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asero831

02-06-2010, 10:41 PM

This is my personal list of top 200 Boxers of all-time.
personally i use this criteria:

accomplishment, resume, historical significance, overall ability dominance,
longetivity and mainsteam appeal

I consider top 100 to be ATG while 101-120 to be borderline ATG...

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Harry Greb
5. Sam Langford
6. Joe Louis
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Roberto Duran
9. Willie Pep
10. Benny Leonard

11. Ray Leonard
12. Manny Pacquiao
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Archie Moore
15. Bob Fitzsimmons
16. Joe Gans
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Barney Ross
20. Mickey Walker

21. Gene Tunney
22. Rocky Marciano
23. Barbados Joe Walcott
24. Alexis Arguello
25. Sandy Saddler
26. Kid Gavilan
27. Julio Cesar Chavez
28. Jimmy Wilde
29. Roy Jones Jr
30. Bernard Hopkins
31. Tony Canzoneri
32. Charley Burley
33. Thomas Hearns
34. Ike Williams
35. Emile Griffith
36. Jack Johnson
37. Lennox Lewis
38. Evander Holyfield
39. Eder Jofre
40. Jack Dempsey
41. Salvador Sanchez
42. Stanley Ketchel
43. Michael Spinks
44. Jose Napoles
45. Floyd Mayweather Jr
46. Jimmy McLarnin
47. Tommy Loughran
48. Larry Holmes
49. Ruben Olivares
50. Carlos Ortiz

51. Fighting Harada
52. Wilfredo Gomez
53. Bob Foster
54. Billy Conn
55. Dick Tiger
56. Panama Al Brown
57. George Foreman
58. Joe Frazier
59. Aaron Pryor
60. Ted Kid Lewis
61. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
62. Terry McGovern
63. Tommy Ryan
64. Abe Attel
65. Jack Britton
66. Tiger Flowers
67. Kid Chocolate
68. Jake LaMotta
69. Ricardo Lopez
70. Manuel Ortiz
71. Carmen Basilio
72. Oscar De La Hoya
73. Mike Tyson
74. Carlos Zarate
75. Wilfred Benitez

76. Felix Trinidad
77. Erik Morales
78. Marco Antonio Barrera
79. Jim Jeffries
80. Shane Mosley
81. Pancho Villa
82. Azumah Nelson
83. Packey McFarland
84. Marcel Cerdan
85. Miguel Canto
86. Pascual Perez
87. Juan Manuel Marquez
88. Vicente Saldivar
89. Flash Elorde
90. George Dixon
91. Mike McCallum
92. Joe Calzaghe
93. Harry Wills
94. Holman Williams
95. John Dundee
96. Joe Brown
97. Gene Fullmer
98. Jim Driscoll
99. Sonny Liston
100. Antonio Cervantes

101. Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
102. Beau Jack
103. Nicolino Locche
104. Duilio Loi
105. Khaosai Galaxy
106. Benny Lynch
107. Freddie Welsh
108. Philidelphia Jack O'Brien
109. James Toney
110. Jimmy Bivins
111. Harold Johnson
112. Bob Montgomery
113. Lloyd Marshall
114. Maxie Rosenbloom
115. John Henry Lewis
116. Eusebio Pedroza
117. Freddie Miller
118. Lou Ambers
119. Jeff Fenech
120. Tommy Gibbons
121. Battling Nelson
122. Young Stribling
123. Mike Gibbons
124. Johnny Kilbane
125. Young Griffo
126. Vitalai Klitschko
127. Wladimir Klitschko
128. Pete Herman
129. Kosta Tszyu
130. Jack Dillon

131. Tony Zale
132. Nino Benvenuti
133. Ken Buchanan
134. Winky Wright
135. Jack Kid Berg
136. Fidel Labarba
137. Jack Blackburn
138. Jack McAuliffe
139. Georges Carpentier
140. Johnny Tapia
141. Jersey Joe Walcott
142. Sammy Angott
143. Orlando Canizales
144. Owen Moran
145. Battling Levinsky
146. Midget Wolgast
147. Fritzie Zivic
148. Joe Jeannette
149. Kid McCoy
150. Freddie Steele

151. Lew Tendler
152. Frankie Genaro
153. Floyd Patterson
154. Esteban De Jesus
155. Kid Williams
156. Joe Lynch
157. Les Darcy
158. Michael Carbajal
159. Nigel Benn
160. Chris Eubank
161. Billy Papke
162. Frank Klaus
163. Jack Delaney
164. Israel Vazquez
165. Rafael Marquez
166. Humberto Gonzales
167. Terry Norris
168. Jim Barry
169. Jung-Koo Chang
170. Tommy Burns
171. John Coulon
172. Joey Giardello
173. Ismael Laguna
174. Teddy Yarosz
175. Ken Norton
176. Riddick Bowe
177. Max Schmelling
178. Carlos Palomino
179. Joey Maxim
180. Jose Luis Castillo
181. Sam McVey
182. Hector Camacho
183. Dwight Qawi
184. Ivan Calderon
185. Ad Wolgast
186. Jeff Chandler
187. Diego Corrales
188. Naseem Hamed
189. Matthew Saad
190. Little Red Lopez
191. Billy Graham
192. Miguel Cotto
193. Willie Ritchie
194. Hilario Zapata
195. Jiro Watanabe
196. Kid Lavigne
197. Myung Woo Yuh
198. Joel Casamayor
199. Darius Michalczewski
200. Rosendo Alvarez

Fighting Marine

02-06-2010, 10:43 PM

Manny Pacquiao 12???? well this is your personal list, so whatever

Jim Jeffries

02-06-2010, 11:00 PM

Manny Pacquiao 12???? well this is your personal list, so whatever

I think there's an unspoken rule here where you don't criticize someone's list unless you provide one of your own, especially someone who took the time to create one all the way out to 200.

mickey malone

02-06-2010, 11:09 PM

It's a very good list, which in my opinion, had only the one immediately noticable flaw.. Ray Leonard at no11 shouldn't be happening..
His resume on numbers is far too low.. He lost the second fight to Hearns, and had special arrangements made to take Donny Lalonde's light heavyweight belt.. He was 5 years inactive with no longevity, and had this not been the case, wouldn't have been humiliated by Norris and Camacho..

tanibanana

02-06-2010, 11:17 PM

the mere fact your list goes until 200th.. makes it a double credit..
nice list.. pretty solid, but not perfect..

:hail: :hail: :hail:

Fighting Marine

02-06-2010, 11:43 PM

I think there's an unspoken rule here where you don't criticize someone's list unless you provide one of your own, especially someone who took the time to create one all the way out to 200.

what??? i haven't even criticized him, all i mentioned was that i disagreed with his choice of placing Pacquiao at 12, than i said its his list and he can put these fighters in any order he wants.....

you little ******* worm

One more round

02-07-2010, 01:01 AM

Pacquiao at 12? For god's sake

tyger

02-07-2010, 01:06 AM

I'm sure everybodies got a list that is different, but that list is not bad.

BOLLOCKS

02-07-2010, 01:07 AM

De La Homo above Barrera & Morales? Gay.

Jim Jeffries

02-07-2010, 01:12 AM

De La Homo above Barrera & Morales? Gay.

Can you think of anyone else with 9 titles in 6 different weight classes?

If anything, 72 is a bit low for him.

mickey malone

02-07-2010, 01:56 AM

Can you think of anyone else with 9 titles in 6 different weight classes?

If anything, 72 is a bit low for him.
Very true.. The recent and rapid fall of DLH is still in a lot of peoples minds unfortunately.. But when you look at the quality of his resume and the fact he fought all the very best in the middle of their prime, i don't see how anyone can argue..
And yes, 72 is too low, but as you more or less said earlier, it's a bloody hard list for anyone to do..

tanibanana

02-07-2010, 02:30 AM

MCBCheckHook27

02-07-2010, 02:47 AM

LOL at #12 & #45!!! HA!!!

asero831

02-07-2010, 02:56 AM

this is real hardwork.... if you truely tried to gage them and did not just throw the names there.. here are my thoughts..

Eder Jofre, a bit low should be somewhere +5 to +10 in that list.. (greatest bantam end of story).

Salvador Sanchez way too high.. (this i'm going to be crucified).. but come on..
if Morales died after the 1st Pacman fight, everyone would put him in their top 30.
he is getting the plus credit for "what if he did get to live more" thing..

Oscar Dela Hoya too low.. should be in top 50.. (six division title, yeah.. yeah.. i know, but its not his fault for having too many titles nowadays)

Khaosai Galaxy too low.. should be top-100, +20 in that list.. (thailand's best, a country rich in boxing history)

you put Miguel Cotto at #192 and Felix Trinidad at #76.. (the gap is too wide for the two Ricans, 116)

Jung-Koo Chang & Myung-Woo Yuh made it, than where is Masao Oba?

but honestly, good job. 200 list.. its crazy hardwork. Even I can't make one.

im not just that high on jofre. Who did he beat? He is like jimmy wilde whose legacy rides on the fact that they are the best fighter in their division. I ranked wilde higher because he fights guys bigger than him. As for jofre, who did he beat that is better than who ike williams and holyfield beat...

As for Galaxy, the same goes. Who did he beat? He is didn't move out of his comfort zone(in thailand and at 115). I would even favor tapia and rafa marquez to beat him. Maybe even watanabe

i really like the comparison of dempsey and sanchez. They look dominant in their prime while still being young. He is still on his way up on the moment he died. I know saddler-sanchez would be the best dream fight below lightweight.

Tito Trinidad has fights with vargas and dela Hoya and is an ATG in every sense of the world. Meaning, he would make it in the HOF in his first year of eligibility. As for Cotto, he is still young. Trinidad was a p4p king at one point while cotto has never been in the top 5.

Oba was just left out a bit. Im sure he is locked from 200-205th like perkins, nunn and arizmendi

As for dela hoya, i may have underrate him but please his 130 and 160 belt is almost meaningless. He got a gift against sturm and quartey.Top 50? i would say no, maybe top 65. My top 62 is already fixed.

tanibanana

02-07-2010, 03:05 AM

im not just that high on jofre. Who did he beat? He is like jimmy wilde whose legacy rides on the fact that they are the best fighter in their division. I ranked wilde higher because he fights guys bigger than him. As for jofre, who did he beat that is better than who ike williams and holyfield beat...

As for Galaxy, the same goes. Who did he beat? He is didn't move out of his comfort zone(in thailand and at 115). I would even favor tapia and rafa marquez to beat him. Maybe even watanabe

i really like the comparison of dempsey and sanchez. They look dominant in their prime while still being young. He is still on his way up on the moment he died. I know saddler-sanchez would be the best dream fight below lightweight.

Tito Trinidad has fights with vargas and dela Hoya and is an ATG in every sense of the world. Meaning, he would make it in the HOF in his first year of eligibility. As for Cotto, he is still young. Trinidad was a p4p king at one point while cotto has never been in the top 5.

Oba was just left out a bit. Im sure he is locked from 200-205th like perkins, nunn and arizmendi

As for dela hoya, i may have underrate him but please his 130 and 160 belt is almost meaningless. He got a gift against sturm and quartey.Top 50? i would say no, maybe top 65. My top 62 is already fixed.
The Galaxy part was the funniest... who did he beat?? the better quetion was, who was willing to fight him.. he is not your typical picker. The problem was, he has poor connections, network. And Watanabe oh please.. Wattanabe run and vacant his title in order to duck Galaxy. And was willing to fight anywhere. try to search. Khaosai beat few world champions by the way, if i'm not mistaken 9.. when there were only 3 alphabet soups back then. Ring Mag would not put him #43 for nothing.

BennyST

02-07-2010, 04:51 AM

Good stuff mate. 200 is one hell of a lot of fighters to think about and get into some semblance of order. Well done.:fing02:

Now, I noticed you said who did Jofre beat? Who indeed!

Let's have a look shall we?

Basic info: Was a two division world champion at BW and FW. He was the unified BW champ from '61 to '65 or '66 and made six defenses of the BW title. He made one defense of his FW title before retiring.

Before we look at his wins, one thing has to be mentioned here: All of his opponents were in what I consider the toughest BW era ever. Jofre held both titles for many years, and fought nearly every single great fighter in that era. A lot of the guys were easily good enough to not only win a title in another era but even dominate another era and there were a lot and many of them did in fact dominate other divisions or BW when he left.

Anyway, let's look at his opponents: Overall, he has one of the best resumes for win/loss ratio for the caliber of opponents faced. The one guy he couldn't beat was the Manny Pacquiao (literally) of the day. A certified HOF legend, a frenzied, mad, offensive machine that didn't stop punching, had great skill and was in his prime years. I'm talking of the great 'Fighting' Harada of course, Japan's best fighter. In two fights for the unified BW championship, he was the one foe that Jofre couldn't overcome.

His wins though (in no order at all. I won't mention all their best wins or titles they won but just some very brief opponents and some titles they won if I remember):
Vincente Saldivar 37-2 (best win: pick any. Unified FW champ, HOF, Sugar Ramos, Ismael Laguna etc etc)
Jose Legra 132-10 (best win: Howard Winstone, FW title)
Ernesto Miranda 40-3 (best win: Jose Smecca)
Leo Espinosa 44-10 (best win: great Flyweight champs Pone Kingpetch and Yoshio Shirai)
Jose Smecca 14-0 (best win: Kid Pascualito)
Jose Medel 52-16 (best win: pick any, Fighting Harada, Chucho Castillo, hugely underrated! Considered among the best to never win a title)
Piero Rollo 56-3 (best win: great FW champ Mario D'Agata)
Sadao Yaoita 43-8 (best win: an undefeated 50-0 Pascual Perez!)
Johnny Caldwell 25-0 (best win: great BW champ Alphonse Halimi, BW champ that Jofre beat to win title)
Katsutoshi Aoki 41-1 (best win: Piero Rollo, Leo Espinosa)
Bernardo Caraballo 39-0 (best win: pick any, like Medel is hugely underrated. Beat Pascual Perez, Antonio Herrera, an undefeated 52-0 Waldemir Pinto-himself greatly underrated, Piero Rollo, 56-2 Carlos Miranda, Manny Elias etc)
Godfrey Stevens 71-7 (best win: Kid Pascualito, Jose Smecca, 38-0 Raymundo De Jesus, Antonio Herrera, Miguel Angel Botta, Don Johnson etc and went on to fight everyone from Jofre to Olivares, to Arguello to Saijo all a bit too late though sadly)
Octavio Gomez (best win: Danny Lopez, Art Hafey, Rafael Herrera, Kid Pascualito, Romeo Anaya)

All of the above were great fighters in their own right in an absurdly deep division at both FW and BW. All of these guys were championship level fighters and although some of them never won a title it was because there was only the one guy in the division and at the time those divisions were ruled by legendary fighters who often stayed at the top for a long time so they might have only had one shot in their lifetimes.

The lesser, but still very solid opponents (ie. brief or minor titlists or the very good journeymen-Emmanuel Augustus', by today's standards), Juan Antonio Lopez 35-3, Manny Elias 42-17, Johnny Jamito 29-3, Roberto Castro 56-3, Eloy Sanchez 29-12, Gianni Zuddas 57-14, Ramon Arias, Rudy Corona etc etc etc.

It's a pretty amazing record when you take into account the era and if you know about the fighters of that era quite well. He dominated an incredible era of brilliant fighters and lost to one guy only, who was a legend. He was like the Ray Robinson of his era. Fought everyone and beat everyone, bar one fighter and had all the skill you could imagine, speed, defense, power, chin, heart, stamina.....everything. A truly brilliant and skilled fighter and one of the ATG's.

GJC

02-07-2010, 08:09 AM

Good list, we could all chop and change bits of it but then that would be our list and not yours. Thank you for sharing your efforts.

JAB5239

02-07-2010, 08:27 AM

HaglerSteelChin

02-07-2010, 09:28 AM

I think there's an unspoken rule here where you don't criticize someone's list unless you provide one of your own, especially someone who took the time to create one all the way out to 200.

This is why myself and others don't post our personal top 200 list. It gives bait for some trolls to jump on any glaring omissions or sequence of your order. As events constantly happen in the sport the sequence of my order gets edited often. Btw, I AM not accusing anyone of being a troll who honestly disagrees with a ranking but some people will just jump on an excuse to have a long winded back and forth debate on an "opinion."

In addition, we are constantly learning new things or finding out things about past fighters. The way their achievements survive the test of time also helps.

I think my list has maybe 25 or 30 different names compared to this list but its similar in many ways. I don't have Duran or Charles in my top 10; i have Gans and Tunney instead. For boricua fighters; i have Serrano, Calderon, Montanez, and El Chapo rated higher than Cotto. But if Cotto wins at 154 he will definitely climb several slots.

Also like the TS i have Salvador Sanchez in my top 40, so i don't think he is overrated.

BritishBoxing92

02-07-2010, 09:34 AM

BritishBoxing92

02-07-2010, 09:35 AM

Your Rate Iron Mike Tyson #73??? whats the matter with you?? he should atleast be in top 50...

General Zod

02-07-2010, 09:43 AM

Your Rate Iron Mike Tyson #73??? whats the matter with you?? he should atleast be in top 50...
Tyson shouldnt even be in the top 100. Hopkins and Jones ahead of Holyfield? Manny Pacquiao at number 12? Well its your list based on your opinion so everythings cool

HaglerSteelChin

02-07-2010, 09:44 AM

JAB5239

02-07-2010, 09:49 AM

Another side note is how much weight should we give to Amateur record and Olympics? I had Laszlo Papp in my top 200 not just for his 27-0 record but also for his great olympic record and gold medals. The fact is the professional record should have most weight; but amateur and olympics should get a little consideration. A guy like Papp won 3 Gold Medals in both JR MW and MW divisions, it should count for something.

Although, we know olympics have a history of robberies just look at the 1988 Seoul Olympics and Roy Jones jr; i fight that i saw live and was in disbelief.

I have to respectfully disagree. Pro and amateur are two different ball games. Some times fighters just can't make the adjustment. Mark Breland and Howard Davis were great amateurs. As Pro's neither lived up to the expectations. I don't think any fighter should get extra credit for an outstanding amateur career, but thats just my opinion.

HaglerSteelChin

02-07-2010, 10:11 AM

I have to respectfully disagree. Pro and amateur are two different ball games. Some times fighters just can't make the adjustment. Mark Breland and Howard Davis were great amateurs. As Pro's neither lived up to the expectations. I don't think any fighter should get extra credit for an outstanding amateur career, but thats just my opinion.

I put majority weight on Professional Career. But international competition has some weight especially when a guy like Papp won Gold medals in 3 different olympics and adds a little more weight to his 27-0 record. If your professional record is mediocore and your amateur great; than you don't make my list. But i have 2 undefeated fighters like a Papp and john doe; than Papp breaks the tie with his 3 gold medals.

There is also the issue with winning titles; there are many great fighters that never won a title and that alone is reason for some not to include them. Some people will never include Young Stribling because he lost to Max and had a questionable Draw in his other title shot, yet i still include him on my list.

But that is the beauty of people having their own list they include any criteria they deem important.

poet682006

02-07-2010, 01:42 PM

BOLLOCKS

02-08-2010, 10:02 AM

Can you think of anyone else with 9 titles in 6 different weight classes?

If anything, 72 is a bit low for him.

Paper titles.

The_Demon

02-08-2010, 07:31 PM

good list

while i may not agree with some of the placings i respect you for taking the time to post it