Which one of these guys need to retire RIGHT NOW,

Oscar or Roy?

Its obviously Roy. Why should Oscar retire?

Which one of these guys need to retire RIGHT NOW,

Oscar or Roy?
Even though I'd love to see him get knocked out again and be hurt even worse than now.
Roy needs to retire.
He has nothing now and I'm sick of seeing his stupid ass.

both of them

they are both overrated!!!!!

both of them

they are both overrated!!!!!
RJJ more than DLH though.

There is no shame whatsoever in losing to an all time great middleweight especially when you started your pro career at 130.

however when a fighter the caliber of Glenn Johnson is kicking your ass from pilar to post them you got some serious issues.

Roy should retire

DLH can still go down to 154 or even 147,clean house and continue to make 10 million plus per fight

GLENCOFFE IS UNDERATED GUYS!

a late developer who has come with hunger and desire late in his career, give him some credit. Jones has never been the same since his foray up to heavyweight, ironically I believe his "greatest" achievement has been his undoing.

Johsanon record issnt so good cos he was robbed against ottke amongst others. (shock horror)

De lay hoya should try and get down to light middle if not welter if he can, he has a future there, Jones should retire, the speed fitness and movement are no longer there. For a man who relies on reflexes thats bad news, it was a bad ko, good to see he is ok.

GLENCOFFE IS UNDERATED GUYS!

a late developer who has come with hunger and desire late in his career, give him some credit. Jones has never been the same since his foray up to heavyweight, ironically I believe his "greatest" achievement has been his undoing.

Johsanon record issnt so good cos he was robbed against ottke amongst others. (shock horror)

De lay hoya should try and get down to light middle if not welter if he can, he has a future there, Jones should retire, the speed fitness and movement are no longer there. For a man who relies on reflexes thats bad news, it was a bad ko, good to see he is ok.

Yes he is very underrated and I have always said he would beat Calzaghe, but lets face it Roy Jones and GlennCoffe Johnson are on two completey different talent levels.

and Roy just didnb't lose he was dominated from start to finish

totally I agree we are talking about a boxer and fighter, the fighter is peaking at a different time in his career and he got the boxer on the slide.

The roy at his peak vs GJ isnt a contest, but like I say he has not been that man in the ring for some time now.

But it was a beating to be honest.

Was shocked to see Marc 2 sharp get beat tho! Shocker.

oh no doubt. that guy came out of nowhere to beat Johnson

what a night

What is it with boxing enthusiast now a days? When Roy was on top everyone loves him, but when he loses a couple of fights he is hated and stoned. What!? Pro fighters aren't allowed to lose a couple of fights?!

palma totally agree with what you are saying but it really depends on the number of fights and style of fighter.

you have to admit there were worrying moments on sat re Jones, we dont want a tragedy on our hands, Rjj is showing signs of being shot, low work rate, poor punch resistance, getting hit a lot more, slowing of relexes, pot shotting, we arent talking bout a guy who can rebuild by fightintg journeyman here. We are talking bout a guy who would probably go after tarver again.

Or up to heavy? I mean if he is getitng ko'd that easily there, god forbid he ever gets in the ring with the likes of Vitali.

It begs the qeustion as to why would jones want to continue? He is wealthy has his health and has his legacy which wil be remembered in boxing folklore for generations, for me he can only spoil this not add to it so why continue.

Both of them.

Roy has now shown himself to be shot. Knocked out badly 2 fights in a row.

De La Hoya has now lost 3 of his last 4, though anyone who watched the Sturm fight knows it's really 4 out of his last 4.
Oscar couldn't get back down to fight at 147 if his life depended on it, and even assuming he could, who is there who he could beat easily? Spinks, Spadafora and Cintron would all be too much for him. They are all 3 legitimate fighters. I think Spinks would be the most humiliating for him.
At 154 his best matchup would be Daniel Santos, but there's no money in that fight and a fair amount of risk. I think Winky would overmatch and he would likely take a severe beating at the hands of Phillips. There's no point in fighting Mosely again, and again no money in Ouma. If the Ouma who fought Phillips last time showed up, he would get thrashed there, too.

While he might not lose all the fights I see the possibility of him losing, there's no money in any of them for him, so why take the risk? You think he might want to pull a Tito and take on one more fight so his career doesn't end on his ass?

spadafora is not a welterweight mate.

he has only just moved up to light welter and he is also in grief again.

I dont see Ocar taking a pounding off him, spinks is the only one on that list that would give oscar problems at welter, he could fight Judah?

Light middle I agree, dont touch winky not desire for another mosely fight. But you are missing off a tito rematch?

palma totally agree with what you are saying but it really depends on the number of fights and style of fighter.

you have to admit there were worrying moments on sat re Jones, we dont want a tragedy on our hands, Rjj is showing signs of being shot, low work rate, poor punch resistance, getting hit a lot more, slowing of relexes, pot shotting, we arent talking bout a guy who can rebuild by fightintg journeyman here. We are talking bout a guy who would probably go after tarver again.

Or up to heavy? I mean if he is getitng ko'd that easily there, god forbid he ever gets in the ring with the likes of Vitali.

It begs the qeustion as to why would jones want to continue? He is wealthy has his health and has his legacy which wil be remembered in boxing folklore for generations, for me he can only spoil this not add to it so why continue.

I see your point and does make sense in regards to one's health. But let's face it. RJJ's skills could not have abandoned him that quickly. I mean, how long ago was it that he kicked Ruiz's butt? I think he's just having a bad time. perhaps it's his technique? I haven't kept track, but does anyone know if RJJ uses the same trainer everytime? Perhaps he needs to switch trainers??

Roy's trainer is purely cosmetic...Jones surrounds himself with flunkies and "yes" men. Jones runs the RJJ show and any advice he takes is actually his own part and parcel.

you could be right there NG, re the Ruiz fight that was a fair amount of time ago over a year and it is quite feasible that going up to heavy and coming down to light heavy has taken its toll on roys ageing body. Additonally a slow plodding one dimensional heavwyweight is not going to expose Jones lack of movement and reflexes in the same way a tarver or johnson would. Look at his 3 bouts since returning to light heavy, Tarver win (my backside) a loss ko to tarver and a loss ko to Johnson, the trend is most defintely there. Thats why this loss has come as no major surprise to me.

spadafora is not a welterweight mate.

he has only just moved up to light welter and he is also in grief again.

I dont see Ocar taking a pounding off him, spinks is the only one on that list that would give oscar problems at welter, he could fight Judah?

Light middle I agree, dont touch winky not desire for another mosely fight. But you are missing off a tito rematch?
I wasn't aware that Spadafora had moved. I really haven't had much of an opportunity to follow his career, sadly. The few figts of his I've managed to catch, though, lead me to believe he would give Oscar problems.

Judah, after the tantrum with Jay Nady and the shellacking he took from Spinks, not to mention the SD with Chop Chop, has made himself a less-than-desirable opponent. I wouldn't mind seeing this fight, and it would probably be the first time in years I've actually rooted for Oscar.
I dont see Oscar staying at middleweight to fight Tito. I think it would be a money draw, but Oscar has to be aware after his 2 performances at middleweight that it's too heavy a division for him.

I would like to throw in a cavaet here. I have talked, and will continue to talk, a lot of **** about De La Hoya because I feel that he was handed several key decisions in his career because he was deemed "good for boxing", but the man was almost always gracious in both victory and defeat. I don't know if he was being himself, or simply promoting his career by being a gentleman, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I still think he should give it up. He's getting older, has no need for the money and doesn't belong at middleweight.

Palma, there is something indisutable in boxing.

When a fighter has a combination of skills and power, his career will fade slowly.
When a fighter relies solely on power, he will continue to have a puncher's chance.
When a fighter wins solely on handspeed and movement, he will get old overnight.

Jones was in the 3rd category for his entire career.

jones more than DLH, the punches had alot to do with it but DLH vs Hopkins was alot closer than Johnson ve Jones, I think I had jones winning one round while having the B-Hop vs DLH fight even going into the 9, DLH can still go down 154-147 clean house and still make money,which he doesnt need

That makes a lotta sense.

Roy should. I don't remember Oscar having been laid out in consecutive matches by someone in his natural weight category. :confused:

Palma, there is something indisutable in boxing.

When a fighter has a combination of skills and power, his career will fade slowly.
When a fighter relies solely on power, he will continue to have a puncher's chance.
When a fighter wins solely on handspeed and movement, he will get old overnight.

Jones was in the 3rd category for his entire career.


Age, death and taxes! 3 certain things in life :o

Poor Roy never saw "age" coming.

Age, death and taxes! 3 certain things in life :o

Poor Roy never saw "age" coming. Neither did the great Joe Louis; but then, Joe didn't see the taxman coming either! :(

i don't think either of them should retire. i enjoy a good knockout. seriously though, roy should seriously consider retirement. or learn how to box. i have been waiting for someone to actually get in there and smother him. jones couoldn't move to the side with johnson because for one he was against the ropes and when he tried he met a glove. he had nowhere to go. when jones did throw i thought he still had his speed. but johnson never let him get set up and kept pressuring him. thats why we never really saw the speed that everyone says was lost due to age. 35 is not old for boxing. 40 is. i don't even like b-hop but i tell ya for a man about to be 40 he sure does still look good in the ring. i know some people lose it and get old faster. right. whatever.

Out of the two, Jones more than DLH. He just looks unmotivated. He's just ganna get hurt. DLH is slowly fading and well past his prime. I still would like to see him go down in weight and see if he can still reign supreme.

both fighters should retire. almost everybody thought roy had a bad day with tarver. so a 2nd ko is seen as the end. well, i think there's no need to see oscar get his 2nd ko before saying its the end for him.

roy & oscar just don't have it anymore. its just a well hyped campaign from those who like to earn from their fights that we still see both. let's give the real fighters a break. no more lousy fights!!!!!!!!!!!

"its just a well hyped campaign"

LOL!!!!

This is so stupid. This would like if RJJ wasn't a phoney and he fought Wlad or Lewis and they KO'd him. Why should he have retired then. He would just have gone back down in weight where he belonged. Jones didn't go down far enough though after Ruiz he belongs at super middleweight or middleweight. DLH should just go back down in weight where he belongs and see how does there before he even thinks about retiring.

I like Oscar De La Hoya, because he is a very good fighter. I don't want him to retire. I hope to see him box again.

Well...they should both retire.
They are filthy rich, & have accomplished all that they can.

Roy needs to leave because he has been horrificly KO'd twice.
Oscar needs to leave before he himself begins to suffer the same fate.

The problem ? What made these guys as excellent as they were, is what will make them fight beyond their best.....DRIVING EGOS.

Well...they should both retire.
They are filthy rich, & have accomplished all that they can.

Roy needs to leave because he has been horrificly KO'd twice.
Oscar needs to leave before he himself begins to suffer the same fate.

The problem ? What made these guys as excellent as they were, is what will make them fight beyond their best.....DRIVING EGOS.
DLH can still do well in boxing.
RJJ is nothing now and should leave.

Holyfield is driven by his ego too.
He's got nothing but he insists on boxing anyway.
He's ruining his record by losing to people like Ruiz and Toney.

I wonder what will happen to Bowe now that he's back.
Perhaps he can have a match with Toney to settle once and for all who is the bigger eater in the heavyweight division.

Holyfield is ruining his record by losing like he is. But, we all know how great he was, when he was in his prime.
His standing, historically, is intact

Can you imagine what Holyfield (Gatti, too) will be like in ten years ?
His brain will be MUSH.

Holyfield is ruining his record by losing like he is. But, we all know how great he was, when he was in his prime.
His standing, historically, is intact

Can you imagine what Holyfield (Gatti, too) will be like in ten years ?
His brain will be MUSH.
So you don't think that his recent losses will affect boxing fans' view on him?

Gatti and Morales and pretty much every light guy that fights in "wars" will be like that later on in life.
They can't take that punishment for so long and expect nothing to happen.

So you don't think that his recent losses will affect boxing fans' view on him?"

Only the view that he is a stubborn fool.
But, real fans know what he accomplished. They know how specil he was over a long period of time.

Gotta agree there Jabs, once the loss has been processed, and the dust has settled then his legacy and history will be confirmed as an all time great.


It happens great fighters have to lose sometime or have a dodgy perfromance to let them know its time to go.

I just hope RJJ doesnt stay on and ruin it by trying to do what his head thinks he can but his body longer is able.


For the record Ive never liked him, always been a fan of the antehero in hopkins, BUT one cannot deny what a great special and wonderful fighter RJJ has been.

Those who say he has been "exposed" or trying to belittle his achievements dont understand boxing well enough to see past their own bias.. ;)

Gotta agree there Jabs, once the loss has been processed, and the dust has settled then his legacy and history will be confirmed as an all time great.


It happens great fighters have to lose sometime or have a dodgy perfromance to let them know its time to go.

I just hope RJJ doesnt stay on and ruin it by trying to do what his head thinks he can but his body longer is able.


For the record Ive never liked him, always been a fan of the antehero in hopkins, BUT one cannot deny what a great special and wonderful fighter RJJ has been.

Those who say he has been "exposed" or trying to belittle his achievements dont understand boxing well enough to see past their own bias.. ;)

after i saw the two fights last saturday. there's no doubt in my mind that rjj has no option but to retire. he looked so old and the fire wasn't there anymore. he was a completely different jones jr. that we saw even a year ago. i guess when tarver knocked him out cold last may, he lost every ounce of confidence he got in his heart.

delahoya on another hand, has at leat two years of boxing left in him. the difference between dlh and rjj is that the former is a crowd-pleaser and it seems that everybody loves him. just one win is enough for everybody to forgive him. he lost to hopkins who was obviously the better and stronger fighter because it was a mismatch. dlh imo just quit in rd. 9 to prevent any further damage to his body which was the best thing to do. besides, bhop was comfortably ahead by at least 3-4 rounds on my score card. dlh if he's really smart will not make the same mistake of choosing the wrong opponent again. but who can blame him, $30 million is just too good a mistake to make!!!

Roy's health seems more at issue than Oscars right now.

Oscar has the option to drop some weight and still be successfull - I don't think Roy has that option.

Both should retire anyway...

definately roy, i mean he has not got what he used to have, and he could get hurt for life if he keeps going, i say he should retire, but oscar may have one more megafight left in him

That's right BOTH. We need new faces, younger, hungrier and smart . . . . smart enough not make any ties with ****I'N Don King or DIRTY Arum.