made Erik's victory even sweeter. A great fight, and a great win for Erik !

W. Klitschko - Sanders
I was devastated!

Hagler vs. Hearns, it was the first ppv fight I saw and probabaly one of the best. This fight made me take notice of the lower wight divisions.

I agree with you about Lewis for sure. And after that (in order of importance to me anyway) it would be Tarver-Jones 2, cause I still think that at best Jones deserved a draw in their first fight. As for the fight that meant the most to me 'recently' it would easily be the Morales-Pacquiao match up. Erik needed that win, and an impressive win at that after losing to Barrera. The fact that Barrera had recently been completely dismantled by Pac made Erik's victory even sweeter. A great fight, and a great win for Erik !
It's funny that... Coz' actually enjoyed the Morales -v- Pacquiao fight more than the Corrales -v- Castillo fight.

Morales -v- Pacquiao was awesome!... (We already knew it about Morales) - But Pacquiao showed the World what a warrior he can be that night!

great post lennox lewis sucks

Yeah I mean, how did Lewis prove himself? Beating a shot Holyfield? A shot Tyson? The latter ironically being the highlight acheivement of his career? Wow, whats that say about Lewis since Danny Williams also has a Tyson KO highlight. All the great fighters of the 1980s and early 1990s were retired or shot, and when the only really promising fighter in Vitali began to come into the seen, Lewis was quick to retire after a controversial stoppage where Vitali was beating Lewis.

Lewis' legacy is rightfully questioned because he is unproven.

W. Klitschko - Sanders
I was devastated!
Yeah... I was kinda shocked to see Wlad go down so heavily!

It's funny that... Coz' actually enjoyed the Morales -v- Pacquiao fight more than the Corrales -v- Castillo fight.

Morales -v- Pacquiao was awesome!... (We already knew it about Morales) - But Pacquiao showed the World what a warrior he can be that night!

Oh yeah, Pac definately stayed tough and hung in there! Morales was just way too much for him. Theres no shame really in losing to Morales for Pac though cause many have, and I'm sure many more will before he retires

Lewis-Rahman 1, because I always thought Lewis a jabbing whore with a glass chin and the only reason he was champ was because the hw div didn't have any decent contenders. Rahman proved Lewis nothing special in an era of mediocrity when he KTFO Lewis with that one punch.
i'm not a massive lewis fan but i do realize the guy had a lot of skills, he wasn't just a jabber, he was a puncher boxer, he could jab he could move counterpunch, he had a very good uppercut which was his best punch, and most of all he was an athlete, he moved well for a guy his size,also this ''glass chin'' thing is rubbish, he was caught with a blind punch by oliver McCall, and he didn't take the Rahman fight seriously, lewis took a few good punches in his career without being knocked out

i'm not a massive lewis fan but i do realize the guy had a lot of skills, he wasn't just a jabber, he was a puncher boxer, he could jab he could move counterpunch, he had a very good uppercut which was his best punch, and most of all he was an athlete, he moved well for a guy his size,also this ''glass chin'' thing is rubbish, he was caught with a blind punch by oliver McCall, and he didn't take the Rahman fight seriously, lewis took a few good punches in his career without being knocked out

thank you , very much! To hear all the negative talk about him and his lack of skills is just nonsense. Those 'lack of skills' won him a gold medal in the Olympics, and they have high standards. This supposedly "shot" Tyson was heavily favored to beat Lewis, yet he got ko'ed instead. It's a shame when a fighter gets caught with just the right punch and goes down he's automatically labeled with a 'glass chin'..and it's coming from the guy that posted just yesterday ?? that ANY fighter can get ko'ed if hit with just the right punch, etc. I guess that rule only applies to Ruiz though :rolleyes:

i'm not a massive lewis fan but i do realize the guy had a lot of skills, he wasn't just a jabber, he was a puncher boxer, he could jab he could move counterpunch, he had a very good uppercut which was his best punch, and most of all he was an athlete, he moved well for a guy his size,also this ''glass chin'' thing is rubbish, he was caught with a blind punch by oliver McCall, and he didn't take the Rahman fight seriously, lewis took a few good punches in his career without being knocked out.

thank you , very much! To hear all the negative talk about him and his lack of skills is just nonsense. Those 'lack of skills' won him a gold medal in the Olympics, and they have high standards. This supposedly "shot" Tyson was heavily favored to beat Lewis, yet he got ko'ed instead. It's a shame when a fighter gets caught with just the right punch and goes down he's automatically labeled with a 'glass chin'..and it's coming from the guy that posted just yesterday ?? that ANY fighter can get ko'ed if hit with just the right punch, etc. I guess that rule only applies to Ruiz though :rolleyes:
Guys... Just ignore any posts from "The Pretender". He's simply trying to get a rise out of people.

There's no point in arguing with him, coz' he'll just say stupid things that'll annoy you... He's best off IGNORED.

Yeah I mean, how did Lewis prove himself? Beating a shot Holyfield? A shot Tyson? The latter ironically being the highlight acheivement of his career? Wow, whats that say about Lewis since Danny Williams also has a Tyson KO highlight. All the great fighters of the 1980s and early 1990s were retired or shot, and when the only really promising fighter in Vitali began to come into the seen, Lewis was quick to retire after a controversial stoppage where Vitali was beating Lewis.

Lewis' legacy is rightfully questioned because he is unproven.


You do realize that the Tyson fight with Lewis happened many, many yr's before the fight with Williams, right? IF Tyson was so shot then, it's amazing he's even walking now!
Do you remember Ruiz's fight with Tua? Sure you do, cause when you were recently reminded of it, YOU were the one that posted tha ANY fighter can get ko'ed if hit just right, etc. But you label Lewis with a 'glass jaw'...thats a double standard.
Atleast, ATLEAST Lewis avenged both ko's, while Ruiz never got back in with tua

Guys... Just ignore any posts from "The Pretender". He's simply trying to get a rise out of people.

There's no point in arguing with him, coz' he'll just say stupid things that'll annoy you... He's best off IGNORED.

Lol, I would, but I've only got one person on my ignore list, and I'm trying very, VERY hard to keep it that way! :D

Lol, I would, but I've only got one person on my ignore list, and I'm trying very, VERY hard to keep it that way! :D
Tracylee... I think that if the pretender keeps on going the way he's going, he'll end up getting banned from boxingscene anyway.

:dunno:

Tracylee... I think that if the pretender keeps on going the way he's going, he'll end up getting banned from boxingscene anyway.

:dunno:

Honestly man, I doubt it. He's supporting his favorite fighter..no matter how outrageously rediculous some of his posts about Ruiz are, he's still not insulting others quite as badly as some of the other posters have, and they didnt get banned. I just dont see Rick banning him for worshipping Ruiz. Some of the things I've read in the yr. I've been here have been very bad, and all those people are still around. :confused:

Honestly man, I doubt it. He's supporting his favorite fighter..no matter how outrageously rediculous some of his posts about Ruiz are, he's still not insulting others quite as badly as some of the other posters have, and they didnt get banned. I just dont see Rick banning him for worshipping Ruiz. Some of the things I've read in the yr. I've been here have been very bad, and all those people are still around. :confused:
thats very true, he makes some silly comments, and trys to be a wind up merchant, but there's nothing really offensive in his posts, i've seen a lot worse in this forum, and those guys are still around, the pretender is pretty funny sometimes anyway

thats very true, he makes some silly comments, and trys to be a wind up merchant, but there's nothing really offensive in his posts, i've seen a lot worse in this forum, and those guys are still around, the pretender is pretty funny sometimes anyway

Exactly! He may be a bit delusional, but he's not really offensive about it. (God help him...he'll come around evuentally! :D )

i'm not a massive lewis fan but i do realize the guy had a lot of skills, he wasn't just a jabber, he was a puncher boxer, he could jab he could move counterpunch, he had a very good uppercut which was his best punch, and most of all he was an athlete, he moved well for a guy his size,also this ''glass chin'' thing is rubbish, he was caught with a blind punch by oliver McCall, and he didn't take the Rahman fight seriously, lewis took a few good punches in his career without being knocked out

I don't deny that Lewis got skills, but a legend? No way! Before he retired and was undisputed champ the conventional wisdom among most boxing publications was: so what? Lewis ruling the division among the weakest selection of contenders seen in 30 years! How convenient he packs up his bags and leaves town just when Vitali gave him his hardest fight and just entering his prime? Now we will never know if Lewis was truly a great among greats or just a great among bums...because he ducked his biggest challenge to settle what was widely seen as a controversial stoppage!

For me it has to be Tszyu-Chavez(I was a fan of both fighters and it really hurted me seeing one of them getting beat up so badly)
Second spot has to be Lewis-Tyson. Man my whole HS at that time was screaming how Tyson is back and Lewis is glass chinned coward. And I was a big Lewis fan at that time(I still am but a bit less a fan of Lewis). And I was really ecstatic when I saw Lewis murder Tyson a la Tszyu-Mitchell 2. There was nothing Tyson could do to Lewis. He looked like an amateur. That really warmed my heart. Lewis is truly an all time great fighter Even though I am a big fan of Klit brathers I can admit that Lewis beat my man Vitaly that time. IMO that was his greatest victory in his career.
Wlad-Sanders. I literally fell these punches on my chin, thats how I was devastated seeing Wlad go down.

I don't deny that Lewis got skills, but a legend? No way! Before he retired and was undisputed champ the conventional wisdom among most boxing publications was: so what? Lewis ruling the division among the weakest selection of contenders seen in 30 years! How convenient he packs up his bags and leaves town just when Vitali gave him his hardest fight and just entering his prime? Now we will never know if Lewis was truly a great among greats or just a great among bums...because he ducked his biggest challenge to settle what was widely seen as a controversial stoppage!

Lewis owned Tua, Tua owned Ruiz..

thank you , very much! To hear all the negative talk about him and his lack of skills is just nonsense. Those 'lack of skills' won him a gold medal in the Olympics, and they have high standards. This supposedly "shot" Tyson was heavily favored to beat Lewis, yet he got ko'ed instead. It's a shame when a fighter gets caught with just the right punch and goes down he's automatically labeled with a 'glass chin'..and it's coming from the guy that posted just yesterday ?? that ANY fighter can get ko'ed if hit with just the right punch, etc. I guess that rule only applies to Ruiz though :rolleyes:

No that's not the same thing. I was talking about FREAK knockouts, and you know it. Like that Tua KO of Ruiz in under 30 seconds. In hw division ANYONE can be KO at any point if the punch lands just right. Sometimes people just get lucky. If Tua did that again in a rematch then ok I'd admit that's not luck. But until that day...

And Lewis as already stated got KO by two fighters, McCall and Rahman by one good punch. Lewis such a good jabber and good defenseive skills that he largely avoided having his chin tested throughout his whole careers. He hardly ever was rocked with a shot like those two because most of his opponents couldnt penetrate his defense or just didnt have power.

Look what happened to another "legend" in Roy Jones once his great defensive skills, speed, and footwork began to fail him. He gets KTFO by two great single punches as well. Thats why we see now that RJJ has a suspect chin, and like Lewis many say RJJ record is padded with a bunch of nobodies as well. However, those divisions were far superior than the hw contenders of Lewis' era.

The PRetender is on my banned list. Please stop replying to his posts. It only encourages him to post even more bull****.

You do realize that the Tyson fight with Lewis happened many, many yr's before the fight with Williams, right? IF Tyson was so shot then, it's amazing he's even walking now!
Do you remember Ruiz's fight with Tua? Sure you do, cause when you were recently reminded of it, YOU were the one that posted tha ANY fighter can get ko'ed if hit just right, etc. But you label Lewis with a 'glass jaw'...thats a double standard.
Atleast, ATLEAST Lewis avenged both ko's, while Ruiz never got back in with tua

Again this not even the same thing. Tyson been shot since he got out of prison and you know that. His only victories since 1996 been against bums and journeymen to set him up for title fights because he draws crowds on controversy. Tyson is still "walking now" because he has the longevity of Ruiz...he never seems to leave the ring whether you want him to or not, the difference being Ruiz actually wins title fights.

And dont tell me Ruiz got a suspect chin. Everyone knows Ruiz gets beat the crap out of him in most of his fights yet still manages to fight on. Tua was a one time incident...has it happened since? No.

Yeah I mean, how did Lewis prove himself? Beating a shot Holyfield? A shot Tyson? The latter ironically being the highlight acheivement of his career? Wow, whats that say about Lewis since Danny Williams also has a Tyson KO highlight. All the great fighters of the 1980s and early 1990s were retired or shot, and when the only really promising fighter in Vitali began to come into the seen, Lewis was quick to retire after a controversial stoppage where Vitali was beating Lewis.

Lewis' legacy is rightfully questioned because he is unproven.

Thats BS frankly.

Lewis was coming on strong against VK - and the guys eye was absolutely ****ed-so how can you say it was controversial.

For ****s sake Lennox beat all comers for nigh on ten years and all you boys from across the water can do is diss him

Yet Nard has done similar and most of you Nuthug him.......

martin...

I really think this is a good thread,props to you for that, but man, I think you are truly gimped for putting that pic of hatton up as your avatar.. lol :P well hopefully you'll bet on him and make the odds better for me because I know tszyu is gonna **** him up in round one like he stole his mom's purse in church. hattons just an unmotivated fatass that only trains 3months before big fights.he's worse than james toney in this aspect. we all saw the double chin.

great fighters train 24/7,365days a year, ray leonard,pryor,hagler,hearns,george foreman,ali,holmes,chavez, these guys trained every day, hard..there wasnt any ****ing around. hagler easily being the most dedicated.

and it's obvious you only like him because he's a white undefeated fighter. if you know as much about the sport as you claim then you know his opposition up to this point has been absolutely gimped. yet you put him up on your avatar. no big deal i suppose, boxing is a racial sport, poles support golata, latins love tito-cotto etc. I'm not like that at all, I look past the skin tone and like the fighters for 1. their character 2.how they fight 3.their opposition.


my pick is Corely Cotto. this fight meant a ton to me because it was cotto's "coming out" fight, and I knew corely was gonna give it everything so I was sooooo waiting for this fight. everyone was in the dark about what corely would bring to cotto, but I knew after watching him vs Mayweather(best in the world) he'd **** over cotto. that was a damn good fight up until that piece'o'**** latin ref stopped the fight :(

ps- the elephant ****ing the van was one of the best avvies ive seen in awhile,shoulda left that up

martin...

I really think this is a good thread,props to you for that, but man, I think you are truly gimped for putting that pic of hatton up as your avatar.. lol :P well hopefully you'll bet on him and make the odds better for me because I know tszyu is gonna **** him up in round one like he stole his mom's purse in church. hattons just an unmotivated fatass that only trains 3months before big fights.he's worse than james toney in this aspect. we all saw the double chin.

great fighters train 24/7,365days a year, ray leonard,pryor,hagler,hearns,george foreman,ali,holmes,chavez, these guys trained every day, hard..there wasnt any ****ing around. hagler easily being the most dedicated.

and it's obvious you only like him because he's a white undefeated fighter. if you know as much about the sport as you claim then you know his opposition up to this point has been absolutely gimped. yet you put him up on your avatar. no big deal i suppose, boxing is a racial sport, poles support golata, latins love tito-cotto etc. I'm not like that at all, I look past the skin tone and like the fighters for 1. their character 2.how they fight 3.their opposition.


my pick is Corely Cotto. this fight meant a ton to me because it was cotto's "coming out" fight, and I knew corely was gonna give it everything so I was sooooo waiting for this fight. everyone was in the dark about what corely would bring to cotto, but I knew after watching him vs Mayweather(best in the world) he'd **** over cotto. that was a damn good fight up until that piece'o'**** latin ref stopped the fight :(

ps- the elephant ****ing the van was one of the best avvies ive seen in awhile,shoulda left that up

Honestly, why do you care so much if Martin likes Hatton?

It's not like he can't like a fighter cuz they come from his hometown....

Thats BS frankly.

Lewis was coming on strong against VK - and the guys eye was absolutely ****ed-so how can you say it was controversial.

For ****s sake Lennox beat all comers for nigh on ten years and all you boys from across the water can do is diss him

Yet Nard has done similar and most of you Nuthug him.......

How about all the nice things I said about Lewis? I said he got great skills, a great jabber and great defense. I just don't think he had a lot of competition in his prime. I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Surely you cant say he ruled a generation such as Ali's or Foreman's!

And for you info, I'm not a Hopkins fan because I dont like his fight style. And besides that, the generation of contenders HE ruled was far superior compared to Lewis'...no comparison there.

I don't deny that Lewis got skills, but a legend? No way! Before he retired and was undisputed champ the conventional wisdom among most boxing publications was: so what? Lewis ruling the division among the weakest selection of contenders seen in 30 years! How convenient he packs up his bags and leaves town just when Vitali gave him his hardest fight and just entering his prime? Now we will never know if Lewis was truly a great among greats or just a great among bums...because he ducked his biggest challenge to settle what was widely seen as a controversial stoppage!

Oh, so now it's a question of wether he's a legend, instead of wether he has any skill or not? Do you honestly believe Ruiz is a legend?? With the shape the hv. wt. division is in right now, and he cant beat someone without hugging them to death? How you can consider Ruiz 'the greatest' and Lewis not very, very good has to be total bias and/or hate toward Lewis. That alone is a complete contradiction.

Oh, so now it's a question of wether he's a legend, instead of wether he has any skill or not? Do you honestly believe Ruiz is a legend?? With the shape the hv. wt. division is in right now, and he cant beat someone without hugging them to death? How you can consider Ruiz 'the greatest' and Lewis not very, very good has to be total bias and/or hate toward Lewis. That alone is a complete contradiction.

I always said Lewis got skills though I dont care for his style. Ruiz is no legend but he could be since he is only 33 and the division is weak. Maybe not legend but he can be a hall of famer is he makes more groundbreaking accomplishments. Like if Toney still had the belt and Ruiz came back to win it a 3rd time, that'd put him up there with a handful of HWs to ever do that. Or if Golota wins this fight tomorrow then if theres a rematch to unify with Ruiz, then Ruiz could hold two belts, another first for latino HW.

Lewis ruled a weak division all I'm saying.

Again this not even the same thing. Tyson been shot since he got out of prison and you know that. His only victories since 1996 been against bums and journeymen to set him up for title fights because he draws crowds on controversy. Tyson is still "walking now" because he has the longevity of Ruiz...he never seems to leave the ring whether you want him to or not, the difference being Ruiz actually wins title fights.

And dont tell me Ruiz got a suspect chin. Everyone knows Ruiz gets beat the crap out of him in most of his fights yet still manages to fight on. Tua was a one time incident...has it happened since? No.

And I know it?? Please, justify why youre right all you want, and why Ruiz is the gift to boxing all you want, and that Lewis was a joke all you want, but DONT tell me what I know! I know that youre grasping straws and splitting hairs, and nobody is buying it but you. Lewis was a great man, fighter and champion. Those are the facts. Just cause youre so hooked on ruiz (of all people) and hate Lewis, or whatever, doesnt mean you can have it all 'both ways'...come on man.

Honestly, why do you care so much if Martin likes Hatton?

It's not like he can't like a fighter cuz they come from his hometown....

For real..and what the hell does it have to do with him being white?? Why does everything get turned into a race issue? :rolleyes:

How's Lewis "a great man"? What's he done outside the ring?

Compare Lewis official photo album here: http://lennoxlewis.allsportgallery.co.uk/

to Ruiz official photo album here: http://www.johnquietmanruiz.com/gallery/index.php

Lewis is all about him being a self-worshipping ego maniac. His pics are all about how great he thinks he is and dont show anything about himself as a person to his fans. He just tells them "look at how great I am".

Compare that to Ruiz who 2/3 of his pics show him and his family and closest friends. He shows moments that mean a lot to him and shares them with his fans. He actually opens himself up to people he doesnt even know. He's just a better person and the better man outside the ring than Lewis.

martin...

I really think this is a good thread,props to you for that, but man, I think you are truly gimped for putting that pic of hatton up as your avatar.. lol :P well hopefully you'll bet on him and make the odds better for me because I know tszyu is gonna **** him up in round one like he stole his mom's purse in church. hattons just an unmotivated fatass that only trains 3months before big fights.he's worse than james toney in this aspect. we all saw the double chin.

great fighters train 24/7,365days a year, ray leonard,pryor,hagler,hearns,george foreman,ali,holmes,chavez, these guys trained every day, hard..there wasnt any ****ing around. hagler easily being the most dedicated.
Ricky boy set's a blistering pace for 3 minutes of all 12 rounds! He never turns up out of shape... That's what matters. People's bodies are different, different training methods work for different fighters.
and it's obvious you only like him because he's a white undefeated fighter. if you know as much about the sport as you claim then you know his opposition up to this point has been absolutely gimped. yet you put him up on your avatar. no big deal i suppose, boxing is a racial sport, poles support golata, latins love tito-cotto etc. I'm not like that at all, I look past the skin tone and like the fighters for 1. their character 2.how they fight 3.their opposition.
That is a very ignorant comment... I come from the UK but do you know where my family line come from? What has Ricky Hatton being "White" got to do with anything? D'you know what religion I am? I like Ricky Hatton because 1. His character. We need more honest, intelligent, good guy's like Ricky Hatton in the Sport. (Unlike Juiced up Toney's!). 2. how they fight - I would say Ricky Hatton is possibly the most exciting fighter in the World at the moment... Name me another fighter that can sell 25,000 seats every fight! His body punching all out aggresive style is VERY exciting! 3. Have a look at the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO rankings and see where Ricky is. He's there because he fought Michael Stewert (not too shaby for Shamba), Ray Oliviera (Beat Vivian Harris) Tackie shortly after both Tszyu and Mithcell beat him... And Ricky has got himself into a mandatory position!

my pick is Corely Cotto. this fight meant a ton to me because it was cotto's "coming out" fight, and I knew corely was gonna give it everything so I was sooooo waiting for this fight. everyone was in the dark about what corely would bring to cotto, but I knew after watching him vs Mayweather(best in the world) he'd **** over cotto. that was a damn good fight up until that piece'o'**** latin ref stopped the fight :(

ps- the elephant ****ing the van was one of the best avvies ive seen in awhile,shoulda left that up

I don't understand this last one?.. You're copying my posts?

- I genuinly believe that Cotto is the Best 140lb fighter today, And this is coming from a BIG Ricky Hatton fan!

I'd favour Cotto over any fighter at 140lbs, yep that includes both Mayweather and Tszyu!

And the Corley fight was the BEST thing that could have happened to him... He know's he's not invinsable now, and he dealt with adversity in excellent style. He didn't panic... He just took his time to clear his head.


- As I stated above... I think Miguel Cotto is the best 140lb fighter in the World today. (And this is coming from a Ricky Hatton).

I never have, and would NEVER say that Kostya Tszyu is just a paper champ!

He's in my top 10 P4P list!!! But "YES" ... I have rated Cotto above him, and by doing that, I think that Cotto would beat him.

AND...


I'm gonna stand out on a limb - But I reckon Cotto is the BEST at 140lbs.

I don't think he was exposed by Chop Chop, in fact... I think that fight has made him stronger, I believe he'll now realise that he's not invinsible, and will be a little more carefull coming in throwing the big shots.

I was also VERY impressed with the way that he dealt with adversity... (Yeah I know, Corley did a **** job of trying to finish him when he had him hurt).

I think Cotto would be too BIG and too STRONG for Mayweather, and Cotto would get out-boxed etc at the begining, but Cotto would catch up with Mayweather and stop him from rounds 7-11.

That's my opinion, but the way I see it, If Corley was able to hurt Mayweather then Cotto will DEFINATLY be able to hurt Mayweather!

Personally I think that Mayweather shouldn't be fighting at 140lb, he's too small!... He'd be the king if he moved back down to Lightweight.

What's your point?

How's Lewis "a great man"? What's he done outside the ring?

Oh thats easy...he didnt sully and soil the sport by being a wife beating, crowd intimidating thug. He has more class in his little finger than most of the fighters combined. He didnt have to give to charity, save the dolphins and lower the gas prices to be a 'great man'. Just having some class and knowing how to behave in public qualify him for that.

Oh thats easy...he didnt sully and soil the sport by being a wife beating, crowd intimidating thug. He has more class in his little finger than most of the fighters combined. He didnt have to give to charity, save the dolphins and lower the gas prices to be a 'great man'. Just having some class and knowing how to behave in public qualify him for that.

Oh, not beating your wife qualifies you for being "a great man"? Wow we have lowered the bar for role models today! He may not have given two ****s about anyone other than #1 but hey at least he got "class"!

See my post above again after I added something.

ps- the elephant ****ing the van was one of the best avvies ive seen in awhile,shoulda left that up
By the way... It wasn't an elephant it was a Rhino.

Discovery and National Geographic channels... Give them a go!

Oh, not beating your wife qualifies you for being "a great man"? Wow we have lowered the bar for role models today! He may not have given two ****s about anyone other than #1 but hey at least he got "class"!

See my post above again after I added something.

Gee, was that all I said?? NO, but by all means, use only part of my post if it will help prove your point to you anyway :rolleyes:

Which fight over the years has mean't the most to you? Not particularly the BEST fight you've seen!

How about you lot?
For me it was the April 6 televised (free!) showing of Leonard-Hagler on ABC's "Wide World of Sports". At this point in his career of ass-whoopin', Hagler was fighting once a year, but had KO'd Hearns, Mugbi and then picked Leonard.

The fight has great meaning because it was the last we saw of Hagler, but also because ihis departure was the end of an era, Man. When have we seen anything in boxing as exciting as that, for free! The 80's spoiled every fight fan, even a kid like me.

Mancini-Frias
Holmes-Cooney
Hagler-Hearns
DeLaHoya-Vargas
Douglas-Tyson
Foreman-Moorer

lewis-klitschko ill never forget that morning.

it started so great and i was so pissed when the doc stopped it.

I think that's funny what you bring up about Lewis' chin Tracy, because I have a hard time seeing you give the same respect to Roy Jones in that regard. Let's see how genuine you are.

(BTW, rounds are scored on effective aggression, ring generalship, defense, and clean punching...Tarver lost the 1st fight, period)

For me it was Jones-Tarver I. I felt nervous about the fight as it started. Jones didn't look so hot at the weigh-in and seemed really pensive. It was important to me because he showed a lot of grit and heart to pull out the win. Merk asked for the championship rounds "big" and that's what he got.

I remember Lampley saying, "That's big."

cosigns...

I'm a Hatton fan myself....lots of action, constant pressure, great body puncher, undefeated....what's not to like? Everyone has a right to a "favorite" fighter. I'm a casual fan of most fighters, but there are a few that I'm pretty partial to. Mormeck is one, so is Vitali Klitchko, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, Kostya Tszyu, and a few others. Why just like one or two fighters? Like 'em all. You'll enjoy almost every fight you watch alot more :)

How about all the nice things I said about Lewis? I said he got great skills, a great jabber and great defense. I just don't think he had a lot of competition in his prime. I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Surely you cant say he ruled a generation such as Ali's or Foreman's!

And for you info, I'm not a Hopkins fan because I dont like his fight style. And besides that, the generation of contenders HE ruled was far superior compared to Lewis'...no comparison there.

Thats so untrue its funny.

Nard's era was/is absoultely garbage, his two signature fights coming against blown up welters. You are definately correct in saying that Lewis's era was poor though, but at the end of the day he faught till he was 38. He CANNOT keep fighting till he is 50 just so he gets whooped by some up and comer just to satisfy the likes of you.

He fought the best for 10 years and won(although that isnt saying much). We will never know about a prime LL v VK, we will just have to speculate, the same as we have to with ALI v Tyson etc etc. Get over it.

barerra vs. pacquiao... means alot to me being a fellow filipino...seeing one ours beating one of the best in the world in his division...

I think that's funny what you bring up about Lewis' chin Tracy, because I have a hard time seeing you give the same respect to Roy Jones in that regard. Let's see how genuine you are.

(BTW, rounds are scored on effective aggression, ring generalship, defense, and clean punching...Tarver lost the 1st fight, period)

According to the judges and his fan base, yes, he won. According to countless commentators and several boxing mag's, no, he didnt. I've argued that fight til it's a dead horse, so dont see any point in doing it again. I'm not sure what youre talking about in me showing Jones the same respect over a weak chin. :confused: I dont remember saying he had one..If I did, then I've simply forgotten it. Not trying to dodge it, I just dont remember ever posting that.

From a totally un-biased opinion, Roy Jones WON the 1st fight. I'm a big Tarver fan too, but Antonio tried to steal alot of the rounds with his 30 second flurries while Jones was pressed against the ropes. In the championship rounds, Roy def stepped up his game and while Antonio could have "sealed the deal" he didn't.

Thats so untrue its funny.

Nard's era was/is absoultely garbage, his two signature fights coming against blown up welters. You are definately correct in saying that Lewis's era was poor though, but at the end of the day he faught till he was 38. He CANNOT keep fighting till he is 50 just so he gets whooped by some up and comer just to satisfy the likes of you.

He fought the best for 10 years and won(although that isnt saying much). We will never know about a prime LL v VK, we will just have to speculate, the same as we have to with ALI v Tyson etc etc. Get over it.

Bernard ruled his class far longer than Lewis did. AND he did it with a far longer undefeated streak. And 38? Bernard's 40. Hell Foreman came back and won a belt again at 49! That's how weak Lewis' era was. So those excuses just don't cut it.

I think its pretty safe to say that you are past your peak at 38 -
For every 1 example you come up with of a guy still fighting at/close to his peak at 38 i can come up with 25 who were well past it before 32-35.

How long did LL dominate?-In your twisted mind it sounds like about 2 or 3 years. I could be anal and get the facts from somewhere but im damned sure it was a minimum of 5-6 years.

Lewis is garbage and to say he is great is rubbish, he only has 2 wins that r great and thats tyson and holyfield who both were which no where near there best. also i see so many known lewis fans call tyson gargabe, remeber all the threads on why is miek great who did he beat? well if miek is a nobody then lewis only has a old holyfield on his record and that gets him entrance to top 10? hell people even put him number 1!!!! bull****, thepretender knows

Lewis is garbage and to say he is great is rubbish, he only has 2 wins that r great and thats tyson and holyfield who both were which no where near there best. also i see so many known lewis fans call tyson gargabe, remeber all the threads on why is miek great who did he beat? well if miek is a nobody then lewis only has a old holyfield on his record and that gets him entrance to top 10? hell people even put him number 1!!!! bull****, thepretender knows
I know why Americans hate Lewis... Coz' they threw everyone the could at him, (And they got knocked out!).

It's double standards!... Who has Hopkins fought? To be labelled so great?

I know why Americans hate Lewis... Coz' they threw everyone the could at him, (And they got knocked out!).

It's double standards!... Who has Hopkins fought? To be labelled so great?

felix trinidada and oscar de la hoya :)

All Gatti Ward fights meant alot,

I know why Americans hate Lewis... Coz' they threw everyone the could at him, (And they got knocked out!).

It's double standards!... Who has Hopkins fought? To be labelled so great?

them brits sure do love it when they have a boxer winnign dont they, i bet u all creamed your pants all ngiht long after benn beat mccellan

felix trinidada and oscar de la hoya :)
WOW!... Blue print of a bully!... Someone that started their career at light-heavyweight fighting someone that started their career at super-featherweight... + Another Welterweight champion.. WOW!... He certainly know's how to pick and choose his "career defining fights!"

them brits sure do love it when they have a boxer winnign dont they, i bet u all creamed your pants all ngiht long after benn beat mccellan
I can't reply to this ignorant comment... Only shake my head! :nono:

WOW!... Blue print of a bully!... Someone that started their career at light-heavyweight fighting someone that started their career at super-featherweight... + Another Welterweight champion.. WOW!... He certainly know's how to pick and choose his "career defining fights!"


I can't reply to this ignorant comment... Only shake my head! :nono:


isnt it 12 o clock tea time over there? go have soem crumpets or something, tally ho my good man cherio

Problay Oquendo vs. Bryd, cause it showed Puerto Ricans are Heaveyweight Champions.

Lewis is garbage and to say he is great is rubbish


Why are you such an idiot?

Lewis beat EVERYONE he ever fought.

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound knocking Lewis' resume with how big of a Vitali Klitschko nut hugger you are?

There would be very few idiots ignorant enough not to regard Lewis as a great fighter. It's nice of you to illustrate how truely ignorant you are.

jones- ruiz

victory
heavyweight champ of the world, dont get any bigger than that

Kermit Cintron vs Antonio Margarito,

that was the worst night for me in this year

Why are you such an idiot?

Lewis beat EVERYONE he ever fought.

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound knocking Lewis' resume with how big of a Vitali Klitschko nut hugger you are?

There would be very few idiots ignorant enough not to regard Lewis as a great fighter. It's nice of you to illustrate how truely ignorant you are.


so because im a vitali klitschko fan im prohibbited from talkign about lennox lewis? that doesnt make sence, i can bash lewis if i want to

Kermit Cintron vs Antonio Margarito,

that was the worst night for me in this year


It's been a bad year hugh.


My year sucked because of Toney having to give back his belt.

so because im a vitali klitschko fan im prohibbited from talkign about lennox lewis? that doesnt make sence, i can bash lewis if i want to


Why is it so difficult for you to understand things? Is English your 2nd language? Are you 15? Or just stupid?


You were knocking Lewis' resume, and you're a huge Vitali fan.

Lewis might not have epic wins over fighters like Larry Donald and Corrie Sanders, but no one would be ignorant enough to doubt him being an all time great fighter.

He beat every man he ever fought. To call him "garbage" is just plain ignorant.

I don't deny that Lewis got skills, but a legend? No way! Before he retired and was undisputed champ the conventional wisdom among most boxing publications was: so what? Lewis ruling the division among the weakest selection of contenders seen in 30 years! How convenient he packs up his bags and leaves town just when Vitali gave him his hardest fight and just entering his prime? Now we will never know if Lewis was truly a great among greats or just a great among bums...because he ducked his biggest challenge to settle what was widely seen as a controversial stoppage!

Lewis KO1 Ruiz

Why is it so difficult for you to understand things? Is English your 2nd language? Are you 15? Or just stupid?


You were knocking Lewis' resume, and you're a huge Vitali fan.

Lewis might not have epic wins over fighters like Larry Donald and Corrie Sanders, but no one would be ignorant enough to doubt him being an all time great fighter.

He beat every man he ever fought. To call him "garbage" is just plain ignorant.


again i ask because im a vitali fan i cant knock lewis? and what does being 15 or whatever have to do with anything

again i ask because im a vitali fan i cant knock lewis? and what does being 15 or whatever have to do with anything
LoL!

Me and Sturm only 16 but that dont mean ****...

but Lewis was a great fighter

he just needed to let his hands go

but he was really good

ya greatest those old peopel need to go retire somewhere make room for the new blood

Before the fight, Jones v Johnson meant the most to me. During and after I was heartbroken. To see my favorite fighter of all time being beat up like that. It meant a lot to me because I really wanted to see Jones come in and tear up Johnson. I had actually predicted a KO before 6, then Jones came out in the first, and nothing happened.

Also, I'd like to point out to people, Jones was hit in the temple by a big left against Johnson, not in the jaw. Also, he had taken over 200 shots before he finally fell in the 9th, after putting up NO fight at all.

Other fights up there are Jones v Ruiz, and Toney v Ruiz. I wanted to see Jones prove people wrong, saying he couldn't do what he did at HW that he did at lower weights. And in Toney v Ruiz, I wanted that holding mother****er to go down.

Before the fight, Jones v Johnson meant the most to me. During and after I was heartbroken. To see my favorite fighter of all time being beat up like that. It meant a lot to me because I really wanted to see Jones come in and tear up Johnson. I had actually predicted a KO before 6, then Jones came out in the first, and nothing happened.

Also, I'd like to point out to people, Jones was hit in the temple by a big left against Johnson, not in the jaw. Also, he had taken over 200 shots before he finally fell in the 9th, after putting up NO fight at all.

Other fights up there are Jones v Ruiz, and Toney v Ruiz. I wanted to see Jones prove people wrong, saying he couldn't do what he did at HW that he did at lower weights. And in Toney v Ruiz, I wanted that holding mother****er to go down.I feel you, same way I thought about Trinidad, he just didnt go down tho, but basicly its the same thing.