This should be interesting. It's pretty much a fact Muhhamad Ali and Joe Louis are the number 1 & 2 Heavyweights of all time.

But who is the 3rd Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time.

Poll To Come!

Liston, Foreman or Johnson

holyfield 4x champ fought lewis x2 tyson x2 bowe x3 the best guys in his era and these guys are gonna be hall of famers was always at a disadvantage in weight and usualy height also.

either johnson marciano or dempsey. i'll go with johnson since i live like an hour from where he was born. to be totally honest i think JJs got an argument for number two over ali.

over ali haha commical

over ali haha commical

chill out *****, it's just an opinion. you talk like johnsons an average fighter

either johnson marciano or dempsey. i'll go with johnson since i live like an hour from where he was born. to be totally honest i think JJs got an argument for number two over ali.
let me get this straight, you have Ali at no.2 and you would demote him to no.3? HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHa.....you should be pistol whipped for not having ali as no.1

Id probably put marciano at 3rd after jefferies and louis right before ali.

let me get this straight, you have Ali at no.2 and you would demote him to no.3? HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHa.....you should be pistol whipped for not having ali as no.1

yeah you're really mature. i bet your family likes having you around.

edit: for the posters who arent crying ******* who think people should be pistol whipped over an opinion. jack johnson has wins over sam langford, stanley ketchel, jim jeffries, and bob fitzsimmons. i dont see how anyone can say he doesnt have a phenomenal resume.

Joe Frazier

Definately Johnson behind Ali at #1 and Louis at #2. Some people have Louis over Ali which is fair enough as they make some valid arguments.

PS. Pistol whipping should be reserved for the truly moronic, trolls, and *******s (or some combination of the three) :boxing:

Poet

I'm going for Marciano but its a sentimental choice more than anything. And before anyone breaks my balls it could have been Joe Baksi :)

Jack Johnson.

Or even No. 1 IMO

Or even No. 1 IMO



Stick to trolling in the fantasy fight section,there's a good lad.

I got Larry Holmes 3rd with Johnson 4th.

I got Larry Holmes 3rd with Johnson 4th.

Holmes at number three? :lol1: Thanks for that. I needed a good joke.

Holmes at number three? :lol1: Thanks for that. I needed a good joke.

Why do you think this is a joke? I'll be happy to debate this with you.

Why do you think this is a joke? I'll be happy to debate this with you.

What on Earth has he done to deserve a top 3 position? Win against a very faded legend in Ali who had Parkinsons? Win a very close decision against a past-prime Norton?

You could make an argument for him being in the top 10, but in no way is he a top 3 all-time heavyweight.

What on Earth has he done to deserve a top 3 position? Win against a very faded legend in Ali who had Parkinsons? Win a very close decision against a past-prime Norton?

You could make an argument for him being in the top 10, but in no way is he a top 3 all-time heavyweight.

Most historians have him in the top 5.

20 consecutive title defenses. I don't count the Ali fight as nothing more than a name on his resume. Norton was still prime and fought like it when he defended against Holmes.

He was undoubtedly the best heavyweight of his era but had the misfortune of coming after Ali. He would have been much more appreciated had he been champion in a different era.

Most historians have him in the top 5.

20 consecutive title defenses. I don't count the Ali fight as nothing more than a name on his resume. Norton was still prime and fought like it when he defended against Holmes.

He was undoubtedly the best heavyweight of his era but had the misfortune of coming after Ali. He would have been much more appreciated had he been champion in a different era.

Most of his title defenses were against C level opponents. You think Marvis Frazier, Leon Spinks and Scott LeDoux were great wins for his legacy?

Norton was not in his prime. All you have to do is observe his next few fights after the Holmes one to prove this.

As for the era part, that doesn't do much. The Klitschko's are the best heavyweights of this era and I don't rank either of them within the top 10. Besides, everyone knows that Tyson was the best heavyweight of the 80s.

Most of his title defenses were against C level opponents. You think Marvis Frazier, Leon Spinks and Scott LeDoux were great wins for his legacy?

Norton was not in his prime. All you have to do is observe his next few fights after the Holmes one to prove this.

As for the era part, that doesn't do much. The Klitschko's are the best heavyweights of this era and I don't rank either of them within the top 10. Besides, everyone knows that Tyson was the best heavyweight of the 80s.

Its easy to discredit any fighter if you want to. I see you have Johnson at #3. I could just as easily pick his resume apart, especially after becoming champion.

Im on my way out the door right now. When I get home from work we'll pick this up again.

Jack Johnson.

What on Earth has he done to deserve a top 3 position? Win against a very faded legend in Ali who had Parkinsons? Win a very close decision against a past-prime Norton?

You could make an argument for him being in the top 10, but in no way is he a top 3 all-time heavyweight.

Are you basing this soley on resume or are you giving Holmes any credit at all for ability?


Besides, everyone knows that Tyson was the best heavyweight of the 80s.

For the record, prime-Holmes beats prime-Tyson.

Poet

Are you basing this soley on resume or are you giving Holmes any credit at all for ability?
He had some good skills. He just didn't use them to its full effect. Probably why most of his decision victories were close on the scorecards.

For the record, prime-Holmes beats prime-Tyson.

Poet
We already saw 3/4 of what Holmes used to be up against Tyson. That 3/4 got knocked out.

We already saw 3/4 of what Holmes used to be up against Tyson. That 3/4 got knocked out.

You saw maybe half of Holmes.....and that half was making Tyson look amatuerish before he got caught.

Poet

You saw maybe half of Holmes.....and that half was making Tyson look amatuerish before he got caught.

Poet

Still hurt over the fact that I exposed Fitzsimmons' middleweight resume?

Still hurt over the fact that I exposed Fitzsimmons' middleweight resume?

You exposed nothing but your own ignorance.....as you continue to do when you make posts that reveal that you watch Tyson fights with your pants around your ankles.

Poet

He had some good skills. He just didn't use them to its full effect. Probably why most of his decision victories were close on the scorecards.

Let me guess: You're one of those ignorant fan bois that rate fighters based on the number of brutal KTFOs they have? :ugh:

Poet

You exposed nothing but your own ignorance.....as you continue to do when you make posts that reveal that you watch Tyson fights with your pants around your ankles.

Poet
Why so defensive? Have I really upset you that much?

Plus.. I'm not the one who ran away from the debate, because I had nothing to counter back with.

Why so defensive? Have I really upset you that much?

Plus.. I'm not the one who ran away from the debate, because I had nothing to counter back with.

Upset? Not particularly. I simply don't suffer fools gladly.....in fact, I doen't suffer them at all :killyou:

Poet

Upset? Not particularly. I simply don't suffer fools gladly.....in fact, I doen't suffer them at all :killyou:

Poet

:bottle::bottle:

Holmes for me

What on Earth has he done to deserve a top 3 position? Win against a very faded legend in Ali who had Parkinsons? Win a very close decision against a past-prime Norton?

You could make an argument for him being in the top 10, but in no way is he a top 3 all-time heavyweight.

I'm not a Holmes fan, but you cannot make an argument for not having him in your top 10.

yeah you're really mature. i bet your family likes having you around.

edit: for the posters who arent crying ******* who think people should be pistol whipped over an opinion. jack johnson has wins over sam langford, stanley ketchel, jim jeffries, and bob fitzsimmons. i dont see how anyone can say he doesnt have a phenomenal resume.

Except that he avoided Langford (and every other elite black fighter) like the plague while champ.
Ketchel was a middleweight.
Jeffries hadn't fought in SIX years.
Bob Fitzsimmons was 44 years old and shot to hell.

Wow at first when I read the title to this thread I thought I knew who I thought was 3rd. After thinking about it for awhile it's very very tough to choose...

Oliver Mcall

I'm not a Holmes fan, but you cannot make an argument for not having him in your top 10.



Except that he avoided Langford (and every other elite black fighter) like the plague while champ.
Ketchel was a middleweight.
Jeffries hadn't fought in SIX years.
Bob Fitzsimmons was 44 years old and shot to hell.

they're still huge names to have on your resume. lots of great wins are tarnished in some way. if it's not weight it's age. if it's not age it's turmoil outside the ring. if it's not turmoil outside the ring it's a secret injury that the fighter never bothered to mention to anyone until he lost. norton and frazier get credit for beating ali after the forced layoff. anyone who ends up beating vitali klitschko will get credit for beating him even after unretirement. lennox lewis made half of his comp look like middleweights with his 84 inch reach and 6 5+ frame. same with liston's reach. people just didn't care as much about size differences back then. he might've avoided langford while he was on top, but he still beat him on the way up.

i'll give you bob fitzsimmons though, i didn't know he was quite THAT old.

Most of his title defenses were against C level opponents. You think Marvis Frazier, Leon Spinks and Scott LeDoux were great wins for his legacy?

Well you got Johnson at 3, tell me about his title defenses. Im not trying to deride any fighter, but to make my point someone has to bite the bullet. What did Johnson do to be at 3? He wouldn't defend against ANY black contenders. Wouldn't rematch a more mature Langford, and beat a lot of good fighters very early in their careers. Its easy ton dismiss ANY fighter if you really want to.

Norton was not in his prime. All you have to do is observe his next few fights after the Holmes one to prove this.


This very well may have been the fight Norton peaked at. At the very least I would imagine its his greatest performance. What he did afterwords does not define what he did that night. Many fighters were not the same after less brutal encounters.

As for the era part, that doesn't do much. The Klitschko's are the best heavyweights of this era and I don't rank either of them within the top 10. Besides, everyone knows that Tyson was the best heavyweight of the 80s.

Not sure everyone knows that. And no matter, Holmes will always rank higher on any reasonable all time list.

This is a freaking tough call. I have no idea. IMO Louis and Ali are clearly 1 and 2, (for me 2 and 1). But behind them it starts getting really tough. Holmes, Dempsey, Jeffries, Lewis, Liston, Foreman, and Johnson are all worth considering IMO.

This is a freaking tough call. I have no idea. IMO Louis and Ali are clearly 1 and 2, (for me 2 and 1). But behind them it starts getting really tough. Holmes, Dempsey, Jeffries, Lewis, Liston, Foreman, and Johnson are all worth considering IMO.

In my opinion Holmes, Johnson, Lewis and Foreman are the only candidates for the #3 spot. I can think of reasons for and against all of them, but for my money its Holmes.

In my opinion Holmes, Johnson, Lewis and Foreman are the only candidates for the #3 spot. I can think of reasons for and against all of them, but for my money its Holmes.

Holmes was my instintive pick, followed by Liston. (Considering my top 2, that says somethinf about what I think of jabs???). Thinking more about it, I am tempted to say Lewis.

I am curious of what makes you rule out Liston, Dempsey and Jeffrey. (If you already wrote about this in the thread, just tell me I will go back and read it later since I plan to read all posts tomorrow)

Have to give Marciano his respect here, he was undefeated and it would not be easy for anyone to keep Marciano off for an entire fight.

nobody has voted for jack dempsey?

Where's valuev?

yeah you're really mature. i bet your family likes having you around.

edit: for the posters who arent crying ******* who think people should be pistol whipped over an opinion. jack johnson has wins over sam langford, stanley ketchel, jim jeffries, and bob fitzsimmons. i dont see how anyone can say he doesnt have a phenomenal resume.He have Jack rated three. Only people who don't know about his career would laugh at that. They may disagree but it's not a laughable opinion to have.

To show where I stand with all the names being mentioned:

01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Jack Johnson
04. Jack Dempsey
05. Larry Holmes
06. Sonny Liston
07. Evander Holyfield
08. George Foreman
09. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson
11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills

Poet

For me it has to be Larry Holmes but i can see why people are voting for Jack Johnson!

Lennox Lewis.

To show where I stand with all the names being mentioned:

01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Jack Johnson
04. Jack Dempsey
05. Larry Holmes
06. Sonny Liston
07. Evander Holyfield
08. George Foreman
09. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson
11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills

Poet

Why is Tyson ahead of Lewis who's not even in that list.

Holmes was my instintive pick, followed by Liston. (Considering my top 2, that says somethinf about what I think of jabs???). Thinking more about it, I am tempted to say Lewis.

I am curious of what makes you rule out Liston, Dempsey and Jeffrey. (If you already wrote about this in the thread, just tell me I will go back and read it later since I plan to read all posts tomorrow)

I think I have Sonny ranked about 7th or 8th. Jeffries, as good as he was, just didn't have the longevity for me to put him in the top 10. Dempsey I think I have at 11. Very underrated in the skills department, but he just didn't defend the title enough. These are just my opinions at the moment and are subject to change the more I learn about these guys their era's and their competition.

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Johnson
5. Foreman

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Johnson
5. Foreman

Holmes and Johnson go back and forth in my head for third all the time.

Holmes and Johnson go back and forth in my head for third all the time.
For me Ali then Louis is inked in and from 3 to 12 is in pencil to be amended on a whim.

Big George Foreman. Look at that resume...look at his performance (twice!) against Joe Frazier. Enough said.

To show where I stand with all the names being mentioned:

01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Jack Johnson
04. Jack Dempsey
05. Larry Holmes
06. Sonny Liston
07. Evander Holyfield
08. George Foreman
09. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson
11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills

Poet

i take it you don't drink the lennox lewis kool aid. i'm with you on tyson and holyfield ranking higher than him. he mostly scavenged on holyfields and tysons leftovers and struggled way too much with guys like bruno briggs and mercer. i'm not trying to be a hater, he'd probably beat plenty of my favorite heavyweights. but i'll never rank him as the man of his era.

i take it you don't drink the lennox lewis kool aid. i'm with you on tyson and holyfield ranking higher than him. he mostly scavenged on holyfields and tysons leftovers and struggled way too much with guys like bruno briggs and mercer. i'm not trying to be a hater, he'd probably beat plenty of my favorite heavyweights. but i'll never rank him as the man of his era.

I drink no fighter's KoolAid :D I'm a fan of the sport first, particular fighters second. That being said, I rank Lennox at #13: The best of what I call the "near-greats". If his chin had been better he'd have cracked my top-10. If Tyson and Lewis had fought 10 times in their respective primes I'd favor Tyson to win 6 and Lewis 4.

Poet

I think I have Sonny ranked about 7th or 8th. Jeffries, as good as he was, just didn't have the longevity for me to put him in the top 10. Dempsey I think I have at 11. Very underrated in the skills department, but he just didn't defend the title enough. These are just my opinions at the moment and are subject to change the more I learn about these guys their era's and their competition.

They are all legit points. I like this thread, because I think it will not lead to a consensus, but it will sure be interesting.

I am thinking of sticking with Lewis at number 3 for now. I will definitely change my mind back and forth.

Gotta go with Jack Johnson.

Dempsey has no votes so far. Good.
But sadly Marciano does have some. :nonono: