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tanibanana
02-15-2010, 05:38 AM
who holds the record in most number of successful defenses in each weight class, regardless of title (alphabet, lineal, ring, undisputed)... consecutive only..

sorry if this thread has been posted multiple times already..

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200+ = Joe Louis (25)
200
175 = Bob Foster (14)
168 = Sven Ottke (17)
160
154
147 = Henry Armstrong (18)
140
135 = Joe Gans (14)
130 = Brian Mitchell (13)
126 = Abe Atell (18)
122
118
115 = Khaosai Galaxy (19)
112
108 = Jung Koo Chang (15)
105

JAB5239
02-15-2010, 05:44 AM
who holds the record in most number of successful defenses in each weight class, regardless of title (alphabet, lineal, ring, undisputed)... consecutive only..

sorry if this thread has been posted multiple times already..

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200+ = Joe Louis (25)
200
175 = Bob Foster (14)
168 = Sven Ottke (17)
160 = Hopkins (20)
154
147 = Henry Armstrong (18)
140
135 = Joe Gans (14)
130 = Brian Mitchell (13)
126 = Abe Atell (18)
122 = Wilfredo Gomez (14) ?
118
115 = Khaosai Galaxy (19)
112
108 = Jung Koo Chang (15)
105

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Bundana
02-15-2010, 05:53 AM
who holds the record in most number of successful defenses in each weight class, regardless of title (alphabet, lineal, ring, undisputed)... consecutive only..

sorry if this thread has been posted multiple times already..

------------------------------------------

200+ = Joe Louis (25)
200
175 = Bob Foster (14)
168 = Sven Ottke (17)
160
154
147 = Henry Armstrong (18)
140
135 = Joe Gans (14)
130 = Brian Mitchell (13)
126 = Abe Atell (18)
122
118
115 = Khaosai Galaxy (19)
112
108 = Jung Koo Chang (15)
105

Think 168 should be Calzaghe with 21 defenses of his WBO crown.

GameGod
02-15-2010, 06:03 AM
Here:

Heavyweight: Joe Louis (25)
Cruiserweight: Johnny Nelson (14)
Light Heavyweight: Dariusz Michalczewski - 23 Defenses
Super Middleweight: Sven Ottke (21) / Joe Calzaghe (21)
Middleweight: Bernard Hopkins (20)
Light Middleweight: Gianfranco Rosi (11)
Welterweight: Henry Armstrong (19)
Light Welterweight: Julio Cesar Chavez (11)
Lightweight: Artur Grigorian (17)
Super Featherweight: Tod Morgan (12)
Featherweight: Eusebio Pedroza (19)
Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez (17)
Bantamweight: Orlando Canizales (16)
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy (19)
Flyweight: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (19)
Light Flyweight: Myong Woo-Yuh (17)
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez (21)

I would go with Calzaghe for Super Middleweight. Ottke got some ridiculous decisions.

mickey malone
02-15-2010, 09:36 AM
Here:

Heavyweight: Joe Louis (25)
Cruiserweight: Johnny Nelson (14)
Light Heavyweight: Dariusz Michalczewski - 23 Defenses
Super Middleweight: Sven Ottke (21) / Joe Calzaghe (21)
Middleweight: Bernard Hopkins (20)
Light Middleweight: Gianfranco Rosi (11)
Welterweight: Henry Armstrong (19)
Light Welterweight: Julio Cesar Chavez (11)
Lightweight: Artur Grigorian (17)
Super Featherweight: Tod Morgan (12)
Featherweight: Eusebio Pedroza (19)
Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez (17)
Bantamweight: Orlando Canizales (16)
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy (19)
Flyweight: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (19)
Light Flyweight: Myong Woo-Yuh (17)
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez (21)

I would go with Calzaghe for Super Middleweight. Ottke got some ridiculous decisions.
Where did you get those stats?... Some of them don't look right to me.. Tod Morgan was the one that hit me straight away; 7 or 8 defenses maybe, but no where near 12, but did I see 'lineal' titles in the TP's question?..
If that's the case you've probably done a good job..
Just out of curiosity; why include lineal titles?

crold1
02-15-2010, 10:40 AM
Where did you get those stats?... Some of them don't look right to me.. Tod Morgan was the one that hit me straight away; 7 or 8 defenses maybe, but no where near 12, but did I see 'lineal' titles in the TP's question?..
If that's the case you've probably done a good job..
Just out of curiosity; why include lineal titles?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=boxing-ratings

Where did you get those stats?... Some of them don't look right to me.. Tod Morgan was the one that hit me straight away; 7 or 8 defenses maybe, but no where near 12, but did I see 'lineal' titles in the TP's question?..
If that's the case you've probably done a good job..
Just out of curiosity; why include lineal titles?

I should probably make a note in the ratings that Brian Mitchell's record can be split between 12 WBA defenses and 13 lineal (records both ways). Morgan, according to these records, had ten: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/morgan-t.htm

mickey malone
02-15-2010, 11:10 AM
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=boxing-ratings



I should probably make a note in the ratings that Brian Mitchell's record can be split between 12 WBA defenses and 13 lineal (records both ways). Morgan, according to these records, had ten: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/morgan-t.htm
Thanks for the links, but it's difficult to take Morgan's title reign as 12'consecutive' defenses too seriously with so many draws defeats and no contests in between the title fights..

crold1
02-15-2010, 11:22 AM
Thanks for the links, but it's difficult to take Morgan's title reign as 12'consecutive' defenses too seriously with so many draws defeats and no contests in between the title fights..

I think ten is the more reasonable number. As to draws and losses in between, that's fairly common in more active eras. Sometimes the title was on the line; sometimes fights were contested above the limit. The record is what it is (and it belongs to Mitchell anyways at 13). :)

hhascup
02-15-2010, 12:13 PM
Yea, I did a study on this too. The thing I hate is that there are so many Champions. I remember when I introduced Iran Barkley several years ago and stated that he was the former Middleweight, Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight Champion of the World. When he got into the ring he said, Henry you forgot to announce that I was also the former Heavyweight Champion as well. He won the WBB Heavyweight Title when he stopped Coetzee in 1997.

crold1
02-15-2010, 12:17 PM
Yea, I did a study on this too. The thing I hate is that there are so many Champions. I remember when I introduced Iran Barkley several years ago and stated that he was the former Middleweight, Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight Champion of the World. When he got into the ring he said, Henry you forgot to announce that I was also the former Heavyweight Champion as well. He won the WBB Heavyweight Title when he stopped Coetzee in 1997.

I interviewed Riddick Bowe once and he argued with me that I should refer to him as a three time champion.

This sort of stuff is why I post the records for lineal defenses (hard to come by in a couple case like Attell) and whatever else. Carlos Monzon should always get credit for the real record and folks should be able to know that Hopkins 20 is soft.

hhascup
02-15-2010, 12:34 PM
I interviewed Riddick Bowe once and he argued with me that I should refer to him as a three time champion.

This sort of stuff is why I post the records for lineal defenses (hard to come by in a couple case like Attell) and whatever else. Carlos Monzon should always get credit for the real record and folks should be able to know that Hopkins 20 is soft.

Yes, I know Bowe too!

I also agree with you on the lineal championship. Years ago, someone bet me that I couldn't name all the champions in every division since the start of boxing in 1719. I started with the Heavyweights and worked my way all the way down to the Flyweights, including a couple of Jr. divisions (Jr. Lightweight & Jr. Welterweight). I won the bet to the amazement of everyone BUT now I honestly can not name all the Champions we have today.

They say that some boxers held 4, 5, 6 or even 7 different titles, when they never held 1 lineal championship.

When I was a kid, someone would ask me, who was the Light Heavyweight Champion, and I would say Archie Moore, who was the Flyweight Champion, and I would say Pascual Perez and so on. Now when someone asks, you have to list the WBA, WBC, WBO and the IBF Champions.

crold1
02-15-2010, 12:42 PM
Yes, I know Bowe too!

I also agree with you on the lineal championship. Years ago, someone bet me that I couldn't name all the champions in every division since the start of boxing in 1719. I started with the Heavyweights and worked my way all the way down to the Flyweights, including a couple of Jr. divisions (Jr. Lightweight & Jr. Welterweight). I won the bet to the amazement of everyone BUT now I honestly can not name all the Champions we have today.

They say that some boxers held 4, 5, 6 or even 7 different titles, when they never held 1 lineal championship.

When I was a kid, someone would ask me, who was the Light Heavyweight Champion, and I would say Archie Moore, who was the Flyweight Champion, and I would say Pascual Perez and so on. Now when someone asks, you have to list the WBA, WBC, WBO and the IBF Champions.

I tell them who the real champ is if there is one and leave it at that. You're not a World Champion just for winning a belt and I think things have gotten better in terms of press acknowledgement of that. My favorite was when Oscar retired and some folks talked about a ten time champ. How does that number come up? Counting belts only. That means when he unified belts at 135, he was a two-time champ.

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It's not that titles have always been unified before. The Middles of the 30s are a great case of mixed up claims. But it used to be the exception. The WBA has three champs in a single division at 115 and in other spots.

Not way I could go all the way back to the 1700s off the top of my head but I could make a better crack at it then most. :)

hhascup
02-15-2010, 12:46 PM
It's not that titles have always been unified before. The Middles of the 30s are a great case of mixed up claims. But it used to be the exception. The WBA has three champs in a single division at 115 and in other spots.

Not way I could go all the way back to the 1700s off the top of my head but I could make a better crack at it then most. :)

The Middleweight division was always my hardest because of that.

crold1
02-15-2010, 12:51 PM
The Middleweight division was always my hardest because of that.

That era proved something also worth noting...in the absence of a single champ, fighters making great fights overrules all. I LOVE the 30s Middles and the Middles between Hagler and Hopkins title runs are analogous.

Middleweight from 1988-94/95 (with some great action at 68 as buffer) is probably my favorite patch lived through so far. As talented (if not always as disciplined) as any era in Middle history IMO and with TONS of memorable fights of all styles from Toney-McCallum to Benn-Eubank to McLellan-Jackson...something for everyone.

tanibanana
02-15-2010, 07:51 PM
thread.. bookmarked/subscribed.. learning a lot here, thanks for posting guys.. I have always wondered who were the record holders for each weight. Now I know, unfortunately it confused me as well. Will I include minor titles and/or Ring belts, etc.. Good replies..