View Full Version : kirk johnson is the 2nd best heavyweight out their after v.klitchko!


dino
05-14-2005, 03:50 PM
who agrees?..he lost to ruiz because ruiz faked low blows after he knew he couldnt win

TheGreat1
05-14-2005, 03:54 PM
i have always been a big Kirk fan, his size and skill make him a great fighter, I think if he would have trained for the VK fight the out come would have been different. He has the ability to slip punches, coming in 270 lbs. there was no way he could dodge VK's shots. I still don't think he could beat Toney though. Would be a great fight. The only reason the score cards where so close with ruiz was because of the points he lost.

jedihillis
05-14-2005, 03:56 PM
Kirk Johnson got KO'd in 2 by V.Klit. There's no way i think he could beat someone of Vitali's stature. I'm not sure about the rest of the HW devision though.

paul750
05-14-2005, 04:03 PM
he's good good power and fast hands, but he showed a lack of ambition in the klitchko fight coming in out of shape, i think johnson has had his chances

the giant one
05-14-2005, 04:04 PM
If Johnson can settle his motivation/weight issues, you may have a point. He always seems to come in out of shape for the big bouts of his career and he has talent

scap
05-14-2005, 04:16 PM
If Johnson can settle his motivation/weight issues, you may have a point. He always seems to come in out of shape for the big bouts of his career and he has talent

He has no point, Kirk Johnson the second best heavyweight, on account of what...his wins over Ice Cole? I know the division is in bad shape but Kirk Johnson is as big of an underahciever as there is in the sport!

He has beaten no one, Ruiz who I hate has a resume that dwarfs Johnson's...if you are talking potential maybe but **** potnetial, the guy has already squandered it and hoping/dreaming that he will finally get into shape is pointless...

Trust me I have been hoping and dreaming that Iron Mike would get it together for the past decade and I have been an upset boy because of it.

Kirk Johnson, 2nd best...**** that.

RwK
05-14-2005, 04:44 PM
Johnson is a decent heavyweight believe it or not. He looked very impressive against Oleg Maskaev, who indeed does have a shaky chin, but is a dangerous fighter nonetheless. In his fight with Ruiz....I think he was robbed. The ref stopped the fight prematurely because of the low blows. He won almost every round and was making Ruiz look bad like he is. He does have talent...and is a bigger puncher than most people give him credit for.

Going into the Klitschko fight, I figured he was going to beat VK. He was easily the toughest opponent he had ever faced up untill that point, and I think is VK's most impressive victory as a heavyweight. He really made Kirk look bad. I think partly in due to Johnson's weight for the fight. He was at least 40 pounds overweight, and looked like he was hoola hooping tires around his middle.

An in-shape Johnson can give just about anyone in the division problems...because of his jab and semi-ellusivness. He is not necessarily fleet footed...but has a decent boxing style: that I would agree with.

2nd best heavyweight? Nope. Not even close. Wlad, Brewster, Rahman would all knock him out.

Neuraxis
05-14-2005, 04:50 PM
Due to Vitali's destruction of Johnson, I think Johnson has been unfairly discredited as a heavyweight contender. He has good wins over Nicholson, Donald, Maskaev, and he was just ducked by Boswell who for some reason was good enough to warrent McCline getting a title shot.

MetalVomit
05-14-2005, 05:25 PM
who agrees?..he lost to ruiz because ruiz faked low blows after he knew he couldnt win


wow man, unfortunately I completely disagree. Even Ruiz is better than Johnson, and i ****ING HATE Ruiz. Ask The Pretender.

riz
05-14-2005, 05:59 PM
brought up a decent point, but he hasn't taken a HUGE test yet, only one against klitschko which he was destroyed. against ruiz, he wasprobly gona win, but ruiz sux anyway so thts no biggy

joeboxer
05-14-2005, 06:13 PM
brought up a decent point, but he hasn't taken a HUGE test yet, only one against klitschko which he was destroyed. against ruiz, he wasprobly gona win, but ruiz sux anyway so thts no biggy


Kirk Johnson has some realy mental problems. If he got his head and his body right he could be a champion. Not THE champion but he could be one of them.

He beat Gilbert Martinez but nowhere near as good as the Nigerian Nightmare did, so I would say that he needs to beat someone like Sam Peter to get back in the spotlight.

The Italian Stallion
05-14-2005, 06:31 PM
Kirk has great ability. Hell of a boxer, but that doesn't mean anything because he doesn't have deication. If he have heart and dedication, he'd be a champion.

I think his next fight should be against Golata.

Neuraxis
05-14-2005, 07:39 PM
He beat Gilbert Martinez but nowhere near as good as the Nigerian Nightmare did, so I would say that he needs to beat someone like Sam Peter to get back in the spotlight.

He broke his hand in the 2nd round of that fight.

joeboxer
05-14-2005, 07:51 PM
He broke his hand in the 2nd round of that fight.


That would explain alot. Maybe that's why he's been out of it for so long.

I still think of fight with Sam Peter or Brock is what he needs at this point.

The Pretender
05-14-2005, 10:54 PM
Kirk Johnson last spotted fetching coffee for Ruiz.

Kimmy
05-14-2005, 11:00 PM
Johnson has skills. If he hadn`t had gone crazy with the low blows Vs Ruiz he may well have won on points. Its weird, he wasn`t trained for Klitscko, i don`t know why he came into the ring like that. He can be better, but 2nd best, no way, Byrd is better, so is Toney and maybe Rahman is too!

Leo Pradun
05-15-2005, 11:14 AM
Dude are u on drugs, Kirk Johnson sucks, did u see his latest fight vs Gilbert Martinez he barely won the decision and that Martinez guy got killed by Sam Peter in the 3rd round, oh and Im not even going to talk bout the Klitschko fight...