Too me it is clear, Oscar is the better fighter of the two, sure he does not devistate his opponents like Tito but he has never been embarrased or outclassed in the ring and Tito has been humiliated in two fights in his career, Oscar has been in every fight he has fought and you can't say the same thing for Mr. Trinidad.

Who is the better fighter and who will have the better legacy?

If you are from Puerto Rico and you answer the obvious choice in Oscar you got Karma coming...

Oscar by FAR!!!!!!

Too me it is clear, Oscar is the better fighter of the two, sure he does not devistate his opponents like Tito but he has never been embarrased or outclassed in the ring and Tito has been humiliated in two fights in his career, Oscar has been in every fight he has fought and you can't say the same thing for Mr. Trinidad.

Who is the better fighter and who will have the better legacy?

If you are from Puerto Rico and you answer the obvious choice in Oscar you got Karma coming...

I think that their legacies are even. Sure, DLH was never embarrassed but his fight against Sturm almost was an embarrassment, in my opinion, and his sellout against Hopkins was truly a disgrace.

Oscar - http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=008253

Trinidad - http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=003254

Oscar, Trinidad is a loser.

I think Oscars is, but its funny how strikingly similar their path to fame is...

They both beat their countries legends when they were old, Tito beat camacho, Oscar beat chavez.

They both sorta re-launched their career by beating skill limited tough guys and made them fight past their real weights. Tito Mayorga, Oscar Gatti.

both beat old drug damaged whitaker, and didnt look good doing it.

Both had some trouble with Vargas before stopping him and both got stopped against hopkins.

I think Oscars is, but its funny how strikingly similar their path to fame is...

They both beat their countries legends when they were old, Tito beat camacho, Oscar beat chavez.

They both sorta re-launched their career by beating skill limited tough guys and made them fight past their real weights. Tito Mayorga, Oscar Gatti.

both beat old drug damaged whitaker, and didnt look good doing it.

Both had some trouble with Vargas before stopping him and both got stopped against hopkins.

Nice comparisons although the Sweat Pea that Oscar fought was a lot more game than the one that Tito drilled, had Sweat Pea fought the same style that he used against Oscar he would have beaten Tito...

Whitaker thought he was Mike Tyson against Tito and went straight at him...if he would have been the usually defensive minded sweat pea Tito would have never touched him.

I think Oscars is, but its funny how strikingly similar their path to fame is...

They both beat their countries legends when they were old, Tito beat camacho, Oscar beat chavez.

They both sorta re-launched their career by beating skill limited tough guys and made them fight past their real weights. Tito Mayorga, Oscar Gatti.

both beat old drug damaged whitaker, and didnt look good doing it.

Both had some trouble with Vargas before stopping him and both got stopped against hopkins.
Whitaker wasnt old, and Camacho lost like a year before to Chavez when Trinidad fought him, and Chavez was 97-1-1, so unless he was fighting milkmen there shouldnt of been a problem.

Tito but the main reason I feel that way is that Oscar has failed in his biggest tests that he SHOULD have shown in. Running from Trinidad the second half of that fight and failing to at least split with Mosely has really put a damper on his legacy.

I think Mosely should fight Judah or Trinidad next, btw. It'd be a great fight for us fans. An epitaph to the career of either fighter though.

oscar by a long shot, since 10.30.1993 oscar has only faced two unknown fighters still with ok records Darryl tyson and Derrell Coley who was 34.1.2, he has always faced top name fighters and won in most cases like ,trinidad and mosley 2, sturm could have gone either way or a draw

trinidad faced Freddie Pendleton and beat him in a 5 round ko, now this guy was also was ko by Frankie Randall in 5, John Montes in 10, Vince Phillips in 10, James Page in 11, Ben Tackie in 1 and Hatton in 2, he also lost to Whitaker and Ruelas in 12 rds UD

he loss 26 times

I think they will be seen as one of the best in their time. Who was a better fighter? Oscar by far, he didnt have Tito devistating punch, but thats all Tito had. Oscar had a way more bigger fan base and with his promotional company he will be in boxing for a long time. So beleive Oscar will have a bigger legacy in boxing

Oscar De La Hoya!
Warrior, Champion, Legend!
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/86/Oscar%20De%20La%20Hoya%20Felix%20Trinidad.jpg

Chavez was 33 when De La Hoya fought him, both Trinidad and DLH are around that age now.Ronald Wright and Shane are 33.

Tito but the main reason I feel that way is that Oscar has failed in his biggest tests that he SHOULD have shown in. Running from Trinidad the second half of that fight and failing to at least split with Mosely has really put a damper on his legacy.

I think Mosely should fight Judah or Trinidad next, btw. It'd be a great fight for us fans. An epitaph to the career of either fighter though.

He got robbed on two of the three fights mentioned (counting Mosely as two fights). He beat Tito, and he beat Shane in the second fight.

Ohh in case someone is interested in the De La Hoya Vs. Sturm Score Card, see below:
http://www.*********.com/1photos/delahoya_sturm_scorecard.jpg

Better fighter - Oscar
Better legacy - Tito

Oscar in big fights needed the help of judges to win fights. DLH/Pea,DLH/Quarty,DLH/Sturm and gave away the fight to Tito. Oscar best performance in his career was a win over a shattered chin Vargas. Yes he beat a shot Chavez, but Chavez came in the fight with a cut in which in suffered during training. Chavez should of postponed the fight but he thought DLH was still the same kid he dropped and hurt years earlier.

Tito may of not had the skills of Oscar, but he finished big fights with an exception to his fight with Oscar. After his "win" over Oscar, Tito really took the boxing world by storm. He moved up in weight and fought good fighters and WON hands down. During that stretch of wins he was P4P the best in game. Yes that was when Roy was fighting bums.

i dont even like oscar but i know its him


tito is going down in history as a great fighter but also as a quitter

Ohh in case someone is interested in the De La Hoya Vs. Sturm Score Card, see below:
http://www.*********.com/1photos/delahoya_sturm_scorecard.jpg




OMFG they gave round 12 to oscar WTF!!!!!! lmao same thing happened in the golota-byrd fight. HOW DO U WIN A ROUND WHERE U GET BEAT THE WORST LMAO!!!!!!

i had the last round to oscar as well. But i had rouds 9 to 11 i think to Surm. I had it a draw

I think Oscar de la Hoya did betta things than Trinidad. Oscar is mo popular and jest look at them now. Trinidad was one sidedly beaten by Winky and Trinidad goes back to retirment home. Oscar will probably fight Judah and has a chance to become champ again.

I think Oscar de la Hoya did betta things than Trinidad. Oscar is mo popular and jest look at them now. Trinidad was one sidedly beaten by Winky and Trinidad goes back to retirment home. Oscar will probably fight Judah and has a chance to become champ again.

Honestly, Tito fought two guys too big and good as opposed to just "too good". He's aging and only a fool can bag on him too much for either loss. He pushed the limits and found out where his boundaries are.

My question is why must a fighter keep on campaigning til he gets beat the **** up in the ring? I'm just guessing but he may need to retire; why can't his loved ones and advisors convince him of same?

****, I've always respected him and admired him if not all his fans.

Oscar Dela Hoya all the way!!!

first of all, Oscar has an Olympic gold medal in his name. he fought and won professional titles in 6 different weight classes. he is incomparable to tito

Honestly, Tito fought two guys too big and good as opposed to just "too good". He's aging and only a fool can bag on him too much for either loss. He pushed the limits and found out where his boundaries are.

My question is why must a fighter keep on campaigning til he gets beat the **** up in the ring? I'm just guessing but he may need to retire; why can't his loved ones and advisors convince him of same?

****, I've always respected him and admired him if not all his fans.

yea I agree. Now that we are on this matta, I guess Lennox Lewis must be a Harvard graduate! bwahahahehehehe!

Its DLH by far.


Dont pay IwatchBoxing any attention. He just losses all sense of reality when it comes to Puerto Rican fighters.

against the 3 best fighters Tito fougfht not only did he lose he's wasn't even competative. What did he do after his first "official loss"? did he come back harder and stronger than ever?...Nope he retired and quit, What did he do after the Winky fight? Did he pursure a rematch?...Nope he retired and quit.

They are just two of the best fighters of our era...

Whitaker wasnt old, and Camacho lost like a year before to Chavez when Trinidad fought him, and Chavez was 97-1-1, so unless he was fighting milkmen there shouldnt of been a problem.

whitiker was 35 at the time he fought trinidad so yeah id say he was old. it was also whitikers second to last fight before he retired, there is no way tito lays a glove on a prime sweet pea. whitikers defense was excelent and top 10 all time, if you think he had trouble with wrights defense i can only imagine the fits pernell would have given tito. whitiker is an all time great fighter and far better than tito. whitker is def top 20, tito aint top 50

Its DLH by far.


Dont pay IwatchBoxing any attention. He just losses all sense of reality when it comes to Puerto Rican fighters.

against the 3 best fighters Tito fougfht not only did he lose he's wasn't even competative. What did he do after his first "official loss"? did he come back harder and stronger than ever?...Nope he retired and quit, What did he do after the Winky fight? Did he pursure a rematch?...Nope he retired and quit.

Jose I respect you a lot, but when it comes to Oscar you are also a bit biased...Oscar lost to Nard, Mosley, Sturm, and yes he was winning the fight against Tito but he RUN like a coward in the last 4 rounds...

Tito lost to two of the best tactical fighter on the sport, one unbeaten for a whole decade and another for the past 5 year, the same guy that beat Mosley twice..

I wouldn't rate one above the other, In my book the best 3 fighters of my era are Trinidad, De La Hoya, and Roy Jones..

whitiker was 35 at the time he fought trinidad so yeah id say he was old. it was also whitikers second to last fight before he retired, there is no way tito lays a glove on a prime sweet pea. whitikers defense was excelent and top 10 all time, if you think he had trouble with wrights defense i can only imagine the fits pernell would have given tito. whitiker is an all time great fighter and far better than tito. whitker is def top 20, tito aint top 50
Well stop imagining, Trinidad would do better than Chavez, too big, and he could box at Welterweight too, he would of still won, and De La Hoya stood well with him in his prime, he is not as invinceable as you think.

yea I agree. Now that we are on this matta, I guess Lennox Lewis must be a Harvard graduate! bwahahahehehehe!

Sorry, I'm not following you, bro.

I must be dreaming.. I just imagined that I read someone post "Tito, DLH, and Roy Jones are the three greatest fighters of our era"!!! I have now come to the conclusion that these Tito nuthiggers are stupid..but they cannot possibly be this stupid!! Tito would be hard presed to crack the top ten best fighters of this era..never mind top 3.. Maybe if he wasnt such a cowardly little ***** an just attempted to avenge a loss.. He is a punching bully who lacks significant character to be an all time great.. Character allows one to come back from adversity and to adapt and change.. None of which Cheato could do!!

Jose I respect you a lot, but when it comes to Oscar you are also a bit biased...Oscar lost to Nard, Mosley, Sturm, and yes he was winning the fight against Tito but he RUN like a coward in the last 4 rounds...

Tito lost to two of the best tactical fighter on the sport, one unbeaten for a whole decade and another for the past 5 year, the same guy that beat Mosley twice..

I wouldn't rate one above the other, In my book the best 3 fighters of my era are Trinidad, De La Hoya, and Roy Jones..


No its DLH and by far.

Look at there resume's and what they did when they fought eachother.

Yes DLH ran, but to say he ran like a coward would imply that Tito made him run, which is obviously not the case. If it is would you like to point out the moment when Tito adjusted and started to land on DLH?

Its not that Tito lost. Everyone losses its the way he lost. He wasn't even competative and they way he handled losing. Instead of coming back stronger he just ran away to his little island with his tail tucked between his legs.

If your gonna say DLH lost to Mosley in the rematch then you must say Tito lost to DLH.

Who really is the best fighter Tito ever beat? Fernando Vargas?

No its DLH and by far.

Look at there resume's and what they did when they fought eachother.

Yes DLH ran, but to say he ran like a coward would imply that Tito made him run, which is obviously not the case. If it is would you like to point out the moment when Tito adjusted and started to land on DLH?

Its not that Tito lost. Everyone losses its the way he lost. He wasn't even competative and they way he handled losing. Instead of coming back stronger he just ran away to his little island with his tail tucked between his legs.

If your gonna say DLH lost to Mosley in the rematch then you must say Tito lost to DLH.

Who really is the best fighter Tito ever beat? Fernando Vargas?What a hater you are Jose, DLH is his biggest win, the greatest Mexican fighter ever, if your too drunk to score correctly, dont attempt too, other than Oscar I would say Macho cause people make alot of excuses about Whitiker, you just post crap now.

No its DLH and by far.

Look at there resume's and what they did when they fought eachother.

Yes DLH ran, but to say he ran like a coward would imply that Tito made him run, which is obviously not the case. If it is would you like to point out the moment when Tito adjusted and started to land on DLH?

Its not that Tito lost. Everyone losses its the way he lost. He wasn't even competative and they way he handled losing. Instead of coming back stronger he just ran away to his little island with his tail tucked between his legs.

If your gonna say DLH lost to Mosley in the rematch then you must say Tito lost to DLH.

Who really is the best fighter Tito ever beat? Fernando Vargas?


Vargas is the best fighter that Tito beat and even then he had to cheat to do it.. He landed that left hook in round 1 and Vargas wasnt the same for the rest of the fight.. Even in his wobbled state he still would have taken Tito out if Tito didnt target his nuts!! Tito and Prince Naseem are definetly, beyond a shadow of a doubt on the top 5 overrated fighters of this era!!

I must be dreaming.. I just imagined that I read someone post "Tito, DLH, and Roy Jones are the three greatest fighters of our era"!!! I have now come to the conclusion that these Tito nuthiggers are stupid..but they cannot possibly be this stupid!! Tito would be hard presed to crack the top ten best fighters of this era..never mind top 3.. Maybe if he wasnt such a cowardly little ***** an just attempted to avenge a loss.. He is a punching bully who lacks significant character to be an all time great.. Character allows one to come back from adversity and to adapt and change.. None of which Cheato could do!!

Hey *****, I said that in MY book they are the best 3...You don't have to agree with it...Stop talkin ****...

What a hater you are Jose, DLH is his biggest win, the greatest Mexican fighter ever, if your too drunk to score correctly, dont attempt too, other than Oscar I would say Macho cause people make alot of excuses about Whitiker, you just post crap now.


I Watch Titos nuts in my mouth.... Please state your case.. Rounds 1-8 DLH clearly won.. Which of those rounds did you give to Tito?

Hey *****, I said that in MY book they are the best 3...You don't have to agree with it...Stop talkin ****...


That's cool.. You are admitting you are biased then.. I can respect that!! Thats a sign of character

Hey *****, I said that in MY book they are the best 3...You don't have to agree with it...Stop talkin ****...

I tried to reason a few times with this 214 dude but it's a total waste of time. Try the ignore list.

Who really is the best fighter Tito ever beat? Fernando Vargas?

And who is the best fighter DLH ever beat? an already beaten Vargas?

And who is the best fighter DLH ever beat? an already beaten Vargas?


DLH really beat Tito.. and he barely even threw a punch in the last four rounds.. That tells you how lopsided the first 8 were.. Titos nose was busted open and blood was all over his trunks.. He looked lost out there.. Please tell me what round 1-8 you had Tito winning that could have possibly justifying even scoring this fight a draw!

What a hater you are Jose, DLH is his biggest win, the greatest Mexican fighter ever, if your too drunk to score correctly, dont attempt too, other than Oscar I would say Macho cause people make alot of excuses about Whitiker, you just post crap now.


haha

So his biggest win was a fight he was outlanded by a 2-1 clip. Wow what a domiante performance.

I think its you who needs to learn how to score a fight.

By "excuses" do you mean, was in his mid 30's, was coming off a year long suspension for drug abuse and had been in and out of jail all that year?

And who is the best fighter DLH ever beat? an already beaten Vargas?


Um...Ike Quartey an undeafeated top ten p4p Champion at the time.

DLH really beat Tito.. and he barely even threw a punch in the last four rounds.. That tells you how lopsided the first 8 were.. Titos nose was busted open and blood was all over his trunks.. He looked lost out there.. Please tell me what round 1-8 you had Tito winning that could have possibly justifying even scoring this fight a draw!
As if it matters, some of you guys are in straight denial of it being a close fight, we can go on forever and noone can prove ****, its a dead horse topic whatever, no point, just a W on Trinidads record.

haha

So his biggest win was a fight he was outlanded by a 2-1 clip. Wow what a domiante performance.

I think its you who needs to learn how to score a fight.

By "excuses" do you mean, was in his mid 30's, was coming off a year long suspension for drug abuse and had been in and out of jail all that year?
Trinidad came out of retirement, went through 9/11, has family issuses, and is in his 30's, if that cant be used as an excuse, than neither can that, fact is he basicly had only two loses on his record. I understand, but he was good enough for 12 rounds.

haha

So his biggest win was a fight he was outlanded by a 2-1 clip. Wow what a domiante performance.

I think its you who needs to learn how to score a fight.

By "excuses" do you mean, was in his mid 30's, was coming off a year long suspension for drug abuse and had been in and out of jail all that year?


Dont waste your time Jose.. Titos nuthuggers are just as close-minded as the man they worship.. BHop and Winky have both said Tito is dumb!! AS214 says "The Boricua Organization is even dumber"... FOr the way they boasted and proclaimed Tito's greatness leading up to this fight was of horrific proportions. I WatchBoxing actually said in another forum that Tito is to be considered an all time Latin great..with the likes of Chavez, Sanchez, and Duran.. Sad.sad..sad..

As if it matters, some of you guys are in straight denial of it being a close fight, we can go on forever and noone can prove ****, its a dead horse topic whatever, no point, just a W on Trinidads record.


and Courtney Burton has a W against Emanuel Agustus.
Boxing aint black and white jr.

DLH really beat Tito.. and he barely even threw a punch in the last four rounds.. That tells you how lopsided the first 8 were.. Titos nose was busted open and blood was all over his trunks.. He looked lost out there.. Please tell me what round 1-8 you had Tito winning that could have possibly justifying even scoring this fight a draw!

I had Oscar winning by points, but I was pleased with the dec cuz acted like a coward running the last 4 rnds of the most important fight of your life...

I had Oscar winning by points, but I was pleased with the dec cuz acted like a coward running the last 4 rnds of the most important fight of your life...


Like I said please point out to me the point in the fight were Tito made DLH run? Point out to me when he started landing and doing damage.

I had Oscar winning by points, but I was pleased with the dec cuz acted like a coward running the last 4 rnds of the most important fight of your life...



Borikua I respect you immensely for just saying that!! You are a class act, your Organization doesnt deserve you!!

Um...Ike Quartey an undeafeated top ten p4p Champion at the time.

Well...Um..Tito beat an undefeated Campas, Vargas, Reid, etc..

I think Oscars is, but its funny how strikingly similar their path to fame is...

They both beat their countries legends when they were old, Tito beat camacho, Oscar beat chavez.

They both sorta re-launched their career by beating skill limited tough guys and made them fight past their real weights. Tito Mayorga, Oscar Gatti.

both beat old drug damaged whitaker, and didnt look good doing it.

Both had some trouble with Vargas before stopping him and both got stopped against hopkins.

Felix ate Winky's jab all nite and Oscar ate Sturms.Oscar had trouble with Felix, I wonder where Winky would be if he was given a shot 5 or 6 years ago instead everyone ducking him.

Well...Um..Tito beat an undefeated Campas, Vargas, Reid, etc..


You do realize the huge gap in TALENT between Ike Quartey and the guys you mentioned right?

You do realize the huge gap in TALENT between Ike Quartey and the guys you mentioned right?
Both De La Hoyas and Trinidads records are better than Chavez, thats good enough for me.

Felix ate Winky's jab all nite and Oscar ate Sturms.Oscar had trouble with Felix, I wonder where Winky would be if he was given a shot 5 or 6 years ago instead everyone ducking him.


He'd be losing to Fernando Vargas, Julio Cesar Green and Hary Simon.

One of the biggest myths in boxing is that Winky was avoided. He got plenty of opertunities, but had always came up short until his fight with Mosley.

You do realize the huge gap in TALENT between Ike Quartey and the guys you mentioned right?

You realize that Vargas beat Quartey, right?

You realize that Vargas beat Quartey, right?
He doesnt, hes a drunk.

Like I said please point out to me the point in the fight were Tito made DLH run? Point out to me when he started landing and doing damage.

Didn't you saw the fight? He start landing some good shots in the later rounds and DLH looked exhausted as hell...

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/box/1999/0918/photo/a_990918ft.jpg

http://www.sunmedia.ca/BoxingImages/sep18_delahoya_trinidad7.jpg

http://www.lasvegassun.com/from.ed/1999/sep/19/photos/P000029943.jpg

Remember now?...

Damn look at those blood soaked trunks that Tito has on.. Oh yeah I remember those were from DLH busting him up for Rounds 1-8!! Oscar was masterful for the first 8 rounds..Compubox shows him landing almost double of what Tito did!! Tito's reaction at the end of the fight said it all.. He knew that he lost and was suprised when he was given the nod!!

I don't know about "legacy" or whatever that BS means to people, but who had a better career?

Oscar. Not by far though. He beat Vargas who had taken quite a beating from Tito. Oscar lost a close fight to a prime Shane Mosley and beat Mosley easily in the rematch. Oscar has never been beaten down by anyone really. Tito has. I suppose that's why I give Oscar a slight edge.

Also, if Oscar fights and beats Judah his rep will increase again.

You realize that Vargas beat Quartey, right?


How many fights did Ike have in the almost 2 years between those fights?

Yeah thats right. Do you know why he came back? for money thats why.

Didn't you saw the fight? He start landing some good shots in the later rounds and DLH looked exhausted as hell...

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/box/1999/0918/photo/a_990918ft.jpg

http://www.sunmedia.ca/BoxingImages/sep18_delahoya_trinidad7.jpg

http://www.lasvegassun.com/from.ed/1999/sep/19/photos/P000029943.jpg

Remember now?...

Yeah I saw the fight.

The one with Tito's head down and eyes closed is by far the funniest one. What damage.

How many fights did Ike have in the almost 2 years between those fights?

Yeah thats right. Do you know why he came back? for money thats why.

How many fights did Trinidad have in the last three years before facing Wright? Be objective, dude. You criticize Trinidad and can't seem to see the flaws of DLH.

How many fights did Trinidad have in the last three years before facing Wright? Be objective, dude. You criticize Trinidad and can't seem to see the flaws of DLH.


He just fought Mayorga.

How many fights did Tito have in the two years before DLH? How many in the two years before Hopkins?

He just fought Mayorga.

How many fights did Tito have in the two years before DLH? How many in the two years before Hopkins?

Did DLH clearly beat Whitaker and Quartey? No argument?

I can recognize that Trinidad has limitations. Why can't you do the same with DLH? Last time I saw, he was getting a gift decision against Sturm and making his best effort to get an Academy Award nomination in his fight with Hopkins.

Well stop imagining, Trinidad would do better than Chavez, too big, and he could box at Welterweight too, he would of still won, and De La Hoya stood well with him in his prime, he is not as invinceable as you think.
there is no way tito beats a prime whitiker, did you see the way tito looks against boxers? prime whitiker makes tito look foolish. he would be the slickest boxer tito ever fought and imo he was better than dlh as well. you couldnt possibly tell me tito would outbox whitaker . and whitaker would land at will against tito's lack of defense.

imo the best fighters of our era are: roy jones jr, bernard hopkins, james toney, evander holyfield, lennox lewis, pernell whitaker and oscar de la hoya.

Did DLH clearly beat Whitaker and Quartey? No argument?

I can recognize that Trinidad has limitations. Why can't you do the same with DLH? Last time I saw, he was getting a gift decision against Sturm and making his best effort to get an Academy Award nomination in his fight with Hopkins.

There is a difference between a close win and a gift.

Sure you can say he lost to Sturm, but did he lose 12 rounds to 0? No

there is no way tito beats a prime whitiker, did you see the way tito looks against boxers? prime whitiker makes tito look foolish. he would be the slickest boxer tito ever fought and imo he was better than dlh as well. you couldnt possibly tell me tito would outbox whitaker . and whitaker would land at will against tito's lack of defense.

imo the best fighters of our era are: roy jones jr, bernard hopkins, james toney, evander holyfield, lennox lewis, pernell whitaker and oscar de la hoya.
Mike Tyson, Trinidad, Roy Jones Jr, Oscar De La Hoya, and the Prince are the best of this era, you stop right at Trinidad for whatever reason, but it doesnt really matter cause enough people have common sense over you, even Roy was planing on having a Mega fight with Trinidad, good list tho I agree, just left out Tito thats all.

there is no way tito beats a prime whitiker, did you see the way tito looks against boxers? prime whitiker makes tito look foolish. he would be the slickest boxer tito ever fought and imo he was better than dlh as well. you couldnt possibly tell me tito would outbox whitaker . and whitaker would land at will against tito's lack of defense.

imo the best fighters of our era are: roy jones jr, bernard hopkins, james toney, evander holyfield, lennox lewis, pernell whitaker and oscar de la hoya.


Good list for best fighters of the era.. Barrera, Morales, and mayweather too.. Tito isnt even in the top ten of the era and some of his nuthuggers are saying he's an all time Latin great :bottle:

Mike Tyson, Trinidad, Roy Jones Jr, Oscar De La Hoya, and the Prince are the best of this era, you stop right at Trinidad for whatever reason, but it doesnt really matter cause enough people have common sense over you, even Roy was planing on having a Mega fight with Trinidad, good list tho I agree, just left out Tito thats all.


Tito and the Prince dont belong on that list

They are just two of the best fighters of our era...


Hey Boruk, I think this statement says it all...

First off let me say that you are a very good poster and there is nothing wrong with loyalty, too me it is one of the most important things a man can have, yeah loyalty can sometimes blind people, hell it blinds everyone at different moments but in a wierd way that is one of the special things that being loyal will do to someone. Your buddy may be dead wrong in a bar and get jumped and if you are truly loyal then you will jump in and go to war, not because what your buddy was doing was right but because of his "body of work" as your friend...a fighter, or a sports team is no different, you protect Tito because he has given you countless memories that have enhanced your life as well as your countries...sticking by him is what being loyal is all about and I would expect nothing less from you.

Now, your original statment above too me is very telling. Obviously you are probably still in a bit of shock about last saturday but reality is also starting to creep in with you-which is what I sense in your statement. I bet if we would have had this conversation a year ago or even a couple of weeks ago there is no way in ****ing hell that you would quietly say that Oscar and Tito are two of the best fighters of their era...sure you believe that but had this thread have played out like it has a week ago you would be soley in Tito's corner giving arguments that would better explain why Felix is better than Oscar...there is no way you would have gone with a tie as your statement indicates.

Now that saturday has played out the way it has even the most diehard Tito fans that consider themselves true boxing fans cannot really credibly back up their man anymore in terms of a comparison to a guy like Hoya, sure you can always back him up but in your heart you know your wrong.

I feel for you, it sucks when you love a fighter or a team or a person so much and then they blow up, but that is exactly what Tito did and it was not the first time and if he fights again it will not be the last...Every fighter just about loses but in Trinidad's two defeats he has been completely humiliated...Against Nard and Winky he without a shadow of a doubt did not belong in that ring and when we are talking about great fighters in the future these performances will stand out and 9 times out of 10 eliminate Tito from winning any mythical matchups that everyone likes to imagine...

you can't lose every round too Winky without some repercussions, you can easily make a case that he did not clearly win one round against NArd, against Oscar it appeared to be A vs. B, fortunately for Tito Oscar's fight plan turned into a flight plan and he was able to bask in that fools glory for a lot of years-Like I said in an earlier post Oscar deserves roylaties for what he showed the A fighters of the world that would one day face off with Felix.

So, a week ago you would have fought for Tito with every piece of knowledge you had in you, a week ago Tito was better in your mind than Oscar, but...today you are content with saying that "They are just two of the best fighters of our era..."

Your a loyal dude and that is awesome I respect you for it but the statement above might as well read Oscar is above Tito.

Hey Boruk, Cotto is a tough mother ****er and I think he can surpass Tito, obviously he has a long long way to go before that happens but we will all have a real good time talking **** as he tries to make a climb to the top for you and all of the people in the island.

Tito and the Prince dont belong on that list
Trinidad does, and the best fighters have style and give the fans what they want, thats why he is there, his style was crazy, and so where his fights, I dont really know the whole deal about him, but he was a great personality in the ring, and out, had alot of fans. (Prince)

Trinidad does, and the best fighters have style and give the fans what they want, thats why he is there, his style was crazy, and so where his fights, I dont really know the whole deal about him, but he was a great personality in the ring, and out, had alot of fans.


Trinidad (Puerto Ricans) and Prince (Arabs) were both very important to their respective contingents, nobody can deny that!! I just think their legacy and places in history will be hurt not by how they won, but by how they lost!! Roy Jones realizes this now that's why he wants to fight the winner of Tarver/Johnson!! I hope Tito is able to eventually put his defeats behind him.. I just hope he never regrets quitting and not giving it another chance in a rematch

I would have to say oscar only because I think he thinks for himself alot more in the ring and it better able to adapt his style until tito, for christsakes just kept moving left all damn night long. I really don't think that asnwered the question but I just wante to say it. They both have a great legacy and I only see DLH ahead by a slight margin, he could even have a greater legacy had more mexicans embraced him like they did for chavez but after he beat him I don't see that happening.

Lets just put it this way and it's real easy folks... Atleast Trinidad had the balls to step up to Wright(whether or not he thought it was gonna be easy is irrelevant) I think it's all very clear Delahoya doesn't want anything to do with Winky not now and definitely not before if ducking fighters was an art Delahoya has definitely mastered it well maybe not De la hoya himself, but the brains behind team De la hoya are brilliant in "manuevering" they know what their guy is not capable of. What did Delahoya do against Hopkins, two things for sure he had a funny way of showing that he was the aggressor and it was the worse way of quitting a fight, I mean I can understand if a fighter was getting beaten from pillar to post atleast Trinidad went out on his shield and not only that he was more competitive with Hopkins than Dela fruity was. Lets name another common opponent in Sweet Pea, I mean it was obvious that it wasn't the same Whitaker that faced both Hoya and Trinidad but we all knew who was the clear winner in those 2 bouts. Hmm another funny thing is too for a guy that got robbed De La fruity didn't seem to eager to go after the thief that robbed him in Trinidad, he did the same thing w/ Shane only after Mosley suffered consecutive concussions did he decide to take him on.

Mike Tyson, Trinidad, Roy Jones Jr, Oscar De La Hoya, and the Prince are the best of this era, you stop right at Trinidad for whatever reason, but it doesnt really matter cause enough people have common sense over you, even Roy was planing on having a Mega fight with Trinidad, good list tho I agree, just left out Tito thats all.
common sense? i think that is indeed what you are lacking with very questionable choices and absences. mike tyson maybe but he fell off in 92 and lost to every great fighter he faced. the prince has been running scared since barrera handled him so his inclusion into the best of this era is just wrong.

imo p4p tito doesnt belong with the fighters in my list, i believe he losses to each fighter p4p because he cannot adapt to the styles of boxers. he was a great fighter and had great power in both hands but imo he was just a cut below those guys.

Trinidad loses to awesome boxers like Hopkins and Wright and some start to say that he was overrated and a class below DLH, who clearly lost to Mosley(who is not as good as Hopkins or Wright) and really lost to Sturm. I think it's obvious that although Sturm is very talented and has a good style, he is not legendary material yet.

dlh and tito are both great fighters and will both be hall of famers. but tito has a better legacy than dlh . alot of people say that oscar really beat tito if you want to look at it that way oscar really lost to whitaker,quartey,and sturm he got gift decisions in all those fights . tito has fought better opposition and never ducked anybody..dlh only fought quartey because he had a 18 month layoff also he always said that he would not fight vargas but after tito gave him a beating he decides to fight him ,vargas was all ready shot when he fought dlh .out of the 2 fighters tito is the most devastating tito ended careers reid,vargas,joppy, were never the same after fighting tito .trinidad also had a better career than dlh at 154 beating reid and vargas and at 160 he destroyed joppy and mayorga .. yes tito got dominated by hopkins and winky at 160 but those guys are top 5 p4p oscar got the gift against sturm and did worst against hopkins than tito .based on this tito has a bigger legacy ..

dlh and tito are both great fighters and will both be hall of famers. but tito has a better legacy than dlh . alot of people say that oscar really beat tito if you want to look at it that way oscar really lost to whitaker,quartey,and sturm he got gift decisions in all those fights . tito has fought better opposition and never ducked anybody..dlh only fought quartey because he had a 18 month layoff also he always said that he would not fight vargas but after tito gave him a beating he decides to fight him ,vargas was all ready shot when he fought dlh .out of the 2 fighters tito is the most devastating tito ended careers reid,vargas,joppy, were never the same after fighting tito .trinidad also had a better career than dlh at 154 beating reid and vargas and at 160 he destroyed joppy and mayorga .. yes tito got dominated by hopkins and winky at 160 but those guys are top 5 p4p oscar got the gift against sturm and did worst against hopkins than tito .based on this tito has a bigger legacy ..

Your crazy...Oscar got gift decisions against Whitaker and Quartey??? Whitaker fought like a puss, Oscar easily won that fight, I know it is popular to say that he got a questionable decision but if you watch the fight again you will realize that the real travesty would have been if Sweat Pea got the nod.

Quartey got knocked down twice in the fight with Oscar, imagine Ike knocking down Oscar twice and dominating the 12th...too me the fight was on the table in the last round and Oscar went out an blew away Ike, he easily had the best round of the fight and you say he got a gift? You must be Puerto Rican?

As for his fight with Sturm, your right it was a gift, I thought he lost that fight in the 12th the same round that all of the judges gave to the golden boy...

Sturm was a real luck out for Oscar but his victories against Pernell and Ike are hardly gifts, go back and watch those fights again and you will realize that the word "gift" is a ****ing joke.

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Oscar dela hoya is by far the better fighter and the one with a better legacy, he deserves to be in the hall of fame, Tito doesn't now, he might still do if he doesnot retire and fights some good fights, but as far as the question of legacy goes, Oscar has built a great one, he has taken defeats and emerged better after them, he is an all time great.

Your crazy...Oscar got gift decisions against Whitaker and Quartey??? Whitaker fought like a puss, Oscar easily won that fight, I know it is popular to say that he got a questionable decision but if you watch the fight again you will realize that the real travesty would have been if Sweat Pea got the nod.

Quartey got knocked down twice in the fight with Oscar, imagine Ike knocking down Oscar twice and dominating the 12th...too me the fight was on the table in the last round and Oscar went out an blew away Ike, he easily had the best round of the fight and you say he got a gift? you must be puerto rican ?

As for his fight with Sturm, your right it was a gift, I thought he lost that fight in the 12th the same round that all of the judges gave to the golden boy...

Sturm was a real luck out for Oscar but his victories against Pernell and Ike are hardly gifts, go back and watch those fights again and you will realize that the word "gift" is a ****ing joke.

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it is my opinion that dlh got the decisions in the quartey fight and in the whitaker fight as is also my opinion tito has a better legacy so i must be puertorican ?? your opinion is that dlh has the better legacy so you must be mexican ?? and anyone that likes hopkins must be black ??? . this is the most ignorant thing people say on these post .

it is my opinion that dlh got the decisions in the quartey fight and in the whitaker fight as is also my opinion tito has a better legacy so i must be puertorican ?? your opinion is that dlh has the better legacy so you must be mexican ?? and anyone that likes hopkins must be black ??? . this is the most ignorant thing people say on these post .


Forgive me for being so damn racist, by the way Im a plain jane white boy who will phrase thngs differntly the second time around with you, I don't like offending people, especiall people that are wiser than me.

Let me get this straight, you think Ike Quartey beat Oscar, you think Pernell Whitaker beat Oscar and you think Felix Sturm beat Oscar...I think you are 1 for 3...

And I gurantee you if Ike Quartey knocked Oscar down in two different rounds and almost stopped him in the 12th and Oscar got the decision you would be citing all of this and going crazy to boot...this all happened but it was done by Oscar not against Oscar...

Again a gift decision for the whitaker and quartey fights...that is a ****ing joke, watch the fights damn it....man you must be polish...

Oscar did way better against Hopkins than what Tito did. Oscar is the only fighter to have won more than 4 rounds against B-Hop in 7 years. When he fought Tito, tito olny had one round on the scorcards.

I think great fighters have a difning moment in their careers which makes them great like Ali with Foreman, Foreman vs Moore, Ray Robinson vs. Jake lamotta. I think Oscar's shinning moments came against Vargas where he KO a dangerious and bigger guy, and against Quartey where it was a close fight and Oscar came in the 12th round and knocked him down and threw like a millions punches (i thought it was the greatest moment evr)

I also think his wins agianst Mosley II was one of his best performances in his career. He completly outboxed Mosley. Also the Tito fight where he won by a wide margin.

Tito's shinning moments have come against William Joppy (journeyman) and against Mayorga ( a welterweight). Camacho was never a great fighter and Pernell was 35 when he fought Tito. Pernell also Tested positive for cocain in his previous fight. He also lost his last 4 fights. You might make a argument when he fought Vargas, but he was bigger and more stronger than Vargas as well as the favorite. Vargas was a real young fighter at the time (22years old)

David reid ony had 14 fights when he faced Tito and his toughest fight before that was against Kevin Kelley.

I think Trinidads greatest win cam against Yory Boy Campas

I think Oscars is, but its funny how strikingly similar their path to fame is...

They both beat their countries legends when they were old, Tito beat camacho, Oscar beat chavez.

They both sorta re-launched their career by beating skill limited tough guys and made them fight past their real weights. Tito Mayorga, Oscar Gatti.

both beat old drug damaged whitaker, and didnt look good doing it.

Both had some trouble with Vargas before stopping him and both got stopped against hopkins.
Hi, very good observation! I think that both are great and did the best of them and brought glory to their people.

Trinidad by a mile. I don't think it's even close to be honest.

Oscar De La Hoya

I can't really say...

I'd give it to DLH since he ain't one dimensional..

Oscar De la Hoya baby! Hes the best P4P boxer in the past ten years talent wise. The only thing that hurts his legacy is the 2 robberies (Tito,Mosely2) and the 160 stint, but everybody knows he shouldnt have moved up that high, but hes got that heart of a champ so he had to. And plus......hes the Golden Boy what else do I gotta say!

Oscar De La Hoya, without doubt.

Oscar has a more complete fighting style. He is a boxer who can punch. You can't really say Trinidad can box unless he is fighting someone with no defense like Mayorga. Trinidad loves to get into a puncher's brawl with every opponent and he could probably beat many fighters that way except great boxers. All of Trinidad's losses have been lopsided and against skillful boxers. You can't really say that about Oscar even getting KTFO by Hop's he was still in the fight up until then. Both loses to SSM were close and the Trinidad loss was a close fight he should have won. Even the Sturm fight in which I think Oscar lost was a close fight.

Tito is the more exciting fighter. I think he has accomplished more in one weight class then Oscar. Now I see why *****kins & ***** boy Oscar are buddies. They can relate to each other, crybabies!!!! :bottle: