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boxasmash
02-15-2010, 10:42 AM
Nathan Cleverly? Kell Brook? Kevin Mitchell? James DeGale? Frankie Gavie? Billy Joe Saunders?

LOCKE
02-15-2010, 10:44 AM
Yeah all of them lol, top 2? Mitchell and Cleverley. Brook is up there too, and don't forget, Fury is only 20, he has loads of time to get better.

murmagic
02-15-2010, 11:02 AM
Imo kevin mitchell just because he is a proven fighter compared to the rest, nathans close behind tho. i really like kell brook but he needs to get busier

NJTV
02-15-2010, 11:06 AM
Cleverly is not good enough at the very top, he has a shocking defence and will get picked apart against top level.

It would have to be Kevin Mitchell or John Murray.

timbatron
02-15-2010, 11:24 AM
Kevin Mitchell and Nathan Cleverly will win world titles. The jury is still out on Brook. He has good skills, and natural talent, but he doesn't fight regularly enough to be considered a cert for the top just yet. John Murray doesn't even register with me. I don't think he is capable of beating many top 20 lightweights.

Irish Hitman
02-15-2010, 02:58 PM
Mitchell is best prospect
Im looking forward to see how frankie gavin progresses its weird he looks he has a mix of pacquiao and malignaggi in him i think

S.G.
02-15-2010, 03:00 PM
Call me crazy but I'm not sold on Cleverly as a top level boxer. He's too good for the domestic scene, yes, but I don't think he can make any significant waves on the world stage.

project xxx1
02-15-2010, 03:01 PM
nathan cleverly,kell brook and mitchell all could become world champs in my opinion,kells got the hardest division but he can bang with both hands so you never know

S.G.
02-15-2010, 03:03 PM
Mitchell is best prospect
Im looking forward to see how frankie gavin progresses its weird he looks he has a mix of pacquiao and malignaggi in him i think

Frankie's one of my favourite up and coming British prospects right now if not my favourite but I'm getting kinda worried by his offense, or lack thereof. He doesn't seem to have any bite whatsoever (okay, he has enough to hurt journeymen but it definitely won't translate to the world stage).

His defense and general technique is impeccable but I'm afraid once he really steps up in class he won't be able to keep tough come-forward fighters off him.

Rastamouse
02-15-2010, 03:59 PM
Clev and Mitchell are hardly prospects anymore.
Someone whos not been mentioned to keep an eye on would be George Groves.

LOCKE
02-15-2010, 04:42 PM
Call me crazy but I'm not sold on Cleverly as a top level boxer. He's too good for the domestic scene, yes, but I don't think he can make any significant waves on the world stage.

No, you're not crazy, he just needs to fight some international guys outside or just inside the top ten, he ain't ready for the best yet, he is only 22. He needs to fight someone like Garay right now, then start looking at the Tarvers, Campillos of the division, purely cos he hasn't faced anyone of that calibre, but the ability is there and the potential. Time is all he needs right now, he is progressing nicely.

LOCKE
02-15-2010, 04:44 PM
Clev and Mitchell are hardly prospects anymore.
Someone whos not been mentioned to keep an eye on would be George Groves.

Top quote, George probably has more ability than any others mentioned so far. Green k.

alza1988
02-15-2010, 04:47 PM
I like the look of Brook man .Should be big in a couple of years .His next fights the WBO intercontinental title.

chrismart83
02-15-2010, 05:07 PM
What do you fellas think about John Murray. I like watching him, puts on a good show. But may be a bit one-dimensional to make it to the top?
Alson Randell Munroe, he seems to feel off the radar slightly lately.

I like the look of Cleverly, Brook, Gavin and Mitchell, think they can go on to good things.
I havent see much of Groves, il have to keep an eye on him.

hammerhiem
02-15-2010, 05:24 PM
No mention of the legend that is Jason "2 Smooth" Booth? I mean he's onlyy 30 odd, a mere spring chicken!

On a serious Note kell brook in a couple of years could be fighting in a WW division without Cotto/SSM/Pac/PBF ect. He should be able to grab a belt with his talent.

The_Demon
02-15-2010, 05:25 PM
brook,mitchell top 2 for me followed by cleverly

gota mention george groves aswell

big fan of munroe too,big up the boxing binman!

The_Demon
02-15-2010, 05:58 PM
Call me crazy but I'm not sold on Cleverly as a top level boxer. He's too good for the domestic scene, yes, but I don't think he can make any significant waves on the world stage.

kind of agree with ya there S.G

he looked good at the weekend but brancalion seemed like he was there to be taken out

im glad nathan is finally knocking guys out like he should be,and hes still very young-but still has a very long way to go

bboy80
02-15-2010, 06:02 PM
Tom Dallas looks a bit of a beast, not to sure how he will cope when he steps up but he's deff big enough. Ashley Sexton looks very good his last fight he knocked the bloke right out!!!!

The_Demon
02-15-2010, 06:03 PM
Tom Dallas looks a bit of a beast, not to sure how he will cope when he steps up but he's deff big enough. Ashley Sexton looks very good his last fight he knocked the bloke right out!!!!

that KO was brutal

bboy80
02-15-2010, 06:05 PM
I would imagine it will be one of the best this year for sure

Dirt McGirt
02-15-2010, 06:29 PM
Kevin Mitchell is the best of the bunch, he's an excellent boxer and has now got some good experience behind him. Cleverly isn't far behind, not as good a boxer but he's a great puncher, he's goina have a great chance at world titles because of how weak his division is compared to the others.

I'm not appreciating DeGale, he's getting too ****y for someone who's only had a few fights against bums, his amateur record counts for nothing now, he needs to learn that.

It was great to see all the new generation of British boxers on the same card last week, makes a difference to the usual crap we have to put up with over here.

Mr.Crust
02-15-2010, 06:31 PM
Mitchell,Cleverly and Brook are there or thereabouts,although I would like to see Brook get a move on. I think both Cleverly and Mitchell are good enough to win a world title,Mitchell at the moment and Cleverly in a few fights time. I like the look of groves although I'm not convinced about his defence just yet. Britain does have some good fighters coming through,future looks good.

Mugwump
02-15-2010, 06:41 PM
I've been saying it for a while now: IMO, Groves is the best British prospect I've seen since Hamed.

He's a genuine boxer-puncher with all the shots (and some extra besides), who is equally at home going to the head or the body. Even at this tender age he plants his feet and loads up with either hand. After he goes through his final growth phase (somewhere in the next eighteen months) and fills out completely I expect he'll turn into a murderous puncher. He's got that fluid punching action which adds a vicious whip to his shots.

The kid has a first class attitude. He genuinely wants to be the best and with Hayemaker (and Adam Booth especially) he's got a mentor who'll keep his feet on the ground whilst fast-tracking him to opponents who're likely to give him a good test.

The Makhankov fight was just what George needed. A guy who you could have shot with an artillery piece and wouldn't have gone down. It's in fights such as those that you learn about your limitations. George took a few for his troubles and his chin held up well. No Khan-like questions raised there.

The "proposed" fight between DeGale and Groves (which Warren will never authorise) has me wondering where both fighters will be with 20 bouts behind them. All being well, I expect Groves will be firmly established at international level - just outside top-10 at his weight. Where DeGale will be is anyone's guess. If Warren plays to form it could be thirty fights before he gets a shot at the best fighters. It's a pity really because in his last fight - despite my skepticism - DeGale impressed me. He's filled out nicely and looks to have gained some extra power to add to his slick boxing skills.

Going back to Groves, my only worry is his hands. He seems free of such injuries at the moment, but his wicked punching style could well place intolerable stresses on them.

Of the rest - I don't know where to start. I can't remember a time when British boxing has been able to boast such an array of talent. Kell Brook, Frankie Gavin, Mitchell et al - any of them could make the big time.

boxasmash
02-16-2010, 11:42 PM
Never seen Groves fight, i'll check him out. Cleverly is still in uni, he thinks he's got another 50% in him when he finishes.

lacollier883
02-17-2010, 03:25 AM
Never seen Groves fight, i'll check him out. Cleverly is still in uni, he thinks he's got another 50% in him when he finishes.

Cleverly said 25%

lacollier883
02-17-2010, 03:29 AM
Not going to list the Mitchell's, Cleverly's etc

Here's some to watch out for

Scott Quigg
Stephen Smith
Joe Murray
Karl Place
George Groves
Frankie Gavin
Adrian Gonzalez

gingeralbino
02-17-2010, 04:13 AM
I like Lindsay but he needs to be a LOT more active, he's very inexperienced for a British champion. He needs to fight Simpson ASAP and then move to Euro level as that'll be the domestic scene clearerd up (if he wins, its a tough fight). He's with Hayemaker i think so get fecked over when Setanta went bust with getting dates.

McCloskey looked good in his Euro tittle win but i dont think he has what it takes to move up to world level, especially in a division as loaded as 140. Although he could end up getting a shot at Amir Khan (he's not heavy handed). Again, he needs to fight more often too.

Clegg
02-17-2010, 04:52 AM
Brook has impressed me the most.

Mitchell and Cleverley are building their resumes in the right way though and I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up world titles within the next 2 years.

Groves and DeGale both look very good, and I think the latter has received far too much criticism.

None of the heavyweight prospects impress me too much. I don't see Fury, Chisora or Dallas reaching world level. Sexton and Rogan are good fighters and hopefully both carry on fighting good opposition, even if it means taking fights that they'd probably lose. Rogan-Povetkin is a fight I'd like to see, for example.

Chunk.
02-17-2010, 05:15 AM
No mention of Darren Barker? Surprised if i'm honest. I think he has more of a chance at world level then the likes of Mitchell, Macklin and Cleverley IMO.

bboy80
02-17-2010, 05:28 AM
No mention of Darren Barker? Surprised if i'm honest. I think he has more of a chance at world level then the likes of Mitchell, Macklin and Cleverley IMO.

Fair play totally forgot about barker, yes he is deff a good prospect would love to see him in against macklin for the british & vacant european title..

gingeralbino
02-17-2010, 06:05 AM
Fair play totally forgot about barker, yes he is deff a good prospect would love to see him in against macklin for the british & vacant european title..
whats the story with Macklin v Pirog, is it of for sure? Is Pirog getting the world eliminator?

Clegg
02-17-2010, 06:51 AM
whats the story with Macklin v Pirog, is it of for sure? Is Pirog getting the world eliminator?

In Boxing News this week they're talking about it happening in early April. Apparently it's not set though and Barker is offering to fight Macklin instead if the Pirog fight falls through again.

murmagic
02-17-2010, 06:56 AM
war macklin world chamo for sure!

Joe Ko!
02-17-2010, 07:13 AM
Macklin will have to wait for a world title imo that german geezer Sylvester wont fight him and Sturm out the question cause he is a Roach fighter

bboy80
02-17-2010, 02:44 PM
In Boxing News this week they're talking about it happening in early April. Apparently it's not set though and Barker is offering to fight Macklin instead if the Pirog fight falls through again.

Sweet, that will be a good little fight..

Picazo
02-17-2010, 03:55 PM
kevin mitchell........but really yall its amir khan

steeluv
02-17-2010, 07:12 PM
Call me crazy but I'm not sold on Cleverly as a top level boxer. He's too good for the domestic scene, yes, but I don't think he can make any significant waves on the world stage.

well he is still so young, with age only time will tell, I can definately see him at least reaching top five in his rank, and think he will get a world title at some point even if its a ****ty belt.

De Gale and Groves, I see a great era in middle weights ahead. See great things from these two. could be the nearest thing we get to Eubanks and Benn in the future.

Gavin is alright but he dont convince me on a world scale. but he could be like hatton win some big fights late on in his career and become a world champion.

Kell Brook not conviced by him.

chrismart83
02-17-2010, 08:31 PM
Not going to list the Mitchell's, Cleverly's etc

Here's some to watch out for

Scott Quigg
Stephen Smith
Joe Murray
Karl Place
George Groves
Frankie Gavin
Adrian Gonzalez

Stephen Smith is a good shout. Im gonna keep an eye on Tony Bellew aswell.

lacollier883
02-18-2010, 05:23 PM
Stephen Smith is a good shout. Im gonna keep an eye on Tony Bellew aswell.

Forgot Bomber off my initial list, talented boxer who can bang and w=once he steps up he will make waves

Irish Hitman
02-18-2010, 05:56 PM
I like Tony Jeffries now he looks like a good prospect1

Mugwump
02-18-2010, 06:20 PM
No mentions for Billy Joe Saunders. He appeared to go off the rails a few months back and I hear his attitude to training has been questioned.

Not sure he has the talent to make it anyway.

Irish Hitman
02-18-2010, 08:21 PM
im still waiting for our john duddy to fight Chavez Jnr ! Ireland needs a new star!

ntate88
02-19-2010, 05:28 AM
mitchell the best of the bunch but hes hardly young and had about 30 fights so not really an "up and comer"

George groves 2nd best although its very early days. he'll beat de gale easy so i would hold back on fighting groves if i were de gale, theres 2 much hype around him to lose right now

John Hue
02-19-2010, 06:06 AM
Khan,Mitchell and Cleverly are all past the prospect stage. I consider George Groves the best prospect fighter wise but in today's world management is a huge factor and pretty well all the UK fighters that make it have been under Warren. Groves will have to overcome that hurdle and won't have the fast tracking DeGale will have.

20LH20
02-19-2010, 06:34 AM
I was impressed with both Mitchell and Cleverly last week. Both look like they can make it to world titles.

Mugwump
02-19-2010, 09:36 AM
Khan,Mitchell and Cleverly are all past the prospect stage. I consider George Groves the best prospect fighter wise but in today's world management is a huge factor and pretty well all the UK fighters that make it have been under Warren. Groves will have to overcome that hurdle and won't have the fast tracking DeGale will have.

Warren will fast-track DeGale ahead of Groves & Haymaker? I don't think so.