Ok Iwatchboxing claims that JCC is over rated now
me being mexican and all i gotta admit i got a biasided opinion,
and he hates mexican fighters so his opinion is biasided too.
so what do you think???
is Julio Cesar Chavez overrated???
and how good do you think he really was???

Ok Iwatchboxing claims that JCC is over rated now
me being mexican and all i gotta admit i got a biasided opinion,
and he hates mexican fighters so his opinion is biasided too.
so what do you think???
is Julio Cesar Chavez overrated???
and how good do you think he really was???


....I got no problem with Mexican fighters but IMO he was way overated. He fought a ton of stiffs and aside from having a hard head he never impressed me that much. I think the Mexican community loves him so much because he embodies the macho Mexican tough guy image. As far as talent goes he got way to much credit.

....I got no problem with Mexican fighters but IMO he was way overated. He fought a ton of stiffs and aside from having a hard head he never impressed me that much. I think the Mexican community loves him so much because he embodies the macho Mexican tough guy image. As far as talent goes he got way to much credit.
but what do you think of Iwatch saying that Tito is way better than him?

Well his record is pretty padded. Like his first 30 pro fights were at the local Tijuana boxing club. But besides that I dont really think he is overrated.

but what do you think of Iwatch saying that Tito is way better than him?
Wow, thanks for putng me on front street :o ... I never said Tito was better than him, I only said he could be better cause if anything they have alot of things in common, and that JCC isnt WAY better than Tito, has many like to shove in peoples faces, I got nothing but love for Mexican fighters :D .

Anwser: Yes, he is overrated.

Wow, thanks for putng me on front street :o ... I never said Tito was better than him, I only said he could be better cause if anything they have alot of things in common, and that JCC isnt WAY better than Tito, has many like to shove in peoples faces, I got nothing but love for Mexican fighters :D .
hahaha dude dont take it back

hahaha dude dont take it back
Well I said if he went the Winky, Hopkins and Lacy route, he could of been better than Duran too, but he got donminated by Winky so its all but a dream now, Duran is still the greatest, and yes, Trinidad, Benitez and Oscar De La Hoya are better than Chavez, cause he is overrated (to the point people have called him the best ever), but he still a great fighter tho.

I don`t think he`s overrated. True, his first 30 - 40 fights were against journeyman bums but he also had fights with many terrific fighters and in his prime always won ( he reversed the Randell defeat ).
Pernell Whitiker beat him ( i know its a draw but..) but Whitiker was in his prime and maybe a top 15 fighter of all time so no shame there.
Allot of the fighters he beat at world level were unproven but maybe such was Chavez`s brutal dis - missle of them he might have ended their careers at world level, much like Trinidad`s destruction of Vargas seemed to hinder Vargas ( he`s young, he might recover after the lenghy lay off ).
JCC also had one of the greatest chins of all time. He faced brutal punchers however took the punches so well people dis - missed his opponent's power after he beat them.
Apart from the Willy Wise defeat ( when well passed his prime ) JCC only lost to exceptional world class fighters ( also when he was well passed his best ).
So in this context, i believe that no way JCC was over - rated. He should rightfully be inducted into the hall of fame and go down certainly in the top 25 fighters of all time. The guy is a legend!

I don`t think he`s overrated. True, his first 30 - 40 fights were against journeyman bums but he also had fights with many terrific fighters and in his prime always won ( he reversed the Randell defeat ).
Pernell Whitiker beat him ( i know its a draw but..) but Whitiker was in his prime and maybe a top 15 fighter of all time so no shame there.
Allot of the fighters he beat at world level were unproven but maybe such was Chavez`s brutal dis - missle of them he might have ended their careers at world level, much like Trinidad`s destruction of Vargas seemed to hinder Vargas ( he`s young, he might recover after the lenghy lay off ).
JCC also had one of the greatest chins of all time. He faced brutal punchers however took the punches so well people dis - missed his opponent's power after he beat them.
Apart from the Willy Wise defeat ( when well passed his prime ) JCC only lost to exceptional world class fighters ( also when he was well passed his best ).
So in this context, i believe that no way JCC was over - rated. He should rightfully be inducted into the hall of fame and go down certainly in the top 25 fighters of all time. The guy is a legend!


Hey Kimmy I love that avatar.. Was that the same day that Bernard desecrated the Puerto Rican flag infront of Tito? Chavez was slightly overrated, not nearly as much as Tito though.. Could you imagine Chavez losing every round to a guy with just a jab and then not adapting to it?

Huh, he is somewhat overrated by some people but he really is an all time great with an excellent resume. He fought guys like Taylor and Tszyu and other all time greats and even beat most of them. That sure puts you into BHOF. Anyway my final answer is that he is not overrated at least not as much as some other great fighters.

Hey Kimmy I love that avatar.. Was that the same day that Bernard desecrated the Puerto Rican flag infront of Tito? Chavez was slightly overrated, not nearly as much as Tito though.. Could you imagine Chavez losing every round to a guy with just a jab and then not adapting to it?
Well....technically he nearly did against Whitiker but i get the point. The avatar was that day when Hopkins started to mess with the PR flag and got chased out of the building ( love ol` Hop! ).
And Trinidad was over rated. The fans fell in love with the power, much like Tyson`s power but problem with Tito he hasn`t got anything at world level apart from power. And i think the middleweight division was a step too far because he fought only three middleweights ( Joppy is a very small middle ) and Chafief was shot. Hopkins ****ed him up and Mayorga was a welterweight and Wright was a Jnr Middleweight.
He claimed at the end of 2000 he couldn`t make 154 comfortably so i think Trinidad is finished. I`m happy. I hate these fighters who get a fan following based on their power but have little skill to go long with it. Its good to see the bully exposed. Let real boxers like Hopkins and Wright get the cheers not fighters who just come in banging.

theres no way chavez is over rated. And a prime chavez could have beat a prime dlh and thats that

theres no way chavez is over rated. And a prime chavez could have beat a prime dlh and thats that
Chavez was 33 when they first fought, I think it would a been a much better fight if he was younger, but I still think Oscar would win.

I think people usually call him overrated because of his record which has tons of names half which noboy has ever heard him.

But in reality if u dont take his huge record into account and go by the fighters which are good on his record that he beat and how he did beat him JCC is definitely not overrated. Seriously its not his fault he decided instead of taking huge yearly lay-offs he fought.

in his prime or close to his prime big names on his resume are,

Martinez (TKO)
Rosario (TKO)
Ramirez (TD)
Mayweather (TKO)
Taylor (TKO)
Lockridge (UD)

Here is a quick rundown of the guys above:

Martinez was highly toughted Mexican prospect who went to war with chavez. he was 33-1-2

Rosario was one of the hardest punchers ever at 135lbs, he had just come off what some thought a contreversial loss with Camacho. And regained his belt by knocking out highly regarded champ Livingston Bramble.

Ramirez had just come off a controversial win over Pernell whitaker but one of his most memorable victories was his stoppage of Rosario.

Roger Mayweather was a highly regarded boxing prospect who had been stopped by lockridge but had 2 wins before facing chavez. Many people thought he would box circles around Chavez. He would later go on to win a championship at light welter.

Meldrick Taylor - Obviously no description is needed.

Lockridge - He had destroyed Mayweather and thus Chavez couldnt move up without fighting him first.

I think he's just one of those guys who is overrated or underrated depending on who you speak to. One things for sure and thats that nobody will touch his record ever again.

Ok Iwatchboxing claims that JCC is over rated now
me being mexican and all i gotta admit i got a biasided opinion,
and he hates mexican fighters so his opinion is biasided too.
so what do you think???
is Julio Cesar Chavez overrated???
and how good do you think he really was???

I dont know about overrated, but charging $50 to see his last fight is rediculous :eek: ..I wont pay it either!

chavez fought alot of outclassed/part-time boxers..in mexico..the same as the overrated carlos monzon did in argentina..yea chavez was overrated

Ill give my very baised opinion.
Chavez had defeated more champions,former champions and #1 contenders in his time. Sure his first fights were in Mexico and no one knew these guys but you sit and say a pro fighter wont be a tough opponent. I have said this so many times,"You will never see a fighter like Chavez in your lifetime." Calling a fighter that did everything he did in the ring is just plain HATING.

Ill give my very baised opinion.
Chavez had defeated more champions,former champions and #1 contenders in his time. Sure his first fights were in Mexico and no one knew these guys but you sit and say a pro fighter wont be a tough opponent. I have said this so many times,"You will never see a fighter like Chavez in your lifetime." Calling a fighter that did everything he did in the ring is just plain HATING.


i couldnt agree more. great post

Chavez really is not overrated, it just seems that people tend to forget how good he really was because he is still fighting today and nowhere near the level he was once at... I think people see too much of Chavez now, or even five years ago or more, and think of that as being closely related to the Chavez of old-- which would be a fallacious assumption.

Even the most steadfast Chavez supporters would have to admit that in their primes Chavez would lose rather convincingly to Pete Whitaker!! That decision in the San Antonio Dome as a draw was a disgrace!!

he is as overrated as john ruiz :rolleyes:

Even the most steadfast Chavez supporters would have to admit that in their primes Chavez would lose rather convincingly to Pete Whitaker!! That decision in the San Antonio Dome as a draw was a disgrace!!


I agree completely. Pernell would have beaten Chavez wherever, whenever.

Even the most steadfast Chavez supporters would have to admit that in their primes Chavez would lose rather convincingly to Pete Whitaker!! That decision in the San Antonio Dome as a draw was a disgrace!!

I think the question was a little different.
You cannot base a legends career on one fight.
All Pete did (thats what you want to call him) was avoid the Chaves' left hand and in the eyes of the judges that wasnt enough
to get a victory. I myself thought Chaves lost but even then how many victories did he have. Chavez at 147 was nothing to compared to the 130-135 Chavez.

and in the eyes of the judges that wasnt enough
to get a victory

that is the most polite description of that incredible robbery I ever heard!

how about pea landing those punches, did th ejudges thought it was not enough to win

chavez was quite protected, look at the scorecards of the taylor fight

he is a greast fighter, and would still be a great fighter with a loss to pea and even with a loss to taylor (which he would have viciously avenged anyway)

i think he is "overrated" like marciano: some people think he is the greatest fighter ever, which he is not.

hes before my time but from i seen i think he is.

Prime oscar would destroy prime Chavez
thats the only arguement i ever hear about chavez.

His record seems overrated but its the same with most who fights alot, you cant keep fighting the worlds best all the time. However mexicans seems to regard him as the greatest mexican fighter of all time which I think maybe the overrated part.

Duran vs JCC at lightweight or welter? Id give it to Duran :)

that is the most polite description of that incredible robbery I ever heard!

how about pea landing those punches, did th ejudges thought it was not enough to win

chavez was quite protected, look at the scorecards of the taylor fight

he is a greast fighter, and would still be a great fighter with a loss to pea and even with a loss to taylor (which he would have viciously avenged anyway)

i think he is "overrated" like marciano: some people think he is the greatest fighter ever, which he is not.
That Taylor fight was closer that what the baise HBO commentaters make it seem.
The only thing that made Pernell (the most boring fighter ever)
look good and deserve the win was the way he studied the left hand and stayed away from it like majic.

That Taylor fight was closer that what the baise HBO commentaters make it seem.
The only thing that made Pernell (the most boring fighter ever)
look good and deserve the win was the way he studied the left hand and stayed away from it like majic.



What's he supposed to do. let himself get popped in the face with it? Not to take anything away from Chavez he is a legend no doubt about that!! He would have NEVER have beaten Whitaker, I don't care what weight they fought at!! Interesting I read an article on Chavez.. It said that he was a freak of nature, that his skull was much thicker than the average humans. Perhaps that's one of the reasons why he could take a punch with the best of them!!

What's he supposed to do. let himself get popped in the face with it? Not to take anything away from Chavez he is a legend no doubt about that!! He would have NEVER have beaten Whitaker, I don't care what weight they fought at!! Interesting I read an article on Chavez.. It said that he was a freak of nature, that his skull was much thicker than the average humans. Perhaps that's one of the reasons why he could take a punch with the best of them!!
Why is this thread about that fight, I thought they asked if you think he was over rated. Im wondering if people would of liked him more if he had a big mouth like ALI. If you want to compare Chavez and PeaPea, Pea didnt do half of what Chavez did in his career and he is ranked higher in the all time greats :confused: . Maybe Pea's ability to speak english helps him???Besides him having a thicker skull and taking a punch he had very under rated defense.

that is the most polite description of that incredible robbery I ever heard!

how about pea landing those punches, did th ejudges thought it was not enough to win

chavez was quite protected, look at the scorecards of the taylor fight

he is a greast fighter, and would still be a great fighter with a loss to pea and even with a loss to taylor (which he would have viciously avenged anyway)

i think he is "overrated" like marciano: some people think he is the greatest fighter ever, which he is not.
What do you want me say, he ran like a ***** and made the usuall boring ass fight Pea always made. He did what it took to win but tis thread is about something else.

Why is this thread about that fight, I thought they asked if you think he was over rated. Im wondering if people would of liked him more if he had a big mouth like ALI. If you want to compare Chavez and PeaPea, Pea didnt do half of what Chavez did in his career and he is ranked higher in the all time greats :confused: . Maybe Pea's ability to speak english helps him???Besides him having a thicker skull and taking a punch he had very under rated defense.


It's perfectly legitimate to bring up a fighters opponent(s) if your discussing a thread as to whether or not he's overrated!! How else are you supposed to guage whether or not a person is overrated?

It's perfectly legitimate to bring up a fighters opponent(s) if your discussing a thread as to whether or not he's overrated!! How else are you supposed to guage whether or not a person is overrated?
Ok then talk about the many more victories he had.That more than over shadows any bad decision by the judges.

Ok then talk about the many more victories he had.That more than over shadows any bad decision by the judges.


I agree dude I think Chavez is a LEGEND!! There are too many victories that he has to even talk about!! The guys is one of the greatest Ive ever seen.. I just think that he would never beat Sweet Pea, and I thought he deserved to lose that fight to Taylor!! I just hate to see people get robbed especially when they fight masterfully!!

Bomber, it's understandable that you may like the fearless, always go to war and go forward style that Chavez used...but to discredit Whitaker by saying that the greatest defensive fighter to ever do it (IMO since I've never seen footage of Pep) was a running ***** is a disgrace. Whitaker didn't only make Chavez look ordinary in their fight, but he put on a clinic of dodging Chavez left hands and slipping his jabs and crosses. All of those landed punches must not have meant anything either...

Whitaker was just REALLY really bad stylistically for Chavez. He was way too good defensively and he was way to intelligent/quick to let Chavez get to him. He would have outboxed Chavez at any weight.

but what do you think of Iwatch saying that Tito is way better than him?


...I would say that's rediculous!!!

JCC isn't overrated. He's a legend.

Chavez was an excellent fighter and is one of my favorites. Whoever said that Tito is better than Chavez needs to go check themselves into a clinic ASAP.

Bomber, it's understandable that you may like the fearless, always go to war and go forward style that Chavez used...but to discredit Whitaker by saying that the greatest defensive fighter to ever do it (IMO since I've never seen footage of Pep) was a running ***** is a disgrace. Whitaker didn't only make Chavez look ordinary in their fight, but he put on a clinic of dodging Chavez left hands and slipping his jabs and crosses. All of those landed punches must not have meant anything either...

Whitaker was just REALLY really bad stylistically for Chavez. He was way too good defensively and he was way to intelligent/quick to let Chavez get to him. He would have outboxed Chavez at any weight.
White Viejo, there no doubt that Pea won and out classed Chaves in my eyes but I anyone of the judges that night. Like I said before even if Chaves was given that rightfull loss that night,he is and always be P4P better than Pea just by all his acomplishments. I remember Sweet Pie always crying that he didnt get the attention he wanted. Defensive fighter dont sell tickets, warriors sell tickets. Look at Winky he dominated Tito every second of their fight will he get credit for it 10 years from now? I think Winky is ten times more exciting to watch than Pea. I would give Pea credit for not being recognized but the guy is ranked 15 all time best.

Chavez was an excellent fighter and is one of my favorites. Whoever said that Tito is better than Chavez needs to go check themselves into a clinic ASAP.
Well, you gonna say why?

Overrated by many

Underrated by many

His average, no where near Roberto Duran....

I wouldnt put him in the top 10 p4p

Hell no Castillo isnt overrated. He never been knocked down. Chico a spitting *****.

how is he over rated, he fought like a lion, he should be getting out now but that doesn't make him overrated.

No way was Chavez overrated. He was a machine at 130 and 135. Iron Jaw,tremendous body attack and a damn good fighter period. He fought too long thats for sure. If your judging him on the DLH and Randall fights, thats not fair becuase he was a shell of himself at that time.

What do you want me say, he ran like a ***** and made the usuall boring ass fight Pea always made. He did what it took to win but tis thread is about something else.

Hey BB, are you gonna order the ppv of his last fight? I guess because it is his last, that alone would make it worth the ppv, but he's not fought in ages, so it just doesnt seem right to me :confused: Whatcha gonna do?

Hey BB, are you gonna order the ppv of his last fight? I guess because it is his last, that alone would make it worth the ppv, but he's not fought in ages, so it just doesnt seem right to me :confused: Whatcha gonna do?
Dont buy it for the Chavez Sr. fight,buy it if you like Rafa Marquez and want to check how Jr. is doing.
Im a very big fan of Chavez and this is his goodbye I hope so most likely Im going to Staples to watch it live. Just in case I didnt go I would pay the paper view any how.

Dont buy it for the Chavez Sr. fight,buy it if you like Rafa Marquez and want to check how Jr. is doing.
Im a very big fan of Chavez and this is his goodbye I hope so most likely Im going to Staples to watch it live. Just in case I didnt go I would pay the paper view any how.

Live huh, now youre talking! Very cool...hope you enjoy yourself

Live huh, now youre talking! Very cool...hope you enjoy yourself
thx im crossing my fingers.I might get to meet up with marvdave this time we just missed each other at the Morales fight. You ought to come down Ill take you as my date. :p

thx im crossing my fingers.I might get to meet up with marvdave this time we just missed each other at the Morales fight. You ought to come down Ill take you as my date. :p

Much as I'd like that, LA is a bit too far away for my expenses..thanks though ;)

thx im crossing my fingers.I might get to meet up with marvdave this time we just missed each other at the Morales fight. You ought to come down Ill take you as my date. :p

you were so damn drunk and couldn't find me :D

see you there. Don't buy the ppv for the father and son chavez' fights, buy it for Hernandez v Jesus Chavez. That will be a freaking war!

you were so damn drunk and couldn't find me :D

see you there. Don't buy the ppv for the father and son chavez' fights, buy it for Hernandez v Jesus Chavez. That will be a freaking war!
lol I was pretty ****ed up but I had a great time. :D

No way Chavez is overated.

Yes he went downhill pretty quick (even though still able to hold his own) but in his prime he was the best.
No way Whitaker could have beaten a prime Chavez and yes he lost that ugly ass fight against him but by that time Chavez was not taking boxing seriously anymore.
Whitaker was a masterful tactician, but his run and duck style was so freaking boring. Also let me point out that he got a gift when he fought Maromero Paez and Paez didn't even take him seriously (of course he didn't take anybody seriously).

The only thing that bothered a lot of people, Mexican mainly was that Chavez started acting like an ass after the Whitaker and Randall fights but who knows what was in the guys mind. He seems ok now, so hopefuly he took care of his inner demons.

No way Chavez is overated.

Yes he went downhill pretty quick (even though still able to hold his own) but in his prime he was the best.
No way Whitaker could have beaten a prime Chavez and yes he lost that ugly ass fight against him but by that time Chavez was not taking boxing seriously anymore.
Whitaker was a masterful tactician, but his run and duck style was so freaking boring. Also let me point out that he got a gift when he fought Maromero Paez and Paez didn't even take him seriously (of course he didn't take anybody seriously).

The only thing that bothered a lot of people, Mexican mainly was that Chavez started acting like an ass after the Whitaker and Randall fights but who knows what was in the guys mind. He seems ok now, so hopefuly he took care of his inner demons.


Whitaker wasnt exactly in his prime either when he fought Chavez.. You can spin it either way you want but a prime Chavez wins 2 to 3 rounds against a prime Whitaker at best!

No way Chavez is overated.

Yes he went downhill pretty quick (even though still able to hold his own) but in his prime he was the best.
No way Whitaker could have beaten a prime Chavez and yes he lost that ugly ass fight against him but by that time Chavez was not taking boxing seriously anymore.
Whitaker was a masterful tactician, but his run and duck style was so freaking boring. Also let me point out that he got a gift when he fought Maromero Paez and Paez didn't even take him seriously (of course he didn't take anybody seriously).

The only thing that bothered a lot of people, Mexican mainly was that Chavez started acting like an ass after the Whitaker and Randall fights but who knows what was in the guys mind. He seems ok now, so hopefuly he took care of his inner demons.
Funny you noticed he was acting like a little snob for a while.

Whitaker wasnt exactly in his prime either when he fought Chavez.. You can spin it either way you want but a prime Chavez wins 2 to 3 rounds against a prime Whitaker at best!


I think Whitiker was a master boxer. I'm not sure Chavez could have beaten him at any weight, but when he did fight Pea, he certainly was on the down side. Either way, both were great in their own right.
Whitiker was boring as hell, but was untouchable in prime.

Ok Iwatchboxing claims that JCC is over rated now
me being mexican and all i gotta admit i got a biasided opinion,
and he hates mexican fighters so his opinion is biasided too.
so what do you think???
is Julio Cesar Chavez overrated???
and how good do you think he really was???

Hes prob not as great as was presumed when he was at the top of his game,i mean he was like this unstoppable mythic hero for mex fans,But he deserves to be considered great nonetheless,he beat some great fighters.

Whitaker wasnt exactly in his prime either when he fought Chavez.. You can spin it either way you want but a prime Chavez wins 2 to 3 rounds against a prime Whitaker at best!
Ok, time to put the pipe down buddy...

Ok, time to put the pipe down buddy...


Hey dude nice insult!! If you think Chavez would beat Whitaker in their' respective primes you are beyond help!! Don't disrespect a legend by hugging his nuts, he doesnt need that.. His record speaks for itself. He just didnt have the style to beat Sweet Pea.no shame in that!

Hey dude nice insult!! If you think Chavez would beat Whitaker in their' respective primes you are beyond help!! Don't disrespect a legend by hugging his nuts, he doesnt need that.. His record speaks for itself. He just didnt have the style to beat Sweet Pea.no shame in that!
No insult intended man, but to say the he would only win 2 to 3 rounds is just plain dumb and to be honest I didn't even like Chavez that much nearing the end of his career but a prime Chavez fight was like a complete clinic on how to break down any opponent.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Hey dude nice insult!! If you think Chavez would beat Whitaker in their' respective primes you are beyond help!! Don't disrespect a legend by hugging his nuts, he doesnt need that.. His record speaks for itself. He just didnt have the style to beat Sweet Pea.no shame in that!
Did you know Pea Pea lost to Jose Luis Ramirez in his prime?
Did you know that Ramirez and Chavez are compadres and Chavez was much better in his prime than Ramirez so counting out that Chavez could not beat Pea Pea in his prime is ****ing absurd!

No insult intended man, but to say the he would only win 2 to 3 rounds is just plain dumb and to be honest I didn't even like Chavez that much nearing the end of his career but a prime Chavez fight was like a complete clinic on how to break down any opponent.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.



LOL!! A clinic is what Pete Whitaker gave Chavez in the Alamodome? Even if they fought a few years earlier..Whitaker may have even won by a wider margin. What would JCC done differently. Pete would have still popped the **** out of him , slipped his jabs and crosses, angled the **** out of Chavez and frustrated him

LOL!! A clinic is what Pete Whitaker gave Chavez in the Alamodome? Even if they fought a few years earlier..Whitaker may have even won by a wider margin. What would JCC done differently. Pete would have still popped the **** out of him , slipped his jabs and crosses, angled the **** out of Chavez and frustrated him
Right! You go ahead and think that. Mexicans love being the underdog any fking way, just ask Tony Margarito.

Did you know Pea Pea lost to Jose Luis Ramirez in his prime?
Did you know that Ramirez and Chavez are compadres and Chavez was much better in his prime than Ramirez so counting out that Chavez could not beat Pea Pea in his prime is ****ing absurd!


Did you know that the decision against Ramirez was a robbery also with most observers agreeing pete won.. Did you know in the rematch Sweet Pea beat the crap out of Ramirez by even a wider margin

Did you know that the decision against Ramirez was a robbery also with most observers agreeing pete won.. Did you know in the rematch Sweet Pea beat the crap out of Ramirez by even a wider margin
Honestly I dont know who pete is. Who is pete?
They fought in France and it wasnt anywhere near a robbery. The sd was pulled out rightfully so.Pea beating the crap out of someone? oh you mean boring the crap out of everyone.

Honestly I dont know who pete is. Who is pete?
They fought in France and it wasnt anywhere near a robbery. The sd was pulled out rightfully so.


Ok.. You feel that the SD was a just decision against Ramirez and you feel that Chavez would beat Whitaker in their primes.. I respect your opinion but I dont agree with it. Your Mexiocan and you're obviously proud of Chavez.. Good luck to you

So most of you guys think that Pernell won agains Chavez, and if the fight wasn't stopped an the 12th he would of won?, well, let me tell you something, after that fight Whithaker wasn't the same no more, he had some facial fractures, in his body was completly messed up to the point that he was peeing blood, and if we talk about the brain damage that he suffer because of that fight, you can still find him trying to be a world champion. That was a massacre in all means...
Chavez seams to be under-rated by the new "generation" of boxing fans, just the people that saw him fighting in his prime can say, he's not even close to be overestimated at all.

So most of you guys think that Pernell won agains Chavez, and if the fight wasn't stopped an the 12th he would of won?, well, let me tell you something, after that fight Whithaker wasn't the same no more, he had some facial fractures, in his body was completly messed up to the point that he was peeing blood, and if we talk about the brain damage that he suffer because of that fight, you can still find him trying to be a world champion. That was a massacre in all means...
Chavez seams to be under-rated by the new "generation" of boxing fans, just the people that saw him fighting in his prime can say, he's not even close to be overestimated at all.



I assume you mean Taylor instead of Whitaker in your above thread..Pete Whitaker is no Meldrick Taylor he was a smarter fighter.. Taylor fought the wrong style as a professional for the talent he was blessed with.. He always reverted back to being a Philly fighter when hit and slugged toe to toe.. Whitaker was more of a technician. He would have frustrated Chavez at any time in their respective careers that they fought!!

So most of you guys think that Pernell won agains Chavez, and if the fight wasn't stopped an the 12th he would of won?, well, let me tell you something, after that fight Whithaker wasn't the same no more, he had some facial fractures, in his body was completly messed up to the point that he was peeing blood, and if we talk about the brain damage that he suffer because of that fight, you can still find him trying to be a world champion. That was a massacre in all means...
Chavez seams to be under-rated by the new "generation" of boxing fans, just the people that saw him fighting in his prime can say, he's not even close to be overestimated at all.
lmao.... that was Meldrik Taylor but you have a good analysis of that fight though. ;)

I assume you mean Taylor instead of Whitaker in your above thread..Pete Whitaker is no Meldrick Taylor he was a smarter fighter.. Taylor fought the wrong style as a professional for the talent he was blessed with.. He always reverted back to being a Philly fighter when hit and slugged toe to toe.. Whitaker was more of a technician. He would have frustrated Chavez at any time in their respective careers that they fought!!


Well said. Whitaker would have never slugged it out like that with Chavez. He would have done exactly what he did in their "draw". Slipping and intelligently moving away from Chavez left/rights while popping him with accurate punches all night.

So most of you guys think that Pernell won agains Chavez, and if the fight wasn't stopped an the 12th he would of won?, well, let me tell you something, after that fight Whithaker wasn't the same no more, he had some facial fractures, in his body was completly messed up to the point that he was peeing blood, and if we talk about the brain damage that he suffer because of that fight, you can still find him trying to be a world champion. That was a massacre in all means...
Chavez seams to be under-rated by the new "generation" of boxing fans, just the people that saw him fighting in his prime can say, he's not even close to be overestimated at all.


Oh yeah it was a real massacre. :rolleyes: