I know this has been talked about before but with James Toney suspended and not allowed to fight for the WBA belt for three years to me it seems like a good time to bring this up. Lets say Tyson wins a couple of easy fights and Ruiz continues to beat non middleweight for a couple of fights, Does Tyson-Ruiz have a shot of happening? And Who wins and why?

I know this has been talked about before but with James Toney suspended and not allowed to fight for the WBA belt for three years to me it seems like a good time to bring this up. Lets say Tyson wins a couple of easy fights and Ruiz continues to beat non middleweight for a couple of fights, Does Tyson-Ruiz have a shot of happening? And Who wins and why?
if tyson is mentally capable and if toney does not use steroids again, mike should beat him squarely...

yea, tyson should bite his ear and rape him in the hotelroom afterwards.

then get the **** kicked out of himself by danny green! :D

I think this fight only has two real possibilities, Ruiz clinching Tyson to death or Tyson by early knockout.

I know this has been talked about before but with James Toney suspended and not allowed to fight for the WBA belt for three years to me it seems like a good time to bring this up. Lets say Tyson wins a couple of easy fights and Ruiz continues to beat non middleweight for a couple of fights, Does Tyson-Ruiz have a shot of happening? And Who wins and why?

I think that this fight has a good chance of happening for the following reason:

Ruiz has underearned as a heavyweight champion and as result would like to cash in on a big pay-day against Tyson even if he(tyson)is not the most deserving to earn a shot at title.I read somewhere that Ruiz had only earned about 10 million$ as a professional boxer and I'm sure you guys know that isn't alot of money after trainor fees,promoters,lawyers get done with you. So Ruiz would benefit financially if he gave Tyson a shot because all the Ruiz haters(and there's alot) would buy the ppv just to see him get knocked out and all Tyson's fans would buy it too because they want to see him champ again.

As for the result, I think that Ruiz would tie him up alot and wrestle his way to a UD. Mike would suffer his first decision loss.

I think that this fight has a good chance of happening for the following reason:

Ruiz has underearned as a heavyweight champion and as result would like to cash in on a big pay-day against Tyson even if he(tyson)is not the most deserving to earn a shot at title.I read somewhere that Ruiz had only earned about 10 million$ as a professional boxer and I'm sure you guys know that isn't alot of money after trainor fees,promoters,lawyers get done with you. So Ruiz would benefit financially if he gave Tyson a shot because all the Ruiz haters(and there's alot) would buy the ppv just to see him get knocked out and all Tyson's fans would buy it too because they want to see him champ again.

As for the result, I think that Ruiz would tie him up alot and wrestle his way to a UD. Mike would suffer his first decision loss.

Good analysis, but I just wonder of Ruiz could take Tyson blows. I mean last Ruiz fought a Tyson like fighter(Tua) he was knocked out quickly.

damn, i misread this... i thought you were talking about tyson-toney... my bad... same thoughts here bro, ruiz clinching tyson to death... or tyson by chance knockout... tyson should make a lot of wild swings inthis one... and if gets frustrated, he will really bite ruiz's ear off, lol... if tyson can't stand the head of evander fighting him like a third hand, i think he will laso lose his cool on ruiz' clinching...

Hahha, I agree Ruiz could possibly lose his ear in the fight.

Yeh, hopefully we would see the "old Tyson" Fenech speaks about and Tyson would take care of business early but we all know that John Ruiz has the ability to always retain his title whether it be through an ugly win(or loss or NC ;)).Lets hope if this bout happens, Ruiz's luck has run out!

i hate ruiz, but at this point in tyson's career i'd have to pick ruiz... ruiz has been busy, fought some good fighters(rj/toney) and beaten a few decent ones(rahman)... while tyson has been inactive, fought nobodies, and lost to williams...

The only way Tyson can win is by a KO by 3nd round, which will not happen.. Ruiz will just keep hugging.
As Tyson no longer has that stamina, he will run out of gas and will be (it hurts me saying this) out boxed by Ruiz

Ruiz getting a UD over Tyson. (Might even drop him by 9th round)

But in reality this fight will NEVER happen! You're forgetting that Promoters make the fights and not Fighters.
Tyson will always be Tyson.. and has a big puncher's chance of knocking out just about anyone who does not have a concrete chin.
As Tua once exposed that chin in Ruiz, Don King would never go for this bout.

Why risk a belt that Tyson will later loose to the likes of Danny Williams?

Hell no.

As big an embarrassment as John Ruiz has been to boxing, Tyson is ten times worse, for fans, promoters, and himself. Tyson is a one-round fighter now, and since I'm fairly confident that Ruiz can take the one or two decent punches that Tyson can throw anymore, I say Ruiz would clobber him around round six.

And as much as it sickens me to say it, I'd be rooting for Ruiz.

You tyson haters are idiots. Mike Tyson is one of the only reasons boxing is even as popular as it is. I hate to imagine the state of boxing if Tyson would've retired 10 years ago. Nobody would've given a **** about Evander Holyfield or Lewis. DLH wouldn't have been as famous because Boxing ratings in general would be down without Tyson.

Tyson kept the sport alive, kept it from falling off TV. Let's hope we can get someone else to really spark the public interest. Toney is a possibility if they'd leave him alone with this bull**** on steroids, which is clearly not Toney's fault anyhow. Just the white conspiracy I believe.

Oh, Tyson ****ing kills Ruiz, Round 1, guaranteed. As soon as Ruiz hugs Tyson and Mike feels Ruiz get hard, get the casket ready...

Could tyson beat Ruiz? - Yes

You tyson haters are idiots. Mike Tyson is one of the only reasons boxing is even as popular as it is. I hate to imagine the state of boxing if Tyson would've retired 10 years ago. Nobody would've given a **** about Evander Holyfield or Lewis. DLH wouldn't have been as famous because Boxing ratings in general would be down without Tyson.

Tyson kept the sport alive, kept it from falling off TV. Let's hope we can get someone else to really spark the public interest. Toney is a possibility if they'd leave him alone with this bull**** on steroids, which is clearly not Toney's fault anyhow. Just the white conspiracy I believe.

Agree 100%. Tyson haters are so ****ing idiots to say that he is a big embarrassment to the sport. Tyson, love him or hate him, is still mike Tyson, probably the most recognized boxer in the history of boxing.

Im sorry but I just dont see Ruiz beating Tyson. I think he would be scared, he looked intiminated by Toney at the press. Tyson would have him atleast nervous, so he will try to clinch Tyson to death and, Tyson is a huge boby puncher, I think he would hurt Ruiz early as in the 1st RD, then probally KOing him by the 3rd. Ruiz doesnt have the power to KO Tyson IMO. He couldnt even hurt Roy. 199 pound Middle wieght. I cant wait for this fight I think it will happen because Tyson is ranked #8 by the WBA i believe and I kno if he wins a few fights he will be like #2 just because hes Tyson. Forcing Ruiz to either vacate the title or fight Tyson eventually. But since the only Title holder that aint scared to give Mike a shot is Vitali this fight will probally happen 1st. But any way Tyson KO's Ruiz in 3. AND NEW WBA CHAMPION, IRON MIKE TYSON!!! :boxing:

Oh yeah RJJ almost KOed Ruiz in the 4th with a huge right hand. If Tyson lands a clean power shot is night night for Johnny Ruiz and his career.

I know this has been talked about before but with James Toney suspended and not allowed to fight for the WBA belt for three years to me it seems like a good time to bring this up. Lets say Tyson wins a couple of easy fights and Ruiz continues to beat non middleweight for a couple of fights, Does Tyson-Ruiz have a shot of happening? And Who wins and why?

Yes. Tyson. He's better.

I know this has been talked about before but with James Toney suspended and not allowed to fight for the WBA belt for three years to me it seems like a good time to bring this up. Lets say Tyson wins a couple of easy fights and Ruiz continues to beat non middleweight for a couple of fights, Does Tyson-Ruiz have a shot of happening? And Who wins and why?


Yes he could beat him.

Ruiz will embarrass Tyson and end his career for good by a 12 round decision.

Tyson has beat nobody of any significance since 1996. Since then he has been a wasted empty shell of his former self and completely incapable of holding his head together beyond 3 rounds. He has no heart and no will to win. As soon as he finds he cannot KO a fighter in the first couple rounds he becomes frustrated and either quits or gets DQ'd for something outrageous like biting an ear off.

Tyson got knocked down by a journeyman and quit. He could never beat his nemesis Holyfield. Ruiz beat Holy once, fought a draw once, and is only the second fighter to EVER knock down Holy. Ruiz has fought and beat far better fighters than Tyson over the last 9 years.

In 1996 Ruiz was KO'd by one punch and picked up the pieces to become world champ twice. Tyson's career has gone into the garbage can since 1996 with a number of humiliating losses.

Ruiz will destroy Tyson and I would welcome this fight.

Tyson is still a huge boxing draw. If he beats one or two B-grade fighters, he'll suddenly get another title shot. Why? Any pay-per-view show, featuring Tyson going for a title shot, deserved or not, would generate a huge amount of dollars. Some people think this fight is an impossibility, but really, it's not. If Tyson had beat Williams, he would have been fighting Vitali next. If Tyson beats one or two guys, guaranteed he can get a shot with a heavyweight contender.

Could Tyson beat Ruiz? Well, anything is possible. I haven't watched enough of Ruiz to really make a decision. It's not completely impossible that Tyson could make a comeback at nearly forty, but it is highly unlikely.

Ruiz will embarrass Tyson and end his career for good by a 12 round decision.

Tyson has beat nobody of any significance since 1996. Since then he has been a wasted empty shell of his former self and completely incapable of holding his head together beyond 3 rounds. He has no heart and no will to win. As soon as he finds he cannot KO a fighter in the first couple rounds he becomes frustrated and either quits or gets DQ'd for something outrageous like biting an ear off.

Tyson got knocked down by a journeyman and quit. He could never beat his nemesis Holyfield. Ruiz beat Holy once, fought a draw once, and is only the second fighter to EVER knock down Holy. Ruiz has fought and beat far better fighters than Tyson over the last 9 years.

In 1996 Ruiz was KO'd by one punch and picked up the pieces to become world champ twice. Tyson's career has gone into the garbage can since 1996 with a number of humiliating losses.

Ruiz will destroy Tyson and I would welcome this fight.


How many times has Tyson been DQed? why do people make it seem like he gets DQed all the time. Also Tyson fought Holyfield long b4 Ruiz did. The Holyfield Tyson fought woulda murderd Ruiz. Ruiz fought Oldyfield. Ruiz will never beat Tyson, he cant even beat middlewieghts, now thats some sad ****, look what Tyson did when someone tried he come up to heavywieght and take his title, he knocked Spinks the F*&% out in 1RD. Ruiz is a bum and will never be a all time great like Tyson is. This fight will happen and I cant wait, I will bet anything that Tysons KO's ur boy with in 5. Ruiz is a paper champ anyway, he lost to Roy so Roy left and he got it back he lost to Toney, now he gets it handed back. He never won it back fair and squar the 1st time from Roy, plus he got a gift decision over golota. Ruiz is a straight up looser.

How many times has Tyson been DQed? why do people make it seem like he gets DQed all the time. Also Tyson fought Holyfield long b4 Ruiz did. The Holyfield Tyson fought woulda murderd Ruiz. Ruiz fought Oldyfield. Ruiz will never beat Tyson, he cant even beat middlewieghts, now thats some sad ****, look what Tyson did when someone tried he come up to heavywieght and take his title, he knocked Spinks the F*&% out in 1RD. Ruiz is a bum and will never be a all time great like Tyson is. This fight will happen and I cant wait, I will bet anything that Tysons KO's ur boy with in 5. Ruiz is a paper champ anyway, he lost to Roy so Roy left and he got it back he lost to Toney, now he gets it handed back. He never won it back fair and squar the 1st time from Roy, plus he got a gift decision over golota. Ruiz is a straight up looser.

Ha! Yeah right. Excuses excuses is all I hear from the nutriders of Tyson. Read that Tyson article on why he's shot ever since his rapist ass was freed from the pen. Botha copied Holyfield's formula: CLINCHING to beat Tyson, and no one is a better clinch fighter than Ruiz. ****ing nobody. Ruiz would give Tyson a raping he hasn't felt since prison.

Ha! Yeah right. Excuses excuses is all I hear from the nutriders of Tyson. Read that Tyson article on why he's shot ever since his rapist ass was freed from the pen. Botha copied Holyfield's formula: CLINCHING to beat Tyson, and no one is a better clinch fighter than Ruiz. ****ing nobody. Ruiz would give Tyson a raping he hasn't felt since prison.

Soo what would Ruiz be without clinching? NOTHING, Thats the difference between Ruiz and Holyfield, Whenever Holyfield wasnt clinched with Tyson he could fight, Ruiz cant fight. What happened to Ruiz when he wasnt able to clinch, Roy Jones as you would say RAPED Ruiz beating him almost every round almost KOing him in the 4th. Ruiz cant handle someone woth the punching power of Tysons, Example: 1996= Tua KO's Ruiz in 19 seconds, LMAO!!! Ruiz cant KO Tyson with one punch but Tyson could easily catch Ruiz slippin and it would be night night Ruiz. Oh yeah Tyson was comin off a 2 year layoff when he fought Botha, he still won so oh well.

Soo what would Ruiz be without clinching? NOTHING, Thats the difference between Ruiz and Holyfield, Whenever Holyfield wasnt clinched with Tyson he could fight, Ruiz cant fight. What happened to Ruiz when he wasnt able to clinch, Roy Jones as you would say RAPED Ruiz beating him almost every round almost KOing him in the 4th. Ruiz cant handle someone woth the punching power of Tysons, Example: 1996= Tua KO's Ruiz in 19 seconds, LMAO!!! Ruiz cant KO Tyson with one punch but Tyson could easily catch Ruiz slippin and it would be night night Ruiz. Oh yeah Tyson was comin off a 2 year layoff when he fought Botha, he still won so oh well.

Yawn.

Ruiz became 2 time world champ since 1996. Tyson gone nowhere but down since 1996 because he's a shot rapist. He can beat women, but not fighters.

Roy almost KO Ruiz? Bwahaha! That's why it went to decision right? Then Roy vacates the belt and gives it back to Ruiz because he's chicken****. Now I know why, he went to get beat by two lousy fighters and retire.

Ruiz beat Rahman, Holy, Oquendo, Johnson, and Tucker. Ruiz the champ!

Yawn.

Ruiz became 2 time world champ since 1996. Tyson gone nowhere but down since 1996 because he's a shot rapist. He can beat women, but not fighters.

Roy almost KO Ruiz? Bwahaha! That's why it went to decision right? Then Roy vacates the belt and gives it back to Ruiz because he's chicken****. Now I know why, he went to get beat by two lousy fighters and retire.

Ruiz beat Rahman, Holy, Oquendo, Johnson, and Tucker. Ruiz the champ!
He beat a OLD Holyfield who still beat Ruiz once, Oquendo who cares, Johnson who cares, Tucker, Tyson beat him to, many years before when he was 35-0. Ruiz beat him 11 years later WOW.If Ruiz gets credit for Holyfield win then why doesnt Tyson get credit for Holmes KO. Tysons beat better Compition than Ruiz. Tyson made Golota quit, Ruiz lost and got a gift decision.Just face it Ruiz will lose to Tyson if they fight, you keep bringing up rapist and stuff, whp cares that was 1990, and he was probally innocent. The fact is Ruiz would **** his self if he was in the other corner from Tyson, he looked intiminated at the Toney press conference, Tyson would destroy Ruiz's career. Maybe even in 19 seconds.LMAO

ok since 1996, Ruiz has had 21 fights and Tyson has had 13. Ruiz is 16-3-1 since 96. And Tyson is 8-4-1. Ur right Tyson hasnt done so well since 96 compared to the rest of his career, but he has lost to 2 legends in holyfield and lewis. Danny Williams got a cheap win. Ruiz was KOed in 19 secs and schooled by 2 middle wieghts. Tyson had 2 no contests but he really beat Golota that night. I dont see where Ruiz has done so much better than Tyson since 1996 besides winning a title. But Tyson said it his self he dont care bout no titles.

Tyson needs to prove he can beat a journeyman before he earns a shot at a true champ like Ruiz. Rematch with Danny? Danny would kick Tyson's ass again!

Tyson needs to prove he can beat a journeyman before he earns a shot at a true champ like Ruiz. Rematch with Danny? Danny would kick Tyson's ass again!


I agree that he has to prove himself but he looked good in his last match b4 the injury so he will be back and get a shot.Danny Williams is nothing but he would probally beat Ruiz 2.

Tyson don't deserve any more shots. He's shot and should be put to pasture for losing to journeymen, fighting nobodies, and generally being a lunatic.

who were them people Ruiz lost to??????? Journey men Ive never herd of, IM talking about his 1st 2 losses. Tysons lost to Williams, we all kno why he lost but people just hate Tyson and trash him. Ruiz shoulda been banned from boxing for getting KOed in 19 seconds, I wonder if thats the fastest KO ever in the Division.Ruiz better watch out, Jermain Taylor might be a heavywieght someday.LOL

who were them people Ruiz lost to??????? Journey men Ive never herd of, IM talking about his 1st 2 losses. Tysons lost to Williams, we all kno why he lost but people just hate Tyson and trash him. Ruiz shoulda been banned from boxing for getting KOed in 19 seconds, I wonder if thats the fastest KO ever in the Division.Ruiz better watch out, Jermain Taylor might be a heavywieght someday.LOL

Nope. See it's very simple:

Tyson comeback: Gets KO'd by a journeyman.
Ruiz comeback after Tua KO: Becomes 2 time world champ.

Winner: RUIZ

Nope. See it's very simple:

Tyson comeback: Gets KO'd by a journeyman.
Ruiz comeback after Tua KO: Becomes 2 time world champ.

Winner: RUIZ

Girl u need some help very bad. Tsk tsk.

Tyson would hurt Ruiz early and that would be all over.Toney should how to beat Ruiz go to the body, and Tyson hits a hell of alot harder than Toney does.

Tyson would hurt Ruiz early and that would be all over.Toney should how to beat Ruiz go to the body, and Tyson hits a hell of alot harder than Toney does.
Damn straight, Tyson would tear Ruiz's belly up. Ruiz cant hurt Tyson with punches, only clinches, thats sad

Tyson is a two round feeble minded chump who would get owned by Ruiz. Let Tyson try beating a journeyman before he even thinks about stepping up to a real champ.

Tyson is a two round feeble minded chump who would get owned by Ruiz. Let Tyson try beating a journeyman before he even thinks about stepping up to a real champ.

lol Ruiz isnt even the real champ, he lost to Toney.LOL

Tyson is a shot three round fighter at best at this point in his career. I hate John Ruiz more than anyone, but Tyson can't fight anymore in my opinion.

Ruiz would hug and mug. Tyson would get very frustrated with him. Ruiz wouldn't last 90 seconds with the old Tyson. But this pathetic version would lose to Ruiz IMO.

Ruiz on his best day could never beat Tyson on his worst day. Calling Ruiz a champ is a disgrace to boxing. Champions fight, not hide behind the guise of clinches and kisses and molesting opponents in the ring.

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Thats impressive bad intentions, good job.

<------------------------ if he fight ruiz.

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Thats impressive bad intentions, good job.


Thanks I had to make that for the pretender.

Tyson would beat Ruiz as an old man or not. Ruiz is a fraud who got the hell beat out of him by 2 middleweights.

Ruiz on his best day could never beat Tyson on his worst day. Calling Ruiz a champ is a disgrace to boxing. Champions fight, not hide behind the guise of clinches and kisses and molesting opponents in the ring.

You don't know much about boxing then. Because that would then count out Lewis for a jabbing whore and Hopkins for running around the ring.

Great champs like Ruiz and Holyfield use clinching tactically, just like every fighter clinches. But Ruiz the best at it.

You don't know much about boxing then. Because that would then count out Lewis for a jabbing whore and Hopkins for running around the ring.

Great champs like Ruiz and Holyfield use clinching tactically, just like every fighter clinches. But Ruiz the best at it.

But HOLYFIELD can fight, Ruiz cant

You don't know much about boxing then. Because that would then count out Lewis for a jabbing whore and Hopkins for running around the ring.

Great champs like Ruiz and Holyfield use clinching tactically, just like every fighter clinches. But Ruiz the best at it.

It's a bigger disgrace to classify Ruiz with Hopkins and Holyfield. These people clinch when absolutely necessary, not as a primary stragegy. Hopkins comes to fight, but he is more a tactician, not a clincher. Holyfield clinches when absolutely necessary too. Lewis is a jabbing whore, but he can dish out punishment at just the right time.

Ruiz employs clinching as a primary strategy, and punching last. Probably 99% of his fight ends in clinches. He comes not to fight, but rather not to lose. Everytime, he degrades himself to a lot of fans.

Ruiz is the laziest bogus champion in the world.

Holyfield used clinching as his primary strategy to beat Tyson twice. Ruiz perfected this strategy. What's pathetic are the opponents who can't beat Ruiz and let Ruiz dictate the fight on his terms. Ruiz smarter than all the other fighters.

i think tyson would come out of ruiz holding with uppercuts...or even uppercut him while being held,and as we knw ruiz has never had a really hard body,so he will be KO'ed.
I dont think ruiz would be that hard for tyson,we all know tyson is the old 88tyson for atleast the first 3rounds...and ruiz wont handle it well.

Tyson the old 88 tyson for first 3 rounds? Are you kidding me? He's a slow turd at the opening bell!

Tyson the old 88 tyson for first 3 rounds? Are you kidding me? He's a slow turd at the opening bell!

Tyson is a fast starter thats probally why he has like 20 1st RD KOs. He has almost as many 1RD KOs as Ruiz has KOs all 2gether.LOL :boxing:

Tyson is still vary fast for a heavy. Ruiz will be broken down.

agreed even at 39 Tyson still has the speed advantage over 90% of the Division. ONly Title holder with faster hand speed is probally Byrd and that I am not even sure of

The question should be could Tyson possibly not beat Ruiz. A ninety year old Tyson would stop John Ruiz.

:biggthump If Tyson can get on target, he'll knock Ruiz's lights out. But, then ...... he'll have to take a drug test !!! :banghead:

Tyson certainly is not on steroids or anything. It is funny that a fighter is discredited for being on a drug, but if he's on a drug and it hampers his performance, nothing is said. Like when Tyson fought Lewis and was doped up on Zoloft.

Tyson is too fast for Ruiz. Easy KO. But the clinching would be boo'ed like crazy as Ruiz would hope for a UD. Ruiz would shake like a wet kitten before getting out of his dressing room.

both are bums

the fight would be stopped due to bumness

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Tyson by a KO in the 2nd or 3rd.

Tyson wouldn't last 3 rounds with Ruiz. He'd become frustrated and quit like when he pussed out against a journeyman. Tyson doesn't deserve to fight a grandmother after losing to Danny!