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asero831 02-12-2010, 11:13 PM after finally llyod marshall and red lopez made it to the HOF, it is now time to look for the best fighter that is yet to be inducted in the HOF. To me, it's Chris Eubank
consider only those are are eligible for induction and those that are not in the IBHOF list.
Here is my Top 10 List:
1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Naseem Hamed
4. Tiger Jack Fox
5. Young Jack Thompson
6. Hilario Zapata
7. Ernesto Marcel
8. Michael Nunn
9. Jiro Watanabe
10. Myung Woo Yuh
Next 20:
Rosendo Alvarez
Yoko Gushiken
Eddie Perkins
Eddie Booker
Masao Obha
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Ceferino Garcia
Davey Moore
Horacio Accavallo
Peter Kane
Mike O'Dowd
Santos Laciar
Pone Kingpetch
Ray Mancini
Kid Azteca
Julian Jackson
Ken Overlin
Joey Archer
Kid Cocoa
Johnny Famechon
I feel that the above top 20 fighters are more deserving that brian mitchell and barry mcguigan.
mickey malone 02-12-2010, 11:22 PM Just a few you haven't mentioned..
Gerry Quarry
Herol Graham
Duke McKenzie
Donald Curry
Jose Roman
Earnie Shavers (by popular demand)
Marlon Starling? (not sure if he got in or not)
crold1 02-12-2010, 11:36 PM Harry Jeffra is a terrible exclusion right now and one of the worst.
tanibanana 02-12-2010, 11:59 PM after finally llyod marshall and red lopez made it to the HOF, it is now time to look for the best fighter that is yet to be inducted in the HOF. To me, it's Chris Eubank
consider only those are are eligible for induction and those that are not in the IBHOF list.
Here is my Top 10 List:
1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Hector Camacho
4. Naseem Hamed
5. Michael Nunn
6. Hilario Zapata
7. Tiger Jack Fox
8. Young Jack Thompson
9. Jiro Watanabe
10. Myung Woo Yuh
Next 15:
Rosendo Alvarez
Eddie Perkins
Eddie Booker
Masao Obha
Virgil Hill
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Ceferino Garcia
Davey Moore
Horacio Accavallo
Peter Kane
Mike O'Dowd
Yuri Archakov
Santos Laciar
Pone Kingpetch
Kid Azteca
strong strong list... but would this downgrade IBHOF standards..
probably few 4-8 boxers on the list might be overlooked by IBHOF
but, to say all 25 deserves it is a bit too far..
the 1st Ten is indeed has a strong argument.. great list.
1SILVA 02-13-2010, 12:34 AM after finally llyod marshall and red lopez made it to the HOF, it is now time to look for the best fighter that is yet to be inducted in the HOF. To me, it's Chris Eubank
consider only those are are eligible for induction and those that are not in the IBHOF list.
Here is my Top 10 List:
1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Hector Camacho
4. Naseem Hamed
5. Michael Nunn
6. Hilario Zapata
7. Tiger Jack Fox
8. Young Jack Thompson
9. Jiro Watanabe
10. Myung Woo Yuh
Next 15:
Rosendo Alvarez
Eddie Perkins
Eddie Booker
Masao Obha
Virgil Hill
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Ceferino Garcia
Davey Moore
Horacio Accavallo
Peter Kane
Mike O'Dowd
Yuri Archakov
Santos Laciar
Pone Kingpetch
Kid Azteca
My list
Donald Curry
Ray mancini
Naseem Hamed
Marlon Starling
Michael Nunn
Julian Jackson
Marvin Johnson
Sammy Serrano
Sumbu Kalambay
Carlos Deleon
Hilario Zapata
Yoko Gushiken
Iran Barkley
Meldrick taylor
Buddy Mcgirt
Simon Brown
Jiro watanabe
Santos laciar
Antonio Esparragoza
Wilfredo vasquez
Paulie Ayala
Gus Lesnevich
Aaron Davis
Hector camacho
Mark Breland
BennyST 02-13-2010, 01:54 AM after finally llyod marshall and red lopez made it to the HOF, it is now time to look for the best fighter that is yet to be inducted in the HOF. To me, it's Chris Eubank
consider only those are are eligible for induction and those that are not in the IBHOF list.
Here is my Top 10 List:
1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Hector Camacho
4. Naseem Hamed
5. Michael Nunn
6. Hilario Zapata
7. Tiger Jack Fox
8. Young Jack Thompson
9. Jiro Watanabe
10. Myung Woo Yuh
Next 15:
Rosendo Alvarez
Eddie Perkins
Eddie Booker
Masao Obha
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Ceferino Garcia
Davey Moore
Horacio Accavallo
Peter Kane
Mike O'Dowd
Santos Laciar
Pone Kingpetch
Kid Azteca
Ken Overlin
Kid Cocoa
I feel that the above top 23 fighters are more deserving that brian mitchell and barry mcguigan.
The only guy missing off the top of my head from that list is Ernesto Marcel. Nominated for the HOF the last two years, just missed out this year, and is already in the WBHOF.
Most of these guys are more deserving than Barry McGuigan though.
HaglerSteelChin 02-13-2010, 08:30 AM Three guys in the WBHOF that should be in the IBHOF are Esteban Dejesus, Jose Luis Ramirez, and Primo Carnera. I don't think Argentine Juan martin Coggi is in either HOF; but he was one of the most solid JR WW in the last 30 years of boxing. As for asian fighters although his career was brief the number of title defenses by Yoko gushiken merit serious consideration and a guy like Cerefino Garcia who was the only pinoy MW champ. I also think atleast two of these three should get in Mancini, Pazmanian MF, or Haugen.
I think the eastern coast snow has given me a TKO? Will see the doctor now :bottle:
1SILVA 02-13-2010, 09:52 AM after finally llyod marshall and red lopez made it to the HOF, it is now time to look for the best fighter that is yet to be inducted in the HOF. To me, it's Chris Eubank
consider only those are are eligible for induction and those that are not in the IBHOF list.
Here is my Top 10 List:
1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Naseem Hamed
4. Tiger Jack Fox
5. Young Jack Thompson
6. Hilario Zapata
7. Ernesto Marcel
8. Michael Nunn
9. Jiro Watanabe
10. Myung Woo Yuh
Next 20:
Rosendo Alvarez
Yoko Gushiken
Eddie Perkins
Eddie Booker
Masao Obha
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Ceferino Garcia
Davey Moore
Horacio Accavallo
Peter Kane
Mike O'Dowd
Santos Laciar
Pone Kingpetch
Ray Mancini
Kid Azteca
Julian Jackson
Ken Overlin
Joey Archer
Kid Cocoa
Johnny Famechon
I feel that the above top 20 fighters are more deserving that brian mitchell and barry mcguigan.
Eddie perkins was inducted into the IBHOF in 2008.
1SILVA 02-13-2010, 09:54 AM Just a few you haven't mentioned..
Gerry Quarry
Herol Graham
Duke McKenzie
Donald Curry
Jose Roman
Earnie Shavers (by popular demand)
Marlon Starling? (not sure if he got in or not)
Mckenzie is a very underrated fighter who I would vote for
Joey Giardello 02-13-2010, 02:42 PM Here is my list of fighters who should be in the ibhf
Wilfredo vasquez
Willie Joyce
Primo Carnera
Sumbu Kalambay
Gianfranco Rosi
Naseem Hamed
Eddie Booker
Okaland Billy Smith
Bennie Brisco
Rodrigo Valdes
John Conteh
Donald Curry
Michael Nunn
crold1 02-13-2010, 03:16 PM Here is my list of fighters who should be in the ibhf
Wilfredo vasquez
Willie Joyce
Primo Carnera
Sumbu Kalambay
Gianfranco Rosi
Naseem Hamed
Eddie Booker
Okaland Billy Smith
Bennie Brisco
Rodrigo Valdes
John Conteh
Donald Curry
Michael Nunn
I used to consider Kalambay and Nunn borderline and still could; they're right there with Curry. I think they deserve to hear a vote, same as Eubank and Benn.
Carnera? That might be the worst idea I've ever heard for the Hall. Not enough quality and too much (rightful) speculation that his big wins were fixed and he was made to look a joke against top guys when it was clearly on the up.
I'm sticking with Jeffra as the biggest miss for right now. World titles in two weight classes, won five of six from Escobar, and was already in the old Ring Hall.
JAB5239 02-14-2010, 03:29 AM I used to consider Kalambay and Nunn borderline and still could; they're right there with Curry. I think they deserve to hear a vote, same as Eubank and Benn.
Carnera? That might be the worst idea I've ever heard for the Hall. Not enough quality and too much (rightful) speculation that his big wins were fixed and he was made to look a joke against top guys when it was clearly on the up.
I'm sticking with Jeffra as the biggest miss for right now. World titles in two weight classes, won five of six from Escobar, and was already in the old Ring Hall.
His wins over Sharkey and Schaff were legit. His win over Laughran was probably legit also considering Tommy had a broken foot. I would also think the Uzcudun fight was on the up and up but I've never seen it to make the judgment for myself.
His road to the title is obviously questioned, but I think Carnerra was better than given credit for. His courage during the Baer and Louis fights is something I think is overlooked that I give him major credit for.
Everything taken into consideration he's still borderline though. His resume is still better than some who are already in.
mickey malone 02-14-2010, 08:35 AM His wins over Sharkey and Schaff were legit. His win over Laughran was probably legit also considering Tommy had a broken foot. I would also think the Uzcudun fight was on the up and up but I've never seen it to make the judgment for myself.
His road to the title is obviously questioned, but I think Carnerra was better than given credit for. His courage during the Baer and Louis fights is something I think is overlooked that I give him major credit for.
Everything taken into consideration he's still borderline though. His resume is still better than some who are already in.
Carnera does get a bit underrated.. Everyone remembers him as once holding the record for being the tallest boxing champ, but since the emergence of Valuev etc, that record has long gone.. But one record that doesn't look like ever being beaten is the 69 KO victories he scored throughout his career which is more than any other HW champion in history..
TheGreatA 02-14-2010, 10:23 AM Carnera was one of the first to have a "built" career. This doesn't necessarily mean all his fights were fixes, just that his opponents were hand-picked as is most often the case today. Do you think they had to pay some 180 lbs tomato can to take a dive against a near 100 lbs bigger man? Not really.
Out of all the film I've seen of Carnera, the only suspicious fight is against George Godfrey. Again, not because it's seemingly fixed, but because Carnera receives a questionable DQ win, although Godfrey was known for hitting people low. Before that Godfrey was trying to take Carnera's head off with right hand haymakers. Is this any worse than the treatment some German fighters have received in recent times? Sven Ottke for example who is being considered for the IBHOF.
Of course having Carnera in the hall of fame may look bad because of his reputation but was he that bad compared to Jess Willard who is already in the hall of fame? I wouldn't say so. And Carnera has a better list of confirmed legit wins than Willard did. Willard had the win over old Jack Johnson and little else. He disgraced the championship by holding it hostage for 4 years. Carnera for all his faults was a fighting champion who fought the best.
crold1 02-14-2010, 12:05 PM Carnera was one of the first to have a "built" career. This doesn't necessarily mean all his fights were fixes, just that his opponents were hand-picked as is most often the case today. Do you think they had to pay some 180 lbs tomato can to take a dive against a near 100 lbs bigger man? Not really.
Out of all the film I've seen of Carnera, the only suspicious fight is against George Godfrey. Again, not because it's seemingly fixed, but because Carnera receives a questionable DQ win, although Godfrey was known for hitting people low. Before that Godfrey was trying to take Carnera's head off with right hand haymakers. Is this any worse than the treatment some German fighters have received in recent times? Sven Ottke for example who is being considered for the IBHOF.
Of course having Carnera in the hall of fame may look bad because of his reputation but was he that bad compared to Jess Willard who is already in the hall of fame? I wouldn't say so. And Carnera has a better list of confirmed legit wins than Willard did. Willard had the win over old Jack Johnson and little else. He disgraced the championship by holding it hostage for 4 years. Carnera for all his faults was a fighting champion who fought the best.
Considering the number of fighters who genuinely deserve to be in, Carnera would be an awful choice. Willard being in was a mistake; no need to compact it.
TheGreatA 02-14-2010, 12:17 PM Considering the number of fighters who genuinely deserve to be in, Carnera would be an awful choice. Willard being in was a mistake; no need to compact it.
Carnera wouldn't make my hall of fame either but I don't think he's such a horrible choice considering the fighters who are already in. I think he gets a bad reputation based on unproven rumours. Him being inducted into the boxing hall of fame would be a nice tribute to a man who has been made to be a joke and a circus act. He could fight.
However I agree that there are more deserving fighters. For example Newsboy Brown defeated Baby Arizmendi, Midget Wolgast, Chalky Wright, Panama Al Brown, Frankie Genaro, five hall of famers and a bunch of other good fighters. Successfully competed from flyweight up to featherweight.
I'd like to see Terry Downes and Freddie Mills in there too but will put my hand up to being biased there.
crold1 02-14-2010, 12:48 PM I'd like to see Terry Downes and Freddie Mills in there too but will put my hand up to being biased there.
In the right year, I'd vote for Mills. Strongly considered him this year.
The Iron Man 02-14-2010, 05:40 PM Alot of worthy names have been mentioned.
But i havent seen Mike Tyson, surley he deserves a shout?
crold1 02-14-2010, 06:30 PM Alot of worthy names have been mentioned.
But i havent seen Mike Tyson, surley he deserves a shout?
He's just coming into eligibility and most expect an easy first time nod.
asero831 02-15-2010, 07:24 AM Ernesto Marcel please
mickey malone 02-15-2010, 08:55 AM Light-middleweight Elisha Obed, holds two world records as the first world champion from the Bahamas and 57 KO's on his resume which is more than any other champ at 154..
Other's who are well worth a mention:
David Kotey ( FW champ,Ghana)
Dado Marino (FLW champ, Hawaii)
Hogan Kid Bassey (FW champ, Nigeria)
Vic Toweel (BW champ, Sth Africa)
Charles LeDoux (BW champ, France)
BennyST 02-15-2010, 10:48 AM Light-middleweight Elisha Obed, holds two world records as the first world champion from the Bahamas and 57 KO's on his resume which is more than any other champ at 154..
Other's who are well worth a mention:
David Kotey ( FW champ,Ghana)
Dado Marino (FLW champ, Hawaii)
Hogan Kid Bassey (FW champ, Nigeria)
Vic Toweel (BW champ, Sth Africa)
Charles LeDoux (BW champ, France)
Hmm, I don't know about some of them. They were very good, but not really solid HOF material.
Vic Toweel when he faced the best fighter he fought got knocked out in the first round and then stopped in the rematch easily too, though that guy was a very good fighter and massively underrated, but his short career hindered him from true recognition as the brilliant boxer he was.
Sammy Serrano is a very overlooked champion and should also be a definite HOF. One loss in between 17 or more title defenses at 130 in a fight in which he got knocked out while winning every round, which he won back in a rematch and fought all the very best of his time and his time was a damn good one. He has wins such as Ben Villaflor, Leonel Hernandez, Nkosana Mgxaji, Victor Federico Echegaray and many other solid wins over good opposition before finally losing his title to a young, undefeated Roger Maywether and retiring thereafter.
Marcel should be a definite though soon, with just a few of his wins being over great champions like Alexis Arguello, Antonio Gomez x 2, Alfredo Mercano x2, Sammy Serrano, Bernardo Caraballo, Jose Smecca, Ramiro Bolanos, along with being horribly robbed against two other great fighters in their hometowns when he was only given a draw against Kuniaki Shibata in Japan for the FW title and a terrible SD loss against Leonel Hernandez in Venezuela.
1SILVA 02-15-2010, 11:13 AM He's just coming into eligibility and most expect an easy first time nod.
Yes, he will be a first ballot inductee as will Tommy hearns once they become eligible.
crold1 02-15-2010, 11:24 AM Yes, he will be a first ballot inductee as will Tommy hearns once they become eligible.
I believe Chavez, Tszyu and Tyson are all up this year and will probably all go in first ballot. A case can be made against Tszyu going in over some already on the ballot, but Chavez and Tyson are in unless a lot of drugs are going around.
NChristo 03-27-2010, 02:22 PM Great list I would also add Tony DeMarco though
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