I know, i know what you're thinking.. "WTF YEAH RIGHT" or "HE ALREADY BEAT HIM" ..which is slightly true. Some people would debate on saying if you watched their first fight with the volume down you can see how the judges had Lyoto winning.. OR some say Shogun just got straight up robbed. I think Shogun won the first fight, but now Lyoto fully knows what he's getting himself into and knows now what to prepare for.. and at the same time now Shogun fully knows that for this guy he has to fully go at him nonstop for the KO, which he can do. Unfortunately I don't see him pullling it off. I think Lyoto will find a way to remain undefeated.

Your exactly right.

Lyoto will win again because he knows how to point fight. He will land more shots, albeit not the harder shots but it will be lopsided on the compubox(can we call it that for MMA?)

Lyoto will win another decision and people will continue to think Shogun really won. When in reality, 90% punch/land ratio is forever better than the 15% every shot landed is a haymaker ratio.

If the person who lands the most shots wins the fight, Nate should've won his last fight. I watched the first fight with the sound off and still had Shogun winning. Hopefully Machida doesn't punch and run the whole fight...

If the person who lands the most shots wins the fight, Nate should've won his last fight. I watched the first fight with the sound off and still had Shogun winning. Hopefully Machida doesn't punch and run the whole fight...

Thats right...... plus IMO Shogun landed more shots than Machida, so it should've been a win-win for Shogun there, but having judges like Peoples who say kicks don't have an impact on MMA fights and Hamilton admitting his view was not the best and thus scoring a round Shogun clearly won for Machida (Round 4)..... how can anyone give that round to Machida is beyond me......







Shogun takes this rematch and will claim what is rightfully his.......

If the person who lands the most shots wins the fight, Nate should've won his last fight. I watched the first fight with the sound off and still had Shogun winning. Hopefully Machida doesn't punch and run the whole fight...

Nate lost to Maynard because Nate got rocked, Nate wasn't aggressive, Nate didn't do **** on the ground. Maynard initiated everything and I mean everything. While Nate looked like a Ultimate Fighter wannabe. And I wanted Nate to win.. :nonono:

Shogun and Machida was almost entirely standing. Shogun landed the bigger shots(mainly leg kicks). Machida landed more shots, even throwing while going backwards. If you watched the fight with the sound off and still thought Shogun won... I don't know what to say. lol

By the time Shogun landed his first strike, Machida had already hit him 6/8 times.

Nate lost to Maynard because Nate got rocked, Nate wasn't aggressive, Nate didn't do **** on the ground. Maynard initiated everything and I mean everything. While Nate looked like a Ultimate Fighter wannabe. And I wanted Nate to win.. :nonon:

Off topic for the thread and I know its my fault for bringing it up, so this is the last I will say on it, but Nate clearly landed more shots and did more damage the entire fight, winging haymakers that miss by a mile is not winning a fight. Just look at their faces afterwards..

I watched the fight with my eyes open and saw Shogun winning. I really don't need to shut out Rogan's commentary in order to have an objective viewing of a fight.

I watched the fight with my eyes open and saw Shogun winning. I really don't need to shut out Rogan's commentary in order to have an objective viewing of a fight.

Hear, hear.

Compustrike stats of the fight if anyones interested:
http://compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_104/MacHida-Rua.HTM

nah man, shogun is gonna punish his front leg to set up a ko punch. I see it so clearly in my head right now.

i think machida stops shogun this time....i thought he clearly won the fight against shogun even though it was close....machida got no credit for the knees and the clean shots he was landing throughout the fight

i think machida stops shogun this time....i thought he clearly won the fight against shogun even though it was close....machida got no credit for the knees and the clean shots he was landing throughout the fight

Co-sign.
Machida landed some awesome knee's. Like I said before, Machida has room to get better, Shogun doesn't.

Hear, hear.

Compustrike stats of the fight if anyones interested:
http://compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_104/MacHida-Rua.HTM

Are those real? Or is that some made up fan-made stats?

If those are real, I don't know what the hell I was watching then. I watched that fight 3x yesterday. Once online, 2x on ****e. Those compustrike stats make no damn sense. Specially since everything Shogun threw was a power strike/haymaker. :nonono:

I guess the 3 failed take downs attempts lost it for him. I don't really know. I saw Machida landed more shots but Shogun landing bigger shots. Landing shots while going backwards do count, ya know.

Are those real? Or is that some made up fan-made stats?

If those are real, I don't know what the hell I was watching then. I watched that fight 3x yesterday. Once online, 2x on ****e. Those compustrike stats make no damn sense. Specially since everything Shogun threw was a power strike/haymaker. :nonono:

I guess the 3 failed take downs attempts lost it for him. I don't really know. I saw Machida landed more shots but Shogun landing bigger shots. Landing shots while going backwards do count, ya know.

Yeah they're real. They're by the people who do Compubox. Strikeforce, MFC and KOTC use them as well.

I honestly cannot see how anybody thinks that Machida won the first fight. It really makes me wonder if I'm going crazy or people are just nuthugging/trolling....

I think all the Machida fan-boys are blinded by the fact that their hero couldnt possibly lose.

Shogun dominated this fight, controlled the octagon, and demolished Machida physically. lol even Machida thought he lost the fight, his head was hung and looked dejected... his face was all messed up by the shots he took aswell, i mean you must be blind if you couldnt see that Shogun was the fresher fighter by the end of it.

Co-sign.
Machida landed some awesome knee's. Like I said before, Machida has room to get better, Shogun doesn't.

Actually Rua can, he slowed the pace down during the last two rounds, not agressive enough because he thought he was ahead.


I hope the second fight turns out like the Lil Nog-Shogun fight classic striking, trying to knock each other's heads off, one can only dream right?

if there was a poll, it would be in shoguns favour

I hope shogun beats his boring ass. Shogun won the first fight in my opinion. I just think shogun will be the better champion, he's a warrior who always entertains and puts a show on for the crowd, plus I can see him beating anderson, shogun has awesome kicks and i think if he can pepper lyoto's legs even more early on then the dragon will lose alot of mobility and shogun will be able to apply alot more pressure and let his aggresive nature take over, shogun will have to be very diciplined and not chagre in as he will get caught, educated pressure and timed attacks will be the key to a shogun victory.

WAR SHOGUN!!!!!!

Co-sign.
Machida landed some awesome knee's. Like I said before, Machida has room to get better, Shogun doesn't.

Shogun is 3 years younger then Lyoto and continuing to get healthier coming off a long string of injuries but I guess he can't get any better right?

Shogun is going to finish him this time.