Did Americans really walk on the moon, or was the Apollo mission a complete hoax in order to fool the USSR out of winning the space race. I believe it was indeed a fake, and have solid evidence to prove my theory.

http://www.spacemartgifts.com/Last_Moon_Walk_Apollo17_1024x768.jpg

In the above picture, is shown the "Moon Walk" of Neil Armstrong. In the picture, note that the american flag is waving. This is odd to me, since there is no wind on the moon.

Also, why aren't there any stars in the background, it is space isn't it, and the moon shouldve been surrounded by at least one star no, also, the backdrop looks kind of "movieish" doesn't it?

You can also see many footprints next to the craft they landed in. With the force of the craft landing, wouldn't it have blown the dust away from all around it, and not permit there to be footprints?

Another thing is, when the craft landed, there was no crater underneath it. With all the gases coming out of the bottom, it would have surely made a large crater, even in NASA's animations they always included a crater.

Take a look at this picture
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/a17_m_2291.gif

It is supposed to be an aerial photo of the "moon"

Now look at this picture
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~dhershkowitz/pic270-m.jpg
Strangely enough, that's an aerial view of a desert.
What does this prove? That the moon landing was very, very easy to fake. Some believe, since there are many film like studios at the infamous area 51, that they filmed it here, using the ground as the moon, and also resulting in the footprints

I don't have a video clip of the actual landing, or the actual leaving, but if you ever do watch the clips, consider this. When we are landing, you can clearly hear Neil Armstrong speaking. With the sound of the engine, why wouldn't it be louder and why could his voice be heard so well?

Also, when taking off from the moon, the craft didn't jerk or anything, it just went straight up perfectly, almost like it was on a wire of some sort, which would make perfect sense if it was filmed.


This is just my opinion, believe what you'd like, once again, I wrote everything here. Please write your opinion of what happened in 1990, and if we did indeed land on the moon.

I'm not sure about whether or not it was a hoax, but I've heard explanation as for why the flag is flapping.

Thing is have a closer look at it and you'll notice that there's a horiztonal bar running through the top of the flag, which is way it's not just hanging there. As for why it looks like it's flapping like a flag on Earth, the thing is that it was probably jostled around as it was tied to the flagpole, and since you're in outer space this movement will not be hindered by gravity or air pressure. What I mean is, you know how if you push something in space it will just keep on going forever? It's the same sort of thing, except that since the flag is tied to the flagpole its moves back and forth.

Anyone ever see that Moon landing conspiacy movie that starred OJ Simpson? Apparently there were flat-Earth societies that supported him during his trial because they thought he was a hero for making this film. Hilarious.

I'm not sure about whether or not it was a hoax, but I've heard explanation as for why the flag is flapping.

Thing is have a closer look at it and you'll notice that there's a horiztonal bar running through the top of the flag, which is way it's not just hanging there. As for why it looks like it's flapping like a flag on Earth, the thing is that it was probably jostled around as it was tied to the flagpole, and since you're in outer space this movement will not be hindered by gravity or air pressure. What I mean is, you know how if you push something in space it will just keep on going forever? It's the same sort of thing, except that since the flag is tied to the flagpole its moves back and forth.

Anyone ever see that Moon landing conspiacy movie that starred OJ Simpson? Apparently there were flat-Earth societies that supported him during his trial because they thought he was a hero for making this film. Hilarious.
Good explanation, But I've heard otherwise. I am currently watching a movie on this in my health class, and at one part the flag actually begins to go into a full wave and wraps around the pole, i'll try to get a picture.

Good explanation, But I've heard otherwise. I am currently watching a movie on this in my health class, and at one part the flag actually begins to go into a full wave and wraps around the pole, i'll try to get a picture.

The thing that always stopped me from beleiving that this was a hoax was, why did they plant a flag in the first place? Because the thing is then that the first country that actually made it to the moon would notice, hey, no flag! And then the hoax would be exposed.

Maybe they thought that they needed that extra bit of theatric to really stick it to the Soviets. You know, here's our flag, the Moon is ours, *******s! That sort of thing. Maybe they figured that by the time it came out it wouldn't have mattered, or they could make some excuse about why it wasn't there anymore.

Did you know that Neil Armstong's famous line was entirely scripted? Not only that, he got it wrong! Not sure what he was supposed to say, but you can probably find it on-line somewhere.

....Dude, we landed on the moon. All of that stuff your talking about has been refuted by Nasa. It's like the Elvis is alive stuff. BTW, they made a movie about it all being a fake and O.J. was in the movie. Does anybody remember the name of it or did anyone even see it?

The movie with O.J. in it was called Capricorn One. Don't know much about it, but here's the imdb link:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294/

Looks like they fake a Mars landing, not a Moon landing. Funny, I heard it was the Moon as well.

Did Americans really walk on the moon, or was the Apollo mission a complete hoax in order to fool the USSR out of winning the space race. I believe it was indeed a fake, and have solid evidence to prove my theory.

http://www.spacemartgifts.com/Last_Moon_Walk_Apollo17_1024x768.jpg

In the above picture, is shown the "Moon Walk" of Neil Armstrong. In the picture, note that the american flag is waving. This is odd to me, since there is no wind on the moon.

Also, why aren't there any stars in the background, it is space isn't it, and the moon shouldve been surrounded by at least one star no, also, the backdrop looks kind of "movieish" doesn't it?

You can also see many footprints next to the craft they landed in. With the force of the craft landing, wouldn't it have blown the dust away from all around it, and not permit there to be footprints?

Another thing is, when the craft landed, there was no crater underneath it. With all the gases coming out of the bottom, it would have surely made a large crater, even in NASA's animations they always included a crater.

Take a look at this picture
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/a17_m_2291.gif

It is supposed to be an aerial photo of the "moon"

Now look at this picture
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~dhershkowitz/pic270-m.jpg
Strangely enough, that's an aerial view of a desert.
What does this prove? That the moon landing was very, very easy to fake. Some believe, since there are many film like studios at the infamous area 51, that they filmed it here, using the ground as the moon, and also resulting in the footprints

I don't have a video clip of the actual landing, or the actual leaving, but if you ever do watch the clips, consider this. When we are landing, you can clearly hear Neil Armstrong speaking. With the sound of the engine, why wouldn't it be louder and why could his voice be heard so well?

Also, when taking off from the moon, the craft didn't jerk or anything, it just went straight up perfectly, almost like it was on a wire of some sort, which would make perfect sense if it was filmed.


This is just my opinion, believe what you'd like, once again, I wrote everything here. Please write your opinion of what happened in 1990, and if we did indeed land on the moon.
ok, i let your opinion clearly-you have a point....in outer space no air, how they can wave that flag without a air sourounded in space. maybe true maybe not....is it a film created by man or its an imagination creating to prove they are the greatest.... :confused:

I think there is no question if gthey landed on the moon. They have information from the landing that is helping other study such as the delema of moon dust getting into all the gear etc. It was a big problems. Moon dust is very fine and sharp.

I don't doubt the possibilty that they might of faked it at first just to beat the Soviets, but they landed none the less. America is the masters of deceit.

The reason there are no stars, is because they had to light up the landing site. Stand under a street-lamp and try to see the stars.....you cant.

There is no air, but there are solar winds. The flag flapping could very easily be caused by that.

If you land a helicoptor in the desert, it's going to blow a large amount of sand away, right? But there's still going to be sand there after it's shut down, right? You can still make footprints in that sand, can't you?

Here's an aerial shot of a military base, that is in a desert.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/cpgw_153ta.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/cpgw_153ta.jpg

In case that didn't work.

Here's another: http://foley.ultinet.net/~gerry/aerial/P4080023.jpg
another: http://www.rocketryphotography.com/images/big/AerialNike2000-01.jpg
another: http://www.geog.okstate.edu/1113web/images/photo%2029.jpg

My point? There are dozens of other aerial shots of a desert that look much similar to the moon photo than the one you've shown of the desert. Not to mention how outdated the technology used for that moon shot was.

I have been sceptical of the whole landing on the moon thing for a while...

if neil armsrtong was the first man on the moon who was filming that ****? i think the moon landing was a hoax during the cold war. too many odd things that happened for me to believe that that crew was on the moon.

if neil armsrtong was the first man on the moon who was filming that ****? i think the moon landing was a hoax during the cold war. too many odd things that happened for me to believe that that crew was on the moon.

Uhh, how about Buzz Aldren? Or, they set up a camera to do a shot. The "first" steps, if anything exists of the literal "first" steps, probably weren't actually the first. Seriously, that was the dumbest question I've ever read.

Uhh, how about Buzz Aldren? Or, they set up a camera to do a shot. The "first" steps, if anything exists of the literal "first" steps, probably weren't actually the first. Seriously, that was the dumbest question I've ever read.
than doesnt that prove to you that the whole moon landing is based on a lie. niel armstrong couldnt have been the first man on the moon cause the guy filming that had to have been.

than doesnt that prove to you that the whole moon landing is based on a lie. niel armstrong couldnt have been the first man on the moon cause the guy filming that had to have been.

I think they put a robot camera out there or something. Whether or not you believe the moon landing was true, I think there was technology where they could drive a little camera out there, or whatever, and take the shot.

No, Neil steps out, and there is no actual film of it, making him the first. They then set up a tripod, and he walks out again. Or, Buzz holds the camera for him, and he makes the trip again. As I said, the literal first steps probably weren't recorded. Also, they could have one of those rover things take the shot, too. You know, set a camera up on it, have a video feed to the ****pit, set it up where he'll be coming out, and there you go.

Bombardier beat me to the rover idea. I hadn't thought of that before, but it's probably what they used. Considering they had sent machines up before, and taken pictures with them (I think).

How many times have we been on the moon since then?

How many times have we been on the moon since then?

I think around 5, with mission number 3 (Apollo 13) famously ending in failure.

This site is sort of interesting. It's done by some amateur but it's more impressive than most conspiracy-theory sites:

http://batesmotel.8m.com/

I still don't know about this issue. Interesting to talk about, anyway.

I think around 5, with mission number 3 (Apollo 13) famously ending in failure.

This site is sort of interesting. It's done by some amateur but it's more impressive than most conspiracy-theory sites:

http://batesmotel.8m.com/

I still don't know about this issue. Interesting to talk about, anyway.
i checked out that site, some **** is interesting.... i dont think they were on the moon

i checked out that site, some **** is interesting.... i dont think they were on the moon

I didn't agree with every point he made, but some stuff was very valid: the irregular shadows, the strange things in the sky, and the overlapped crosshairs come to mind.

The movie with O.J. in it was called Capricorn One. Don't know much about it, but here's the imdb link:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294/

Looks like they fake a Mars landing, not a Moon landing. Funny, I heard it was the Moon as well.


.....Yeah, I thought I remembered it being the moon for sure. Oh well, old age can do that to you.

Hmm how could the flag wrap around the pole with the horizontal bar in the flag.

Also since there is 6 times less gravity in the Moon wouldnt the lander need considerable less thrust to safely land on the moon? Explaining why there really isnt that much of an impact on the surface. Also i see the moon buggy there so how far are they from the lander.

I looked at that site and he brought up some valid points but also disproved some of the stuff he wrote. First off, he said that IN NO picture on the moon are stars visible, a sign it is fake. The picture almost directly above that quote features stars, so his quote kind've confused me. He also stated that if a spaceship tried to pass through some kind of barrier, astronauts would die from radiation and the ship would explode. We all know this is bull**** because space programs from all over the world have sent astronauts and spaceshuttles into space, to places much mroe further than the moon. In another picture, he showed a rock with the letter C carved into it. He tried to say it was a gag by the movie studio, yet he failed to mention that an astronaut named Conrad was also on the moon. Maybe I'm being being naive, but maybe Conrad carved his name into the rock?

He did provide some good reasons why the U.S. might have faked the landing: Cold War, Vietnam, tons of money. But evidence that we landed and have the ability to land far outweighs any evidence that we didn't, so I still have to believe that we did for now until something credible comes up.

nice post. 1 thing u didnt mention atwa is:
- u c the crosshairs on the photo, on some of the photos from the moon one "arm" of the crosshair was behind a flag or behind a picture of the spacecraft, or something like that. This would suggest that the spacecraft was simply copy pasted ontop of the photo. Have a look at them (the crosshairs) next time u look at a photo from that space mission.

Im in 2 minds about whether it was a hoax or not.

oh yeah another thing u didnt mention was that some of the lighting is ****ed on the photos like they have been docteured or staged. Like u would c the light on one side of the astronauts suit. But then there would be a shadow facing the other way. This is impossible if u understand what i mean.

like having 2 light sources making 1 side of the suit light. then a shadow appears on that same side of the suit. Possibly a film style light set done this?

i came onto to this thread thinking - 'we (im not american but i;ll say we as a human) landed on the moon, no doubt about it' - now i'm leaving the same thread thinking the same .

people are always going to conspire. People who say look at these shadows and look at this and oh ah that aswell, they put 2 and 2 together and get 22. Meaning there SELECTING their agruments. i dont know who came up with the idea first but i'm sure they made alot of money out of it. they probably made a book and appeared loads of times on tv. so i ask you this. if u were a writer woudlnt you look up old pictures/videos, come up with something that sounds reasonable and that could be considered true. Again i;m no expert but i know for a fact America didnt want to lose the cold war, or the space race, to the soviet. Given that they wouldnt have allowed some artist leave C on a rock, they'd probably threaten his/her life.

i just think it would have been awfully hard to hide it and keep it hidden for so long.

we did land on the moon. simple as.
conspiracy theories really annoy me because evry one is fundamentally wrong. if you understand science at all, then you would realise that all science they come up with to say that we didnt land on the moon, is flawed to amazing degrees.

its convincing when u c it bt if u rele think about it u realise the common sense.

i cant remember all of the examples but some simple arguments:

why do the cross hair arms appear behind some items?
because the cross hairs are white, as are the items they appear to be behind

why isnt there a crater?
because it just landed softly (lak of gravity so it didnt need upthrust to slow down crash) on many spread out legs so pressure of impact was low. the crater is in the nasa pics because the explosion would cause one when the craft took off again though.

flag waving?
lack of gravity means it will be floating like that

a rover would photograph first steps on the moon


these are off of the top of my head - if i remember any others i will post or if ive forgotten ask and ill c if i no

....Dude, we landed on the moon. All of that stuff your talking about has been refuted by Nasa. It's like the Elvis is alive stuff. BTW, they made a movie about it all being a fake and O.J. was in the movie. Does anybody remember the name of it or did anyone even see it?
I know you're a patriot like me, and I respect that, but our country isn't 100% pefect, and it's quite possible that it could've been faked to prevent further war with the soviets, whether it was the arms race or the space race....


Another thing I found today that goes to prove my theory is, when you take a picture, the crosshairs should be over what it's taking the picture of, In some pictures from the moon, you can see that something covers the crosshairs. If you don't know what I'm getting at, it's this, the pictures could have been edited and things could have been added in, I believe we got to the moon, but not on the Apollo mission like the government said. Why would the crosshairs be covered? I'll find a picture to prove my statement


Oh and Neil Armstrongs quote was supposed to be "This is One Small Step for a man, and it is one giant leap for mankind" he said it, just in a shortened version.

oh yeah another thing u didnt mention was that some of the lighting is ****ed on the photos like they have been docteured or staged. Like u would c the light on one side of the astronauts suit. But then there would be a shadow facing the other way. This is impossible if u understand what i mean.

like having 2 light sources making 1 side of the suit light. then a shadow appears on that same side of the suit. Possibly a film style light set done this?
oops sorry, I didn't read your post before my last one, But yeah we watched the video today and they mentioned it, strange.

How many times have we been on the moon since then?
around 5, I know only 12 men have ever walked on the moon, and all of them were American. Only Americans have walked on the moon. Many other countries have landed on the moon, but never stepped foot on it like we did.

if neil armsrtong was the first man on the moon who was filming that ****? i think the moon landing was a hoax during the cold war. too many odd things that happened for me to believe that that crew was on the moon.


He was the first to step foot on the moon. There was another man with him who did the filming.

Look, if you keep telling the truth about the moon landings, the pope will come after you too!!!!

We didn't land on the moon, if we did why havent we gone back? or started a space station on it. You would think it might make a good spot to mount a telescope on or something.

If you have any concept of physics, the questions posed are easily explained and it all makes sense to you.

This question is an attempt to either create a pointless controversy among people that don't understand, or the author of the post truly doesn't understand himself.

Truly, there is NO question.

no its not an attempt to make pointless controversy, its a question that u cant answer. if some1 gives me a solution to every question about that mission then i will believe its true. Just to pick up on boxstarr the crosshairs arent white so thats not a solution. they are black if u look in the photos.

If u dont ask questions, and are discouraged to do so then u end up in a hitler style dictatorship. not saying that will happen but thats the extreme.

The US has not returned to the moon? I thought they were going to start having commercial flights to the moon in the very near future. Commercial flights is misleading. Only the super rich would be able to afford the flights.

Why should NASA keep worrying about the moon? They've been there, time to move on. There is so much to explore, why stop at the moon? There is nothing there. I would like to see a space station eventually set up. Something that could be used as a refueling station for future expeditions. If we could keep building refueling stations, travelling outside our own galaxy could maybe happen.

Anyone who believes the moon landing was staged, falls in the same catagory of people who believe O.J. Simpson was innocent or pro-rassling is real. It's hard to believe that there are really that many gullible people out there. No wonder psychics like John Edwards can make millions duping so many.

no its not an attempt to make pointless controversy, its a question that u cant answer. if some1 gives me a solution to every question about that mission then i will believe its true. Just to pick up on boxstarr the crosshairs arent white so thats not a solution. they are black if u look in the photos.

If u dont ask questions, and are discouraged to do so then u end up in a hitler style dictatorship. not saying that will happen but thats the extreme.

Well I can answer many of the questions. The flag, the crater, the footprints and so on. However it's not my job to educate you, nor do I want to justify this thread by answering them.

Frankly, I can't believe these questions are really being asked to begin with when most of the answers are so obvious. To me, it's much more likely we went to the moon and you and some others just don't get it - than it was faked and you've all uncovered a conspiracy. "Ockham's Razor"

This conspiracy theory itself is the fraud to me. Unfortunately you seem to have fallen for it.

I don't think we ever made it to the moon. Do you see how much it takes to get a ship into outer space...How did they get off the moon? and why haven't we been back? Technology is much more advanced theses days than they were back then and we haven't been back yet...If we had been to the moon, then I believe it would have been colonized by now...

colonized? you must be joking. It has only been around 40 years since we first arrived on the moon. Why would anybody colonize the moon? There is nothing on the moon, no useful natural resources. Imagine how much water alone would have to be taken to the moon. And it isn't like we could just quickly send water to them if they needed it. And colonizing something on a different planet (yeah, moon isn't technically a planet, but you know what I mean) would be very hard. You can't just construct stuff the same. The infrastructure that would have to be created would take a considerable amount of time.

Doctors, police, etc would have to be put in. Jobs would have to be created, stores, vehicles, etc. Since the moon has no real resources, we'd have to drag all that stuff to the Moon from Earth. It'd be too dependent upon Earth resources for it to work very well.

As for how'd they get off the moon, umm...you obviously don't understand much about science, at least this particular type. There is a certain amount of energy it takes to get into space, but it is relative to the gravity of the planet. The moon has a very weak gravitational pull, much weaker than the Earth, so it wouldn't have taken a large amount of energy to have gotten off the moon. I don't remember a lot of the science myself anymore. But there is no question that we've been to the moon.

Why haven't we returned? Are you positive we haven't? And why would we need to return when there are other places, more interesting places to explore? I'm much more interested in travelling to Saturn or something. Eventually, another galaxy. One thing I don't know, which nobody KNOWS, is what happens when we exit this galaxy. What happens to the ship, can it handle the trip? Is there another Earth-like planet out there? If so, I'd like to go. What are the fighters on other planets like? Could they take our best fighters?

why do the cross hair arms appear behind some items?


i said this a long time ago and people are still disputing the fact that the crosshairs are not behind anything.

think logically - would NASA with the billions of dollars they have put so much time, money and effort into a con and make such a simple mistake? its not realistic. these are supposed to be your country's brightest people.

if you have seen the photos you will realis the basic fact thaqt the crosshairs arethe same colour as the items you believe to be covering them.

please - think before you post



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