i just read it on **********....damn that sucks....oh well he made about 20 million in his last 2 fights

Trinidad was never back, he lost his passion for the sport a long time ago.

Trinidad was never back, he lost his passion for the sport a long time ago.

Why did everyone says he's back then

EVERYONE and Trinidad were saying their back and want all the big fights now...

I dont think he'll retire after fighting Winky.
He did not get hurt.He might sneak a couple more fights and retire after a victory.
I see him fighting a journeyman in Puerto Rico in his last fight.

Trinidad was never back, he lost his passion for the sport a long time ago.

whateva doo!

didn't I tell you Wright will send Tito back to his 2nd retirement?! Din't I tell you Wright will be P4P#3?

He made the right choice, Tito had a great career.

He made the right choice, Tito had a great career.
I agree with that statment completley. He was great he just couldnt handle a good solid boxer. Respect to Tito for some awsome fights and hopefully he does well.

Tito and his team has a hard time dealing with defeat. I do think Tito needs to get new people in his corner.

However his loss last night really means nothing in terms of his legacy and how he will be viewed. Nor did that loss really mean anything at all.

always been overrated cept at welter

seriously dude quit? after both losses he has retired, that tells you a lot about what kind of person he is :rolleyes:

Why run away crying after each defeat?

Tito and his team has a hard time dealing with defeat. I do think Tito needs to get new people in his corner.

However his loss last night really means nothing in terms of his legacy and how he will be viewed. Nor did that loss really mean anything at all.

One thing it means is Winky Wright has officially arrived.

One thing it means is Winky Wright has officially arrived.


In terms of Tito it means nothing and personally I dont feel it will do much for Winky either. I realize Tito is a bigger name than Sugar Shane but spanking Shane twice did nothing for Winky and I dont think this will boost his popularity.

Winky will continued to be ducked.

always been overrated cept at welter


Overrated at 154 and 160? I think not!

Vargas
Joppy
Mayorga
Reid

All credible opponents between 154-160

In terms of Tito it means nothing and personally I dont feel it will do much for Winky either. I realize Tito is a bigger name than Sugar Shane but spanking Shane twice did nothing for Winky and I dont think this will boost his popularity.

Winky will continued to be ducked.

I think it will do good for Wright's resume, so when fight fanatics like myself talk about him 10 years from now we can say Wright was a pretty damn good fighter remember what he did to Tito Trinidad. :D

-By the way thats a cool signature you made...

I'd take Mayorga off that list though at 160, cus we saw how Ricardo is at that weight. He was tired at the end of the first round. But, if Tito did retire, I can't respect that. I like Tito as a boxer, but I just can't have as much respect for a fighter who leaves the sport each time he gets beat down. To be real, I think somebody is in his ear, cus I could've sworn I read an article where he was saying that he wanted a rematch but he'd have to first talk his dad and some other peeps. Now he's saying he wants to retire? Winky's willing to give him the rematch, so why's he leaving? I think somebody's tellin him something.

Tito and his team has a hard time dealing with defeat. I do think Tito needs to get new people in his corner.

However his loss last night really means nothing in terms of his legacy and how he will be viewed. Nor did that loss really mean anything at all.


thats exactly what i have been thinking. specialy after his pops statements about how they had trained for the fight. it seems to me that his pops oves titos power more than anything. tito used to be a different fighter. he used to box better. he needs new people to train him to be what he can be. unfortunately i don't think it will ever happen

I think it will do good for Wright's resume, so when fight fanatics like myself talk about him 10 years from now we can say Wright was a pretty damn good fighter remember what he did to Tito Trinidad. :D

-By the way thats a cool signature you made...


Ohh Winky will get his place in history, but I am referring to capitalizing on it now.

Thanks on the compliment.

I am so happy for Wright. I was hoping he would win, he said he would beat up Trinidad for 12 rounds and he did. This was a huge win for him. Trinidad lost every round so how can anyone say it means nothing to Trinidad. Middleweight is a bad division for Trinidad, (remember the Hopkins fight) he should go back to junior middle or welter.


If there is a rematch I expect the same result.

And I disagree about the 2 Mosely fights doing nothing for him. If he hadn't fought those fights, he might've never seen a Trinidad match and likely would not even have the opportunity to say "I got next" for whoever wins between Hopkins and Taylor.

And I disagree about the 2 Mosely fights doing nothing for him. If he hadn't fought those fights, he might've never seen a Trinidad match and likely would not even have the opportunity to say "I got next" for whoever wins between Hopkins and Taylor.


Popularity wise it has done nothing.

I'd take Mayorga off that list though at 160, cus we saw how Ricardo is at that weight. He was tired at the end of the first round. But, if Tito did retire, I can't respect that. I like Tito as a boxer, but I just can't have as much respect for a fighter who leaves the sport each time he gets beat down. To be real, I think somebody is in his ear, cus I could've sworn I read an article where he was saying that he wanted a rematch but he'd have to first talk his dad and some other peeps. Now he's saying he wants to retire? Winky's willing to give him the rematch, so why's he leaving? I think somebody's tellin him something.

no **** man. i agree. i think he needs to get rid of pappa trinidad and learn to be the boxer he used to be

Winky is just a great fighter period. Pound 4 Pound number 3 or 2. Depends on your view i guess.

After losing twelve rounds to love, he shouldn't do the rematch thing.

And I disagree about the 2 Mosely fights doing nothing for him. If he hadn't fought those fights, he might've never seen a Trinidad match and likely would not even have the opportunity to say "I got next" for whoever wins between Hopkins and Taylor.


Exactly! Now Winky will be forever linked with these two p4p fighters. He beat them both too. Can't say better than that. :D

whata chump ass move if he did retire
in my eyes he wasnt beat that bad
he just lost really bad
if that makes any sense
i mean we all know and knew prior to this fight the he was a pretty limited fighter
and id still like to see him in other fights
2 rematches in perticular
and hopkins is not one of them
id def look at him kinda like a coward
not quite coward
cuz thats a lil to harsh
but almost a coward
i mean after both times hes lost
he hangs up the gloves
not kool

IMO

losing every round to a fighter hurts more then getting knocked out

I mean Trinidad landed 58 punches and Winky landed 250 or something

That was a bigger domination than Hopkins did....

Trinidad will always be remembered though

He should've taken Wright more seriously to..
I guess Trinidad did not learn from his mistakes from the Hopkins fight, again, he fell in love with his power...

Now is a good time to reconsider dropping weight and giving DLH his rematch. I would favor Tito over Oscar especially at this point in there careers. Oscars winning days are behind him when it comes to winning against top opposition.

Plus this would be one of the highest grossing fights since there first outing. Tito always gets a 10 million guarantee well Oscar would always want the bigger cut. I am sure Tito could squander 15 million out of king and split the tv sales down the line or a close split of 55/45.

After last night's performance Trinidad is more "done" than Oscar De La Hoya.

@DLH Partially Exposed
@Bhop More Exposed
@Wright Fully Exposed

Good time for him to retire,considering he had 2yrs to work on his style and still got outboxed.

@DLH Partially Exposed
@Bhop More Exposed
@Wright Fully Exposed

Good time for him to retire,considering he had 2yrs to work on his style and still got outboxed.
when ya put it like that
maybe it is ok that he leaves
but like i said
id still like to see
DLH-tito 2 and Tito-Vargas 2

Thank god and good riddance. Toastito just an embarassment to PR fighters.

On Maxboxing they say that Papa Trinidad is the one who wants out of the fight game. The Trinidad's agreed along time ago that if one of them retired both would retire so it is not Tito that wants to retire it's his father.

thank you trinidad for al lthe memories

@DLH Partially Exposed
@Bhop More Exposed
@Wright Fully Exposed

Good time for him to retire,considering he had 2yrs to work on his style and still got outboxed.

Thats just it. He never did improve on his boxing skill because he had so much faith in his power. Last night was so sad for me to watch my boy get his ass handed to him and not adapt. It was pissing me off everytime tito went to his corner and his pops would tell him to get inside. How the hell can you get inside on that monster jab? I truely give winky his props, I dont even see bernard penetrating that excellent defense. I am a true fan though and will stick with my boy through thick and thin. Tito needs a new trainer to re-instruct him to box again, either that or just retire. Theres just no need to fight winky again if he is going to preform that way.I'll be the first to admit, this is what I wanted to see:

http://www.fototime.com/{096422E6-BD12-4CE1-BCB7-B1E05054700C}/picture.JPG

Yeah, I really need photoshop.

I think is good for his legacy to retire. His team has lost the skills to prepare to defeat boxers. Tito is a puncher, that's known, but he was able to adjust and bring the fight to boxers, like DLH, Camacho, Reid, Withaker, but that's gone. All the fights that could bring good money are against boxers, there are no Mayorgas and given the current scenario Tito has no chance against them so better to retire than to tarnish his record. Money could be tempting though.

Tito should not retire and he should not rematch vargas. Rematching De La Hoya is considerable, but there are more fights for Tito that would save some face for him. Also, Tito doesn't have to look at money when signing on the line, he has enough money to last a lifetime.

Tito can have success vs any of the following respectable fighters (although some are not guaranteed wins by any means) to sustain his rep:

Kassim Ouma, Verno Phillips, Daniel Santos, Howard Eastman, Antonio Margarito, Felix Sturm, Kingsley Ikeke, Javier Castillejo, Sam Soliman, and so on.

thats exactly what i have been thinking. specialy after his pops statements about how they had trained for the fight. it seems to me that his pops oves titos power more than anything. tito used to be a different fighter. he used to box better. he needs new people to train him to be what he can be. unfortunately i don't think it will ever happen
Well, it's coo to see that a lot of people are making some sense on this thread. I saw on Spanish t.v. that it is in fact his dad that wants out of the fight game. The fact is his dad is "old school" and knows one way of "fighting" not boxing but "fighting." I've always known that TITO was no boxer, but he is one helluva FIGHTER. Therefore, his dad could only show him what he knows, and that's the fighting skills. In order for Tito to be able to hang with the boxers of TODAY he needs to move on to a much more talented trainer, but that will NEVER happen, because he won't work with out the PAPA. I love the way TITO fights and will always love his style, but fact is he can't beat Winky on his BEST day, and I think I can say the same against Hopkins also. Their styles are too "boxing" oriented. Well, whatever he decides I'm a fan for life, so **** the haters. Damn,he got dominated by Winky, I truly didn't think he'd lose ALL the rounds, it was a sad day in boxing (for me anyway).

I don't think he'll win in a DLH rematch simply because Tito and/or his camp is stubborn. Why is it that everyone else can see his mistakes and weaknesses? Three of his opponents have made him look very vulnarable, and he still hasn't changed anything even though he's had years. Maybe he needs to switch trainers, but he needs to do something.

Trinidad retiring again does not look good. This is giving the naysayers a reason to talk. A decent farewell bout should be considered. I must say this because I have always believed it, Trinidad Rodríguez sucks both as a trainer and the way he expresses his points of view. Kind of arrogant and stuff. Félix Trinidad needed a better trainer so something like what was seen last night never happened.

seriously dude quit? after both losses he has retired, that tells you a lot about what kind of person he is :rolleyes:



Yea, thats right. :cool:

he said he quit because his father didnt want to train him anymore..HE doesnt want to continue without his father

No heart really. He wasn`t an all time great because Tito`s style was a puncher who couldn`t adjust. All the greats were great because they adjusted and altered their style of fighting at some point to become great. Like Thomas Hearns who turned boxer in several fights etc..
Tito could never do it, no heart or will to do so! Classic puncher bully who was exposed everytime he fought someone who stood up to him!

Tito and his team has a hard time dealing with defeat. I do think Tito needs to get new people in his corner.

However his loss last night really means nothing in terms of his legacy and how he will be viewed. Nor did that loss really mean anything at all.

what do you mean it means nothing at all!!! the guy quits everytime he looses. he just lost every round in a fight against a smaller man who knows how to box. he doesnt have any pride or honor enough to think about his fans? he was exposed. plenty of second tier fights out there for him. ah, im repeating myself from other post over and over again.

haveing to read posts from nit witted excuse proned tito, castillo,pacman, morales fans is driving me nuts. and ruiz is back!! figuri bu canne ( son of a ***** in siciliano)... come to think of it i feel alright since i predicted the out comes of these fights. maybe i do know what i'm talking about more than 50% of the time. mosley put me thru the ringer. outside of that i've been good.

Tito great Aggressive fighter but when it comes to being boxed he can't deal with it. So what else could you expect but his retirement hopefully for good this time. I'm almost sure that if winky wouldn't of won all the rounds it wouldn't surprise me they would of given the fight to Trinidad just like when DeLa Hoya out boxed him. Bye bye Tito
PS ain't that the truth you sure made a mistake on picking winky

what do you mean it means nothing at all!!! the guy quits everytime he looses. he just lost every round in a fight against a smaller man who knows how to box. he doesnt have any pride or honor enough to think about his fans? he was exposed. plenty of second tier fights out there for him. ah, im repeating myself from other post over and over again.

haveing to read posts from nit witted excuse proned tito, castillo,pacman, morales fans is driving me nuts. and ruiz is back!! figuri bu canne ( son of a ***** in siciliano)... come to think of it i feel alright since i predicted the out comes of these fights. maybe i do know what i'm talking about more than 50% of the time. mosley put me thru the ringer. outside of that i've been good.

Perhaps you have forgotten why he retired the first time. He didnt retire after he got defeated he went and took a fight with Cherifi and begged Hopkins for a rematch. Hopkins wouldnt give him the rematch and he said he no longer had any options that he wanted to explore and retired since he couldnt get Hopkins. He didnt retire out of defeat he retired because he was at the end of the road and the only guy he had interest in fighting wouldnt give it to him.

It is going to look good for Winky later in his career but he will never properly capitalize on the Trinidad win. That fight will not hurt Felix either, people will still view him as the great puerto rican fighter he was, I think that is common knowledge considering his resume before his first retirement.

Felix loss nothing in losing and Winky will not gain from it either...It wont give him superstar status and popularity.

Perhaps you have forgotten why he retired the first time. He didnt retire after he got defeated he went and took a fight with Cherifi and begged Hopkins for a rematch. Hopkins wouldnt give him the rematch and he said he no longer had any options that he wanted to explore and retired since he couldnt get Hopkins. He didnt retire out of defeat he retired because he was at the end of the road and the only guy he had interest in fighting wouldnt give it to him.

It is going to look good for Winky later in his career but he will never properly capitalize on the Trinidad win. That fight will not hurt Felix either, people will still view him as the great puerto rican fighter he was, I think that is common knowledge considering his resume before his first retirement.

Felix loss nothing in losing and Winky will not gain from it either...It wont give him superstar status and popularity.


That's just an excuse Tito made!! Just like Naseem is he is a powerful bully puncher.. Both of them couldn't deal with defeat.. This is the same Tito dont fool yourself, that's why he looked spectacular against Mayorgas style.. Why did Tito come back? He doesn't have a guaranteed fight now with Bhop either!! Nothing out of Titos mouth is credible. Tito said that he would "kill" Bhop and Winky before they fought.. Those are some pretty big words from a man with no heasrt!!

That's just an excuse Tito made!! Just like Naseem is he is a powerful bully puncher.. Both of them couldn't deal with defeat.. This is the same Tito dont fool yourself, that's why he looked spectacular against Mayorgas style.. Why did Tito come back? He doesn't have a guaranteed fight now with Bhop either!! Nothing out of Titos mouth is credible. Tito said that he would "kill" Bhop and Winky before they fought.. Those are some pretty big words from a man with no heasrt!!


Excuse my ass feel free to look up all of the articles after there fight (hopkins/tito). Hopkins didnt capitalize off of the Tito win and could have made another huge multi million dollar payday but B-hop wouldnt grant tito the rematch. Everybody knows Hopkins wouldnt accept the rematch clause.

Excuse my ass feel free to look up all of the articles after there fight (hopkins/tito). Hopkins didnt capitalize off of the Tito win and could have made another huge multi million dollar payday but B-hop wouldnt grant tito the rematch. Everybody knows Hopkins wouldnt accept the rematch clause.


So what your telling me is that BHop was possibly scared of Tito.. If there wasnt another fight immediately the only reason is because Tito is Don Kings little *****!! Maybe if Tito was smart and his own man like BHop he could fight whoever he wanted at anytime.. WHY DID TITO COME BACK NOW THEN WHEN A FIGHT WITH BHOP ISNT GUARANTEED, just as it wasn't two years ago!! If Tito fights Winky again immediately I'll admit you are probably correct. IF Tito retires now, or chooses to fight someone besides Winky then we will have seen a pattern here. Then will you admit that I was right?

So what your telling me is that BHop was possibly scared of Tito.. If there wasnt another fight immediately the only reason is because Tito is Don Kings little *****!! Maybe if Tito was smart and his own man like BHop he could fight whoever he wanted at anytime.. WHY DID TITO COME BACK NOW THEN WHEN A FIGHT WITH BHOP ISNT GUARANTEED, just as it wasn't two years ago!! If Tito fights Winky again immediately I'll admit you are probably correct. IF Tito retires now, or chooses to fight someone besides Winky then we will have seen a pattern here. Then will you admit that I was right?


No I am not saying Hopkins was scared and why should he be, Hopkins dominated Felix the whole fight. But Hopkins said Tito was undeserving and all of the sanctioning bodies were willing to go ahead and let the rematch happen. But Bernard said Tito wasnt worthy and went on to Carl Daniels instead???????

I am not sure as to why Tito came back perhaps it was because he was guaranteed 10 million dollar paydays for each fight. He collected it against Mayorga and probably looked for Bernard to want to fight Tito again. Especially since Bernard was coming off the biggest win in his career knocking out DLH and with the spectacular outing Tito showed against Mayorga. That fight seemed to make a lot of sense and a lot more dollars.

But it didnt happen, Hopkins went to court with King that is why the rematch spoiled once again.

Personally I wouldnt ever want Tito to step back into the ring with Winky, he dominated him worst than Hopkins did and it would just be a repeat. The only fight I want to see Tito in right now is agaisnt De la hoya.

No heart really. He wasn`t an all time great because Tito`s style was a puncher who couldn`t adjust. All the greats were great because they adjusted and altered their style of fighting at some point to become great. Like Thomas Hearns who turned boxer in several fights etc..
Tito could never do it, no heart or will to do so! Classic puncher bully who was exposed everytime he fought someone who stood up to him!

I agree totaly. I've never seen such an "elite" fighter lose so pathetically against smart boxers who moved and were not scared of his power. You could say that Tito lost 23 out of 24 rounds in the Winky Bhops fights combined. You can't hate on his power and aggresiveness, becuase he was a true terror with the two fisted attack, but was feeble and weak when the opponent stood thier ground.

I agree totaly. I've never seen such an "elite" fighter lose so pathetically against smart boxers who moved and were not scared of his power. You could say that Tito lost 23 out of 24 rounds in the Winky Bhops fights combined. You can't hate on his power and aggresiveness, becuase he was a true terror with the two fisted attack, but was feeble and weak when the opponent stood thier ground.


That is the definition of a bully

I agree totaly. I've never seen such an "elite" fighter lose so pathetically against smart boxers who moved and were not scared of his power. You could say that Tito lost 23 out of 24 rounds in the Winky Bhops fights combined. You can't hate on his power and aggresiveness, becuase he was a true terror with the two fisted attack, but was feeble and weak when the opponent stood thier ground.


The way you put it sounds like we are talking about Mike Tyson, who still gets hailed as the greatest.

Great fight for winky, completely outboxed tito.Pretty pathetic that tito would retire after losing but i guess imo there is no way tito can beat winky. for a second i thought i was watching dlh/sturm all over again just with a diffrent outcome. but imo i dont think winky has the style to become a superstar, maybe to boxing fanatics we can appreciate what he does but to the general public, they might think style is just boring. i hate to quote larry merchant but he did have a point when he said a superstar is someone who can put asses in the seats and unfortunately i dont think wright can do that with his style.

Great fight for winky

No I am not saying Hopkins was scared and why should he be, Hopkins dominated Felix the whole fight. But Hopkins said Tito was undeserving and all of the sanctioning bodies were willing to go ahead and let the rematch happen. But Bernard said Tito wasnt worthy and went on to Carl Daniels instead???????

I am not sure as to why Tito came back perhaps it was because he was guaranteed 10 million dollar paydays for each fight. He collected it against Mayorga and probably looked for Bernard to want to fight Tito again. Especially since Bernard was coming off the biggest win in his career knocking out DLH and with the spectacular outing Tito showed against Mayorga. That fight seemed to make a lot of sense and a lot more dollars.

But it didnt happen, Hopkins went to court with King that is why the rematch spoiled once again.

Personally I wouldnt ever want Tito to step back into the ring with Winky, he dominated him worst than Hopkins did and it would just be a repeat. The only fight I want to see Tito in right now is agaisnt De la hoya.

you've made some damn good points but don't you think hopkins was right in thinking the over rated tito was fluff. i mean he was in the ring with the guy not you. not that daniels is even close to trinidad but hopkin didn't need the money and he got on with his carreir. hey, read the reeno article "wright proved to be wrong choice for trinidad" on boxing scenes front page. best article i've ever read. this reeno is topps in my book.

no surprise to tito's retiring. he wanted to get a rematch with hopkins, winky dominated him to. he's finished.

you've made some damn good points but don't you think hopkins was right in thinking the over rated tito was fluff. i mean he was in the ring with the guy not you. not that daniels is even close to trinidad but hopkin didn't need the money and he got on with his carreir. hey, read the reeno article "wright proved to be wrong choice for trinidad" on boxing scenes front page. best article i've ever read. this reeno is topps in my book.


After destroying a fighter in the ring you shouldnt have fear of facing him again.

I dont understand how Bernard can call Tito unworthy and overrated and turns around talking about Hakkar being dangerous before there fight?

It just baffles me, Hopkins beats Tito fights 3-4 stiffs and then smacks around DLH and yet Tito isnt worthy?

He fought and dominated Allen 3 times and yet called him a serious threat each time. Yet Tito didnt deserve a fair shake at a rematch.