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Double Jab
02-12-2010, 07:18 PM
Crash Course in Athletic Nutrition for Noobs

*DISCLAIMER*
I am writing this just for myself, I have a tendency to remember things more clearly when I write them out. Also, I have the potential of being wrong, I am still learning myself, so if you see something you do not agree with, please by all means call me out on it. I’d rather be wrong here and now that be considered a jackass for doing something useless the next few years. I’m sharing this just in case anyone else was interested.
*END DISCLAIMER*

1. What you eat, protein, carbs, and fat.
2. How your body uses these things
3. How much your body needs
4. Where to get it.
5. Summary of what you want to do.




1. WHAT YOU EAT, PROTEIN, CARBS, AND FAT.

Proteins: A combination of something called amino acids. There are roughly 9 essential (you must eat them to get them) amino acids and roughly 12 non-essential (your body can produce them) amino acids. Once the amino acids bind, they can become protein, which is then used to repair damaged muscle tissue. Exercise, damages muscle tissue. This is why the basic theory behind working out, then eating protein, is beneficial, because once exercise is completed, the body heals the muscle a little bit stronger, so the same damage is less likely to happen. This is how gains are, well, gained.

Carbs: There are basically two kinds of carbs, simple and complex. Simple carbs are digested and glucose (what is used for energy) is sent into the bloodstream in great amounts. This is good after workout’s, because your muscles have used up a lot of their energy, and need to be replenished. The down side is, if your body does not need the extra glucose in the blood stream, it makes insulin to inhibit the glucose, which makes it more difficult to get around the body. (This is why you have a quick jolt of energy, followed by feeling like crap when you eat something like a twinkie or white bread).
A complex carb has to be broken down before it can be used as energy, and it cannot be absorbed as fast, which makes the energy flux much less noticeable, as well as giving the body time to clear the glucose out if it isn’t needed, so the body doesn’t make nearly as much insulin.

Fats: Trans fat, Saturated fat, monounsaturated fat, and polyunsaturated fat. Here is what they basically do. Trans fats are no good, it is in fried products, just try to limit it as much as you possibly can, it doesn’t matter. Saturated fat increases cholesterol deposits in vein walls (bad, LDL). Monounsat fat doesn’t effect the deposits of cholesterol in vein walls (neutral). Polyunsat fat still delivers cholesterol, but not only that, it removes cholesterol in the vein walls and recycles it (good, HDL).
Now, why is cholesterol important. It is used to regulate hormones, used to make cell membranes, and basically all kinds of good things, that isn’t the point. When cholesterol is distributed into the blood stream by LDL, it can give it too much cholesterol, and if the cholesterol isn’t used, it is stored on the vein walls, which later in life can lead to clots, which can break and enter a vein that it cannot fit through, blocking it, places like the heart (heart attack) or the brain (stroke). HDL, on the other hand, still spreads cholesterol through the body, but if there is too much, it will take it off the walls and recycle it, clearing up potential clots. Why is this important? The less clotting in the blood, the better the blood flow, which increases oxygen efficiency, which in turn…helps cardio. LDL bad, HDL good.

2. HOW YOUR BODY USES THESE THINGS

Carbs are broken down into glucose, which in turn becomes glycogen. Glycogen is stored in the muscles, and then when needed, it is broken down and used. Best part, this system doesn’t need oxygen. (anaerobic, like lifting and sprinting.) But it does run out after a while, and this is muscle fatigue, and muscle fatigue causes damage, and after the workout, protein is used to repair that damage, and rebuild the muscle a little stronger to adapt to the situation. Protein is crummy at producing energy, so forget about that. Fat on the other hand, is decent, as long as oxygen is available. Fat is broken down into a substance which can be used to produce energy (specifically ATP). Problem is, this process requires oxygen, and it removes unneeded parts of the broken down fat into the kidneys and out when you pee. This is why heavy long distance cardio people, pee and poo more often then people who are more couch potatoish.

3. HOW MUCH YOUR BODY NEEDS

The most basic calculation of how many calories you need a day to stay at the same weight, is your weight in lbs x 10, then multiply that by anywhere from 1.1 to 1.5, depending on your daily routine. 1.1 is a desk job, basically sitting all day. 1.2 is standing with some movement, most customer service jobs, gardening. 1.3 is walking and light load carrying, golf without a cart, carrying your own clubs. 1.4 is carpentry, lifting heavy objects throughout the day, football, tennis, basketball. 1.5 is professional athlete, who basically trains for 8 hours a day.

Now, lets use me as an example. I am 188 right now, and im a 1.2. 1880 x 1.2 = 2256 calories. I want to lose about one lb of weight a week, to get down to 165. 3500 calories in a lb of fat, 7 days a week, so I remove 500 calories a day to get roughly 1750, and for the last 2 months, I have been losing a lb a day. (and looking sexy the whole time). The safe fat loss is 1 to 1 ½ lbs of fat a week, so don’t restrict yourself too much if you are trying to lose.

Next is the percentage. Some people do 50% carbs, 25% fat 25% protein, or 60/20/20. My personal favorite, which I have been using, is 40/30/30. So, 40% of 1750 = 700 calories from carbs. And 30% = 525 in protein and fat. Lastly, carbs are 4 calories, protein is 4, and fat is 9, so take all those numbers, and divide them with the number of calories, and now you know what to eat.

For me, 175 g carbs, 131 g protein, 58 g fat.

Make sense? Lets move on.

4. WHERE TO GET IT

Here are the things I eat, mono and poly unsat fats, both types of carbs, and protein in the form of eggs, animal meats, and whey isolate protein powder.
Mono fats : http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-000032000000000000000.html

Poly fats : http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-000047000000000000000-5.html

Simple carbs: http://www.weightlossforall.com/simple-carbs.htm

Complex carbs: http://www.weightlossforall.com/complex-carbs.htm

Protein: http://www.weightlossforall.com/protein_content_from_good_source.htm

5. SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO

Step one, find out how much your normal metabolic rate is with the formula in 3. Find out how much you want to remove or add a day, and then, use the division to split it into carbs, fat, and protein.
Once you have done that, find your favorite foods, and try different ones, and do your best not to go over those amounts.
And don’t forget, each person is different. Try different times to eat the food (like either fats or carbs in the morning, or both in the morning, to see which makes you feel the best) as well as what percents you want to use, the only rule, protein and fat have to be the same percentage.

That is the gist of it. Let me know if you have any questions, or if something I said is completely wrong.

Clark_Kent03
03-01-2010, 03:28 PM
This is very interesting. I am starting out and my question is this. 1) What if you wanted to gain weight, instead of losing it? I weigh about 140 now and I want to get up to 150 or more preferable 155. I have had trouble gaining weight my entire life, so what would I want to do? (after doing the formula, with my weight, it comes to 1540 calories.) 2) As far as the fat v. carbs v. protein, for weight gain, what would be a good ratio?

Joachim
03-01-2010, 04:05 PM
This is very interesting. I am starting out and my question is this. 1) What if you wanted to gain weight, instead of losing it? I weigh about 140 now and I want to get up to 150 or more preferable 155. I have had trouble gaining weight my entire life, so what would I want to do? (after doing the formula, with my weight, it comes to 1540 calories.) 2) As far as the fat v. carbs v. protein, for weight gain, what would be a good ratio?
Just eat everything and anything. most people want to lose weight. but if youre dead set on putting on a lot of weight, up the amount of cals youre consuming and incorporate a lot of weight lifting. Peanut butter and chicken is a good start.

F l i c k e r
03-01-2010, 04:19 PM
There is an easier way to gain weight healthy, Clark.

Amino acids and protein supplements. Or just buy a weight gainer supplement, it is healthy weight so there is nothing to worry about.


http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/gainer.html

Optimum makes some good stuff. I personally haven't used a weight gainer but I trust optimum. Sometimes you gotta step out of the boxing world to find what you want.

Hi-Dro
03-01-2010, 06:07 PM
good TS THREAD STARTER

iceman1
03-01-2010, 06:59 PM
sick thread :)
was hoping for something like this :)

arraamis
03-01-2010, 09:35 PM
Excellent post TS.

Green K for your effort .....

phallus
03-01-2010, 09:56 PM
Excellent post TS.

Green K for your effort .....

i agree, i greened u also

Clark_Kent03
03-01-2010, 11:20 PM
Dont know what any of you are talking about... "TS"? I guess I gotta get my head in the game..

mathed
03-01-2010, 11:40 PM
Great thread, as far as weight gainers I have tried one before. They are thick like cookie dough and hard to ingest but you will definitely gain weight.

Double Jab
03-02-2010, 12:55 PM
This is very interesting. I am starting out and my question is this. 1) What if you wanted to gain weight, instead of losing it? I weigh about 140 now and I want to get up to 150 or more preferable 155. I have had trouble gaining weight my entire life, so what would I want to do? (after doing the formula, with my weight, it comes to 1540 calories.) 2) As far as the fat v. carbs v. protein, for weight gain, what would be a good ratio?

For amount of calories, I would say you should eat around 3300 calories. Here is the reason why (puts on sherlock holmes hat).

From the fact you have had trouble gaining weight most of your life, it seems like you have a naturally high metabolism, which means your body probably burns through 1800 calories like a joke while you could potentially watch TV.

Now, if you were to do one of the more basic, effective, and wonderful lifting plans for size and strength known as the 5x5 (5 sets of 5 reps of one exercise), a visit to the gym would burn roughly 300-500 calories if you worked quite hard. This would mean around 1000 calories would be used simply for recovery, if not more.

Problem being, excess glucose turns into adipose tissue, which stores fat. Anyone can get fat, thats not a good idea. You are going to want alot of carbs, still alot of protein, and a good deal of fat. I say considering how hard you should push yourself for weight gain, a ratio of 50/25/25 would be ideal.

438 g's carbs.
150 g's protein.
98 g's fat.

I knocked off some protein, because your body doesnt really use more that 1 g per lb of bodyweight, so 150 is pushing the envelope a slight bit.

As for actually doing the workout, two suggestions. Number one, under no circumstances, do any kind of cardio over 10 minutes. 10 minutes is your max, be it a warm up, or you need to sweat a little. If anything, high intensity intervals with a max time limit of 10 minutes. This is because you need all the extra calories helping your body recover, not burn off extra fat, you dig? Secondly, split your body into three areas, and work one of those a day. The constant exercise will increase testosterone as well as release natural HGH to get your body working and adapting to the new conditions (meaning increased muscle size and strength to deal with the strain).

The way I split my body is front, back, and legs.

Day one is front, I do Pecs, abs (both front and sides, meaning obliques), biceps, forearms.

Day two is back, I do lats, shoulders, traps, triceps.

day three is legs, which is legs.

Try doing two exercises per bodypart, meaning in one workout session, you will do 8 5x5 exercises.

Now, with 5x5, rest between sets is 1:30-2 minutes, you choose depending on intensity, and you have to use enough weight where you could probably do 7 on the first set, but it would be extremely difficult to do 5 reps on the last set without a spotter or a bit of a cheat movement.

Lastly, take sunday off, eat the 3200 calories as normal, make sure to do no cardio. If you workout extra, like boxing training or sports or something else high intensity, add an extra 800 calories. Why so much? Because your body will use the energy in the muscles, which are trying to heal. So you need the huge carb and fat boost so your muscles dont atrophy (eat themselves for energy). That means an extra 100 carbs and 45 g's of fat.

Long story short, with very very heavy lifting and boxing training, 4000 calories a day should help you gain weight just fine.

Hope this post made sense.