each one of the fighters is regarded in his prime here.
all i want is your thought and preferably reason about whether the victory will be by decision or a stoppage (and i don't mean cuts)
each is also meant 12 rounds unless mentioned otherwise.
if you are uncertain/undecided / don't want to answer then just state which fights did you regard

i may edit it to add/remove some of the fights and predictions

very interesting (harder for me to predict) :
David Tua vs. Mike Tyson
David Tua vs. Oliver McCall
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Mike Tyson
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Oliver McCall (who stopped Lewis)
Chris Byrd vs. James Toney (who stopped Holyfield)
Chris Byrd vs. Roy Jones (who fought Ruiz)
Muhammad Qawi (Holyfield1) vs. James Toney (Jirov fight) (at 185 or 190)



less interesting (more intended to check your realism) :

Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko
Joe Louis vs. David Tua
Joe Louis vs. Chris Byrd
Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson
Muhammad Ali vs. Vitali Klitschko
Muhammad Ali vs. David Tua
Muhammad Ali vs. Chris Byrd
Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes vs. Vitali Klitschko
Larry Holmes vs. David Tua
Larry Holmes vs. Chris Byrd
Mike McCallum vs. Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson vs. Ray Leonard

my predictions :
David Tua : wins inside 12 over Joe Louis . (more realistically inside 6)
inside 12 against Holmes .
Mike Tyson : inside 12 against both Louis and Holmes.
Vitali Klitschko stops every saint below 6'5" , maybe the best would lose a decision to him.

each one of the fighters is regarded in his prime here.
all i want is your thought and preferably reason about whether the victory will be by decision or a stoppage (and i don't mean cuts)
each is also meant 12 rounds unless mentioned otherwise.
if you are uncertain/undecided / don't want to answer then just state which fights did you regard

i may edit it to add/remove some of the fights and predictions

very interesting (harder for me to predict) :
David Tua vs. Mike Tyson
David Tua vs. Oliver McCall
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Mike Tyson
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Oliver McCall (who stopped Lewis)
Chris Byrd vs. James Toney (who stopped Holyfield)
Chris Byrd vs. Roy Jones (who fought Ruiz)
Muhammad Qawi (Holyfield1) vs. James Toney (Jirov fight) (at 185 or 190)



less interesting (more intended to check your realism) :

Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko
Joe Louis vs. David Tua
Joe Louis vs. Chris Byrd
Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson
Muhammad Ali vs. Vitali Klitschko
Muhammad Ali vs. David Tua
Muhammad Ali vs. Chris Byrd
Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes vs. Vitali Klitschko
Larry Holmes vs. David Tua
Larry Holmes vs. Chris Byrd
Mike McCallum vs. Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson vs. Ray Leonard

my predictions :
David Tua : wins inside 12 over Joe Louis . (more realistically inside 6)
inside 12 against Holmes .
Mike Tyson : inside 12 against both Louis and Holmes.
Vitali Klitschko stops every saint below 6'5" , maybe the best would lose a decision to him.

David Tua vs. Mike Tyson -- Tyson KO2
David Tua vs. Oliver McCall-- McCall PTS
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Mike Tyson -- Tyson KO3
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Oliver McCall-- Ibeabuchi PTS
Chris Byrd vs. James Toney --- Toney KO9
Chris Byrd vs. Roy Jones --- Jones KO9
Muhammad Qawi vs. James Toney-- Toney PTS
Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko -- Loius KO6
Joe Louis vs. David Tua -- Louis KO3

Joe Louis vs. Chris Byrd -- Louis KO7
Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson -- Louis KO11
Muhammad Ali vs. Vitali Klitschko-- Ali KO9
Muhammad Ali vs. David Tua--- Ali KO8
Muhammad Ali vs. Chris Byrd -- Ali PTS
Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson--- Ali KO11
Larry Holmes vs. Vitali Klitschko--- Holmes KO10
Larry Holmes vs. David Tua-- Holmes KO11
Larry Holmes vs. Chris Byrd-- Holmes PTS
Mike McCallum vs. Ray Leonard--- Leonard KO11
Julian Jackson vs. Ray Leonard--- Leonard KO7

your predictions at the end of your post are laughable

David Tua vs. Mike Tyson Tyson late stoppage
David Tua vs. Oliver McCall Tua decision
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Mike Tyson Tyson decision
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Oliver McCall Ibeabuchi decision
Chris Byrd vs. James Toney Byrd decision
Chris Byrd vs. Roy Jones Byrd decision
Muhammad Qawi vs. James Toney Qawi late stoppage
Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko Louis late stoppage
Joe Louis vs. David Tua Louis late stoppage
Joe Louis vs. Chris Byrd Louis late stoppage
Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson Louis late stoppage
Muhammad Ali vs. Vitali Klitschko Ali decision
Muhammad Ali vs. David Tua Ali decision
Muhammad Ali vs. Chris Byrd Ali decision
Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson Ali late stoppage
Larry Holmes vs. Vitali Klitschko Holmes decision
Larry Holmes vs. David Tua Holmes decision
Larry Holmes vs. Chris Byrd Holmes late stoppage
Mike McCallum vs. Ray Leonard McCallum decision
Julian Jackson vs. Ray Leonard Leonard late stoppage

David Tua vs. Mike Tyson Tyson by late stoppage
David Tua vs. Oliver McCall McCall by split-decision
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Mike Tyson Tyson by unanimous-decision
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Oliver McCall (who stopped Lewis) Ike by s-d
Chris Byrd vs. James Toney (who stopped Holyfield) Byrd by m-d
Chris Byrd vs. Roy Jones (who fought Ruiz) Jones by s-d
Muhammad Qawi (Holyfield1) vs. James Toney (Jirov fight) (at 185 or 190)
Quawi by unanimous-decision..

Louis wins all by late stoppage, Ali stops Wlad and Byrd but DC's Tua and Tyson.. Holmes wins all by DC, Leonard DC's McCallum and stops Jackson..

seriously , how does anyone here can see :
regarding tua :
1. Louis stopping Tua
2. Tua not stopping louis

regarding tyson :
1. tyson not stopping louis

regarding vitali klitschko :
as with tua but later in the fight , still inside 12.

remember : louis was knocked down by lesser , weaker smaller fighters.
and stopped by much smaller weaker fighters.
he really does not stand a realistic chance against neither tua nor vitali klitschko.

each one of the fighters is regarded in his prime here.
all i want is your thought and preferably reason about whether the victory will be by decision or a stoppage (and i don't mean cuts)
each is also meant 12 rounds unless mentioned otherwise.
if you are uncertain/undecided / don't want to answer then just state which fights did you regard

i may edit it to add/remove some of the fights and predictions

very interesting (harder for me to predict) :
David Tua vs. Mike Tyson
David Tua vs. Oliver McCall
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Mike Tyson
Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Oliver McCall (who stopped Lewis)
Chris Byrd vs. James Toney (who stopped Holyfield)
Chris Byrd vs. Roy Jones (who fought Ruiz)
Muhammad Qawi (Holyfield1) vs. James Toney (Jirov fight) (at 185 or 190)


Tyson beats Tua late KO
Tua destroys McCall early KO
Tyson beats Ike early KO
McCall beats Ike decision
James Tony beats Byrd KO
Roy jones beats Byrd late TKO
Tony beats Qawi KO

seriously , how does anyone here can see :
regarding tua :
1. Louis stopping Tua
2. Tua not stopping louis

regarding tyson :
1. tyson not stopping louis

regarding vitali klitschko :
as with tua but later in the fight , still inside 12.

remember : louis was knocked down by lesser , weaker smaller fighters.
and stopped by much smaller weaker fighters.
he really does not stand a realistic chance against neither tua nor vitali klitschko.

You really ARE a retarded idiot aren't you?

Poet

seriously , how does anyone here can see :
regarding tua :
1. Louis stopping Tua
2. Tua not stopping louis

regarding tyson :
1. tyson not stopping louis

regarding vitali klitschko :
as with tua but later in the fight , still inside 12.

remember : louis was knocked down by lesser , weaker smaller fighters.
and stopped by much smaller weaker fighters.
he really does not stand a realistic chance against neither tua nor vitali klitschko.


watch Vitaly fight and watch Primo Carnera fight. Very similar and Louis beat the hell out of Carnera. Its not realistic to say Louis would have no chance.

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watch Vitaly fight and watch Primo Carnera fight. Very similar and Louis beat the hell out of Carnera. Its not realistic to say Louis would have no chance.

please no.. i heard enough of this ****.
carnerra was a hype job of fixed fights ..
vitali's even bigger (taller) with better chin (not the best chin , but not as his brother's) , i even consider wlad a favorite to stop louis , vitali's even taller with a better chin , he will reach louis before louis reaches him , and louis did not have a very good chin himself , if by some twisted chance louis reaches vitali , his punch will lose all of its snap along the long way up , and will not effect vitali seriously . vitali will abuse him , wlad too , but against wlad , louis has some minor puncher's chance , against vitali , not even this.

please no.. i heard enough of this ****.
carnerra was a hype job of fixed fights ..
vitali's even bigger (taller) with better chin (not the best chin , but not as his brother's) , i even consider wlad a favorite to stop louis , vitali's even taller with a better chin , he will reach louis before louis reaches him , and louis did not have a very good chin himself , if by some twisted chance louis reaches vitali , his punch will lose all of its snap along the long way up , and will not effect vitali seriously . vitali will abuse him , wlad too , but against wlad , louis has some minor puncher's chance , against vitali , not even this.

:crackhead :bsflag: :tool: Seriously, I've seen some retarded posters on this forum but you're right up there with the most moronic. You're idiot meter is off the scale. :killyou:

Poet

please no.. i heard enough of this ****.
carnerra was a hype job of fixed fights ..
vitali's even bigger (taller) with better chin (not the best chin , but not as his brother's) , i even consider wlad a favorite to stop louis , vitali's even taller with a better chin , he will reach louis before louis reaches him , and louis did not have a very good chin himself , if by some twisted chance louis reaches vitali , his punch will lose all of its snap along the long way up , and will not effect vitali seriously . vitali will abuse him , wlad too , but against wlad , louis has some minor puncher's chance , against vitali , not even this.

you must be a little midget... your argument here is based on height "my brother is bigger than your brother"... Vitali & Wlad are the same height as Buddy Bear and Primo Carnera, Louis brutally destroyed Baer in the opening round

never thought i'd see so many tyson late ko predictions
tyson was too mentally weak for that i think, chances are if you can make it past 6 rounds against tyson your probabley not gonna be ko'd




also confident ibeabuchi would ko tyson, just my two cents

never thought i'd see so many tyson late ko predictions
tyson was too mentally weak for that i think, chances are if you can make it past 6 rounds against tyson your probabley not gonna be ko'd




also confident ibeabuchi would ko tyson, just my two cents
it will be a surprise if tyson stops tua , but a major surprise if it will be past the 4th round. tua , however , could stop tyson at every stage of the fight , especially inside 10. but tyson wins over louis by stoppage is a very realistic scenario. i quite agree with what you say about what you said about lasting the first 6 rounds with tyson , but i don't think he was mentally weak , not especially at least. maybe not the strongest menatlly , but not weak.

it will be a surprise if tyson stops tua , but a major surprise if it will be past the 4th round. tua , however , could stop tyson at every stage of the fight , especially inside 10. but tyson wins over louis by stoppage is a very realistic scenario. i quite agree with what you say about what you said about lasting the first 6 rounds with tyson , but i don't think he was mentally weak , not especially at least. maybe not the strongest menatlly , but not weak.

here is a link for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3JRgun7wG8

why would Mike Tyson who KOd half of his career opponents in the opening round not be able to KO David Tua?.... How could Tua stop Tyson when no-one ever KOd Tyson without a tremendous breaking-down process going on first... what is it that you seem to have againt Joe Louis ? ... The guy was without doubt a legendary fighter and the longest reigning champion in history, he is also regarded by many as the greatest heavyweight who ever lived yet you are claiming some guy who lost virtually every round each time he fought an elite fighter would KO the great Joe Louis in a couple of rounds... please get a grip of yourself before coming out with ridiculous statements like those because they will not be tollerated on this forum by the regular members who i can assure you know their stuff and will brand you as some kind of idiot who does not qualify to be posting in this section, so please take heed

also confident ibeabuchi would ko tyson, just my two cents

Show me something to suggest this. And winning a decision over Tua isn't going to cut it.

This guy was a journeyman knockout king and nothing more. Not even close to Mike's level.

here is a link for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3JRgun7wG8

i saw it long ago , more than one time , tua was about 19 at that time , fighting a much much taller grown man with a lot more experience , a professional amateur , tyson is nothing similar to savon.
he can't do what savon did and savon can't do what he did , very simple.
the grown tua had much more experience and a much better chin , and again , tyson's no savon.



why would Mike Tyson who KOd half of his career opponents in the opening round not be able to KO David Tua?

tua's chin is better than holyfield's , and than tyson's too , , tua's punch was better than holyfield's and than tyson's too , those were those elbows of tyson , that brought him many of his wins and reputation , tua did not need elbows cause he had a better punch.


.... How could Tua stop Tyson when no-one ever KOd Tyson without a tremendous breaking-down process going on first...

again , tua had a better punch and a better chin than anyone who ever stopped tyson.


what is it that you seem to have againt Joe Louis ? ... The guy was without doubt a legendary fighter and the longest reigning champion in history, he is also regarded by many as the greatest heavyweight who ever lived yet you are claiming some guy who lost virtually every round each time he fought an elite fighter would KO the great Joe Louis in a couple of rounds... please get a grip of yourself before coming out with ridiculous statements like those because they will not be tollerated on this forum by the regular members who i can assure you know their stuff and will brand you as some kind of idiot who does not qualify to be posting in this section, so please take heed

what i have i have against these lunatic posters who enshrined louis as a saint. the guy was down against supermiddleweights.
most of his era's hw division could have made 168 in our time.
marciano could make 175. charles probably even 160 , and 168 at every point of his career without difficulty had there been such a division in his time and he chose to compete in it. walcott was a 175 too . louis himself could have made 190 at almost every point of his career and 200 for sure , a legitimate cw. schmelling was a light cruiserweight himself.
still , louis was bigger than most of his opponents , just like ali , holmes , foreman , valuev and the klitschkos were , but small enough to be quickly destroyed by tua.
as i said , louis is overrated , he would have his arse handed to him had he competed at hw at the 70's , at tyson's time and also today.
today is a weak era but the klitschkos and especially vitali are not weak for any time. wlad could have ruled in holmes time , vitali at any time.
and really i am not a fan of them , it does not take a great deal of talent to be so much bigger than your opponents and to abuse them , that's why i will never accept p4p recognition to all those big champs i mentioned , louis included (he was big for HIS time).
the most overrated fighter in these forums.
who's fault is it ?
those farts fault.
let them get f u c k ed.
cheers.

i saw it long ago , more than one time , tua was about 19 at that time , fighting a much much taller grown man with a lot more experience , a professional amateur , tyson is nothing similar to savon.
he can't do what savon did and savon can't do what he did , very simple.
the grown tua had much more experience and a much better chin , and again , tyson's no savon.

tua's chin is better than holyfield's , and than tyson's too , , tua's punch was better than holyfield's and than tyson's too , those were those elbows of tyson , that brought him many of his wins and reputation , tua did not need elbows cause he had a better punch.

again , tua had a better punch and a better chin than anyone who ever stopped tyson.

what i have i have against these lunatic posters who enshrined louis as a saint. the guy was down against supermiddleweights.
most of his era's hw division could have made 168 in our time.
marciano could make 175. charles probably even 160 , and 168 at every point of his career without difficulty had there been such a division in his time and he chose to compete in it. walcott was a 175 too . louis himself could have made 190 at almost every point of his career and 200 for sure , a legitimate cw. schmelling was a light cruiserweight himself.
still , louis was bigger than most of his opponents , just like ali , holmes , foreman , valuev and the klitschkos were , but small enough to be quickly destroyed by tua.
as i said , louis is overrated , he would have his arse handed to him had he competed at hw at the 70's , at tyson's time and also today.
today is a weak era but the klitschkos and especially vitali are not weak for any time. wlad could have ruled in holmes time , vitali at any time.
and really i am not a fan of them , it does not take a great deal of talent to be so much bigger than your opponents and to abuse them , that's why i will never accept p4p recognition to all those big champs i mentioned , louis included (he was big for HIS time).
the most overrated fighter in these forums.
who's fault is it ?
those farts fault.
let them get f u c k ed.
cheers.

The shortbus let them off early today I see :)

Poet

please no.. i heard enough of this ****.
carnerra was a hype job of fixed fights ..
vitali's even bigger (taller) with better chin (not the best chin , but not as his brother's) , i even consider wlad a favorite to stop louis , vitali's even taller with a better chin , he will reach louis before louis reaches him , and louis did not have a very good chin himself , if by some twisted chance louis reaches vitali , his punch will lose all of its snap along the long way up , and will not effect vitali seriously . vitali will abuse him , wlad too , but against wlad , louis has some minor puncher's chance , against vitali , not even this.

Height isn't as big of a factor in a as Reach. You’re constantly using the K'bros height as a key point against Ali and Holmes. Holmes and Ali have the same reach as the Klitschko’s and far better jabs. Against both they couldn’t they can't just coast on the outside like they often do against the limited competition in the current heavyweight competition with their jabs. Couple that with the fact that they both give up so much foot/hand speed that I can't see either of them giving Ali or Holmes much of a fight(I'd say these two are absolutely terrible match up's for the Klitschko's).

Wladmir Klitsckho was stopped by Corrie Sanders, Ross Purity and Lamon Brewster. Brewster and Sanders both have the same reach as Louis, if they could get inside of Wlad and chop him down I'm sure Joe Louis could do it and in an even more brutal fashion.

Vitali is a much tougher opponent than Wlad for Joe but even he is just too slow in both hand and foot speed to keep Louis off of him, why are you so sure Vitali could hit Joe? Louis's was only stopped by ATG's in Marciano and Schmeling and as good as Vitali is he is not in there league in terms of hand or foot speed. Vitali would keep Joe off of him for the first 3-4 rounds decently but afterwards his stamina fades and Louis gets inside fairly often. Once Louis is inside it's all over as Vitali doesn't have the footwork or the inside skills to effectively deal with Joe and gets tattooed by Louis’s punches and either gets stopped or UD’d badly.

I think if either Klitschko could land a really clean bomb they could stop Louis but I don't think they could land it personally as I don’t think they have the skills of Marcianio or Schmeling.

please no.. i heard enough of this ****.
carnerra was a hype job of fixed fights ..
vitali's even bigger (taller) with better chin (not the best chin , but not as his brother's) , i even consider wlad a favorite to stop louis , vitali's even taller with a better chin , he will reach louis before louis reaches him , and louis did not have a very good chin himself , if by some twisted chance louis reaches vitali , his punch will lose all of its snap along the long way up , and will not effect vitali seriously . vitali will abuse him , wlad too , but against wlad , louis has some minor puncher's chance , against vitali , not even this.

Carnera's fight with Jack Sharkey when he won the title wasn't fixed. The heart he showed against Max Baer was 100% real too. His fight with Louis wasn't fixed either.

You are ignoring what I am saying. Carnera and the K bros. have very similar styles. Can you deny this? And if Louis could reach the likes of Carnerra and Buddy Baer he could do the same with the Klits.

Height isn't as big of a factor in a as Reach. You’re constantly using the K'bros height as a key point against Ali and Holmes. Holmes and Ali have the same reach as the Klitschko’s and far better jabs. Against both they couldn’t they can't just coast on the outside like they often do against the limited competition in the current heavyweight competition with their jabs. Couple that with the fact that they both give up so much foot/hand speed that I can't see either of them giving Ali or Holmes much of a fight(I'd say these two are absolutely terrible match up's for the Klitschko's).

Wladmir Klitsckho was stopped by Corrie Sanders, Ross Purity and Lamon Brewster. Brewster and Sanders both have the same reach as Louis, if they could get inside of Wlad and chop him down I'm sure Joe Louis could do it and in an even more brutal fashion.

Vitali is a much tougher opponent than Wlad for Joe but even he is just too slow in both hand and foot speed to keep Louis off of him, why are you so sure Vitali could hit Joe? Louis's was only stopped by ATG's in Charles, Marciano and Schmeling and as good as Vitali is he is not in there league in terms of hand or foot speed. Vitali would keep Joe off of him for the first 3-4 rounds decently but afterwards his stamina fades and Louis gets inside fairly often. Once Louis is inside it's all over as Vitali doesn't have the footwork or the inside skills to effectively deal with Joe and gets tattooed by Louis’s punches and either gets stopped or UD’d badly.

I think if either Klitschko could land a really clean bomb they could stop Louis but I don't think they could land it personally as I don’t think they have the skills of Charles, Marcianio or Schmeling.

Good post. One correction though.....Louis was only stopped by Schmeling and Marciano, and many think the first stoppage was before his prime when he didn't train properly for this fight. We all know the Marciano stoppage was when he was 87 and escaped from the retirement home.

what i have i have against these lunatic posters who enshrined louis as a saint. the guy was down against supermiddleweights.
most of his era's hw division could have made 168 in our time.
marciano could make 175. charles probably even 160 , and 168 at every point of his career without difficulty had there been such a division in his time and he chose to compete in it. walcott was a 175 too . louis himself could have made 190 at almost every point of his career and 200 for sure , a legitimate cw. schmelling was a light cruiserweight himself.
still ,

What you are failing to realize is the fighters back than train DOWN to their lowest possible weight. None of these guys are going to much (a pound or two maybe) lower in weight than what the weighed for their actual fights.

louis was bigger than most of his opponents , just like ali , holmes , foreman , valuev and the klitschkos were , but small enough to be quickly destroyed by tua.

You can just let that little fantasy go. Yua would get embarrassed against Louis and other greats. He was a one handed fighter.

as i said , louis is overrated , he would have his arse handed to him had he competed at hw at the 70's , at tyson's time and also today.

He would have his ass handed to him in these era's like lesser fighters such a Quarry and Holyfield who excelled? Lmao!!

today is a weak era but the klitschkos and especially vitali are not weak for any time. wlad could have ruled in holmes time , vitali at any time.

Vitaly, todays Primo Carnera could have ruled in any era. Funny how you make this claim yet give no credit to Louis for destroying Primo.

and really i am not a fan of them , it does not take a great deal of talent to be so much bigger than your opponents and to abuse them , that's why i will never accept p4p recognition to all those big champs i mentioned , louis included (he was big for HIS time).
the most overrated fighter in these forums.
who's fault is it ?
those farts fault.
let them get f u c k ed.
cheers.


Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Dude, this is you all time list and you expect to be taken seriously?

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. David Tua
5. Mike Tyson
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Oliver McCall
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Chris Byrd

Bwwaaaahaaaaahhhaaaaahhaaahaahhhhhaahaaaaa!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What exactly is you criteria for greatness here?

Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Dude, this is you all time list and you expect to be taken seriously?

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. David Tua
5. Mike Tyson
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Oliver McCall
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Chris Byrd

Bwwaaaahaaaaahhhaaaaahhaaahaahhhhhaahaaaaa!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What exactly is you criteria for greatness here?
:wtf1: This is clearly a case of Frankenscents being diluted and totally diminished by Gold.. Nice one Jab!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl: Ownership in it's essence

Good post. One correction though.....Louis was only stopped by Schmeling and Marciano, and many think the first stoppage was before his prime when he didn't train properly for this fight. We all know the Marciano stoppage was when he was 87 and escaped from the retirement home.

Woops my bad, I was too exited for the college BBall on tonight to think clearly I guess. I'll fix that.

Woops my bad, I was too exited for the college BBall on tonight to think clearly I guess. I'll fix that.

Its all good. I think most know what you meant but I figured I would correct before some troll came rolling along.

Q: if tua jumped on louis like he did ruiz and moorer , what would louis do ?
A: Knock him TFO !
:fu2:
:rofl::Flush:
wrong.
tua has better punch and better power than louis , and his victims were superior to louis' a fact is louis was stopped twice as a pro , and tua none.
tua fought formidable opposition far more than louis' .
to those who think thhe fighters then trained down to their weights , they forget today's fighters also dehydrate to their weighing weights which are significantly lower than their fighting weights.

ali and holmes could give the klitschkos problems but thier reach is exagerrated . louis' reach was a poor 74" , 76" according to last checks.
reach and height data are greatly exaggerated and the exaggeration itself varies largely from one fighter to another , also , height is even more important than reach and this for reaching purposes alone.

Q: if tua jumped on louis like he did ruiz and moorer , what would louis do ?
A: Knock him TFO !
:fu2:
:rofl::Flush:
wrong.
tua has better punch and better power than louis , and his victims were superior to louis' a fact is louis was stopped twice as a pro , and tua none.
tua fought formidable opposition far more than louis' .
to those who think thhe fighters then trained down to their weights , they forget today's fighters also dehydrate to their weighing weights which are significantly lower than their fighting weights.

This is too retarded to bother with an intelligent response.


ali and holmes could give the klitschkos problems but thier reach is exagerrated . louis' reach was a poor 74" , 76" according to last checks.
reach and height data are greatly exaggerated and the exaggeration itself varies largely from one fighter to another , also , height is even more important than reach and this for reaching purposes alone.

Sorry Dude. You don't get to rewrite boxing theory to suit your agenda. Reach is the most important physical attribute and height is the least.

And to rectify your rediculous assertion over Ali and Holmes' reach:

Vitali Klitschko - Reach: 80"
Wladimir Klitschko - Reach: 81"
Lennox Lewis - Reach: 84"
David Tua - Reach: 70"

Muhammad Ali - Reach: 80"
George Foreman - Reach: 82"
Sonny Liston - Reach: 84"
Earnie Terrell - Reach: 82"

Joe Louis - Reach: 76"
Max Baer - Reach: 81"
Primo Carnera - Reach: 85"
Jess Willard - Reach: 83"

Assuming you are at least semi-literate (a BIG assumption to be sure) all these fighters reaches are easily accessable.

Poet

Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time.



:lol1:


Good one.


He would have his ass handed to him in these era's like lesser fighters such a Quarry and Holyfield who excelled? Lmao!!.


Holyfield and Quarry both had tremendous chins and alot of heart.....something Joe Louis lacked throughout his career.

Q: if tua jumped on louis like he did ruiz and moorer , what would louis do ?
A: Knock him TFO !
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wrong.
tua has better punch and better power than louis , and his victims were superior to louis' a fact is louis was stopped twice as a pro , and tua none.
tua fought formidable opposition far more than louis' .
to those who think thhe fighters then trained down to their weights , they forget today's fighters also dehydrate to their weighing weights which are significantly lower than their fighting weights.

ali and holmes could give the klitschkos problems but thier reach is exagerrated . louis' reach was a poor 74" , 76" according to last checks.
reach and height data are greatly exaggerated and the exaggeration itself varies largely from one fighter to another , also , height is even more important than reach and this for reaching purposes alone.

Name all of todays fat heavyweights who train down to their best weight. Tua? Arreola? Peter? Povetkin? Valuev? Just name me 5 of them in the top 15.

Name all of todays fat heavyweights who train down to their best weight. Tua? Arreola? Peter? Povetkin? Valuev? Just name me 5 of them in the top 15.

(1) i thought the one whom meant 'train down to their best weight' meant every but only the bounded weight classes
(2) arreola and peter are very fat indeed.
(3) i think that if you consider their decision of competing at 201+ a given , then tua and povetkin perform better as they are and don't need a serious trimming. tua was not that fat against byrd , and what happened . also : povetkin is a 201+ since his amateur days , a rare thing.
savon competed at a lower class , remember that ali and holyfield came from 178 .. mercer was 200 as an amateur (he was too fat too)