Which fighters were hard on your eyes, for me it would have to be Sandy Saddler, from what I have seen of him he was a real awkward, lanky fighter who for me was the bane of excitement. A few others were:

Sven Ottke
Joey Maxim
Joe Bugner

John Ruiz
Cory Spinks (He's iffy sometimes he boxes other times he does zilch...)
Ricky Hatton
Current Bernard Hopkins

& Most Modern Day Heavyweights unfortunetly.

I find it really hard to warch straweights, lightfly's and flyweights, but i still enjoy watching the great ricado lopez and michael carbajal, also ivan calderon! but the rest i just cant watch

Jim Watt
Ricky Hatton
Terry Marsh
Johnny Nelson
Sven Ottke
Vitali Klitschko
Nicolay Valuev

Wladimir and Vitali Klitsckho, Hopkins sometimes, Yuri Foreman, Ruiz.

John Ruiz
Yuri Foreman
Wladimir Klitschko
Sven Ottke

Hopkins has had some performances in the last few years which I didn't care for. Too much hitting and holding.

Hatton
Hopkins
Ruiz

John Ruiz, Virgil Hill, Valuev, Hatton, Otkke

Which fighters were hard on your eyes, for me it would have to be Sandy Saddler, from what I have seen of him he was a real awkward, lanky fighter who for me was the bane of excitement. A few others were:

Sven Ottke
Joey Maxim
Joe Bugner

Fritzie Zivic
Hugo Corro
Paulie Malignaggi
Vuyani Bungu
John Ruiz
Montell Griffith
Ricky Haton
Vilomar Fernandez
Paul Spadafora
Jim Watt

John Ruiz, Hector Camacho and his clone Floyd Mayweather.

Poet

John Ruiz, Hector Camacho and his clone Floyd Mayweather.

Poet

Yes, that drug infested Camacho and his son Hector, Jr. are 2 of the worst runners the fight game has ever witnessed.

Comeback Floyd Mayweather
Naseem Hamed
Lennox Lewis
John Ruiz

Floyd Mayweather.

So you don't fancy in watching the best pure boxer in the sport today? I get it.

Maybe you should run along to the MMA section.

Carl Froch

So you don't fancy in watching the best pure boxer in the sport today? I get it.

Maybe you should run along to the MMA section.

Floyd is great, but since his comeback he's gotten pretty boring. He was really exciting back in the day, he fought like a warrior.

I remember his fight vs Gatti I think it was. He messed up both his hands during that fight and continued to battle.

I think he changed his style to allow him to throw less punches and just win on points to prolong his career.

He's great but have you honestly watched him lately? Nothing too exciting or entertaining going on in that ring. I don't even think Pac could make an exciting fight with him.

Floyd is great, but since his comeback he's gotten pretty boring. He was really exciting back in the day, he fought like a warrior.

I remember his fight vs Gatti I think it was. He messed up both his hands during that fight and continued to battle.

I think he changed his style to allow him to throw less punches and just win on points to prolong his career.

He's great but have you honestly watched him lately? Nothing too exciting or entertaining going on in that ring. I don't even think Pac could make an exciting fight with him.

Really? Nothing exciting in his last few fights? I seem to remember his fight against Hatton being pretty exciting.

If you can't appreciate the art of pure boxing, then why watch it? Maybe you're better suited for MMA or tag team wrestling.

Really? Nothing exciting in his last few fights? I seem to remember his fight against Hatton being pretty exciting.

If you can't appreciate the art of pure boxing, then why watch it? Maybe you're better suited for MMA or tag team wrestling.

Thanks for telling me what I'm suited to watch, since you know me so well.

Oh wait you don't, so you sound dumb. Most people will agree that Floyd will put you to sleep. I appreciate the art of boxing, but watching a guy backup and shoulder roll for 12 rounds and throw an occasional punch followed up with a combo here and there, is not my idea of excitement and isn't what the art of boxing is all about.

I like to be entertained.

Joe Calzaghe
Vitali Klitschko
John Ruiz

Thanks for telling me what I'm suited to watch, since you know me so well.

Oh wait you don't, so you sound dumb. Most people will agree that Floyd will put you to sleep. I appreciate the art of boxing, but watching a guy backup and shoulder roll for 12 rounds and throw an occasional punch followed up with a combo here and there, is not my idea of excitement and isn't what the art of boxing is all about.

I like to be entertained.

The art of boxing is to hit and not get hit. Mayweather does that in great fashion. Are you saying that you don't appreciate the art of boxing?

The art of boxing is to hit and not get hit. Mayweather does that in great fashion. Are you saying that you don't appreciate the art of boxing?

That's the science. The art is a using technique and ability to hurt your opponent while minimizing abuse taken, and most importantly entertaining the fans who pay to watch you fight.

The art is a using technique and ability to hurt your opponent

Hit

while minimizing abuse taken

And not get hit.

Hit



And not get hit.

You wanna quote the rest there, champ? Or do you just pick apart a sentence to support your opinion?

You wanna quote the rest there, champ? Or do you just pick apart a sentence to support your opinion?

I've gotten everything I needed from that post. Thanks.

The art of boxing is to hit and not get hit. Mayweather does that in great fashion. Are you saying that you don't appreciate the art of boxing?

Boxing is about way more than that. A lot of it is about machismo, it's about what it means to be fighting your heart out. Nobody wants to see two poseurs feinting and counter-feinting. get real you cunt

So you don't fancy in watching the best pure boxer in the sport today? I get it.

Maybe you should run along to the MMA section.

Mayweather is the best pure RUNNER in the sport today. He USED to box but that was a long time ago: Now he just gets tips from Hector "Track Shoes" Camacho and runs like a b1tch.

Poet

The art of boxing is to hit

Something Mayweather doesn't do much of with his 20 pot-shots a round.


and not get hit. Mayweather does that in great fashion.

Well he does do THAT in great fashion especially considering he gave up generating any offense a long time ago.


Are you saying that you don't appreciate the art of boxing?

I appreciate the COMPLETE art of boxing quite well thank you! That means more than just NOT getting hit: It means not getting hit while generating offense of your own.

Poet

Hit

20 pot-shots a round :puke:


And not get hit.

And running like fvck :ugh:

Poet

The Mayrunner

Mayweather is the best pure RUNNER in the sport today. He USED to box but that was a long time ago: Now he just gets tips from Hector "Track Shoes" Camcho and runs like a b1tch.

Poet

Like I said.. the MMA section would love you over there.

Something Mayweather doesn't do much of with his 20 pot-shots a round.

Are you trying to say that there's a certain amount of punches that a fighter MUST throw? :ugh:

Well he does do THAT in great fashion especially considering he gave up generating any offense a long time ago.

By " giving up any offense", do you mean he has no offense? Funny.. but I thought you just said he threw 20 punches a round.

I appreciate the COMPLETE art of boxing quite well thank you! That means more than just NOT getting hit: It means not getting hit while generating offense of your own.

Poet

You said he generated 20 punches a round. Unless you don't count punches as offense?

:dunce:

Like I said.. the MMA section would love you over there.

How old are you Junior?


Are you trying to say that there's a certain amount of punches that a fighter MUST throw? :ugh:

There should be if you want to win a round. As recently as the early 1980s it was very unlikely that a fighter would win a fight throwing 20 pot-shots a round: The judges took a VERY dim view of such tactics. See Leonard - Duran II as an illustration: At the time of "No Mas" the fight was just about even on the scorecards.....courtesy of the pot-shot tactics Leonard was using.


By "giving up any offense", do you mean he has no offense? Funny.. but I thought you just said he threw 20 punches a round.

You said he generated 20 punches a round. Unless you don't count punches as offense?

20 pot-shots a round is NOT generating offense. Considering the typical Welterweight throws between 50 and 60 punches a round, 20 pot-shots a round is nothing less than something less than nothing at all. Cripes, Pretty Gay Floyd acts as if Ellerbe won't give no nookie if he threw a combination now and then.


:dunce:

Awwwww, is the banned Slimey one back again? :ugh:

Poet

You said he generated 20 punches a round. Unless you don't count punches as offense?

:dunce:

Pot shot isn't exactly a "punch." It's a pot shot.

How old are you Junior?

Why do you need to know? So that I can become a cast member in your wet dreams? :ugh:

There should be if you want to win a round. As recently as the early 1980s it was very unlikely that a fighter would win a fight throwing 20 pot-shots a round: The judges took a VERY dim view of such tactics. See Leonard - Duran II as an illustration: At the time of "No Mas" the fight was just about even on the scorecards.....courtesy of the pot-shot tactics Leonard was using.

20 pot-shots a round is NOT generating offense. Considering the typical Welterweight throws between 50 and 60 punches a round, 20 pot-shots a round is nothing less than something less than nothing at all. Cripes, Pretty Gay Floyd acts as if Ellerbe won't give no nookie if he threw a combination now and then.

He lands more punches on his opponents, than his opponents land on him.

Are you now gonna try and bring up another conspiracy theory from the 1980s?

Awwwww, is the banned Slimey one back again? :ugh:

Poet

I don't know who that is. And you can't accuse me of being an alt of anyone because:

1) You have no proof
2) I haven't admitted anything

As Nelson Muntz from The Simpsons would say:

HA HA!

Calzaghe...his style is just...irritating

Fritzie Zivic
Hugo Corro
Paulie Malignaggi
Vuyani Bungu
John Ruiz
Montell Griffith
Ricky Haton
Vilomar Fernandez
Paul Spadafora
Jim Watt

I'm a fan of the last three on your list, I can unerstand completely with the rest of them.

Mayweather is the best pure RUNNER in the sport today. He USED to box but that was a long time ago: Now he just gets tips from Hector "Track Shoes" Camcho and runs like a b1tch.

Poet

I second that bro, it's his wheels that are paying the bills now.

bernard hopkins at whatever period.
and he calls MMA gay.

edit : and headbutts are foul even at MMA.

Hatton post Tszyu was awful to watch.

Roy Jones could be tedious to watch at times because he would let the action lull because he refused to lead to the opponent.

Why do you need to know? So that I can become a cast member in your wet dreams? :ugh:

You would know quite a bit about wet dreams wouldn't you? Considering you've never been with a woman and all :wank:


He lands more punches on his opponents, than his opponents land on him.

Twice nothing is still nothing.


Are you now gonna try and bring up another conspiracy theory from the 1980s?

What conspiracy? It was a fact of life: If you wanted to win fights you had to throw punches.


I don't know who that is. And you can't accuse me of being an alt of anyone because:

1) You have no proof
2) I haven't admitted anything

As I'm not accusing you of committing a crime nor is this a court of law I don't need proof. If I say you're an alt of Slimeypoophead than you're an alt of Slimeypoophead until I say otherwise :killyou:

Poet

Calzaghe...his style is just...irritating
Yeah the whole slapping thing was seriously shocking

Hatton post Tszyu was awful to watch.

Roy Jones could be tedious to watch at times because he would let the action lull because he refused to lead to the opponent.
Never been too sure what to make of Jones. The only fights of his which I enjoyed were: Hall, Brannon, Ruiz and Frazier:eek:

Hatton post Tszyu was just shocking, he turned into a mini Ruiz

You would know quite a bit about wet dreams wouldn't you? Considering you've never been with a woman and all

You're the one who asked for my age..

Unless I publicly display it, I believe that you asking for my age is an attempted violation of privacy.

Twice nothing is still nothing.

If you have a lawyer, you should sue your math teacher. :banana:

What conspiracy? It was a fact of life: If you wanted to win fights you had to throw punches.

Sue your psychiatrist, as well. :banana:

As I'm not accusing you of committing a crime nor is this a court of law I don't need proof. If I say you're an alt of Slimeypoophead than you're an alt of Slimeypoophead until I say otherwise

Is that a threat? I don't think the moderators would like that too much, now would they?

Luckily for you, I won't report your threat. I'll only keep it as evidence, just in case it gets to a higher level.

You're a ****ing idiot. All he said was he doesn't like Floyd Mayweather and you decide to turn it into some personal attack on your honor. He doesn't enjoy watching the same fighter you do. Get over it. And not only was accusing you of being an alt not a threat, threatening to tell the moderators about something so trivial is childish and stupid. Grow up.

You're a ****ing idiot. All he said was he doesn't like Floyd Mayweather and you decide to turn it into some personal attack on your honor. He doesn't enjoy watching the same fighter you do. Get over it. And not only was accusing you of being an alt not a threat, threatening to tell the moderators about something so trivial is childish and stupid. Grow up.

:bottle::bottle:

Listen, you goddamn inbred, I agree with you. I think Floyd is exciting to watch because I enjoy his incredible defense. I can also see that there are people who don't enjoy it because it could be construed as boring. Never once did he say you couldn't keep liking Floyd. You're stupid, give it up.

Listen, you goddamn inbred, I agree with you. I think Floyd is exciting to watch because I enjoy his incredible defense. I can also see that there are people who don't enjoy it because it could be construed as boring. Never once did he say you couldn't keep liking Floyd. You're stupid, give it up.

:bottle::bottle:

You're the one who asked for my age..

Unless I publicly display it, I believe that you asking for my age is an attempted violation of privacy.

Not in the United States it isn't :D


If you have a lawyer, you should sue your math teacher.

Apparently you never took basic arithmetic: 2X0=0


Sue your psychiatrist, as well.

Non-sequiter.


Is that a threat? I don't think the moderators would like that too much, now would they?

Luckily for you, I won't report your threat. I'll only keep it as evidence, just in case it gets to a higher level.

Report away! Anyone with a basic 1st grade reading comprehension wouldn't read any threat into that. Of course demented psychopaths like yourself can read anything into anything :lame: Have a nice day! :)

Poet

Not in the United States it isn't :D

Overseas, it is.

Apparently you never took basic arithmetic: 2X0=0

Well, well. Look at you using words that you don't even understand.

Non-sequiter.

Dunce.

Report away! Anyone with a basic 1st grade reading comprehension wouldn't read any threat into that. Of course demented psychopaths like yourself can read anything into anything :lame: Have a nice day! :)

Poet

You've calmed down in your replies. Wise choice.

Overseas, it is.

Newsflash: I ain't overseas.....ie. I don't live in whatever primative 3rd world sh1thole that you do :D


Well, well. Look at you using words that you don't even understand.

Now I realise that words like arithmetic are tough for you "special" people but for most folks that's a pretty basic word :)


Dunce.

Ah yes! Slimeypoophead's favorite buzz-word.

You've calmed down in your replies. Wise choice.

:haha: Calm down? I was never excited in the first place. One would think you'd have figured out by now that fvcktards such as yourself are an endless source of amusement for me! Mind-fvcking bionic simpletons like yourself I do for fun :rofl:

Poet

Newsflash: I ain't oversees.....ie. I don't live in whatever primative 3rd world sh1thole that you do :D

All it takes is one person in the situation to live overseas for it to be an attempted violation of privacy. :banana:

Now I realise that words like arithmetic are tough for you "special" people but for most folks that's a pretty basic word

Look at you replying with the exact same thing I said. You're really a thesaurus of comebacks.. NOT.

Ah yes! Slimeypoophead's favorite buzz-word.

Don't know who any of your past e-friends are and I don't care. :bottle:

Calm down? I was never excited in the first place. One would think you'd have figured out by now that fvcktards such as yourself are an endless source of amusement for me! Mind-fvcking bionic simpletons like yourself I do for fun

Poet

Of course you're excited. If you feel the need to respond back to me then that means you're excited. If you don't respond back, you'll feel as if you've lost and that I won.

Even if I'm telling you this now, you'll still respond back.

:luvbed:

Poet I'll agree with you that the Welterweight Mayweather doesn't have nearly the punch output that he did at the lower weight classes but to say all he does is run is a bit silly. He put his track shoes on against Oscar De La Hoya, but against the rest of his last 5 opponents I think claiming he ran is a bit silly.

He obliviously didn't run against Judah as he fought coming forward for most of the fight.

Against Baldomir he spent a good portion of the fight right in front of Baldomir but Baldomir was so bloody slow he couldn't get to him if Mayweather's feet were cemented in place.

Against Hatton he spent the majority of the time elbowing Hatton away from him in close range and when he finally got range he used his movement to tear Hatton apart.

Against Marquez he was both coming forward and backing up during different periods of the bout.

Also I don't care what era it is if you out land your opponent by these numbers,

290 to 63 (JMM)
207 to 122 (ODH)
129 to 63 (Hatton)
199 to 79 (Baldomir)
205 to 89. (Zab)

Your going to win.

BACK ON TOPIC:

Awkward fighter - Oscar Bonavena...that guy was sloppy.

BACK ON TOPIC:

Awkward fighter - Oscar Bonavena...that guy was sloppy.

His fight with Ali was ugly, one of his best fights and near prime Ali's worst fight.

All it takes is one person in the situation to live overseas for it to be an attempted violation of privacy. :banana:

Look at you replying with the exact same thing I said. You're really a thesaurus of comebacks.. NOT.

Don't know who any of your past e-friends are and I don't care. :bottle:

Of course you're excited. If you feel the need to respond back to me then that means you're excited. If you don't respond back, you'll feel as if you've lost and that I won.

Even if I'm telling you this now, you'll still respond back.

:luvbed:

And he's banned :rofl:

Poet

Poet I'll agree with you that the Welterweight Mayweather doesn't have nearly the punch output that he did at the lower weight classes but to say all he does is run is a bit silly. He put his track shoes on against Oscar De La Hoya, but against the rest of his last 5 opponents I think claiming he ran is a bit silly.

He obliviously didn't run against Judah as he fought coming forward for most of the fight.

Against Baldomir he spent a good portion of the fight right in front of Baldomir but Baldomir was so bloody slow he couldn't get to him if Mayweather's feet were cemented in place.

Against Hatton he spent the majority of the time elbowing Hatton away from him in close range and when he finally got range he used his movement to tear Hatton apart.

Against Marquez he was both coming forward and backing up during different periods of the bout.

Also I don't care what era it is if you out land your opponent by these numbers,

290 to 63 (JMM)
207 to 122 (ODH)
129 to 63 (Hatton)
199 to 79 (Baldomir)
205 to 89. (Zab)

Your going to win.

Again I would point out Leonard - Duran II as a prime example of how these things were viewed in past eras. Unfortunately I don't have access to the punch stats for the fight but my general impression from watching it a number of times is that Leonard was clearly outlanding Duran. Yet the fight was just about even on the cards at the time Duran quit. This was mostly because Leonard's pot-shot and run tactics didn't play well with the judges. Now my personal inclination regarding the fights you mentioned is that neither opponent in any of them deserved to win the fights on the cards: Mayweather for his low work-rate and his opponent for not scoring. In other words when I see a round where one fighter doesn't land anything and his opponent throws very few punches neither deserve to have the round scored in their favor.

Poet

Joe frazier and Dwight Braxton for some reason I find them irritating to watch especially when they're being pummeled to pulp.

Joe frazier and Dwight Braxton for some reason I find them irritating to watch especially when they're being pummeled to pulp.

lol and you have Gatti in your avatar, the king of the "use yo face" defense.

Again I would point out Leonard - Duran II as a prime example of how these things were viewed in past eras. Unfortunately I don't have access to the punch stats for the fight but my general impression from watching it a number of times is that Leonard was clearly outlanding Duran. Yet the fight was just about even on the cards at the time Duran quit. This was mostly because Leonard's pot-shot and run tactics didn't play well with the judges. Now my personal inclination regarding the fights you mentioned is that neither opponent in any of them deserved to win the fights on the cards: Mayweather for his low work-rate and his opponent for not scoring. In other words when I see a round where one fighter doesn't land anything and his opponent throws very few punches neither deserve to have the round scored in their favor.

Poet

But if the fighter is out landing his opponent by such a wide margin you don't think he deserves to get the nod? How do you feel about say Niccolino Locche who from what I have seen(to be honest only 3 fights, so I could be wrong) he wins many of his fights with a very low work rate but he clearly out lands his opponents and lands the cleaner blows. Do you think that Locche should not have been given the nod in his fights due to his lack of activity?

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this point because I'm of the opinion that if the other fighter lacks the ability to force a fighter like Mayweather to fight(Like Castillo did) and gets pot shotted to death by a wide margin the blame is on his shoulders for not forcing the action.

But if the fighter is out landing his opponent by such a wide margin you don't think he deserves to get the nod? How do you feel about say Niccolino Locche who from what I have seen(to be honest only 3 fights, so I could be wrong) he wins many of his fights with a very low work rate but he clearly out lands his opponents and lands the cleaner blows. Do you think that Locche should not have been given the nod in his fights due to his lack of activity?

I've watched plenty of fights where I've thought neither fighter deserved to win. In a perfect world maybe there would be a system where BOTH fighters could be judged the loser but unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world. As for Locche, I haven't seen enough of his fights to judge one way or another.


I think we will have to agree to disagree on this point because I'm of the opinion that if the other fighter lacks the ability to force a fighter like Mayweather to fight(Like Castillo did) and gets pot shotted to death by a wide margin the blame is on his shoulders for not forcing the action.

I'm inclined to be more sympathetic to a fighter who wants to force the action (but is unable to do so against an opponent who avoids action like the plague) than I am with a fighter who actively avoids engaging. I think it's a misnomer that a fighter can't generate offense while avoiding his opponents punches. Prime Ali used his legs and upper-body movement to make his opponents miss but still let his hands go: He had a pretty high workrate for a Heavyweight and would batter his opponents with combinations. Whitaker too let his hands go: He stood more in the eye of the storm and still made his opponents miss while putting out a solid volume of punches.

Poet