I don't see any light heavyweight beating him, in his prime. The man was simply untouchable and unbeatable.

With all due respect, Charles, Moore, Tunney, Fitzsimmons, Spinks and Foster wouldn't be able to beat Jones.

Archie Moore would've knocked him clean out

I don't see any light heavyweight beating him, in his prime. The man was simply untouchable and unbeatable.

With all due respect, Charles, Moore, Tunney, Fitzsimmons, Spinks and Foster wouldn't be able to beat Jones.
It's difficult to say, because he simply didn't engage anyone of that calibre throughout either of his 2 spells in the division.. Ok, the 2nd spell shouldn't be included, but it did expose his fragile chin, which i believe was always there, to be tested, but there wern't any Moore's, Foster's etc, to test it out
During his 1st spell, he was great at hitting without being hit, but i believe had he fought anyone good enough to connect, i can't see him being able to recover..

Over 12 rounds, he stands a very good chance against all the above, but over 15, I think he'd get stopped by Moore, Charles, Foster, Spinks and Tunney..
Fitzsimmons, Loughran and Conn, i'd call as 50/50 fights..

Summing up, i'd rank RJJ as a top 10 ATG at LHW, but not quite as highly as you do..

ugh............

Jones is a tough fight for anyone, but I can't see him beating Charles and Spinks.

I would make him a slight underdog against both Spinks and Foster.

I'm not really sure how I see him doing against the likes of Conn, Moore, and Charles.

Jones had all the skills to beat anybody in the history of the division. Unfortunately he didn't possess a chin to complement those skills. This means to me that Jones could not walk through all the lightheavies without taking a loss or two. Jones would be in danger whenever he faced a guys with a sufficient wallop like Spinks, Foster, Charles, Moore etc.

I may not know much about alot of the guy discussed in this section, but I do know alot about Jones. He was very good but there are several great light heavies that possibly could have beat him. I don't think Jones Jr's best weight was light heavy, he was not a big light heavywt. He was better at super middleweight and middleweight if you ask me.
Now I do think at super middleweight he could have beaten every supermiddleweight but even at middleweight there are so many great fighters and that division has a long history.

There are very big ATG light heavyweights who would be able to rough Roy up. Now if we were talking middleweights or super middleweights, there is more of a case.

I don't see any light heavyweight beating him, in his prime. The man was simply untouchable and unbeatable.

With all due respect, Charles, Moore, Tunney, Fitzsimmons, Spinks and Foster wouldn't be able to beat Jones.

I'd pick Charles, Tunney, Foster and Spinks over him and give Conn, Fitzsimmons and Moore a good shot at beating him. Im sure there are others I will think of later.

i haven't watched many ATg lightheavy's
but michael spinks and michael moorer would get knocked the **** out

those guys are overrated as ****, also i bet most people are jus mentioning them because they could punch, obviously all you need is a punch to beat roy jones:pat:

There are very big ATG light heavyweights who would be able to rough Roy up. Now if we were talking middleweights or super middleweights, there is more of a case.

ye i agree with this,some of the best LHWs ever have been big and strong in comparison to jones so to say nobody would beat him defiantly is a bit stupid imo

i haven't watched many ATg lightheavy's
but michael spinks and michael moorer would get knocked the **** out

those guys are overrated as ****, also i bet most people are jus mentioning them because they could punch, obviously all you need is a punch to beat roy jones:pat:
Spinks was one of the best LHW's ever and the best at a time when the division was arguably at it's deepest. Spinks had it all: Speed, chin, punch, combos everything.

I must say I suspect that you've only seen Spinks getting blitzed by Tyson. Otherwise I find it hard to believe how you can say that he'd be KTFO.

Spinks was one of the best LHW's ever and the best at a time when the division was arguably at it's deepest. Spinks had it all: Speed, chin, punch, combos everything.

I must say I suspect that you've only seen Spinks getting blitzed by Tyson. Otherwise I find it hard to believe how you can say that he'd be KTFO.

no one never seen anyone fight if they disagree with someone around here

i suspect you've never seen most of spinks fights accept his ones against complete bums?
seriously, awkward style isn't the word, it's weak as ****, he just wasn't that good

i haven't watched many ATg lightheavy's
but michael spinks and michael moorer would get knocked the **** out

those guys are overrated as ****, also i bet most people are jus mentioning them because they could punch, obviously all you need is a punch to beat roy jones:pat:

Nobody is talking about Micheal Moorer. Spinks on the other hand faced way better comp at 175 than Jones and was big and awkward. Jones had trouble in his first fight with an awkward Montell Griffin. Spinks is more than a half foot taller than Griffin and a much, much better fighter. Jones was also dropped by Lou DeValle who can't even be considered being any where near the class of fighter Spinks was. If you think Spinks is overrated at 175, what would that make Roy? His comp at that weight was terribly weak.

Nobody is talking about Micheal Moorer. Spinks on the other hand faced way better comp at 175 than Jones and was big and awkward. Jones had trouble in his first fight with an awkward Montell Griffin. Spinks is more than a half foot taller than Griffin and a much, much better fighter. Jones was also dropped by Lou DeValle who can't even be considered being any where near the class of fighter Spinks was. If you think Spinks is overrated at 175, what would that make Roy? His comp at that weight was terribly weak.

i dont care about the competition, jones has proven he's a force by absolutely annihiliating reggie johnson, montell griffin(who jones only trouble with because of his already SMALL STATURE and then being crouched down ever further) and virgil hill

look at this guy

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being tall doesn't help against jones, he can swing up high, and do it very quickly

i doubt spinks even has a chin as good as richard halls

i dont care about the competition, jones has proven he's a force by absolutely annihiliating reggie johnson, montell griffin(who jones only trouble with because of his already SMALL STATURE and then being crouched down ever further) and virgil hill.

Lmao!! Of course you don't care about the competition. I mean what the hell would that have to do with anything when comparing fighters, right?

being tall doesn't help against jones, he can swing up high, and do it very quickly

i doubt spinks even has a chin as good as richard halls

Yet Spinks was only ko'd at heavyweight by Tyson and Roy was put to sleep by Tarver and Johnson who probaly wouldn't even crack the top 5 lightheavies Spinks fought.

Am I mistaken or are you the guy who also claimed Roy would beat Ali? Give it a rest already.

No.....just no :nonono:

Poet

I can't speak for the older LHW's but Michael Spinks would get in his a**. And Michael Moorer would as well.

Jones had all the skills to beat anybody in the history of the division. Unfortunately he didn't possess a chin to complement those skills. This means to me that Jones could not walk through all the lightheavies without taking a loss or two. Jones would be in danger whenever he faced a guys with a sufficient wallop like Spinks, Foster, Charles, Moore etc.

Fact is he didnt get KOed til he was 35, and dropped down two weight classes.

Contrary to popular belief he HAS BEEN HIT in his prime and took the punches fine... By Nard, Toney, Griffin, Mccallum, Hill... they all hit him.

A 230lb John Ruiz hit him with flush right hands consecutively in the first round... HE TOOK THEM.... JUST..... FINE.

Fact is he didnt get KOed til he was 35, and dropped down two weight classes.

Contrary to popular belief he HAS BEEN HIT in his prime and took the punches fine... By Nard, Toney, Griffin, Mccallum, Hill... they all hit him.

A 230lb John Ruiz hit him with flush right hands consecutively in the first round... HE TOOK THEM.... JUST..... FINE.

Tarver hit him with some bombs in the first fight as well. So did Lou Del Valle. Hell, quite a few fighters did.

Tarver hit him with some bombs in the first fight as well. So did Lou Del Valle. Hell, quite a few fighters did.

I am tired of BANDWAGON comments that are made... when all the facts aren't put into place. He dropped down two weight classes and got hit with a MONSTER left hook on the JAWLINE.

That punch would have dropped ANYbody... not to mention he GOT UP.

He fought Glen Johnson only 4 months after suffering that loss, which was a terrible idea.

Saying Roy doesn't have a chin now dating all the way back to his prime is laughable at best.

Because he WAS hit, and he DID take them.




On that note, I don't think he could beat EVERYONE at LHW, but the fact there is only a handful (2-4) LHWs out there that people would favor over him is a testament to how good he was, because I personally think he was a SMW blown up to LHW.

At SMW, however... nobody.

Fact is he didnt get KOed til he was 35, and dropped down two weight classes.

Contrary to popular belief he HAS BEEN HIT in his prime and took the punches fine... By Nard, Toney, Griffin, Mccallum, Hill... they all hit him.

A 230lb John Ruiz hit him with flush right hands consecutively in the first round... HE TOOK THEM.... JUST..... FINE.
There really isn't any of those you mention that at LHW would compare favourably as far as punch goes to Foster, Spinks, Charles and Moore.

There really isn't any of those you mention that at LHW would compare favourably as far as punch goes to Foster, Spinks, Charles and Moore.

And you really didn't provide me with any proof that Roy just didn't have a chin in his prime... Just that he got knocked out when he was 35 after dropping weight.

Now that takes away from his prime?

I am not even saying those guys couldn't hurt Roy.. I am saying the conclusion that Roy didn't have a chin is BS.

And you really didn't provide me with any proof that Roy just didn't have a chin in his prime... Just that he got knocked out when he was 35 after dropping weight.

Now that takes away from his prime?

I am not even saying those guys couldn't hurt Roy.. I am saying the conclusion that Roy didn't have a chin is BS.
Look at my post. I said that Roy didn't have a chin that compared to his talent (or something like that). But maybe you're not referring to me?

Still none of the guys you mention at LHW compares to my guys as far as punch goes. You're not really trying to sell the notion that Roy had a chin of granite in his LHW days are you?

no one never seen anyone fight if they disagree with someone around here

i suspect you've never seen most of spinks fights accept his ones against complete bums?
seriously, awkward style isn't the word, it's weak as ****, he just wasn't that good

i think you kids need to get off roys nuts for a second and stop posting **** about fighters you have no knowledge off

why are jones fans so over-sensitive,someone presents them with a valid argument and they get all butthurt like a bunch of 12 year olds,which they probably are-might explain it

i think you kids need to get off roys nuts for a second and stop posting **** about fighters you have no knowledge off

why are jones fans so over-sensitive,someone presents then with a valid argument and they get all butthurt like a bunch of 12 year olds,which they probably are-might explain it

No need to generalize Roy fans, just be specific..

I disagreed with the TS.

Look at my post. I said that Roy didn't have a chin that compared to his talent (or something like that). But maybe you're not referring to me?

Still none of the guys you mention at LHW compares to my guys as far as punch goes. You're not really trying to sell the notion that Roy had a chin of granite in his LHW days are you?

Jones had all the skills to beat anybody in the history of the division. Unfortunately he didn't possess a chin to complement those skills.

You pretty clearly said it right here. I understand you included "to complement his skills" but to me you pretty much declared his chin as glass.

I am not arguing or debating the guys you mentioned could hurt Jones... they could hurt ANYBODY. I am simply saying your conclusion that Roy just didn't have a chin in his prime is based on...... nothing really. because when he WAS hit in his prime.. he took them fine.

Whether or not he could take them from the fighters you mentioned is another matter, but I am discussing your conclusion that Roy just didn't have a chin when he was at his peak.

Yet Spinks was only ko'd at heavyweight by Tyson and Roy was put to sleep by Tarver and Johnson who probaly wouldn't even crack the top 5 lightheavies Spinks fought.

Am I mistaken or are you the guy who also claimed Roy would beat Ali? Give it a rest already.

no, i don't remember ever saying roy would beat ali

but i do post alot of sarcasm in these boards, could you direct me to this post?

I'd pick Charles, Tunney, Foster and Spinks over him and give Conn, Fitzsimmons and Moore a good shot at beating him. Im sure there are others I will think of later.

Tunney would have been interesting and the two of them probably makes a dull fight where no one leads. In that sort of affair, Jones has the advantage because he can just flash flurry on occasion.

Foster would decapitate him. Literally. Spinks might too but his style might make it all a chess match. The five inch height advantage would be a big factor for Jinx. Charles could match Jones in speed and power and had more fighter in him; I can't see Jones beating him in any scenario.

I don't see any light heavyweight beating him, in his prime. The man was simply untouchable and unbeatable.

With all due respect, Charles, Moore, Tunney, Fitzsimmons, Spinks and Foster wouldn't be able to beat Jones.

i think maybe he mightve beaten 1 or 2 of em but the rest of him im not to sure....dont get me wrong i mean RJJ is really good...but who knows who he could have beaten....

Tunney would have been interesting and the two of them probably makes a dull fight where no one leads. In that sort of affair, Jones has the advantage because he can just flash flurry on occasion.

Foster would decapitate him. Literally. Spinks might too but his style might make it all a chess match. The five inch height advantage would be a big factor for Jinx. Charles could match Jones in speed and power and had more fighter in him; I can't see Jones beating him in any scenario.

I dont think CHarles could match him in speed, but definitely power... if not moreso.

i think you kids need to get off roys nuts for a second and stop posting **** about fighters you have no knowledge off

why are jones fans so over-sensitive,someone presents them with a valid argument and they get all butthurt like a bunch of 12 year olds,which they probably are-might explain it

hold on a sec, is this not a forum? where you post your opinion?
how are you so sure your right? stfu, even if he were to be the underdog if the fight was to happen doesn't mean he couldn't dominate or stop spinks, it's my opinion and i happen to think im pretty good at predicting who'll win a fight(mosley-margarito, hopkins-pavlik, haye-valuev, pacquiao-oscar, pacquiao-cotto and dirrell-froch which should've been dirrell)

I dont think CHarles could match him in speed, but definitely power... if not moreso.

I didn't think so either for a while based on seeing him at Heavy. I got a chance to see his rematch at Light Heavy with Marshall a couple years ago and changed my mind. His technique was crisp, his right hand just was whoa, and the speed was right there.

I didn't think so either for a while based on seeing him at Heavy. I got a chance to see his rematch at Light Heavy with Marshall a couple years ago and changed my mind. His technique was crisp, his right hand just was whoa, and the speed was right there.

I have not seen the fight so I cannot comment... interesting points.

Losing to Ezzard Charles is no knock on anyones resume anyways.

I don't think Roy could beat everyone in this history of the division... I do think if you were to make a hypothetical "super six" of the LHWs in history, you would want Roy in there... which speaks a lot for his ability.

Charles was just a beast at light heavyweight before the killing of Sam Baroudi. The few films that we have of prime Charles do not disappoint.

Bob Foster at 6'3, nearly 80 inch reach would be a very difficult match-up for the smaller 5'10 Jones. Can he get past the reach without tasting the power of Foster?

Roy Jones vs Harold Johnson would be a great match-up between amazing athleticism vs flawless technique. Of course Harold Johnson was a trendemous athlete himself.

I think Tunney was more capable of "leading" than given credit for. In fact he was usually the "stalker" in many of his light heavyweight bouts. He walked down Georges Carpentier and Tommy Gibbons, controlling both fights with the jab and broke them down to the body. Of course there's the question whether an old timer could compete with a super athlete in Jones but on film Tunney is pretty fast himself, enough to impress and convince the great Muhammad Ali of his skills.

The likes of Lloyd Marshall and Jimmy Bivins could also be difficult for Jones from what I've seen.

Charles was just a beast at light heavyweight before the killing of Sam Baroudi. The few films that we have of prime Charles do not disappoint.

Bob Foster at 6'3, nearly 80 inch reach would be a very difficult match-up for the smaller 5'10 Jones. Can he get past the reach without tasting the power of Foster?

Roy Jones vs Harold Johnson would be a great match-up between amazing athleticism vs flawless technique. Of course Harold Johnson was a trendemous athlete himself.

I think Tunney was more capable of "leading" than given credit for. In fact he was usually the "stalker" in many of his light heavyweight bouts. He walked down Georges Carpentier and Tommy Gibbons, controlling both fights with the jab and broke them down to the body. Of course there's the question whether an old timer could compete with a super athlete in Jones but on film Tunney is pretty fast himself, enough to impress and convince the great Muhammad Ali of his skills.

The likes of Lloyd Marshall and Jimmy Bivins could also be difficult for Jones from what I've seen.

I really don't see how Jones could beat Ezzard... anything is possible with Roy when he was at his peak as far as outboxing, counterpunching and moving... but he would have to fight the perfect fight.


And 5'11" Damnit!

Archie Moore would've knocked him clean out
Archie Moore, Spinks.... LOL, Old school fighters aint ***** compared to new school. your probably the same idiots that use old school fighters as a way of showing your boxing knowledge. RJJ beats anybody in history in his prime. RJJ was UNREAL in his PRIME. He rivaled GOD

roy was 6'0 in his prime




















true story

Archie Moore, Spinks.... LOL, Old school fighters aint ***** compared to new school. your probably the same idiots that use old school fighters as a way of showing your boxing knowledge. RJJ beats anybody in history in his prime. RJJ was UNREAL in his PRIME. He rivaled GOD

Here's a guy Ezzard Charles beat twice:

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Archie Moore, Spinks.... LOL, Old school fighters aint ***** compared to new school. your probably the same idiots that use old school fighters as a way of showing your boxing knowledge. RJJ beats anybody in history in his prime. RJJ was UNREAL in his PRIME. He rivaled GOD

dont do that, your making me seem like a bigger ******* than i really am

You pretty clearly said it right here. I understand you included "to complement his skills" but to me you pretty much declared his chin as glass.

I am not arguing or debating the guys you mentioned could hurt Jones... they could hurt ANYBODY. I am simply saying your conclusion that Roy just didn't have a chin in his prime is based on...... nothing really. because when he WAS hit in his prime.. he took them fine.

Whether or not he could take them from the fighters you mentioned is another matter, but I am discussing your conclusion that Roy just didn't have a chin when he was at his peak.
So I didn't say his chin was glassy (although it might have been). You simply misread what I wrote. Just because he took some shots from some fine middleweights doesn't make him the owner of a granite chin at LHW IMO.

So I didn't say his chin was glassy (although it might have been). You simply misread what I wrote. Just because he took some shots from some fine middleweights doesn't make him the owner of a granite chin at LHW IMO.

Right, because Tarver didnt hit him at all in their first fight.. he is clearly a middleweight. Virgil Hill (A career LHW-CW), Gonzalez (A career LHW) Montell Griffin (Career LHW).. James Toney(Who moved up to LHW then to CW then to HW afterwards)... all clearly Middleweights. 229lbs John Ruiz who floored Evander... CLEARLY... CLEARLY.... a middleweight.

And you don't need to say "Roy Jones had a glass chin" to CLEARLY imply it.

WTF... BAT, be unbiased.

Archie Moore, Spinks.... LOL, Old school fighters aint ***** compared to new school. your probably the same idiots that use old school fighters as a way of showing your boxing knowledge. RJJ beats anybody in history in his prime. RJJ was UNREAL in his PRIME. He rivaled GOD

Wow.............

Right, because Tarver didnt hit him at all in their first fight.. he is clearly a middleweight. Virgil Hill (A career LHW-CW), Gonzalez (A career LHW) Montell Griffin (Career LHW).. James Toney(Who moved up to LHW then to CW then to HW afterwards)... all clearly Middleweights. 229lbs John Ruiz who floored Evander... CLEARLY... CLEARLY.... a middleweight.

And you don't need to say "Roy Jones had a glass chin" to CLEARLY imply it.

WTF... BAT, be unbiased.
The guys you mentioned was "Nard, Toney, Griffin, Mccallum, Hill".

Hopkins, Toney and Mccallum I would say are clearly below LHW. Hill was an LHW. A lightpunching one at that. Griffin .... ok.

You please be unbiased and don't twist my words.

The guys you mentioned was "Nard, Toney, Griffin, Mccallum, Hill".

Hopkins, Toney and Mccallum I would say are clearly below LHW. Hill was an LHW. A lightpunching one at that. Griffin .... ok.

You please be unbiased and don't twist my words.

Hill was a LHW and went on to get a CW belt as well.. Griffin, ANTONIO TARVER.. JOHN RUIZ... who was, clearly ABOVE LHW.

And even in your argument, you say these guys didn't hit harder than the fighters he fought... yet how does that prove what Roy could or couldn't take in his prime?

Was he ever hurt, rocked, stunned wobbled in his prime? NO... So where is your evidence he didn't have the chin to go along with his capabilities?

Clearly being outweighed by 30lbs and getting hit FLUSH by a LEGIT prime heavyweight is more proof of him having a chin, then you suggesting he didn't.

Hill was a LHW and went on to get a CW belt as well.. Griffin, ANTONIO TARVER.. JOHN RUIZ... who was, clearly ABOVE LHW.

And even in your argument, you say these guys didn't hit harder than the fighters he fought... yet how does that prove what Roy could or couldn't take in his prime?

Was he ever hurt, rocked, stunned wobbled in his prime? NO... So where is your evidence he didn't have the chin to go along with his capabilities?

Clearly being outweighed by 30lbs and getting hit FLUSH by a LEGIT prime heavyweight is more proof of him having a chin, then you suggesting he didn't.
I was referring to the guys you mentioned in your post. Why twist my words?

I take it that you think prime Roy had a chin made of iron?

I was referring to the guys you mentioned in your post. Why twist my words?

I take it that you think prime Roy had a chin made of iron?

Why not talk about what I just said...

How am I twisting your words? Did you not say he did not have the chin to go along with his capabilities? We're talking prime Roy Jones right? Where is this evidence?

James Toney was weight drained.

That is all.

Holyfield ruins him.

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del valle was also landing alot of leather before the KD

Holyfield ruins him.
Holyfield would be to green at that stage in his career, but I could see him beating Jones at CW and HW

Why not talk about what I just said...

How am I twisting your words? Did you not say he did not have the chin to go along with his capabilities? We're talking prime Roy Jones right? Where is this evidence?
Hey Reed. Why continue when you just want to follow your own agenda?


Check out this classic instead:

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Hey Reed. Why continue when you just want to follow your own agenda?


Check out this classic instead:

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:rofl: :rofl:

You can't answer the question can you?

Instead you post a video of 41 year old Roy Jones... Brilliant.

:rofl: :rofl:

You can't answer the question can you?

Instead you post a video of 41 year old Roy Jones... Brilliant.
What question? Was there a question?

So you think prime Roy has an iron chin right?

What question? Was there a question?

So you think prime Roy has an iron chin right?

What evidence is there that ROy didnt have the chin to go along with his capabilities in the prime of his career?

No need to put words in my mouth, like you just accused me of doing... I never said that.

Roy Jones beat the legendary Richard Frazier
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What question? Was there a question?

So you think prime Roy has an iron chin right?

Prime Jones had a solid chin, if not better. You don't go 50 fights without taking some big shots.

Roy Jones beat the legendary Richard Frazier
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jones had to fight frazier or they would've stripped him of his title

jones had to fight frazier or they would've stripped him of his title
Yeah I know I just listen to the interview

Bob Foster, Ezzard Charles and Michael Moorer would not be guaranteed wins for Jones, for starters.

Here's a guy Ezzard Charles beat twice:

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Very nice vid

Fact is he didnt get KOed til he was 35, and dropped down two weight classes.

Contrary to popular belief he HAS BEEN HIT in his prime and took the punches fine... By Nard, Toney, Griffin, Mccallum, Hill... they all hit him.

A 230lb John Ruiz hit him with flush right hands consecutively in the first round... HE TOOK THEM.... JUST..... FINE.

Yep. I agree with this. Here's prove.....
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Paulie

No way Jones is better than Ezzard Charles. While I think Jones is better than Michael Spinks I'd still favor Spinks head to head as I feel he'd be a stylistic nightmare for Jones.

Poet

No way Jones is better than Ezzard Charles. While I think Jones is better than Michael Spinks I'd still favor Spinks head to head as I feel he'd be a stylistic nightmare for Jones.

Poet

i think it would be an insult to charles to even entertain the idea that he was

:rofl: :rofl:

You can't answer the question can you?

Instead you post a video of 41 year old Roy Jones... Brilliant.

I wouldn't bother debating with Battling Nelson. The guy refuses to acknowledge the greatness of modern fighters and nuthugs the older ones, he can't accept that sometimes the modern guys would beat the old timers. Case in point, he tried to argue Battling Nelson would beat Floyd Mayweather, and that Joe Gans would beat Floyd under today's rules.

I'm suprised he even uses the internet, I would have thought that would be too "modern" for him.

He probably still thinks the sun and planets revolve around the earth, and that if you sail too close to the edge you will fall off.

i think it would be an insult to charles to even entertain the idea that he was

Ezzard Charles was one of the finest fighters p4p I've ever seen.

Poet

Hey Reed. Why continue when you just want to follow your own agenda?


Check out this classic instead:

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Wow, post a video of the guy getting embarrassed in his 40's. That really makes a point. Someone could just as easily post one of Charles' or someone elses losses at the end of his career.

For the record, Roy wouldn't beat every LHW ever, there's too many good fighters there to go through them all without a loss, but as usual on here we get the resident dinosaurs saying he gets knocked out in a round by all of them.

RJJ was a fantastically talented fighter I personally like him at SMW.
He was impressive at LHW but his resume at that weight pales against a lot of names that have been thrown up here.
I think the fellow that said he would make up a good super 6 tournament might have it near enough.
I think Charles, Tunney, Moore, Spinks have his measure, I'd have him in the Moorer and Foster bracket.
He'd give any fighter a fight tho

Ezzard Charles was one of the finest fighters p4p I've ever seen.

Poet

i wish i could see more of the guy

i wish i could see more of the guy

Yeah, me too. I've got:

Charles - Bivins IV
Charles - Holman II
Charles - Louis
Charles - Layne III
Charles - Satterfield
Charles - Wallace
Charles - Walcott I
Charles - Walcott II
Walcott - Charles III
Walcott - Charles IV
Marciano - Charles I
Marciano - Charles II

I'd love to find more :)

Poet

Prime Jones had a solid chin, if not better. You don't go 50 fights without taking some big shots.
That's true to some extent. The opponents he faced wasn't really big punchers though. We do know that he got KTFO by boxers not famed for their punch, as he got older.

What would have happened had he faced some of the guys he avoided in favour of Pazienza and others?

Oh dear, 18 seriously deluded people.

That's true to some extent. The opponents he faced wasn't really big punchers though. We do know that he got KTFO by boxers not famed for their punch, as he got older.

What would have happened had he faced some of the guys he avoided in favour of Pazienza and others?

Who did Jones avoid in 1995?

Who did Jones avoid in 1995?

I made the post below to show who Jones didn't fight:

No need to flame here on the historyboard noob. You can do that on NSB all day if you feel like it.

The list i posted is researched in the sense that it's a list of all the ranked supermiddleweights Roy DIDN'T fight when he was fighting there + the obvious in Michalszevski.

Jones was in essense fighting in the 168 lb division from 1993 until 1996.

Keys:

RED = Eventually fought them or fought them already
BLUE = Fought them in that year.

The year end rankings of 1992 looked like this:

1: Michael Nunn
2: Iran Barkley
3: Chris Eubank
4: Victor Cordoba
5: Nigel Benn
6: Tim Littles
7: Darrin Van Horn
8: Tony Thornton
9: Frankie Liles
10: Frank Nicotra

He fought Thornton in 1995.

1993:

1: James Toney
2: Michael Nunn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Nigel Benn
5: Tim Littles
6: Darrin Van Horn
7: Frankie Liles
8: Tony Thornton
9: Antoine Byrd
10: Vincenzo Nardiello


1994: Jones enters the list at no. 1 after beating Toney.

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Frankie Liles
5: Vinny Pazienza
6: Tim Littles
7: Michael Nunn
8: Ray Close
9: Graciano Rocchigiani
10: Antoine Byrd


1995:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Steve Collins
4: Frankie Liles
5: Tim Littles
6: Vinny Pazienza
7: Bryant Brannon
8: Henry Wharton
9: Michael Nunn
10: Ray Close


1996:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Frankie Liles
3: Steve Collins
4: Vinny Pazienza
5: Robin Reid
6: Henry Wharton
7: Michael Nunn
8: Vincenzo Nardiello
9: Joseph Kiwanuka
10: Thulani Malinga

At the end of 1996 Jones had moved up.

So Jones work after 4 years at 168 lb consist of an excellent win over Toney and not much else:

Toney
Thornton
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd
Brannon

Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight (or ducked .....) is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Let's face it. A Nunn or a Benn or a Eubank or a Liles or even a Collins would have been real nice.

I made the post below to show who Jones didn't fight:
Jones low balled Nunn so that fight didn't happen, not sure what happened with Liles, I heard it was either due to Liles being signed with King or Jones not being interested. Im confused on what actually happened with a Benn fight, Benn was up for it. Eubank had no interest in unifying the belts As for Collins well what can I say.

I made the post below to show who Jones didn't fight:

To avoid or duck something it has to be coming at you. Who of those was going after Jones?

To avoid or duck something it has to be coming at you. Who of those was going after Jones?
My guess would be that all of them wanted a shot at Jones at a reasonable purse.

Hill was a LHW and went on to get a CW belt as well.. Griffin, ANTONIO TARVER.. JOHN RUIZ... who was, clearly ABOVE LHW.

And even in your argument, you say these guys didn't hit harder than the fighters he fought... yet how does that prove what Roy could or couldn't take in his prime?

Was he ever hurt, rocked, stunned wobbled in his prime? NO... So where is your evidence he didn't have the chin to go along with his capabilities?

Clearly being outweighed by 30lbs and getting hit FLUSH by a LEGIT prime heavyweight is more proof of him having a chin, then you suggesting he didn't.

Lou De Valle put him down and hurt him real bad. He was just a **** fighter that couldn't do anything about it. Or was that not in his prime?

Anyway, I don't think Jones' chin was bad at all. He did though have a sweet spot that if hit, he was going down. He just never got hit there during his prime apart from by De Valle. Yes, many fighters go through their whole career without getting hit there, or get hit once and go down.

It is only about whether you get hit on a certain spot. Jones was good enough to rarely get hit on that spot until he had slowed a bit. I personally don't think it had to do with his weight drain stuff. He was probably going to get tagged there whether or not he was drained.

If those punches landed (Johnson, Tarver, Green) landed on Jones in his prime I'm positive he would have had the same trouble with them that he did later. He may have gotten out of that trouble in Green's case and would have gone on to win, but the others? I don't think so.

Lou De Valle put him down and hurt him real bad. He was just a **** fighter that couldn't do anything about it. Or was that not in his prime?

Roy got knocked down, he got right back up, smiled... and continued to go after del valle for the rest of the fight. I never said he hadn't been knocked down... but he was not rocked, or wobbling all around like in the Danny Green fight.. Roy was just a **** fighter? :rofl:

Roy got knocked down, he got right back up, smiled... and continued to go after del valle for the rest of the fight. I never said he hadn't been knocked down... but he was not rocked, or wobbling all around like in the Danny Green fight.. Roy was just a **** fighter? :rofl:

Huh? Sorry mate, you lost me.


You don't think he was rocked in that fight? One thing Jones was very good at was acting not hurt, like Mayweather, let me tell you though, Jones was badly hurt against De Valle. You can't see it in his movement. You can see it in his smile.

:rofl: @ you for thinking Jones wasn't rocked when he got knocked down. Getting knocked down is just a little bit worse than being rocked. Mayweather was rocked against Corley. Jones was ****ing knocked down and hurt against De Valle. Big difference.

Huh? Sorry mate, you lost me.


You don't think he was rocked in that fight? One thing Jones was very good at was acting not hurt, like Mayweather, let me tell you though, Jones was badly hurt against De Valle. You can't see it in his movement. You can see it in his smile.

:rofl: @ you for thinking Jones wasn't rocked when he got knocked down. Getting knocked down is just a little bit worse than being rocked. Mayweather was rocked against Corley. Jones was ****ing knocked down and hurt against De Valle. Big difference.

He wasn't hurt :rofl: :rofl:

LOL @ "You couldn't see it... but I knew." :rofl:


Sure thing.

He wasn't hurt :rofl: :rofl:

LOL @ "You couldn't see it... but I knew." :rofl:


Sure thing.

What? Take it easy fella. You're being too defensive about this. I'm not saying any of the **** you're thinking I am.

I'm not saying I can see but you can't. I am saying it was very easy to see that he was in fact quite bloody hurt. Maybe you're seeing what you want to see because he smiled. Of course when every boxer smiles after being knocked down that means they aren't hurt.

Anyway, I think I'll leave you to your sensitive Jones madness. No point in even trying to discuss it.

Oh, and BTW, go back to the first post. It was De Valle I was saying was too **** to do anything. Too sensitive to see what being written mate. Relax.

:nonono:

What? Take it easy fella. You're being too defensive about this. I'm not saying any of the **** you're thinking I am.

I'm not saying I can see but you can't. I am saying it was very easy to see that he was in fact quite bloody hurt. Maybe you're seeing what you want to see because he smiled. Of course when every boxer smiles after being knocked down that means they aren't hurt.

Anyway, I think I'll leave you to your sensitive Jones madness. No point in even trying to discuss it.

Oh, and BTW, go back to the first post. It was De Valle I was saying was too **** to do anything. Too sensitive to see what being written mate. Relax.

:nonono:

He was hurt in the Danny Green fight, with wobbled legs, swaying on the ropes... taking 5 seconds to get up... thats hurt.

He stood straight up within 2 seconds, walked forward and then del valle smothered himself. There was nothing indicating he was hurt.

I thought you said "he was too **** to do anything" meaning Roy. My fault on that.

I always thought of Roy Jones Jr. at his best at SMW not LHW. At LHW I'd favor a few guys to beat him.

Roy Jones chin is solid; the problem with him is that throughout his career he never really learned to correctly block punches, he simply used his freakish reflexes to avoid them. Once he got older his reflexes faded but he still tried avoiding punches by pure instincts. This led to him getting clocked by punches without him even having an idea that they were coming. Even the most granite chinned fighters will get in trouble if they get clocked by punches that they don't even know are coming. Jones’s chin is not great but not terrible it is simply average.

My guess would be that all of them wanted a shot at Jones at a reasonable purse.

So you can only guess that Jones avoided them. You seem pretty convinced for being guessing.

Lou De Valle put him down and hurt him real bad. He was just a **** fighter that couldn't do anything about it. Or was that not in his prime?

Anyway, I don't think Jones' chin was bad at all. He did though have a sweet spot that if hit, he was going down. He just never got hit there during his prime apart from by De Valle. Yes, many fighters go through their whole career without getting hit there, or get hit once and go down.

It is only about whether you get hit on a certain spot. Jones was good enough to rarely get hit on that spot until he had slowed a bit. I personally don't think it had to do with his weight drain stuff. He was probably going to get tagged there whether or not he was drained.

If those punches landed (Johnson, Tarver, Green) landed on Jones in his prime I'm positive he would have had the same trouble with them that he did later. He may have gotten out of that trouble in Green's case and would have gone on to win, but the others? I don't think so.
there's no sweet spot, jones has been ko'd to the chin, ko'd t the back of the head, ko'd right on the ear/side of the forehead aka temple

yea, if johnson could keep landing on a prime jones all through the fight and wear him down then maybe, i would'nt say he went down from the johnson punch just because it landed on a sweet spot, he got worn down

and jones was stunned, if he was badly hurt he would'nt have been walkin in straight line like it was nothin, the smile to del valle looks like it came because of embarrassment, you can see him gettin a bit frustrated with the ref because he's sayin he's "aight" but the ref keeps askin and he was still lookin to counter with his hands down, if he was badly hurt the first punch honey boy threw would've showed how his legs were gone

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and another thing about your sweet spot theory, did you ever watch jones-castro? i know he wasn't a big puncher, but it doesn't always take a big puncher to knock someones head off

now people are here argueing about jones not fighting big punchers, that's why his chin wasn't exposed earlier, well man, i think that shows that even you(not necessarily you, but in general) deep down believe jones had a solid chin, and it'd take a huge puncher(mcclellan, jackson etc that can KO someone with an iron chin anyway) to have exposed jones

somehow reggie johnson who put tarver on his ass, put toney on his ass, ko'd guthrie with a right hook(and proceeded to land that right hook on jones) isn't enough, it takes gerald mcclellan and julian jackson :nonono:

Huh? Sorry mate, you lost me.


You don't think he was rocked in that fight? One thing Jones was very good at was acting not hurt, like Mayweather, let me tell you though, Jones was badly hurt against De Valle. You can't see it in his movement. You can see it in his smile.

:rofl: @ you for thinking Jones wasn't rocked when he got knocked down. Getting knocked down is just a little bit worse than being rocked. Mayweather was rocked against Corley. Jones was ****ing knocked down and hurt against De Valle. Big difference.

He wasn't badly hurt against Del Valle. He seemed pretty fine, actually. Unless a smile is what you're going by.

So you can only guess that Jones avoided them. You seem pretty convinced for being guessing.
How's that? I said that those were the fighters he didn't fight.

He wasn't badly hurt against Del Valle. He seemed pretty fine, actually. Unless a smile is what you're going by.
It was not a push down. It was a knock down. Jones couldn't control his legs. He was hurt alright. So you think he was pretty fine? Well he survived that's right but he was definetely hurt.

I wouldn't put any emphasis on whether the fighter smiles or not. Fighters are liars in the ring. Doing everything they can to fool their opponent. Here Jones tries to fool Del Valle. I don't know he suceeded in that, but evidently he did fool some posters on this board...

How's that? I said that those were the fighters he didn't fight.

That the fights did not happen is a fact.

That somoene avoided someone is an opinion, unless backed up by more facts than the fight not happening.

You said he avoided them.

That the fights did not happen is a fact.

That somoene avoided someone is an opinion, unless backed up by more facts than the fight not happening.

You said he avoided them.
I said he avoided said fighters in favour of Paz and others. How can that not be a fact as well?

I said he avoided said fighters in favour of Paz and others. How can that not be a fact as well?

Could be. Might not be.

Could be. Might not be.
Really? I guess my command of the english language is lacking or you guys are nitpicking.

I said he avoided said fighters in favour of Paz and others. How can that not be a fact as well?

He definitely could've helped himself in these mythical matchups if he'd fought some of those guys like Michael Nunn or even one of Eubank, Benn, Collins, Michaelzewski (sp,) etc.

Really? I guess my command of the english language is lacking or you guys are nitpicking.

I think you need to differentiate between fights not happening and someone ducking/avoiding fights.

no one really fought the englishmen anyway
wonder why

no one really fought the englishmen anyway
wonder why

Cuz no one outside of the U.S. is ever any good, obviously.

Funny though how today, when there is finally Worldwide competition, the U.S. no longer dominates.

Cuz no one outside of the U.S. is ever any good, obviously.

Funny though how today, when there is finally Worldwide competition, the U.S. no longer dominates.

Finally? You mean there wasn't before?

I think you need to differentiate between fights not happening and someone ducking/avoiding fights.
He did fight Paz instead of several more deserving fighters, wheter it being because of Jones giving low-ball offers, no offers at all or simply because the others would not want a crack at Jones is unsaid.

I think it's the first but am a bit to lazy to look through the papers at that particular timeperiod. I think the point I tried to make was getting through; Jones resumé is lacking.

i think james toney would beat roy jones at light heavy all day long. i know he lost at super middle, but he later said he didnt train that hard and if you watch the fight roy just runs the whole fight and toney is never hurt.( the silly slip which is always on highlight reel knockouts that is just poor doesnt count ) also i think anyone with a decent chin who can deal with roys left hook would stand a good chance: joe calzaghe, aurthur abraham, kelly pavlik, hopkins ect.

i would love to see hagler vs roy jones, just to see how good roy was either at middle or supermiddle.

He did fight Paz instead of several more deserving fighters, wheter it being because of Jones giving low-ball offers, no offers at all or simply because the others would not want a crack at Jones is unsaid.

I think it's the first but am a bit to lazy to look through the papers at that particular timeperiod. I think the point I tried to make was getting through; Jones resumé is lacking.

He offered Benn and Eubank, specifically, career-high offers.

I said he avoided said fighters in favour of Paz and others. How can that not be a fact as well?

You avoid something that's coming at you. If it's not coming at you, you are not avoiding it. By definition.

Cuz no one outside of the U.S. is ever any good, obviously.

Funny though how today, when there is finally Worldwide competition, the U.S. no longer dominates.

There's always been worldwide competition. The problem you're having is that Europe is the minor leagues. That's why by definition a Euro fighter can't be "ducked": It's like saying the New York Yankees are ducking the Toledo Mudhens.

Poet

He offered Benn and Eubank, specifically, career-high offers.
What was that? A career high 90-10 split?

And when was that?

Basically you're saying that Benn and Eubank ducked Jones.

You avoid something that's coming at you. If it's not coming at you, you are not avoiding it. By definition.
So none of the others wanted Jones then?

What was that? A career high 90-10 split?

And when was that?

Basically you're saying that Benn and Eubank ducked Jones.

Is that any different from what you're saying?

So none of the others wanted Jones then?

You tell me, since you seem to be convinced they were.

Is that any different from what you're saying?
How can it be the same?

Bob Foster knocks him out clean and Archie Moore Cracks him to another dimension. Other then them 2, i see Jones having a shot at winning but he didn't fight any great or very good fighters at light heavy. And the ones he did fight he lost too when he was passed his very best or past his prime. Tarver, Johnson, and Calzaghe. I believe Spinks would tear him up too.

21 idiots and counting

How can it be the same?

Doesn't matter to me either way. Just pointing out they were offered seven figure, career-high paydays and turned it down.

This question is a riot. Even if you want to over rate Jones and pretend he's the greatest LHW of all time, it's absurd to suggest he'd beat every LHW in the history of the sport. No one beats everyone. No one. Calling him untouchable is even more foolhardy. The non spectacular Lou Del Valle put him on his ass in '98.

In all honesty Jones was better as a MW and SMW.

Roy was a great lhw, they all have a shot though. I like Spinks right hand.

Doesn't matter to me either way. Just pointing out they were offered seven figure, career-high paydays and turned it down.
According to Jones, lord knows what the real terms of those contracts where like. Nigel Benn was practically broke going into the McClellan fight he owned the taxman hundreds of thousands of pounds. Which is why he took the McClellan fight over his mandatory defence, which was Michael Nunn. He was offered around 500k to fight Nunn but around 750K to fight McClellan. Both McClellan and Benn were told that the winner of McClellan-Benn would face the winner of Toney-Jones.He wanted that Jones fight to secure the future of his family, he was hoping to get around 6m. He was constantly asking his manager and King to try and make a deal. Jones claimed he made Benn an offer, but when did he make it? Benn had been calling him out since the McClellan fight and was retired after the Malinga fight, so when did Jones make him that offer?
His manager Peter Defreitas tells all this to Kevin Mitchell and it is in his book War Baby: The glamour of violence. Kevin Mitchell doesnt go into details but he said himself that Jones had no intention of ever fighting either fighter.

Eubank would of turned down an offer from Jones around 94-95, because he had his 10m deal with Sky to fight 8 fights against his mandatories. But after he had lost twice to Collins in 95 and realized that he was also hundreds of pounds in debt like Benn he asked Roy for a fight in 96.

knocked out Roy in the latter rounds. Eubank called out Roy around 1996, and in my opinion the reason that Roy wouldn't fight Eubank is because he'd seen what had happened to his friend Gerald McClellan on that tragic night against Benn, and in the back of his mind Roy
http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4223&more=1

This question is a riot. Even if you want to over rate Jones and pretend he's the greatest LHW of all time, it's absurd to suggest he'd beat every LHW in the history of the sport. No one beats everyone. No one. Calling him untouchable is even more foolhardy. The non spectacular Lou Del Valle put him on his ass in '98.

In all honesty Jones was better as a MW and SMW.
Normally we dont agree on stuff, but good points

What was that? A career high 90-10 split?

And when was that?

Basically you're saying that Benn and Eubank ducked Jones.
I seriously doubt he made decent offers to either fighter. James Toney during a conversation with sportswriter Donald McRae said that HBO were upset with Jones because he didn't want to fight anyone anymore and that was after the Eric Lucas fight. This is covered in the boxing book called the Dark Trade by Donald McRae.

In April 2006, when Jones was mulling whether he would fight again, I asked former HBO Sports president Seth Abraham for his thoughts on this enigma wrapped in a riddle.

“His drive was to do things that were of interest to him, but not necessarily to fight the very best middleweights, super middleweights and light heavyweights who were out there,” Abraham responded. “I think Roy’s legacy in the sport absolutely will suffer because he chose not to do everything he could to make himself as great as he might have been.”
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/6327/boxing-mantle-roy-jones-legacy/
Seth Abraham specifically says supermiddleweights, if Jones was going around making these great deals then it would make no sense for Abraham to say this.

According to Jones, lord knows what the real terms of those contracts where like. Nigel Benn was practically broke going into the McClellan fight he owned the taxman hundreds of thousands of pounds. Which is why he took the McClellan fight over his mandatory defence, which was Michael Nunn. He was offered around 500k to fight Nunn but around 750K to fight McClellan. Both McClellan and Benn were told that the winner of McClellan-Benn would face the winner of Toney-Jones.He wanted that Jones fight to secure the future of his family, he was hoping to get around 6m. He was constantly asking his manager and King to try and make a deal. Jones claimed he made Benn an offer, but when did he make it? Benn had been calling him out since the McClellan fight and was retired after the Malinga fight, so when did Jones make him that offer?
His manager Peter Defreitas tells all this to Kevin Mitchell and it is in his book War Baby: The glamour of violence. Kevin Mitchell doesnt go into details but he said himself that Jones had no intention of ever fighting either fighter.

Eubank would of turned down an offer from Jones around 94-95, because he had his 10m deal with Sky to fight 8 fights against his mandatories. But after he had lost twice to Collins in 95 and realized that he was also hundreds of pounds in debt like Benn he did asked Roy for a fight in 96.


http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4223&more=1


jones offered benn some good money, but benn defienetly didn't want to fight jones, asking for 10 millions and then even admitting he didn't think he could win

yea, eubank turned down an offer saying he's afraid of jones then wants to fight jones when he's washed up and just needs a payday

uhh no

jones offered benn some good money, but benn defienetly didn't want to fight jones, asking for 10 millions and then even admitting he didn't think he could win
Benns biggest payday at that time was the 1m he got in Eubank II. Jones biggest payday was around 2m+ he got fighting Toney, how on earth is he going to ask for 10m from Jones? Jones biggest fight at that time was the Toney-Jones fight and the purse total was 6m. It didnt matter whether he thought he could win or not, even his mangaer said he didnt think he could win, but he still wanted the fight. He took 0.75m to fight McClellan but now his turning down millions to fight Jones according to who?You?


yea, eubank turned down an offer saying he's afraid of jones then wants to fight jones when he's washed up and just needs a payday
uhh no
Eubank in his autobiography said that he was afraid of Benn as well but that didnt stop him from fighting him twice. He said himself in his autobiography that a fight with Jones's would be a war which would most probably shave years of his boxing career. The guy fought Benn*2, Watson*2, Collins*2, Rochianngi (in Germany), Calzaghe on two weeks notice and the WBO CW champ Carl Thompson*2 and you are telling me that fear would make him turn down millions especially when his in debt?
It doesn't matter anyway, was he offered a mega payday in 96 or not?

ok, look at it this way, at 168, it was widely known that the competition had run out on jones, we got video proof of HBO announcing steve collins and frankie liles turning down big money offers to fight jones, we have video proof of jones answering his critics saying he offered nigel benn and chris eubank big money offers which they turned down


DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF ANY OF THESE FIGHTERS SAYING THIS IS'NT TRUE?
WHY WAS IT CONSTANTLY BEING SAID THAT JONES HAS NO ONE TO FIGHT

jones became reluctant roy at lightheavyweight, and the only reason for that is because of him saying he'd fight this and that heavyweight, and it'd never happen

that should end all of yoru arguements right there

all i know is if i see someone on tv saying i ducked him when it isn't true, im gonna expose him

ok, look at it this way, at 168, it was widely known that the competition had run out on jones, we got video proof of HBO announcing steve collins and frankie liles turning down big money offers to fight jones, we have video proof of jones answering his critics saying he offered nigel benn and chris eubank big money offers which they turned down

DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF ANY OF THESE FIGHTERS SAYING THIS IS'NT TRUE?
WHY WAS IT CONSTANTLY BEING SAID THAT JONES HAS NO ONE TO FIGHT

Riddick Bowe made an offer to Lennox Lewis the terms were a 75/25% split and if Lewis won then he had to give around 20% of his next 5 fights to Bowe. Did he make Lewis an offer? Yes. Whats it any good? No
Just because a fighter makes another fighter an offer doesn't mean the offer is good. Benn and Eubank are in debt but they are turing down mega paydays according to who, Jones? So because he says something its true?

steve collins:
"The fight that would have kept me in boxing was against Roy Jones. But he has ducked me for two years, even though Frank Warren, my promoter, did everything to make it happen."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-collins-announces-his-retirement-1233703.html

Roy Jones:
Was it the case too that you couldn't get a fight?

"I could get all the fights I want. That's no problem. There are always guys out there."

[/b]Like Steve Collins?[/b]

"Well, I don't know about that."

You know him right?

"I heard him talking a little bit."

About wanting to fight you?

"Yeah."

And you never took him up on it?

"I ain't wasting my time coming all the way over there to see him, to fight him. He talked all he wanted but if he wanted to fight Roy Jones jnr, then he comes, he takes time out, he asks me. Not the other way around. That's not the way it works."

Some people thought that you were scared?

"Some people don't know ****. I'd fight anyone but they come to me. I'm still fighting anyone who wants to fight me. Whatever happened to him anyway? I have my fun, he'd have been no different. "
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-collins-announces-his-retirement-1233703.html
Does this sound like he made Collins an offer?

When Jones cruised to a stoppage of a 39-year old moonlighting police officer, Collins defiantly climbed into the ring. As Larry Merchant was interviewing Jones, Collins said “I’m here, Roy.” Merchant ignored Collins but apologized to the HBO audience for the sorry fight. “I always thought Jones was chinny,” Collins told Boxing Monthly, “From the way he fought, Jones himself knew, if he got caught flush, he’d go, and shied away from certain scenarios in the ring.”
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/7149/jones/
According to you Collins turned down a career high payday and then he was still chasing Jones years later?


jones became reluctant roy at lightheavyweight, and the only reason for that is because of him saying he'd fight this and that heavyweight, and it'd never happen

that should end all of yoru arguements right there
Larry Merchant:

Look at Sugar Ray Leonard. When they had the round robin in the 80’s with Duran, and Hearn’s, he fought in six of those fights. He was willing to fight anybody. But Mayweather does not have that same attitude, and neither did guys like Roy Jones for example. Roy Jones bypassed several fighters we all thought he should have fought, and he didn’t care what we thought. (Chuckle).
http://doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Cassell012409.htm

all i know is if i see someone on tv saying i ducked him when it isn't true, im gonna expose him

But that is you, not everyone thinks like you. Collins did finally get an offer from Roy but that was after he had been retired for 18 months, lol

James Toney during a conversation with sportswriter Donald McRae said that HBO were upset with Jones because he didn't want to fight anyone anymore and that was after the Eric Lucas fight. This is covered in the boxing book called the Dark Trade by Donald McRae.

i posted and article and told you this before, did you forget already?

collins chased jones, yea we know, but when jones stopped running and turned around, he offered collins a big watt of cash, i posted the article where collins says he wanted more money

and im sure larry merchant is talking about roy in his super middleweight days, yea....

(that last sentence was sarcasm by the way)

But that is you, not everyone thinks like you. Collins did finally get an offer from Roy but that was after he had been retired for 18 months, lol

James Toney during a conversation with sportswriter Donald McRae said that HBO were upset with Jones because he didn't want to fight anyone anymore and that was after the Eric Lucas fight. This is covered in the boxing book called the Dark Trade by Donald McRae.

i know, you love that book so much, im sure more than a couple of the pages are stuck together

i posted and article and told you this before, did you forget already?

collins chased jones, yea we know, but when jones stopped running and turned around, he offered collins a big watt of cash, i posted the article where collins says he wanted more money

and im sure larry merchant is talking about roy in his super middleweight days, yea....

(that last sentence was sarcasm by the way)
All fighters fight for fame and money, they want to leave the sport with their health in tact and money in the bank. I cannot see how a bunch of fighters are going to turn down mega paydays to fight Jones. They may lose sure, but with so many belts and so many divisons im sure thay can get their hands on another belt. People were terrified of Tyson but fighting him gave them mega paydays, which is why Tyson was never short of opponents. So you want me to believe that Tyson never ran out of oppostion but Jones did? What do the other SMW's say about Jones offers, did you check on that?

When did he make that offer to Collins was it before the Brannon fight or after?

EDIT:Ive just checked my old thread, you never posted the article.

i know, you love that book so much, im sure more than a couple of the pages are stuck together
I always quote my sources, when I can.

But that is you, not everyone thinks like you.

bull****, no boxer who expects to keep his reputation intact would let a lie like that slide

your coming with theory's, im giving you facts

bull****, no boxer who expects to keep his reputation intact would let a lie like that slide

your coming with theory's, im giving you facts
Your giving me your opinions, not facts. For example McCallum accused Hagler of ducking him, even though he was never Hagler's mandatory and Hagler lets it slide. Calzaghe claims that Collins ducked him, even though Collins wanted his mega fight with Roy and couldn't be bothered to fight an unknown mandatory. Benn at the time of that HBO talk would of been retired and getting into his whole christian thing, so why would he care what Roy was saying at that point.Turn the other cheek and all that stuff.

Your giving me your opinions, not facts. For example McCallum accused Hagler of ducking him, even though he was never Hagler mandatory and Hagler lets it slide.

you've seen the video, HBO saying they offered the money(you think it's a lie? that's your problem), you got another video where jones says he offered benn and eubank a fight, they declined(you dont believe again? your problem)

im givin you this and all you have is, "riddick bowe made an offer to lennox lewis, but if lewis won, bowe would be able to choose who lewis had to fight next so that must mean roy jones ducked every 168 pounder" or "mike tyson is scary, but people still fight mike tyson, because od the payday, now why would those guys duck jones, when they could get a big payday?" <--- opinion

what i posted, FACT

until you can give me proof of any of those fighters disaproving what jones/HBO said on video, then it means **** all

stop trying so hard, come back to me when you've got PROOF

until you can give me proof of any of those fighters disaproving what jones/HBO said on video, then it means **** all

stop trying so hard, come back to me when you've got PROOF

And if Roy Jones says it it MUST be da troof huh? :rofl:

Poet

And if Roy Jones says it it MUST be da troof huh? :rofl:

Poet
you think jones was thinkin "i'll just lie to everyone on camera, im sure none of those bums can even afford a TV so im in the safe"
yea, i guess HBO lied too
everyones lieing about jones offering these guys a fight
and yet
i don't see anyone denying it :fing02:

just some forum guys all "that's bull****"/"i dont believe that"/ and my personal favourite "everyone is lieing but i have no proof :chairshot"

you think jones was thinkin "i'll just lie to everyone on camera, im sure none of those bums can even afford a TV so im in the safe"
yea, i guess HBO lied too
everyones lieing about jones offering these guys a fight
and yet
i don't see anyone denying it :fing02:

just some forum guys all "that's bull****"/"i dont believe that"/ and my personal favourite "everyone is lieing but i have no proof :chairshot"

Fighters make self-serving statements all the time. It's not a question of why would he lie but rather why wouldn't he. While I don't think Jones ducked any of the Euro fighters I know better than to trust anything an active fighter says when the cameras are rolling. Jones is a fighter not a saint.

Poet

you've seen the video, HBO saying they offered the money(you think it's a lie? that's your problem), you got another video where jones says he offered benn and eubank a fight, they declined(you dont believe again? your problem)
I've seen the video with Jones saying that he offered mega paydays to the other champions in the divison, but were they good offers? That we do not know. I bet if someone asked the other guys their take on the offer, they may say something totally different. Eubank is broke, doesn't have a belt, calling out Jones in 96, but he is turning down a megapay. Collins is chasing him for a mega payday, retires because he cant get a fight and he is turning down a mega payday. Benn is on video asking for a fight, he has to keep fighting to secure a future for his family, but he is turning down a mega payday. And this all makes sense to you? What were the offers like? Would they get any of the ppv money? Was the purse split 60/40 or 90/10 etc etc?


im givin you this and all you have is, "riddick bowe made an offer to lennox lewis, but if lewis won, bowe would be able to choose who lewis had to fight next so that must mean roy jones ducked every 168 pounder" or "mike tyson is scary, but people still fight mike tyson, because od the payday, now why would those guys duck jones, when they could get a big payday?" <--- opinion
what i posted, FACT
I posted the Riddick Bowe offer to Lewis to highlight the fact that offers from one fighter to another can be crap, which is why they get turned down.
What you posted was not fact, your from the "Roy says something so I will believe it school". Roy says that he was still affected from the weight loss even though it happened about 7 years ago, can I assume you believe that as well? I didnt want to beat Tarver because my dad will get the credit, or what about I would of beat Calzaghe, but I had a cut.What about Danny Green had casts on his hands, but I decided to risk my life for the fans? lol :dance:

I've seen the video with Jones saying that he offered mega paydays to the other champions in the divison, but were they good offers? That we do not know. I bet if someone asked the other guys their take on the offer, they may say something totally different.

and samurai hits us with yet another, OPINION, amazing :fing02:

Fighters make self-serving statements all the time.

Poet

Yet here we are waxing poetic about...Steve Collins. That's like saying Manny Pacquiao is ducking Nate Campbell.

Fighters make self-serving statements all the time. It's not a question of why would he lie but rather why wouldn't he. While I don't think Jones ducked any of the Euro fighters I know better than to trust anything an active fighter says when the cameras are rolling. Jones is a fighter not a saint.

Poet

your right man, but with it being on video, coming out of the lips of the man, then a it coming from people that are deeply involved in the sport, it's alot more legit than the quotes from fans or some random reporter who heard this and that fighter say this and that, know what i mean?

and samurai hits us with yet another, OPINION, amazing :fing02:
I said they may not would, say something different.

I posted the Riddick Bowe offer to Lewis to highlight the fact that offers from one fighter to another can be crap, which is why they get turned down.
What you posted was not fact, your from the "Roy says something so I will believe it school". Roy says that he was still affected from the weight loss even though it happened about 7 years ago, can I assume you believe that as well? I didnt want to beat Tarver because my dad will get the credit, or what about I would of beat Calzaghe, but I had a cut.What about Danny Green had casts on his hands, but I decided to risk my life for the fans? lol :dance:

:rofl:

someones getting a little desperate

Yet here we are waxing poetic about...Steve Collins. That's like saying Manny Pacquiao is ducking Nate Campbell.

I wouldn't trust anything Steve Collins says either :)

Poet

I wouldn't trust anything Steve Collins says either :)

Poet
Welcome to boxingscene where the fans talk about boxing non stop, lol

EDIT: Just for you Poet I may start another Pac/May/Roid/Bling Bling thread instead, we dont have enough of those, lol:bigeyes:

Welcome to boxingscene where the fans talk about boxing non stop, lol

EDIT: Just for you Poet I may start another Pac/May/Roid/Bling Bling thread instead, we dont have enough of those, lol:bigeyes:

Yeah, we haven't had any Mayweather bling-bling boat buying threads in a while lmao :rofl:

Poet