Is Rocky Marciano`s undefeated record of 49-0 Flawed... i ask this because when Larry Holmes got himself into trouble by claiming Rocky could not carry his jockstrap.. Holmes was refering to Rocky apparently padding his record by fighting his brother `Peter Marciano on at least 4 or 5 occasions so as to boost his record, his brother fought under alias names.. this has also been mentioned in various books.. can any of you anoraks add anything:

I highly doubt that's true. Just a conspiracy theory created by bitterness.

Is Rocky Marciano`s undefeated record of 49-0 Flawed... i ask this because when Larry Holmes got himself into trouble by claiming Rocky could not carry his jockstrap.. Holmes was refering to Rocky apparently padding his record by fighting his brother `Peter Marciano on at least 4 or 5 occasions so as to boost his record, his brother fought under alias names.. this has also been mentioned in various books.. can any of you anoraks add anything:

i doubt it tbh...

The only questionable thing about the record is that he had his first professional fight under another name while still competing in the amateurs. After winning his debut, he went back in the amateurs to compete in a Golden Gloves tournament, losing to Coley Wallace.

He also won close, controversial decisions over Roland LaStarza in the first fight and Tiger Ted Lowry in the first fight.

I'm not aware of Marciano fighting his own brother to pad up his record though. I've heard it but never seen any proof.

The only questionable thing about the record is that he had his first professional fight under another name while still competing in the amateurs. After winning his debut, he went back in the amateurs to compete in a Golden Gloves tournament, losing to Coley Wallace.

He also won close, controversial decisions over Roland LaStarza in the first fight and Tiger Ted Lowry in the first fight.

I'm not aware of Marciano fighting his own brother to pad up his record though. I've heard it but never seen any proof.

Wait, so was he really 50-0?

Wait, so was he really 50-0?

No, he's 49-0. His pro debut is still counted on his record even though he fought under a fake name while he was still an amateur boxer. Much like when Ruslan Chagaev had two professional fights in 1997 and competed as an amateur for 4 more years.

No, he's 49-0. His pro debut is still counted on his record even though he fought under a fake name while he was still an amateur boxer. Much like when Ruslan Chagaev had two professional fights in 1997 and competed as an amateur for 4 more years.

Gotcha, thanks.

I'm still a little unclear as to why we should care about whatever cans he was fighting early in his career. Seems like another lame attempt to discredit a great fighter.

is his brother peter the fat bald one larry holmes made fun of? if so he was 11 years old when marciano beat walcott and i think rocky was 29....the reason why he defends rocky so much is because that was like his big brother idol....

Many of the detractors of Marciano have trouble accepting that a white guy with little reach and height was able to go 49-0. His wins against guys like Louis and Moore are cheapeaned with comments as he beat guys who were past their prime or whatever. I would agree some of them were past their prime but Rocky is one of the top 5 HW's of all time and i have him top 15 P4P in my ATG list.

What about the stories that he lost a few early club fights. Any truth to that?

The only questionable thing about the record is that he had his first professional fight under another name while still competing in the amateurs. After winning his debut, he went back in the amateurs to compete in a Golden Gloves tournament, losing to Coley Wallace.

He also won close, controversial decisions over Roland LaStarza in the first fight and Tiger Ted Lowry in the first fight.

I'm not aware of Marciano fighting his own brother to pad up his record though. I've heard it but never seen any proof.

cheers i appreciate your imput.

Gotcha, thanks.

I'm still a little unclear as to why we should care about whatever cans he was fighting early in his career. Seems like another lame attempt to discredit a great fighter.

This is not "another lame attempt to discredit a great fighter" as you put it... it is bonafide boxing topic that i started to see what the imput to it is of which i am appreciative....

I read one time that he was mobb affiliated and that alot of his wins were fabricated or rigged but don't quote me on this.But with a little research you'll find news papers talking bout how they thought he lost against a guy name Lowry or something look it up!!

Holmes is on record for appologizing to Marciano's family for the 'jockstrap' comment, but i believe it was more aimed at his own bitterness for failing to equal Marciano's record..

Holmes is on record for appologizing to Marciano's family for the 'jockstrap' comment, but i believe it was more aimed at his own bitterness for failing to equal Marciano's record..

i must disagree - Holmes definately insinuated that Rockys record was `padded`and refered to these fights with his brother.. The press & the commision jumped on Holmes who then made an official opology by saying, "Maybe i gotta Big mouth".... Lets not forget that Marciano himself used the name `Rocky Mac`in his early pro fights and switched back and forth from pro to amateur...
IMO Marciano never fought his brother in pro fights, yet i do believe like the book says that he fought him in exhibitions and amateur fights.. But Holmes did call into question Rockys 49-0 pro record

i must disagree - Holmes definately insinuated that Rockys record was `padded`and refered to these fights with his brother.. The press & the commision jumped on Holmes who then made an official opology by saying, "Maybe i gotta Big mouth".... Lets not forget that Marciano himself used the name `Rocky Mac`in his early pro fights and switched back and forth from pro to amateur...
IMO Marciano never fought his brother in pro fights, yet i do believe like the book says that he fought him in exhibitions and amateur fights.. But Holmes did call into question Rockys 49-0 pro record
He may have insinuated it, but he didn't say it.. It was an angry, off the cuff remark that he gave to reporters who were goading him after the Spinks fight..
And true, he did say, 'Maybe i've gotta big mouth,' to the press, but i think you'll find the personal apology given to Marciano's daughter, was a lot more sincere.

With regard to going back and forth, a fragile argument could me made for 48-0, because he KO'd Lee Epperson on his pro debut, but then went back to the amateurs for an unsuccessful attempt at the Golden Gloves..

He may have insinuated it, but he didn't say it.. It was an angry, off the cuff remark that he gave to reporters who were goading him after the Spinks fight..
And true, he did say, 'Maybe i've gotta big mouth,' to the press, but i think you'll find the personal apology given to Marciano's daughter, was a lot more sincere.

With regard to going back and forth, a fragile argument could me made for 48-0, because he KO'd Lee Epperson on his pro debut, but then went back to the amateurs for an unsuccessful attempt at the Golden Gloves..

yes true enough