Video is super short but the article (which I can't copy) says there's more to come


http://fighthype.com/pages/content6964.html



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That was a nice combo from Torres.

Here's a video of him wrestling with Kurt Pellegrino

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That was a nice combo from Torres.

Here's a video of him wrestling with Kurt Pellegrino

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Thanks. Never seen that.

Why's he wasting his time with this bull****? He needs to focus on stepping his boxing game up.

Why's he wasting his time with this bull****? He needs to focus on stepping his boxing game up.

I don't think he's training. I think it's just promo stuff for Ekco homie. His fight's not till June..

that would be awesome if he fought in the cage, hes strong and obviously can wrestle and would punch the **** out of a lot of people but yesh that was a nice combo from his opponent and people will be trying to get some notches on their belt by boxing with cotto. if one of them happens to do well that won't look good, he wont be able to block as well with those gloves but his footwork is pretty good.

In defense of Cotto, Miguel Torres has a background in boxing coming from his father. His father taught him how to box.

In defense of Cotto, Miguel Torres has a background in boxing coming from his father. His father taught him how to box.

His father did a ****ty job

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Lol Torres has balls to spar with a high level boxer. Cotto would do great in the UFC but shouldn't chose to fight in MMA, he still has things to do in boxing.

His father did a ****ty job

http://i29.tinypic.com/a0wao6.gif

Thats what happens when he can't pick on dudes smaller than him.

Lol Torres has balls to spar with a high level boxer. Cotto would do great in the UFC but shouldn't chose to fight in MMA, he still has things to do in boxing.

Doesn't look like they were even sparring. Looks like they were just messing around.
It's possible to do both if he wanted to. Cotto should just stick to boxing though, it's what he is best at.

His father did a ****ty job

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If you saw that fight he got KO'd not because he can't box but because after hurting his opponent he rushed in. Dude that Ko'd him actually threw a wild punch in retreat and caught him.

this 10 seconds video should be no indication of how miguel torres would do in boxing...they seem to be taking it easy and even if it was serious maybe it was a 10 second video because cotto was beating the **** out of torres for the rest of the sparring

Cotto was obviously taking it easy. The mma guy would literally die if cotto was going 100%. Nobody in mma can take or throw a punch from what i've seen....

Torres would kill Cotto if this was 4real

Torres would kill Cotto if this was 4real

Nice try troll, go back to sherdog.

If you saw that fight he got KO'd not because he can't box but because after hurting his opponent he rushed in. Dude that Ko'd him actually threw a wild punch in retreat and caught him.



It's called a glass jaw.....Miguel Torres and the vast majority of mma fighters have one.




Nobody in mma can take or throw a punch from what i've seen....



Pretty much,but you have to pretend that they can in this section.....so not to upset the mma fans who are so protective of their beloved sport.

Nice try troll, go back to sherdog.

Pot, meet Kettle...

Torres was working with Cotto when he was training for the Pacquiao fight, that's pretty cool to see boxers and mma fighters working together

I don't see why MMA fanboys get so mad when confronted with the fact that MMA guys are usually glass jawed horrible strikers. It's not like i'm saying they can't fight. Guys like GSP, Penn, the nog brothers, the diaz brothers and many others are amazing athletes. They just suck at striking, especially boxing.

Torres would kill Cotto if this was 4real

Haha, banned already, no wonder I couldn't deduct from your rep. Trolling goes both ways..

I don't see why MMA fanboys get so mad when confronted with the fact that MMA guys are usually glass jawed horrible strikers. It's not like i'm saying they can't fight. Guys like GSP, Penn, the nog brothers, the diaz brothers and many others are amazing athletes. They just suck at striking, especially boxing.

I don't know why boxing fanboys continually come into a MMA discussion forum and talk ****. I also don't see why they can't realize that it's 2 different sports so there boxing skill really has nothing to do with there striking for MMA. I mean, I could see if they where boxing, then yeah, they're terrible, but they're not boxing are they?

im not talking smack or trying to troll. I watch MMA from time to time ( will be watching this saturday's card ). I'm just so used to boxing when I see some of these guys throw punches it makes me wince.

im not talking smack or trying to troll. I watch MMA from time to time ( will be watching this saturday's card ). I'm just so used to boxing when I see some of these guys throw punches it makes me wince.

You have to stand a certain way to throw a correct boxing punch. In sports like MMA, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, ect you cannot take a proper boxing stance because it leaves you vulnerable to leg attacks, kicks, and takedowns....

True but I think pro boxing level footwork and speed can nullify most of that

True but I think pro boxing level footwork and speed can nullify most of that

Then you're blinded by ignorance. Same as every TKD guy or Kung Fu master that doesn't believe you need to be well rounded to be a complete fighter....

Kaps is convinved that holding your chin up in the air with your eyes closed and arms swinging away like a an old granny swinging her purse is the correct way to throw a punch.




We've been through this already,I'd rather not light up another long and drawn argument with an insecure fanboy who can not see the flaws within his own sport.The same flaws of which mma legend frank Shamrock has pointed out.

Kaps is convinved that holding your chin up in the air with your eyes closed and arms swinging away like a an old granny swinging her purse is the correct way to throw a punch.

We've been through this already,I'd rather not light up another long and drawn argument with an insecure fanboy who can not see the flaws within his own sport.The same flaws of which mma legend frank Shamrock has pointed out.

Yeah, that's how they punch.:rolleyes:

I wouldn't either, considering that you made no points in the last argument and got banned. Frank Shamrock must of really worked on his boxing after he made that comment right? So what the **** happened in the Le and Diaz fights?

Well he's right. The majority of so called "strikers" in mma have horrid technique, like liddel and other top MMA strikers. They put their chins in the air and swing for the fences praying to god one of their haymakers connects. Even andersons jabs are mediocre at best ( but he does have good head movement, footwork, and technique ).

And even vitor belfor, who competed in boxing has absolutely horrible technique when compared to pro boxers.

I'm just sayin.

Yeah, that's how they punch.:rolleyes:

I wouldn't either, considering that you made no points in the last argument and got banned. Frank Shamrock must of really worked on his boxing after he made that comment right? So what the **** happened in the Le and Diaz fights?



Frank Shamrock was the original mixed martial artist.To this day,at his peak,he still stands as one of the greatest fighters within the sport's history.For you to discredit him and his opinion simply because he was exposed as being well past his prime shows a complete lack of class on your part.


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So simple and yet so difficult for ignorant mma fans to understand.

Frank Shamrock was the original mixed martial artist.To this day,at his peak,he still stands as one of the greatest fighters within the sport's history.For you to discredit him and his opinion simply because he was exposed as being well past his prime shows a complete lack of class on your part.


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So simple and yet so difficult for ignorant mma fans to understand.

So why didn't he stop training in anything else and just focus on boxing? I love how completely ignore what Arvloski says at the beginning of that video. Frank didn't make a valid point in all of that except when he mentioned that Boxing and MMA where different sports. I love that you adore Frank as some kind of legend when he's really not, he just has a name, which he inherited from his adopted father. Frank has always been overrated and if you seen any fight he's commentated you can tell he really doesn't know ****...

Toby Grear
MMA Record 7 - 4 - 1

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Jens Pulver 4-0-0
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=256828&cat=boxer

Marcus Davis (17-1-2)
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=19438

Chris Lytle (13-1-1)
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=121346

But all MMA are terrible at boxing. BTW, Lytle is not a very good striker at all. His punches are wild and loopy...

So why didn't he stop training in anything else and just focus on boxing? I love how completely ignore what Arvloski says at the beginning of that video. Frank didn't make a valid point in all of that except when he mentioned that Boxing and MMA where different sports. I love that you adore Frank as some kind of legend when he's really not, he just has a name, which he inherited from his adopted father. Frank has always been overrated and if you seen any fight he's commentated you can tell he really doesn't know ****...




So because the man isn't as ignorant and small minded as you,you feel the need to not only discredit the man's opinion,but also his entire career.I can assure you that frank Shamrock knows alot more than you do.frank Shamrock is without question,one of the greatest fighters in mma history.


His point was that the the level of striking have progressed very little in the sport within the past ten years.The level of striking in mma is no different to what it was when Shamrock was in his prime over a decade ago.He didn't say anything about neglecting any other form of training.








Toby Grear
MMA Record 7 - 4 - 1

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Jens Pulver 4-0-0
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=256828&cat=boxer

Marcus Davis (17-1-2)
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=19438

Chris Lytle (13-1-1)
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=121346

But all MMA are terrible at boxing. BTW, Lytle is not a very good striker at all. His punches are wild and loopy...





Ricco Rodriguez has a boxing record,what's your point? Records don't mean anything.

So because the man isn't as ignorant and small minded as you,you feel the need to not only discredit the man's opinion,but also his entire career.I can assure you that frank Shamrock knows alot more than you do.frank Shamrock is without question,one of the greatest fighters in mma history.

Are you kidding? What has he done again to deserve to be called one of the greatest fighters? The only big name he's ever beaten was Tito, in a fight he was losing until Tito gassed, in Tito's 6th fight, where his training still consisted of wrestling with Tank Abbott.....


His point was that the the level of striking have progressed very little in the sport within the past ten years.The level of striking in mma is no different to what it was when Shamrock was in his prime over a decade ago.He didn't say anything about neglecting any other form of training.


So your theory is that Royce Gracie is as good of striker as CroCop? Or Enson Inoue is as good of striker as BJ Penn?




Ricco Rodriguez has a boxing record,what's your point? Records don't mean anything.

No way these glass jawed grapplers could beat a professional boxer right?

Yo Kaps... Greatest avatar ever.

Toby Grear
MMA Record 7 - 4 - 1



Jens Pulver 4-0-0


Marcus Davis (17-1-2)


Chris Lytle (13-1-1)


But all MMA are terrible at boxing. BTW, Lytle is not a very good striker at all. His punches are wild and loopy...

Amateur boxing =/= pro boxing

Most of those guys were club boxers. Marcus was a golden gloves boxer but still wouldn't last a round with any pro boxer. I've won many boxing fights in my local circuit and they don't count. It's like an MMA guy who's been training a few mixed arts for a year coming into my gym, me K.Oing him then acting like I beat fedor.

The fact remains that the striking in pro MMA is a joke.No matter how you spin it it's the damn truth.

Here's another video of Cotto teaching Pellegrino some body punches..

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It's real easy. In a boxing match, Cotto destroys anyone in MMA. In a MMA fight, Cotto gets taken down or has his legs kicked out from under him and can't get up fron his stool too start the second round....

Yo Kaps... Greatest avatar ever.


Switched from the Diaz brothers to show Epic Beard Man some love cuz he fights young guys and doesn't afraid of anything...

Are you kidding? What has he done again to deserve to be called one of the greatest fighters? The only big name he's ever beaten was Tito, in a fight he was losing until Tito gassed, in Tito's 6th fight, where his training still consisted of wrestling with Tank Abbott.....



Tito Ortiz was the same fighter then as he is now.Ortiz claims that he worked on conditioning since that fight,but the truth is has been fighting at a much slower pace since frank shamrock made him quit.Shamrock set the pace and Ortiz couldn't hack it.Shamrock was also fighting a much larger man who's style is based on using his size and strength.The reason Ortiz was so succesful back then was because he was fighting men much smaller than him.



So your theory is that Royce Gracie is as good of striker as CroCop? Or Enson Inoue is as good of striker as BJ Penn?



Cro Cop was already a a striker and Penn is one of few mma fighters who is noted for having above average boxing skills.


No way these glass jawed grapplers could beat a professional boxer right?



I'd call them club fighters but they are actually worse than that.

Tito Ortiz was the same fighter then as he is now.Ortiz claims that he worked on conditioning since that fight,but the truth is has been fighting at a much slower pace since frank shamrock made him quit.Shamrock set the pace and Ortiz couldn't hack it.Shamrock was also fighting a much larger man who's style is based on using his size and strength.The reason Ortiz was so succesful back then was because he was fighting men much smaller than him.







Cro Cop was already a a striker and Penn is one of few mma fighters who is noted for having above average boxing skills.






I'd call them club fighters but they are actually worse than that.

Same argument, different thread. I'm going to leave this one like I left the last one. If you don't like MMA, don't click the forum marked Mixed Martial Arts Discussion. It's easy to do, and you'll save yourself from Red K and more bans....

a boxer always has a punchers chance in a MMA fight, especially with those little gloves and the fact that MMA fighters have horrible boxing defense and are glass jawed ( see MERCER VS FORMER UFC CHAMP TIM SYLVIA ).

A mma fighter in a boxing match? Not a chance in the world does he win.

Here's another video of Cotto teaching Pellegrino some body punches..

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lol damn. dude seemed bothered by even those soft jabs. that body punch looked like 1/4 of what cotto can actually do and i think the guy might've winced. i'm no mma hater. just calling it how it looks to me.