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12-01-2004, 03:52 PM
Tyson-Holyfield-2.
Golota-Bowe-1-2.
The most scandalous case in fight for a title. Your opinion.
Golota-Bowe-1-2.
The most scandalous case in fight for a title. Your opinion.
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View Full Version : The most scandalous case in fight for a title. Great 12-01-2004, 03:52 PM Tyson-Holyfield-2. Golota-Bowe-1-2. The most scandalous case in fight for a title. Your opinion. spinksjinx 12-01-2004, 04:00 PM Tyson-Holyfield-2. Golota-Bowe-1-2. The most scandalous case in fight for a title. Your opinion. Holyfield vs Lewis was pretty controversial The most in my book would have to be: Jack Dempsey vs Jess Willard if you know the fight im sure you know the story that surrounds it. Great 12-01-2004, 04:13 PM Holyfield vs Lewis was pretty controversial The most in my book would have to be: Jack Dempsey vs Jess Willard if you know the fight im sure you know the story that surrounds it. I know, certainly. But precisely it is not proved. The dirtiest cases in a ring (title fights). I speak about the facts. For example, all saw, how Tyson has bitten an ear of Evander. Yogi 12-01-2004, 05:13 PM I know, certainly. But precisely it is not proved. The dirtiest cases in a ring (title fights). I speak about the facts. For example, all saw, how Tyson has bitten an ear of Evander. Both the "Plaster of Paris" and the "Dempsey had a metal rod is his hand" stories have both been proven to be untrue. Not to mention the injuries Willard "supposedly" recieved from that fight have also been proven to be grossly exaggerated. Atwa_66 12-01-2004, 05:25 PM Golota-Ruiz I don't know how controversial it is, But I do think that there was something going on with the judges there, alot of people have different opinions, But I think that Golota definitely won that fight. :( Great 12-01-2004, 06:34 PM Both the "Plaster of Paris" and the "Dempsey had a metal rod is his hand" stories have both been proven to be untrue. Not to mention the injuries Willard "supposedly" recieved from that fight have also been proven to be grossly exaggerated. What weighty proofs? The Fix 12-01-2004, 06:58 PM foreman- axel shultz(spelling?) thats shultz dude beat foreman easy and they handed that match and the title to foreman ejk22 12-01-2004, 07:07 PM Tyson-Holyfield-2. Golota-Bowe-1-2. The most scandalous case in fight for a title. Your opinion. Why do you feel that Bowe vs Golota was scandalous? Yogi 12-01-2004, 07:12 PM What weighty proofs? Lots of proof, but without getting into details, I sum it up like this; First off, among others Willard's chief second observed Dempsey's hands being wrapped in the dressing room. Secondly, the full fight footage shows Dempsey coming into the ring without gloves on, and going over to the referee and shaking his hand (and the ref definately would've noticed something). And thirdly, Sports Illustrated, right after Jack Kearn's "confession" (which should be meaningless, considering him and Dempsey had a bad falling out while Dempsey was still fighting), did a study by putting Plaster of Paris on the hand wraps of the hard hitting, Cleveland Williams, and the study shows the plaster would not be able to stay intact while punching with the force of Williams or Dempsey. And also, Dempsey took off his gloves and had his wraps cut off (which would be next to impossible to cut off with plaster on it) in front of many eye witnesses on both sides. Kearns made up that "Plaster of Paris" story, as he needed the money, and since him and Dempsey were on each other's bad side, he didn't care what the consequences were. And that "metal rod" story that said Dempsey dropped something in the corner after the first round (there's two versions shown, one with Dempsey appearing not to drop something, and one that appears he did drop something, which was edited by a member of Willard's family), is easily disputed by watching the fight. There's many instances in the first round where Dempsey grabs the ropes with one hand, then the other (which are open, and happen after various knockdowns), and that would be impossible to do if Jack was holding onto something in either of them. Willard's injuries were examined by a man who wasn't even a doctor, and those are the injuries that the press got a hold of. But if those injuries had any truth to them (a number of broken bones in his jaw), do you think Willard would've been able to do a newspaper interview, the day after the fight took place? The obvious answer is no, because if you had that many broken bones in your jaw (reportedly a dozen), there's no chance of you speaking to anybody for quite awhile, yet that is exactly what Willard did the very next day. Jack Kearns was a money hungry bull****ter, the fight film dispells the metal rod theory, and Willard's injuries were exaggerated by someone who wasn't even a doctor. That about sums it up, but if you want more specifics, just ask. hexman 12-01-2004, 07:31 PM whitaker vs chavez...draw?come on they just didnt wanna fuk up that recored 77-0-69 <<something like that Great 12-02-2004, 07:15 AM Lots of proof, but without getting into details, I sum it up like this; ............. That about sums it up, but if you want more specifics, just ask. Very much I want, because very interesting facts, I did not know many of which. And why Jack Kearns has staked on a knockout in the first round? Why he was so is confident a victory already in the first round? Great 12-02-2004, 07:20 AM Why do you feel that Bowe vs Golota was scandalous? I have unsuccessfully formulated an idea. I wanted to hear from you the most improbable dirty acts of boxers in fights for a title. BoxingPromoter 12-02-2004, 09:44 AM Ali vs Cooper...Ali had been just knocked down by cooper, in between rounds Angelo Dundee(Ali trainer) noticed a small rip in his glove. knowing that his fighter had been hurt and needed time to recover, he made the rip bigger and brought it to the attension of the referee so that Ali could change gloves and get his bearings back. I don't think it was such a big deal back then but could you imagine what would happen now if a cornerman like,I don't know, Norman Stone ripped his fighter's glove. It would be a huge scandal! :mad: grayfist 12-02-2004, 10:14 AM Many--if not most-- of Ad Wolgast fights were said to be so foul-filled as to be scandalous. And many of Battling Nelson's fights were reported to be not too far behind. :) ejk22 12-02-2004, 10:57 AM Tyson biting Holy's ear. Although I don't remember whether or not a belt was on the line because Bowe had lost the WBA and IBF belt to Holyfield, the illegal low blow tactics of Golota was unbelievable at the time. Also a Doctor shooting up Golota with a painkiller in his arteries instead of the musle that was giving him trouble which resluted in Golota passing out twice and getting high before his fight against Lennox Lewis was very scandalous, however was never discussed publicly. Eman 12-02-2004, 01:54 PM Bowe-Golota would have to be #1. But another one would have to be mosley and Dlh 2. I think mosley was surprised he won that one. T-Hop 12-02-2004, 02:11 PM Dempsey v. Tunney. Without the long count, Dempsey would have gotten up and finished his man. whdempsey 12-02-2004, 02:56 PM Neither of the Bowe-Golota fights were for titles. Great 12-02-2004, 03:16 PM Ali vs Cooper...Ali had been just knocked down by cooper, in between rounds Angelo Dundee(Ali trainer) noticed a small rip in his glove. knowing that his fighter had been hurt and needed time to recover, he made the rip bigger and brought it to the attension of the referee so that Ali could change gloves and get his bearings back. Very good, man. Very good. Angelo Dundee... Who else? BoxingPromoter 12-02-2004, 03:56 PM Very good, man. Very good. Angelo Dundee... Who else? Bundini Brown? Ferdie Pachecmo? The1God 12-02-2004, 04:05 PM Remember Chez vs Holyfield... After the fight Bobby *****ed about evander having a chemical on his gloves. Bobby's face was all red after two rounds, and he didn't get hit that much. They made him out to be a little whiney ***** after the fight. I never did hear anything about that after the fight. Great 12-02-2004, 06:52 PM I didn`t know that. :) Great 12-02-2004, 06:53 PM Bundini Brown? Ferdie Pachecmo? For what?. Why? Mikie 12-02-2004, 07:51 PM 1. The first Holyfield-Lewis fight 2. Tito- DLH (DLH should not have ran from rd 8 on) Yogi 12-02-2004, 07:57 PM Juan Coggi/Eder Gonzalez I If you've seen it, you saw the most blatantly corrupt officiating ever seen in a boxing ring. abdiel2k3 12-02-2004, 08:11 PM Hamed vs Barrera Hamed Was Robbed Barrera was allowed to hit and block all of hameds punches sincerely, Naseem Hamed whdempsey 12-02-2004, 11:10 PM Very much I want, because very interesting facts, I did not know many of which. And why Jack Kearns has staked on a knockout in the first round? Why he was so is confident a victory already in the first round? Because Jack Dempsey scored the third most first-round knockouts of any fighter. Kearns nearly won that bet, too. There was a string between the knocker and the bell, and so the sound was muffled when it was was rung to begin the round. The clock had been running for about ten seconds when the principles were informed that the fight had begun. If there hadn't been a problem with the bell, Jess Willard would have been counted out. P@pasmurf 12-02-2004, 11:11 PM tyson hoylfield 2 bchynn 12-03-2004, 12:05 AM I don't know about the most scandelous... A noteworthy mention is the Benn-McClellan fight. I thought Benn was allowed to punch to the back of the head way too often. Yogi 12-03-2004, 03:21 AM Very much I want, because very interesting facts, I did not know many of which. And why Jack Kearns has staked on a knockout in the first round? Why he was so is confident a victory already in the first round? Here, I found this great article on the Dempsey/Willard controversy. The article was written by a member of the International Boxing Research Organization, with help from from other members. It should answer all your questions. http://coxscorner.tripod.com/dempsey_gloves.html Zhen 12-03-2004, 03:27 AM Throw in that Ottke - Reid fight. Swifty 12-03-2004, 04:11 AM Sonny Liston's second fite against Ali. pinaldino 12-03-2004, 05:08 AM anyone saw D. Haussler/glen Catley a couple of years ago for the supermiddle european belt? Catley gave a boxing lesson to the german dude, made his face look like shredded meat and lost a UD! Nobody could believe it, starting with haussler I think! sean2079 12-03-2004, 05:18 AM Pacman vs Marquez , i think anyone who watched it think that pac won. julDilla 12-03-2004, 05:22 AM Hopkins - Allen I i saw that Hopkins was getting beat and i didnt see how he was gonna come back to win, cuz allen was being the aggressor and landing good punches and the fight was looking to keep going allen's way, i dont know if Hopkins was having a bad night, but it turned into him being pushed off the ropes and out the ring and got a N.C. Great 12-03-2004, 05:36 AM Because Jack Dempsey scored the third most first-round knockouts of any fighter. (Probably, I have misunderstood this offer). Who the first and the second? Great 12-03-2004, 05:40 AM Here, I found this great article on the Dempsey/Willard controversy. The article was written by a member of the International Boxing Research Organization, with help from from other members. It should answer all your questions. http://coxscorner.tripod.com/dempsey_gloves.html Thank you. :) Yogi 12-03-2004, 05:44 AM Thank you. :) Glad to help! :) |