... in a Boxing Monthly. Might have been Boxing Monthly, actually. I don't have it any more, so this is paraphrased:

"When I take care of John Ruiz you'll never have to see him again and you can thank me and call it a gift from James Toney."



Well, he did just that... but he never told us he'd be back again. This is seriously depressing. In a way now I hope Ruiz knocks everyone in the division the f*** out (including a comebacking Tua) and retires as the undisputed champ of his age. A champ that EVERYONE hates, but NO-ONE can beat. In a way, that brings a kind of prestige, doesn't it?

i think in a strange way its a good thing so many people hate ruiz, because at least it has people talking about the sport, albeit for the wrong reasons, it is funny though the way he keeps coming back, after it looks like he's going, it seems there is no getting rid of him just yet

Oh please, someone give me a reason to believe that Toney didn't do it.

Would you call a fighter with 69 wins-43ko-4loses and titles from middleweight to heavyweight a phony? I wouldn't

Would you call a fighter with 69 wins-43ko-4loses and titles from middleweight to heavyweight a phony. I wouldn't


Nope, I wouldnt either and still wont BUT I will not recognize him as a WBA heavyweight title holder.

Although he does still hold that IBA strap.

Would you call a fighter with 69 wins-43ko-4loses and titles from middleweight to heavyweight a phony. I wouldn't
I wouldn't, but I was referencing the name shouted at him by Ruiz's manager during their first conference together... a name that fitted in with the subject of the thread.

Would you call a fighter with 69 wins-43ko-4loses and titles from middleweight to heavyweight a phony. I wouldn't

I sure do. Even I had some respect for him going into the fight as my very first posts showed. But now that I see him for the cheating slag he is, his whole record is suspect. The question now is how many other fights did he cheat in? Toney IS a phony. His legacy is shot.

the cheating slagDo you have this expression in the US?

I know you've got "Ruiz's hometown" as your "location" but your usage of that phrase gives me the strong suspicion you're a Limey.



Just when I was convincing people you're not me under a pseudonym...

Do you have this expression in the US?

I know you've got "Ruiz's hometown" as your "location" but your usage of that phrase gives me the strong suspicion you're a Limey.



Just when I was convincing people you're not me under a pseudonym...
Hmmmm lol! Yeah slag is a UK term, it isn`t in the American lingo. This pretender is from the UK and thats not Ruiz`s hometown. Kinda makes you suspect what is the pretender's game. Does he love Ruiz in a romantic way perhaps? Maybe he wants a hug!

Do you have this expression in the US?

I know you've got "Ruiz's hometown" as your "location" but your usage of that phrase gives me the strong suspicion you're a Limey.

Just when I was convincing people you're not me under a pseudonym...

Man some of you are really DAFT. Been eating too much SPOTTED DICK lately? Hit yourself over the head with a TORCH or something? What is wrong with you BLOKES. I swear BLOODY HELL, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

I'm sorry, am I not allowed to use english english as an american? Did I violate some international laws I wasn't aware of? Get a life!

I sure do. Even I had some respect for him going into the fight as my very first posts showed. But now that I see him for the cheating slag he is, his whole record is suspect. The question now is how many other fights did he cheat in? Toney IS a phony. His legacy is shot.

How naive you gotta be to think he's the only one or even that it's not wide ****in spread amongst pro sports with all the positives that show up daily.

He did it because EVERYONE'S doin it and have for awhile. Just the high ass scrutiny surrounding that **** now has got him bitten in the ass. Look at Mosley, Roy, all those ****in guys now ... When they fight all of em look like all their muscle has fallen off their bodies.

How naive you gotta be to think he's the only one or even that it's not wide ****in spread amongst pro sports with all the positives that show up daily.

He did it because EVERYONE'S doin it and have for awhile. Just the high ass scrutiny surrounding that **** now has got him bitten in the ass. Look at Mosley, Roy, all those ****in guys now ... When they fight all of em look like all their muscle has fallen off their bodies.

Do we know they been on the juice? No. Do we know Toney on the juice? Yes. Case closed. Ruiz got his belt back.