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joeboxer
05-18-2005, 08:26 PM
This thread is about why the old testament bible is worthless and homosexuals should be able to do whatever they want. Pleas read this post as it is both informative and Hilarious.

My points are these.

1. When people say that homosexuality is wrong becuase "the bible" says so, why should that matter. I'm not christian the bible is not my reference for ultimate morality. I could just as easily respond by pulling out "Playboy" which says Gays are fine. (I don't really know if this is true but it is just an example)

2. My second point is even if you are christian and accept the bible as truth, the bible says alot of other stupid **** too, as evidenced here in an open letter to Doctor Laura.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.

Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

adrsan84
05-18-2005, 11:13 PM
Pretty good, funny to read about things like that.

czars_salad
05-18-2005, 11:16 PM
Pretty good, funny to read about things like that.
hilarious, that's the right word for it :D

RwK
05-18-2005, 11:20 PM
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


LOL!......................................

m00ks
05-19-2005, 12:05 AM
That was funny. Well if you someone doesn't believe the Bible in teh first place, then of course it will be labeled "worthless to them". Secondly, being a christian, it's the New Testament that embodies Christianity not the old. Hence NEW testament. Once Jesus came to this world, it became a different ballgame. I think the old testament is there for historical purposes (if you're a believer) and also to get to know God better. Just my two cents...

Moon
05-19-2005, 12:11 AM
This thread is about why the old testament bible is worthless and homosexuals should be able to do whatever they want. Pleas read this post as it is both informative and Hilarious.

My points are these.

1. When people say that homosexuality is wrong becuase "the bible" says so, why should that matter. I'm not christian the bible is not my reference for ultimate morality. I could just as easily respond by pulling out "Playboy" which says Gays are fine. (I don't really know if this is true but it is just an example)

2. My second point is even if you are christian and accept the bible as truth, the bible says alot of other stupid **** too, as evidenced here in an open letter to Doctor Laura.

The "Old Testment Bible" does not exist. The Old Testament (OT) does exist though, it is the first five books of "The Bible" and represents the Word of God provided by the old Hebrew or Jewish Prophets that lived before Jesus' time. The NT represents the represents the "final" Word of God, as told through Christ.

"The Bible" is a combination of the OT and the NT.

If you have a problem with Dr. Laura and the Old Testament, it seems strange that you mentioned Christians only. She is Jewish and the OT was the intended for the Children of Israel (i.e., the Jews).

RwK
05-19-2005, 12:11 AM
before

The "Old Testment Bible" does not exist. The Old Testament (OT) does exist though, it is the first five books of "The Bible" and represents the Word of God provided by the old Hebrew or Jewish Prophets that lived before Jesus' time. The NT represents the represents the "final" Word of God, as told through Christ.

"The Bible" is a combination of the OT and the NT.

If you have a problem with Dr. Laura and the Old Testament, it seems strange that you mentioned Christians only. She is Jewish and the OT was the intended for the Children of Israel (i.e., the Jews).

You catch that Reseed Holyfield fight last week?

Moon
05-19-2005, 12:13 AM
You catch that Reseed Holyfield fight last week?
RUN .... please tell me you'll forget about that?

RwK
05-19-2005, 12:14 AM
RUN .... please tell me you'll forget about that?

im joking bro. All fun and games. Nobody will ever forget my "War on Terror" thread though. LOL.

Moon
05-19-2005, 12:17 AM
im joking bro. All fun and games. Nobody will ever forget my "War on Terror" thread though. LOL.
Did that thing get closed"? I think I might have joined that party before it ended.

RwK
05-19-2005, 12:18 AM
Did that thing get closed"? I think I might have joined that party before it ended.


yeah it got closed. shut down for good. LOL!

joeboxer
05-19-2005, 03:36 PM
The "Old Testment Bible" does not exist. The Old Testament (OT) does exist though, it is the first five books of "The Bible" and represents the Word of God provided by the old Hebrew or Jewish Prophets that lived before Jesus' time. The NT represents the represents the "final" Word of God, as told through Christ.

"The Bible" is a combination of the OT and the NT.

If you have a problem with Dr. Laura and the Old Testament, it seems strange that you mentioned Christians only. She is Jewish and the OT was the intended for the Children of Israel (i.e., the Jews).


Thank you for pointing out my error. The "Old Testament Bible" in not the proper phrase to use.

Also you are right that Dr. Laura is Jewish, but the reason I was talking about Christians is because often Christian people will continue to use the Old Testament to defend their views on why homosexuality is immoral.

This post was purely to show why I don't think the Old Testament should be used to help validate any argument. Especially because not everyone accepts it.

mcnabbmcnow
05-19-2005, 04:16 PM
You have little understanding about the Old Testament. The ceremonial and civil laws that applied to the Jews were no longer necessary when Christ died for our sins on the cross. Before that, people were saved by faith in God, and they showed that through obedience to Jewish Laws. The Old Testament Law was replaced by the New Testament Law. (I'll get the verses if you want to see them) Does that make the OT worthless? Heck no. First of all, 9 of the 10 Commandments are repeated in the New Testament, as are the commandments against homosexuality (Romans 1:26-28) and other sins. Secondly, even though the laws might not apply in the Old Testament, the principles behind the laws generally still stand in the New Testament. Also, the Israelites left us with many valuable moral lessons on what and what not to do. Thirdly, many Old Testament prophecies come true in the New Testament. Fourth, many verses from the Old Testament are quoted as authoritative by Jesus or are repeated by New Testament writers.

joeboxer
05-19-2005, 04:22 PM
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
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Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
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Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

joeboxer
05-19-2005, 04:25 PM
First of all I can barely understand that **** but if you say it means homosexuality. I won't argue that.

Second if you want to follow your own new testament why not look all the way to Rom 1:32

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


So if your Christian, Why don't you just kill all the ****?

joeboxer
05-19-2005, 04:25 PM
Rom 1:32 Wants you to.

m00ks
05-19-2005, 07:55 PM
First of all I can barely understand that **** but if you say it means homosexuality. I won't argue that.

Second if you want to follow your own new testament why not look all the way to Rom 1:32

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


So if your Christian, Why don't you just kill all the ****?

Murder ain't part of Christianity. Judgement isn't for anyone to carry out but God. In our belief...

masterdirector
05-19-2005, 11:16 PM
Umm...yes, I was about to bring up that the Old Testament isn't the only place against homosexuality. It also says it in the New Testament. Somewhere in Timothy as well as Romans.

I wouldn't say the Old Testament is useless to Christians. Without that, you don't have Adam and Eve, Moses, Noah's Ark, and lots of other things I'm sure. Now, I could see people saying Numbers is rather useless. A lot of it is just statistics and records that are kind of meaningless. Its still a historical record I guess.