a non MMAer comes into the UFC and spanks it's top fighters like he's their daddy with bare minimum training for that particular sport.

Could anyone ever do that in Boxing!?



This should lead us to conclude one of two things.

Either a) the UFC is crap or b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.


What do you vote?

Brock Lesnar exposed the Heavyweight Division. Much like Nikolai Valuev he's a lesser fighter but uses his size and strength to win fight more than anything. No matter what the skill level a 280lb man is going to beat a 220lb man in a fight 9 times out of 10. Troll somewhere else amigo...

Brock Lesnar exposed the Heavyweight Division. Much like Nikolai Valuev he's a lesser fighter but uses his size and strength to win fight more than anything. No matter what the skill level a 280lb man is going to beat a 220lb man in a fight 9 times out of 10. Troll somewhere else amigo...

Plus Brock was in wresting(real not wwe) back in the day, he always was involved in physical activities and he is 280-290 pounds, how do you get him off you? You can't..

Lesnar was a NCAA Div-1 champion wrestler not a unskilled gorilla as you make him out to be.

despite the stereotype...a lot of wwe wrestlers are real athletes...think about what it takes to throw around a 250 pound guy for 20 minutes...run around a ring and jump off ****...then do it 280 days out of the year...fake or not...a lot of those guys are in shape...then brock lesner is a true collegiate athlete...i do agree that a lot of people in mma have been exposed...but it's mainly the heavyweight division...they have let their size get them too far...brock is stopping that...truthfully...i think he's good for the sport...everyone has to really get in shape and sharpen their skills to fight him...or he will gorilla stomp them into the ground...

definitely exposed it while boxing is about skill UFC is just about whos bigger and stronger.

Hasim Rahman only had ten amateur bouts.
A few boxers have done it.

a non MMAer comes into the UFC and spanks it's top fighters like he's their daddy with bare minimum training for that particular sport.

Could anyone ever do that in Boxing!?



This should lead us to conclude one of two things.

Either a) the UFC is crap or b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.


What do you vote?

2x NCAA wrestling champion

****ing retard

definitely exposed it while boxing is about skill UFC is just about whos bigger and stronger.

biggest load of **** ive ever read

fedor, 6 ft 230 lbs regularly smashes people who outweight him by 30+ lbs

do I need to remind you what happened back in the early 90s when 170 lbs royce gracie stepped up?

you mother is a whore

despite the stereotype...a lot of wwe wrestlers are real athletes...think about what it takes to throw around a 250 pound guy for 20 minutes...run around a ring and jump off ****...then do it 280 days out of the year...fake or not...a lot of those guys are in shape...then brock lesner is a true collegiate athlete...i do agree that a lot of people in mma have been exposed...but it's mainly the heavyweight division...they have let their size get them too far...brock is stopping that...truthfully...i think he's good for the sport...everyone has to really get in shape and sharpen their skills to fight him...or he will gorilla stomp them into the ground...

the heavyweight division has been a joke for so long because most great athletes that size are doing stuff like NFL, that is changing now as more money goes into MMA

biggest load of **** ive ever read

fedor, 6 ft 230 lbs regularly smashes people who outweight him by 30+ lbs

do I need to remind you what happened back in the early 90s when 170 lbs royce gracie stepped up?

you mother is a whore

because fedor fights in the ufc?

and what happend with royce? he was unable to knock out a single opponet? simply overly fast and able to submit people that were slower and bigger then him. such a thing would never happen in todays UFC as a person of 170 lb would never fight any heavy weight and if they did they would be fighting some one that knows bjj and bjj defense unlike almost all of royces early opponents.

i think every now and then monsters are born: george foreman arguably one of the best heavyweights of all time but with small amount of technical ability. marius pudzinouski barely a sratch over 6 foot and 5 times world strongest man competing against guys 150 pounds heavier. right up to usane bolt who at 6'5 can run faster and out accelerrate any smaller stockier runner. thruth is tyson hit the nail on the head when someone asked him why tommy hearns hits so hard. they said "do you think its because of his long arms and leverage" and tyson replied " no, its becuase his got dynomite"

plently of men walking the street probably have arms as long as hearns, but would they have hit duran so hard with that straight right. i doubt it. hopefully from what i'v heard marious might be joining ufc and fighting lesnar anyway. so maybe the quality of opponents will increase in the heavyweight divison.

and whats with people not respecting pure strength and physical dominents i mean how can you say lesnar "exposed" the ufc. i mean the guys a beast. and as for minimum training... everytime a jujitsu guy practised his throw technique lesnar was in the gym getting massive, and while a kickboxer was streching his legs, lesnar was getting massive and by the time the two fight you usually have a semi decent fighter one end of the cage ready to work his game plan and at the other side theres brock, pure power and unrelenting aggression. i know whos shoes id rather be in.

biggest load of **** ive ever read

fedor, 6 ft 230 lbs regularly smashes people who outweight him by 30+ lbs

do I need to remind you what happened back in the early 90s when 170 lbs royce gracie stepped up?

you mother is a whore

woow wooow easy tiger. lol

because fedor fights in the ufc?

and what happend with royce? he was unable to knock out a single opponet? simply overly fast and able to submit people that were slower and bigger then him. such a thing would never happen in todays UFC as a person of 170 lb would never fight any heavy weight and if they did they would be fighting some one that knows bjj and bjj defense unlike almost all of royces early opponents.

thats not the point, UFC is an MMA org and fedor fights MMA, and wtf is wrong with you knockout is not the only way to win a fight why would royce go for a knockout when his speciality is BJJ?, skill beats size most times, gsp was smaller than thiago alves yet he tooled him, josh koscheck smashed anthony johnson whose what 210 lbs or something ridiculous? bj penn was dwarfed by matt hughes when he first fought him and pwned him, he was beating hiim in the second fight then broke a rib. just because everyone has some knowledge of BJJ doesnt mean they are remotely near the same level, compare demian maias bjj to rampage's lol he lightyears ahead. take two fighters of equal skill, yes the larger one will usually win, but not all fighters are of equal skill. your argument is invalid.

thats not the point, UFC is an MMA org and fedor fights MMA, and wtf is wrong with you knockout is not the only way to win a fight why would royce go for a knockout when his speciality is BJJ?, skill beats size most times, gsp was smaller than thiago alves yet he tooled him, josh koscheck smashed anthony johnson whose what 210 lbs or something ridiculous? bj penn was dwarfed by matt hughes when he first fought him and pwned him, he was beating hiim in the second fight then broke a rib. just because everyone has some knowledge of BJJ doesnt mean they are remotely near the same level, compare demian maias bjj to rampage's lol he lightyears ahead. take two fighters of equal skill, yes the larger one will usually win, but not all fighters are of equal skill. your argument is invalid.

which argument was that? that earlier ufc was designed to make bjj look awesome by having a small fast guy fight big slow guys using a style they had barely even herd of and royces accomplishment really dosnt mean anything? or that todays HEAVYWEIGHT devision of ufc is not about skill but solely about size? cause i dont think you said anything that disproves the validity of my argument.

and im not sure what your talking bout with anthony johnson but hes listed as being 170 lb. and even if thats preflight weigh in i don't see how he can increase his body mass by 25% in a day.

a non MMAer comes into the UFC and spanks it's top fighters like he's their daddy with bare minimum training for that particular sport.

Could anyone ever do that in Boxing!?



This should lead us to conclude one of two things.

Either a) the UFC is crap or b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.


What do you vote?

I'm going to ask a question and I want you to answer as honestly as you can. Okay?

Do you know how to use Google?

If you don't use Google, do you know how to use bing?

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Because the "WWE" bull**** needs to stop and not many of you understand or seen that Minn. Wrestling is a force unto itself.

not only did he expose the UFC, he exposed this entire joke of a 'sport', and i use the term 'sport' very loosely......even in War there are certain rules and a certain amount of respect shown between the 2 opposing sides, eg, don't attack the injured, red cross vehicles, etc....hitting a man when he is down and on the floor is a disgrace....there is no honour in that.....MMA has no respect

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Lesnar was a NCAA Div-1 champion wrestler not a unskilled gorilla as you make him out to be.

exactly,
unlike kimbo

not only did he expose the UFC, he exposed this entire joke of a 'sport', and i use the term 'sport' very loosely......even in War there are certain rules and a certain amount of respect shown between the 2 opposing sides, eg, don't attack the injured, red cross vehicles, etc....hitting a man when he is down and on the floor is a disgrace....there is no honour in that.....MMA has no respect

You never been in a war either.

Lesnar was a NCAA Div-1 champion wrestler not a unskilled gorilla as you make him out to be.

With that logic though a champion boxer is just as qualified as brock lesnar was in his debut

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not only did he expose the UFC, he exposed this entire joke of a 'sport', and i use the term 'sport' very loosely......even in War there are certain rules and a certain amount of respect shown between the 2 opposing sides, eg, don't attack the injured, red cross vehicles, etc....hitting a man when he is down and on the floor is a disgrace....there is no honour in that.....MMA has no respect
Can someone get a facepalm for this?

I myself find it difficult to respect this so called sport.How can one respect an athlete who will damn near kill himself just to gain an advantage over his opponent? These so called athlete's will dehydrate themselves and literally sweat off twenty to thirty pounds to make a weight class that they are far too big to compete in.

Doesn't help that they all have glass jaw's and can't throw a correct punch save their backsides either.

a non MMAer comes into the UFC and spanks it's top fighters like he's their daddy with bare minimum training for that particular sport.

Could anyone ever do that in Boxing!?



This should lead us to conclude one of two things.

Either a) the UFC is crap or b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.


What do you vote?

Your logic is flawed.

and what happend with royce? he was unable to knock out a single opponet?

What does a knockout have to do with being a skilled fighter? The answer is nothing

simply overly fast and able to submit people that were slower and bigger then him

Wrong Again. He won with seeming ease because nobody had any idea what he was doing. BJJ is about leverage and technique, it was never about physical attributes.


not only did he expose the UFC, he exposed this entire joke of a 'sport', and i use the term 'sport' very loosely......even in War there are certain rules and a certain amount of respect shown between the 2 opposing sides, eg, don't attack the injured, red cross vehicles, etc....hitting a man when he is down and on the floor is a disgrace....there is no honour in that.....MMA has no respect
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Think before you speak again. There are tons of classless displays in boxing and in virtually every sport.



I myself find it difficult to respect this so called sport.How can one respect an athlete who will damn near kill himself just to gain an advantage over his opponent?

I fail to see what you are referring to. But either way, damn someone for trying to gain an edge, right? :rolleyes:


These so called athlete's will dehydrate themselves and literally sweat off twenty to thirty pounds to make a weight class that they are far too big to compete in.

If you sweat 30lbs you'd be dead. There is more to weight cutting than jumping in a sauna.

Not to mention I can see why it would be hard for a boxing fan to understand being the weight classes in boxing are separated by like 3lbs, and boxers still act like pansies when they have to jump a weight class to fight a bigger opponent.

And boxing elitists claim their sportsmen are "warriors". Boxers are paper chasers more than fighters these days.

Doesn't help that they all have glass jaw's and can't throw a correct punch save their backsides either.

This straw argument has been done to death.

Boxers only have to worry about boxing.

MMA fighter have to worry about multiple things.

Hence if ones focus is only directed towards getting better at one thing, of course they are going to be better at it than someone who has to worry about 2,3 or 4 different arts. I'm pretty sure a retard can figure out this simple formula.

The cage favors wrestlers. The ring favors strikers.

LOL alot of you sound like defense attorneys, fact is Brock wrestled like 6-7 years ago, and went to wrestling and then to MMA he did expose it and those who say otherwise, Shane Mosley wrestled...

LOL alot of you sound like defense attorneys, fact is Brock wrestled like 6-7 years ago, and went to wrestling and then to MMA he did expose it and those who say otherwise, Shane Mosley wrestled...

Well then I guess that Don Frye, Dan Severn, Mark Coleman, Randy Couture, Kevin Randleman and Matt Hughes exposed the UFC as well.

Oh and Dan Henderson and Kid Yamamoto exposed Pride, as it were.

LOL alot of you sound like defense attorneys, fact is Brock wrestled like 6-7 years ago, and went to wrestling and then to MMA he did expose it and those who say otherwise, Shane Mosley wrestled...

the only thing he exposed is the heavyweight division (mainly because most of the real athletic people that size are doing other sports like american football)

imagine you scaled brock down to the size of a welterweight so he fought in the ww division, he wouldnt be anywhere near where he is today because everyone he'd be fighting would be near his size.

Lesnar was a NCAA Div-1 champion wrestler not a unskilled gorilla as you make him out to be.

Well then I guess that Don Frye, Dan Severn, Mark Coleman, Randy Couture, Kevin Randleman and Matt Hughes exposed the UFC as well.

lesnar has real athletic ability, people need to forget about the 6 years he spent in WWE wrestling, if u take out the "fake" wrestling and just look at his amateur record, 110- 6, big ten champ twice, NCAA div 1 champ once, fans would be drooling all over themselves to see him in MMA. severn and hughes were both very one dimensional wrestlers like brock who did very well in the octagon

a non MMAer comes into the UFC and spanks it's top fighters like he's their daddy with bare minimum training for that particular sport.Could anyone ever do that in Boxing!?
This should lead us to conclude one of two things.
Either a) the UFC is crap or b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.
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This guy Marc Mero won four New York State titles, including the New York Golden Gloves tournament...

If you sweat 30lbs you'd be dead. There is more to weight cutting than jumping in a sauna.



There are a number of mmgay fighters who will rehydrate and put on close to thirty pounds when they enter the cage.It's disgusting and pathetic that another athlete would try and gain such an advantage over his opponent.



Not to mention I can see why it would be hard for a boxing fan to understand being the weight classes in boxing are separated by like 3lbs, and boxers still act like pansies when they have to jump a weight class to fight a bigger opponent.


You have no clue what you are talking about.Those weight classes that are separated by three pounds are the lighter weight classes in which just an extra pound or two does matter.In your so called sport,all but a few fight in a weight class that is two weight classes below their natural weight.


And boxing elitists claim their sportsmen are "warriors". Boxers are paper chasers more than fighters these days.



You'd have a stronger argument in calling a man who takes punches in the head for a living a warrior than you would a glass jawed grappler who cuts weight to avoiding fighting men his own size.


This straw argument has been done to death.

Boxers only have to worry about boxing.

MMA fighter have to worry about multiple things.

Hence if ones focus is only directed towards getting better at one thing, of course they are going to be better at it than someone who has to worry about 2,3 or 4 different arts. I'm pretty sure a retard can figure out this simple formula.


One of the many common cliche's used by the average mmgay fan to defend their sport.And what the f*ck does any of this have to do with them being glass jawed grapplers?


The reason why mmgay have such piss poor boxing has every thing to do with the fact that boxing as an art is alot more difficult to master and learn than rolling around on the floor with another man.I can give you quotes from Frank Shamrock(who knows a hell of alot more on your precious sport than you) who will tell you the same thing.

There are a number of mmgay fighters who will rehydrate and put on close to thirty pounds when they enter the cage.It's disgusting and pathetic that another athlete would try and gain such an advantage over his opponent.

News flash moron, Boxers cut weight too. Also it is impossible to gain 30lbs in 24 hours, unless you eat a small child. Which Brock might do....






You have no clue what you are talking about.Those weight classes that are separated by three pounds are the lighter weight classes in which just an extra pound or two does matter.In your so called sport,all but a few fight in a weight class that is two weight classes below their natural weight.

Wrong again. Show me one instance where someone weighing 3lbs more than someone else ever made a difference. Also, most fighters only drop 1 class below there natural weight. I can only think of one person who had dropped 2 weight classes and that's Deigo Sanchez.




You'd have a stronger argument in calling a man who takes punches in the head for a living a warrior than you would a glass jawed grappler who cuts weight to avoiding fighting men his own size.

You must have a nack for being wrong. I love how you assume that every MMA fighter starts off as a grappler. Also, if every one of these "glass jawed *******" cuts a weight class doesn't that mean that they are all fighting people their own size? Flawed logic much?





One of the many common cliche's used by the average mmgay fan to defend their sport.And what the f*ck does any of this have to do with them being glass jawed grapplers?


The reason why mmgay have such piss poor boxing has every thing to do with the fact that boxing as an art is alot more difficult to master and learn than rolling around on the floor with another man.I can give you quotes from Frank Shamrock(who knows a hell of alot more on your precious sport than you) who will tell you the same thing.

Again with assuming all MMA fighters started off as grapplers. Even if they did, Jiu Jitsu and Wrestling have been around alot longer than your precious slap and tickle. Oh, the reason MMA figthers have piss poor boxing is because traditonal boxing will not work for MMA, the stance alone is begging for a double leg, not to mention in MMA, you have to be on the look out for kicks, knees, clinching, and a variety of other techniques that boxing doesn't cover.

Anyone else notice that every boxing fan that has posted in this thread has avoided my Nikolai Valuev statement like the plague?

I have never understood the hate toward MMA that boxing fans have. I've always been a fan of boxing and all combat sports. I hate soccer, doesn't mean I go into Soccer discussion boards and say "Hey ******s, american football is much better blah blah blah. So either these b!tch ass mods need to get these trolls under control, or you really just hate on a sport you can easily ignore but choose not too...

UFC is exposed as a fake ass sport. No talent needed, Brock owned the whole UFC lmfao..

I'm a huge fa.ggot, please rape my face...


UFC isn't a sport, it's a brand. Troll elsewhere...

News flash moron, Boxers cut weight too. Also it is impossible to gain 30lbs in 24 hours, unless you eat a small child. Which Brock might do .



"weight is usually 85kg. I had a little trouble hitting the weight now, but as a very power and drills I can lose 15kg to fight. And on the day of the fight I'm 13kg and above category that's fantastic."


http://www.tatame.com.br/2008/01/14/Gleison-Tibau






Wrong again. Show me one instance where someone weighing 3lbs more than someone else ever made a difference. Also, most fighters only drop 1 class below there natural weight. I can only think of one person who had dropped 2 weight classes and that's Deigo Sanchez.

They didn't drop in weight classes because most been fighting at that weight for a long time.These mmgay fighters who will try to make a weight class that is two divisions below their natural weight.The likes of Thiago Alves,Anthony Johnson,Forrest Griffin,Sean Sherk,Gleison Tibau,Jon Fitch,Alan Belcher,Paul Daley and many others don't belong in their current weight classes.


You must have a nack for being wrong. I love how you assume that every MMA fighter starts off as a grappler. Also, if every one of these "glass jawed *******" cuts a weight class doesn't that mean that they are all fighting people their own size? Flawed logic much?


Either a glass jawed grappler or some crappy striker who found it easier to roll around on the floor than throw a correct punch.


Some "glass jawed *******" will cut down and rehydrate up to even more than the average glass jawed grappler






Again with assuming all MMA fighters started off as grapplers. Even if they did, Jiu Jitsu and Wrestling have been around alot longer than your precious slap and tickle. Oh, the reason MMA figthers have piss poor boxing is because traditonal boxing will not work for MMA, the stance alone is begging for a double leg, not to mention in MMA, you have to be on the look out for kicks, knees, clinching, and a variety of other techniques that boxing doesn't cover.



A common cliche used by a common mmgay fan to apologise for his sports lack of skill.


Swinging and flailing your arms at some other guy isn't adapting your own boxing,it's having very limited training in boxing and not being coached by real professionals.





Anyone else notice that every boxing fan that has posted in this thread has avoided my Nikolai Valuev statement like the plague?

I have never understood the hate toward MMA that boxing fans have. I've always been a fan of boxing and all combat sports. I hate soccer, doesn't mean I go into Soccer discussion boards and say "Hey ******s, american football is much better blah blah blah. So either these b!tch ass mods need to get these trolls under control, or you really just hate on a sport you can easily ignore but choose not too...



Nikolai Valuev has only ever been beaten by other professionals who operate or having operated at a world class level.Nikolai Valuev worked his way up and didn't rely on some professional wrestling company to build his name for him.


You will find that it was the side of mmgay who started these debates and arguments.Your whole precious sport has built it's history over slagging off boxing,even when it's not relevant.


It's the highschool mentality of those within the mmgay community to lash out at those who bite back

UFC is exposed as a fake ass sport. No talent needed, Brock owned the whole UFC lmfao..

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"weight is usually 85kg. I had a little trouble hitting the weight now, but as a very power and drills I can lose 15kg to fight. And on the day of the fight I'm 13kg and above category that's fantastic."


http://www.tatame.com.br/2008/01/14/Gleison-Tibau


If Tibau is carrying 30lbs of water weight on him he needs to go see a Dr.




They didn't drop in weight classes because most been fighting at that weight for a long time.These mmgay fighters who will try to make a weight class that is two divisions below their natural weight.The likes of Thiago Alves,Anthony Johnson,Forrest Griffin,Sean Sherk,Gleison Tibau,Jon Fitch,Alan Belcher,Paul Daley and many others don't belong in their current weight classes.

Why not? the only one of those people who have any kind of size advantage in there divisions is Alves. Griffin, Johnson, Sherk, Fitch, Belcher, and Daley all fight people that are roughly there size on fight night. So I'm failing to see the problem....





Either a glass jawed grappler or some crappy striker who found it easier to roll around on the floor than throw a correct punch.


Some "glass jawed *******" will cut down and rehydrate up to even more than the average glass jawed grappler

Yeah, just because a world class Muay Thai or Kickboxer doesn't do regular boxing there striking is garbage. Wasn't that former heavy weight champion Ray Mercer I seen giving up and crying after one kick to the head from Remy Bonjaski? Again you're stuck on a weight cutting issue that doesn't really effect any weight class but Heavyweight because that's the only weight class with a gap big enough to make a difference in a fight.










A common cliche used by a common mmgay fan to apologise for his sports lack of skill.


Swinging and flailing your arms at some other guy isn't adapting your own boxing,it's having very limited training in boxing and not being coached by real professionals.



Lack of skill where? Fanboys cannot get it thru there heads that a sport that involves takedowns cannot be fought by pure strikers. Anyone who actually believes that traditional boxing would work is a complete moron and I am shocked that they can operate a computer. Yeah, no fighter trains with pro boxers. Howard Grant was an olympian, he's GSPs boxing coach, The Nog brothers train with the Cuban Olympic boxing team, and the list goes on.







Nikolai Valuev has only ever been beaten by other professionals who operate or having operated at a world class level.Nikolai Valuev worked his way up and didn't rely on some professional wrestling company to build his name for him.

So if we put Valuev's skill in someone say RJJ's size, he'd of still won world titles? Forget about the WWE for a minute, and focus on real wrestling, where Brock was a division 1 wrestler with only 3 loses his whole college career, but I assume college and olympic wrestling are fake too....







You will find that it was the side of mmgay who started these debates and arguments.Your whole precious sport has built it's history over slagging off boxing,even when it's not relevant.

It's the highschool mentality of those within the mmgay community to lash out at those who bite back

I've never met a mma fan who has anything bad to say about boxing unless they're speaking of Duckweather. It's boxing fans who lashed out, because people where enjoying another combat sport that wasn't boxing. Dana White and his lackeys are really the only people I know that have been negative towards boxing, but all promoters do **** to try and draw attention to their companies and fights...

a non MMAer comes into the UFC and spanks it's top fighters like he's their daddy with bare minimum training for that particular sport.

Could anyone ever do that in Boxing!?




This should lead us to conclude one of two things.

Either a) the UFC is crap or b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.


What do you vote?

get your uninformed ass on somewhere before YOU get exposed by true boxing and mma fans

Yeah, just because a world class Muay Thai or Kickboxer doesn't do regular boxing there striking is garbage. Wasn't that former heavy weight champion Ray Mercer I seen giving up and crying after one kick to the head from Remy Bonjaski? Again you're stuck on a weight cutting issue that doesn't really effect any weight class but Heavyweight because that's the only weight class with a gap big enough to make a difference in a fight.



This is how desperate mmgay fans really are.You use a fat,Hepatitis B suffering 44 year old boxer who came to throw a fight.


Care to point out where this "world class" striking is?





Lack of skill where? Fanboys cannot get it thru there heads that a sport that involves takedowns cannot be fought by pure strikers. Anyone who actually believes that traditional boxing would work is a complete moron and I am shocked that they can operate a computer. Yeah, no fighter trains with pro boxers. Howard Grant was an olympian, he's GSPs boxing coach, The Nog brothers train with the Cuban Olympic boxing team, and the list goes on.



Throwing winging punches isn't skill,it's a clear lack of it.Most mmgay fighters elect to strike rather than roll around on the floor....No combinations,very little footwork and no head movement.


Georges St Pierre spends most his time grappling with other men.The Nogueira brothers don't train with the cuban olympic boxing team,stupid.Stop parroting old lines used by Mauro Ranello in Pride.That was years ago






So if we put Valuev's skill in someone say RJJ's size, he'd of still won world titles? Forget about the WWE for a minute, and focus on real wrestling, where Brock was a division 1 wrestler with only 3 loses his whole college career, but I assume college and olympic wrestling are fake too....





He wouldn't be anywhere near as slow if he were that size.His size has been just as detrimental to his career as it has been a success.





I've never met a mma fan who has anything bad to say about boxing





You're a liar.

This is how desperate mmgay fans really are.You use a fat,Hepatitis B suffering 44 year old boxer who came to throw a fight.


Care to point out where this "world class" striking is?

It's hard to explain to closed minded boxing fans who think that punching is some kind of ultimate striking art. These dutch kickboxers who've been kickboxing all there lives have no idea how to strike huh? Or do they not know how to strike and use head movement in Boxing? A completely different sport with completely different angles and weapons. Just because it's not world class boxing does not mean it's not world class striking...






Throwing winging punches isn't skill,it's a clear lack of it.Most mmgay fighters elect to strike rather than roll around on the floor....No combinations,very little footwork and no head movement.


Georges St Pierre spends most his time grappling with other men.The Nogueira brothers don't train with the cuban olympic boxing team,stupid.Stop parroting old lines used by Mauro Ranello in Pride.That was years ago

A combo contains a kick, not a combo? It's not boxing retard. Boxing would not work. How are you not getting this? Name calling? Now who is acting like a highschool girl? Every biography on Nogueria has him training with the Cuban national team along with him saying it himself. So stop being a moron and do some investigation before you say stupid **** in a post...










He wouldn't be anywhere near as slow if he were that size.His size has been just as detrimental to his career as it has been a success.

So skill wise he's spot on right?








You're a liar.

No I'm not, every mma fan I know personally watches boxing, and we talk about boxing when a good fight is coming up. Dana White and his shills have attacked boxing before, but it's to be expected. You're angry at MMA for some reason, and apparently have some problem with anything grappling. Your answers keep getting shorter because you know your wrong and you're trying too save face. Piss off my friend, because you're losing this argument and making yourself look more and more dumb with every post...

It's hard to explain to closed minded boxing fans who think that punching is some kind of ultimate striking art. These dutch kickboxers who've been kickboxing all there lives have no idea how to strike huh? Or do they not know how to strike and use head movement in Boxing? A completely different sport with completely different angles and weapons. Just because it's not world class boxing does not mean it's not world class striking..





These dutch kickboxers who can kick and not punch correctly..it's not hard to understand.How on earth you managed to drag K-1 into the mix is lost to me also.



And you still haven't answered my question....where is this world class striking or strikers in mmgay?



A combo contains a kick, not a combo? It's not boxing retard. Boxing would not work. How are you not getting this? Name calling? Now who is acting like a highschool girl? Every biography on Nogueria has him training with the Cuban national team along with him saying it himself. So stop being a moron and do some investigation before you say stupid **** in a post..



We're talking about mmgay here,son.boxing doesn't work? Good lord,please go read book.


Stop reading wikipedia.He,nor his brother train with the cuban national team.As for name calling,I have done nothing of the sort,while you have called me a retard and a moron so far.







So skill wise he's spot on right?





Read before you post.


No I'm not, every mma fan I know personally watches boxing, and we talk about boxing when a good fight is coming up. Dana White and his shills have attacked boxing before, but it's to be expected. You're angry at MMA for some reason, and apparently have some problem with anything grappling. Your answers keep getting shorter because you know your wrong and you're trying too save face. Piss off my friend, because you're losing this argument and making yourself look more and more dumb with every post...



Yes you are.Every mmgay fan that you personally know will watch a mainstream boxing match and then talk ****e about this great sport with the rest of the closet case's over on sherdog.There are no legitimate current stars in mmgay and that makes your kind mad.

Declaring yourself the winner in an E argument doesn't make you any less of a fanboy.

No I'm not, every mma fan I know personally watches boxing, and we talk about boxing when a good fight is coming up. Dana White and his shills have attacked boxing before, but it's to be expected. You're angry at MMA for some reason, and apparently have some problem with anything grappling. Your answers keep getting shorter because you know your wrong and you're trying too save face. Piss off my friend, because you're losing this argument and making yourself look more and more dumb with every post...

i dont know about straight up insults but in arguments of one vs the other ive herd mma fans say that mma people train harder then boxers, that boxers couldnt take a single hit from a mma person in 4 oz gloves, that boxing has no real world application, that boxing is boring, that it dostn matter if you can ko some one when your laying on your back, that unless you trained to avoid take downs regardless of what training you have done theres no way to avoid take down, that mma's taking over boxing, mma requires more skill....ect. mma fans may not call boxers idiots but they will take every chance they can to discredit boxing when compared to mma.

i understand donkim's point, i dont believe he is saying that all mma strikers are bad its just there punching technique is TERRIBLE!
i honestly believe that if a half talented pro boxer learnt some wrestling defence and how to check legs kicks (just basics) they would b in the top 5 p4p rankings, theyd have to change thier stance a little but aslong as they kept the basics like proper head movement and straight calculated punches they would win almost every fight by knockout

if donkim hates MMA so much then why does he watch every event and spend so much time in this section?

sounds like a butthurt fanboy who can't come to terms with the fact that there are other popular combat sports out there

These dutch kickboxers who can kick and not punch correctly..it's not hard to understand.How on earth you managed to drag K-1 into the mix is lost to me also.



And you still haven't answered my question....where is this world class striking or strikers in mmgay?


They cannot punch correctly for boxing. It's a different sport. I dragged K-1 one in as an example. Just because their punching wouldn't work for boxing, doesn't make it not the correct for FOR THEIR SPORT. How is this not getting thru? Anderson Silva has world class Muay Thai, Paul Daley has great muay thai too. I wish I could say this louder and slower so it would sink in. IN MMA REGULAR BOXING DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE YOU WILL BE TAKEN DOWN OR KICKED. BOXING DOES NOT TEACH YOU HOW TO AVOID EITHER OF THESE SITUATIONS NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU TRAIN.






We're talking about mmgay here,son.boxing doesn't work? Good lord,please go read book.


Stop reading wikipedia.He,nor his brother train with the cuban national team.As for name calling,I have done nothing of the sort,while you have called me a retard and a moron so far.

Which book will tell about how punching stops kicks, takedowns, and other non boxing strikes and I'll go to Barnes&Nobel and buy the mother****er right now. He used to have pictures on his old website that I wish I could find, but his new one is all flash and I haven't been brushing up on my Portuguese.













Read before you post.

I did. So if you put him in Klitchkos body with his skill set he still becomes champion?






Yes you are.Every mmgay fan that you personally know will watch a mainstream boxing match and then talk ****e about this great sport with the rest of the closet case's over on sherdog.There are no legitimate current stars in mmgay and that makes your kind mad.

Declaring yourself the winner in an E argument doesn't make you any less of a fanboy.

How are you going to tell me what I am based on a web forum that I havn't visited since 2002. Find one instance where I went into NSB and started talking **** on Boxing for fun or any other reason. Doesn't happen. You boxing fanboys are the problem. Nobody here is attacking boxing, so why do you boxing fans feel the need to enter a forum marked "Mixed Martial Arts Discussion" and talk ****? Trolling? Legitimate current mma stars. GSP, BJ, Penn, Anderson Silva, Urijah Faber, Ect. Ect......

i dont know about straight up insults but in arguments of one vs the other ive herd mma fans say that mma people train harder then boxers, that boxers couldnt take a single hit from a mma person in 4 oz gloves, that boxing has no real world application, that boxing is boring, that it dostn matter if you can ko some one when your laying on your back, that unless you trained to avoid take downs regardless of what training you have done theres no way to avoid take down, that mma's taking over boxing, mma requires more skill....ect. mma fans may not call boxers idiots but they will take every chance they can to discredit boxing when compared to mma.


I don't know about training harder, I've never seen a boxer training, what I do know is that MMA fighters have too train in more things, they train their stand up, then have to come back and train their grappling. Not sure if you ever wrestled in HS, or no somebody who has, ask them about practice. I think it's retarded to say that boxers couldn't take a hit from a mma guy, boxing gloves do more damage than mma gloves because it's a larger surface hitting your head which can make your brain hit the side of your skull easier. Boxer vs. Grappler on the street I'll take the grappler every time, think about it for a second, a wrestler practices taking down people who know how to stop a takedown every day, so he should have relative ease taking down someone who doesn't know how to stop a takedown right? How is MMA taking over boxing when they're 2 different sports? MMA requires a larger skill set, but can't compare to top boxers skill in punching, just like their wrestling will not compare to Olympians and there jiu jitsu will never be as good as Rickson Gracies. I only discredit boxer who think they can be world beaters in a MMA fight, just like I would do to a MMA figter who wanted to box a top boxer...

boxing requires alot more skill and talent than mmgay.Miguel Torres even said that the training in boxing was alot harder than mmgay training.





They cannot punch correctly for boxing. It's a different sport. I dragged K-1 one in as an example. Just because their punching wouldn't work for boxing, doesn't make it not the correct for FOR THEIR SPORT. How is this not getting thru? Anderson Silva has world class Muay Thai, Paul Daley has great muay thai too. I wish I could say this louder and slower so it would sink in. IN MMA REGULAR BOXING DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE YOU WILL BE TAKEN DOWN OR KICKED. BOXING DOES NOT TEACH YOU HOW TO AVOID EITHER OF THESE SITUATIONS NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU TRAIN.



A punch is a punch.The kinds of punches you see in mmgay isn't a special kind of boxing that is adapted to mmgay,it's just a guy who throws punches like a girl.Only mmgay fans actually think there are special kinds of punches that work in their precious sport.


You've yet to actually explain how boxing doesn't work,and yet I can list you a good number of mmgay fighters who will contradict your claim.

Anderson Silva doesn't have world class muay thai and for you to claim that he has suggests an ignorance on your part.besides that,Anderson Silva has spent the last couple of his fights using his boxing skills.Paul Daley is explosive and nothing else,he doesn't have world class muay thai.


Now I will ask again,who in mmgay has world class striking?


Which book will tell about how punching stops kicks, takedowns, and other non boxing strikes and I'll go to Barnes&Nobel and buy the mother****er right now. He used to have pictures on his old website that I wish I could find, but his new one is all flash and I haven't been brushing up on my Portuguese.



You're putting words in my mouth now.Your ignorance of boxing really knows no bounds.I never said anything aout how "punching" will stop a kick or a takedown.Since when was boxing all about throwing a punch? Most mmgay fans such as yourself see it that way,but there are so many other dimensions to the art than simply throwing a punch.


And mind your potty mouth.









I did. So if you put him in Klitchkos body with his skill set he still becomes champion?



There's no way to tell.He has solid fundamental skills,especially for his size.His size makes him look like ****,when in truth he isn't.He'd be a hell of alot more mobile and quicker if he were seven inches shorter,and a hundred pounds lighter


Not to mention he didn't come into the sport and pick up a title in his fourth professional fight.


How are you going to tell me what I am based on a web forum that I havn't visited since 2002. Find one instance where I went into NSB and started talking **** on Boxing for fun or any other reason. Doesn't happen. You boxing fanboys are the problem. Nobody here is attacking boxing, so why do you boxing fans feel the need to enter a forum marked "Mixed Martial Arts Discussion" and talk ****? Trolling? Legitimate current mma stars. GSP, BJ, Penn, Anderson Silva, Urijah Faber, Ect. Ect......


None of these names are known in the mainstream.

You're delusional and naive enough to elieve that mmgay fanboys don't talk **** about the sport of boxing.You can go to any mmgay forum and find these kind of posts.


I have given a number of examples of those within the mmgay community ripping the sport of boxing in the past.Mmgay has consistently compared itself to the sport of boxing while promoting itself.Mmgay has built it's name off of bashing boxing and that is an absolute fact.

I don't know about training harder, I've never seen a boxer training, what I do know is that MMA fighters have too train in more things, they train their stand up, then have to come back and train their grappling. Not sure if you ever wrestled in HS, or no somebody who has, ask them about practice. I think it's retarded to say that boxers couldn't take a hit from a mma guy, boxing gloves do more damage than mma gloves because it's a larger surface hitting your head which can make your brain hit the side of your skull easier. Boxer vs. Grappler on the street I'll take the grappler every time, think about it for a second, a wrestler practices taking down people who know how to stop a takedown every day, so he should have relative ease taking down someone who doesn't know how to stop a takedown right? How is MMA taking over boxing when they're 2 different sports? MMA requires a larger skill set, but can't compare to top boxers skill in punching, just like their wrestling will not compare to Olympians and there jiu jitsu will never be as good as Rickson Gracies. I only discredit boxer who think they can be world beaters in a MMA fight, just like I would do to a MMA figter who wanted to box a top boxer...

im not arguing if what they say is correct or not im just saying that plenty of mma fans are willing to discredit boxing.

in a conversation with some one who wrestled in hs I made a point that my training in boxing would equip me to deal with take downs and getting away from some one wrestling me(not that i could pin them, just get back on my feet ready to box). he said for training he would run 6 miles every day of the week(i said every day, he said yes i said 42 miles a week, he said yes) and practice for 2 hours every day 40 mins of which was one solid wrestling match with out breaks(i said ever day including when you wernt in school he said yes, i said no breaks while you were wrestling he said yes). i said well lets wrestle he said he didnt want to hurt me. i said i bet you 20$ that 10 times out of 10 i will be able to avoid your take down or if im not able to avoid it i will be able to break contact and get back on my feet with contact still broken(really all he had to do was submit me once out of 10 tries). he said he didnt want to get punched, i said what? no punching just wrestling. he said he didnt want to hurt me, i said i wrestle with my friend who trains in bjj and he puts me in submissions all the time if i get hurt its my own fault but i usually dont get hurt. he said he didnt want to hurt me.....so then we got back on boxing vs mma and he still went on about how mma decimates boxing and if we were to wrestle i wouldnt even have a chance to which i said prove it to which he said he didnt want to hurt me......

so im supposed to believe they practice wrestling for 14 hours a week along with run 42 miles and spar in 40 min rounds. yeah......especially coming from someone who's not even willing to wrestle me.

I dont want to discrdit mma fighters , is entertaining to watch everynow an d then. Boxing over MMA anyday for me. All I can contribute to this post is a quote I once read about MMA , this was about 2 years ago when it first started to get really really popular Someone said. " mixed martials art fighters are the bottom of the class of the rest of their respective combat sports who never had a chance at stardom and rely on learning and combining combat sport styles so they can make it in another stage" Something like that. Hope you get the point , It pretty much tried to say those fighters didnt have the talent to make it in their sport(boxing,karate, jiu-jitsu , etc etc etc.)
so they turned to this!! I dont completely agree with these , but it has to be the case for some of these guys. It is still exciting and not anybody could do it. As for brock lesnar , he is a beast , and even if he had no training or anything , just with his body , mental thoughness , and agressiveness , u can get really far.

an mma fighter would not b able to take hard straights from a powerful boxer, one punch would b close to a knockout,

and as every fgiht starts standing if a grappler goes for a takedown all it takes is an uppercut and he will b out cold or if he tries to clich a solid straight or left hook would put most out, im not syaing it would always happen but it is a very strong possibility

Brock Lesnar exposed the Heavyweight Division. Much like Nikolai Valuev he's a lesser fighter but uses his size and strength to win fight more than anything. No matter what the skill level a 280lb man is going to beat a 220lb man in a fight 9 times out of 10. Troll somewhere else amigo...

damn thats the oldest join date i have seen

boxing requires alot more skill and talent than mmgay.Miguel Torres even said that the training in boxing was alot harder than mmgay training.

People who only do boxing have more boxing skill than people who cross train?! No way![/end sarcasm]. To bad MMA is not boxing. I'll never understand how people think that subtracting skills makes a sport easier than adding skills. It baffles the brain....








A punch is a punch.The kinds of punches you see in mmgay isn't a special kind of boxing that is adapted to mmgay,it's just a guy who throws punches like a girl.Only mmgay fans actually think there are special kinds of punches that work in their precious sport.


You've yet to actually explain how boxing doesn't work,and yet I can list you a good number of mmgay fighters who will contradict your claim.

Wrong again, to throw a proper punch for boxing you have too take a boxing stance which leaves you exposed to single legs and very vulnerable to kicks. It's why kickboxers take a different stance in there sport. I've explained this like 3 times already, just because you choose to ignore these facts doesn't make them not accurate. I never said they don't train in boxing, as a matter of fact look back at my other posts and I gave examples of MMA fighters who train with boxing coaches, but they adapt there skills for use in MMA because ITS NOT BOXING, YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MORE THAN JUST PUNCHES.

Anderson Silva doesn't have world class muay thai and for you to claim that he has suggests an ignorance on your part.besides that,Anderson Silva has spent the last couple of his fights using his boxing skills.Paul Daley is explosive and nothing else,he doesn't have world class muay thai.

Oh my bad, it must have been some other Anderson Silva who trained in Muay Thai since he was a child and won all those tournaments in Brazil and was even the Brazilian Muay thai champion with a record of W - 43 L-2 D-1. His loses came to Pele, another world class Muay thai fighter from Brazil who fought in MMA


Now I will ask again,who in mmgay has world class striking?


I already gave examples, but it doesn't matter, because according to you, if it's not boxing it's not world class. Which is completely ignorant and closed minded.


You're putting words in my mouth now.

Really? Good lord,please go read book.





Your ignorance of boxing really knows no bounds.I never said anything aout how "punching" will stop a kick or a takedown.Since when was boxing all about throwing a punch? Most mmgay fans such as yourself see it that way,but there are so many other dimensions to the art than simply throwing a punch.

Everything that boxing is works for boxing, MMA is not boxing, MMA is not boxing, MMA is not boxing, MMA is not boxing, MMA is not boxing, MMA is not boxing. Different sports, different styles, a straight boxing style will not work because MMA is not boxing, MMA is not boxing, MMA is not boxing. Is it starting too sink in yet?


And mind your potty mouth.

The powers that be already censor the curse words for those of you with delicate sensibilities. Those *******s....



There's no way to tell.He has solid fundamental skills,especially for his size.His size makes him look like ****,when in truth he isn't.He'd be a hell of alot more mobile and quicker if he were seven inches shorter,and a hundred pounds lighter

You know you're full of **** on this one. He won his fights and his title because of his size more than anything.



Not to mention he didn't come into the sport and pick up a title in his fourth professional fight.

You act like Brock was just some big guy who up and decided one day I'm gonna start fighting MMA. Never mind that he'd been wrestling since he was a child and won nearly every amature title you can think of. His wrestling skill, size, and strength allowed him to be able to overcome his lack of skills in other areas to win. When he starts fighting bigger fighters like Carwin and Gonzaga, you will see his size will not be a factor anymore and he will lose. Randy Couture is a 15 year old man who weighs 60lbs less than Brock. Frank Mir is a lop. Brock is a ratings machine that Dana will push and push until he's used up. Don't be shocked if Kimbo gets a title shot soon. Dana is more worried about ratings and ppvs than actual fights right now....





None of these names are known in the mainstream.

You're delusional and naive enough to elieve that mmgay fanboys don't talk **** about the sport of boxing.You can go to any mmgay forum and find these kind of posts.

GSP won the Canadian athlete of the year again over a **** ton of hockey players. I don't know what mainstream you're talking about, but I see more press on MMA fighters than boxers. Only two names in boxing make any noise right now and it's Floyd and Pacman....


I have given a number of examples of those within the mmgay community ripping the sport of boxing in the past.Mmgay has consistently compared itself to the sport of boxing while promoting itself.Mmgay has built it's name off of bashing boxing and that is an absolute fact.

No you haven't. No they haven't. I guess what you consider bashing is when people say a boxer would get smashed in mma. Which is just as true as saying a MMA fighter would get smashed in a boxing match, or a baseball player would get smashed in a 1 on 1 game with Shaq. Ect. Ect. I don't know how you go about comparing MMA to boxing in any way except that they're both combat sports. This beef is made up by Boxing fanboys who cannot accept the fact that MMA was making it's rise while boxing was hitting its lowest point in years. Now MMA is plateauing and boxing is back on the rise, yet Boxing fans still feel the need to come into a mma forum and talk **** unprovoked...

i understand donkim's point, i dont believe he is saying that all mma strikers are bad its just there punching technique is TERRIBLE!
i honestly believe that if a half talented pro boxer learnt some wrestling defence and how to check legs kicks (just basics) they would b in the top 5 p4p rankings, theyd have to change thier stance a little but aslong as they kept the basics like proper head movement and straight calculated punches they would win almost every fight by knockout


This may be the dumbest thing I've ever read...

im not arguing if what they say is correct or not im just saying that plenty of mma fans are willing to discredit boxing.

in a conversation with some one who wrestled in hs I made a point that my training in boxing would equip me to deal with take downs and getting away from some one wrestling me(not that i could pin them, just get back on my feet ready to box). he said for training he would run 6 miles every day of the week(i said every day, he said yes i said 42 miles a week, he said yes) and practice for 2 hours every day 40 mins of which was one solid wrestling match with out breaks(i said ever day including when you wernt in school he said yes, i said no breaks while you were wrestling he said yes). i said well lets wrestle he said he didnt want to hurt me. i said i bet you 20$ that 10 times out of 10 i will be able to avoid your take down or if im not able to avoid it i will be able to break contact and get back on my feet with contact still broken(really all he had to do was submit me once out of 10 tries). he said he didnt want to get punched, i said what? no punching just wrestling. he said he didnt want to hurt me, i said i wrestle with my friend who trains in bjj and he puts me in submissions all the time if i get hurt its my own fault but i usually dont get hurt. he said he didnt want to hurt me.....so then we got back on boxing vs mma and he still went on about how mma decimates boxing and if we were to wrestle i wouldnt even have a chance to which i said prove it to which he said he didnt want to hurt me......

so im supposed to believe they practice wrestling for 14 hours a week along with run 42 miles and spar in 40 min rounds. yeah......especially coming from someone who's not even willing to wrestle me.

I haven't wrestled competitively in 6 years but I'll wrestle anyone who wants too have a go. When I was in high school we practiced 2 hours a day with one 10 minute break in the middle, the rest of the time we went 100% on everything for cardio and to prepare ourselves for long matches. Try tossing your body weight around for 25 minutes while it's also pushing back and tell me how tired you get. Football players who did 2 a days sat in on wrestling practice and puked within an hour. Now add this too jiu jitsu practice, boxing and striking practice, and just straight cardio workouts. Does that sound easy to you?

I haven't wrestled competitively in 6 years but I'll wrestle anyone who wants too have a go. When I was in high school we practiced 2 hours a day with one 10 minute break in the middle, the rest of the time we went 100% on everything for cardio and to prepare ourselves for long matches. Try tossing your body weight around for 25 minutes while it's also pushing back and tell me how tired you get. Football players who did 2 a days sat in on wrestling practice and puked within an hour. Now add this too jiu jitsu practice, boxing and striking practice, and just straight cardio workouts. Does that sound easy to you?

Dude, why do you even bother arguing. I'm starting to realize there is no getting through to these poor, ignorant saps. It's a waste of time, especially when donkim, seems to know just as much if not more about MMA than he does boxing, and he keeps up with the latest in the MMA world, yet he calls it MMGAY and chastises everyone who watches it.

The guy is clearly a troll. Just let it go and join an MMA based forum, if you want to talk because you can't have logical and intelligent discussions about it here being amongst haters and elitists.

I haven't wrestled competitively in 6 years but I'll wrestle anyone who wants too have a go. When I was in high school we practiced 2 hours a day with one 10 minute break in the middle, the rest of the time we went 100% on everything for cardio and to prepare ourselves for long matches. Try tossing your body weight around for 25 minutes while it's also pushing back and tell me how tired you get. Football players who did 2 a days sat in on wrestling practice and puked within an hour. Now add this too jiu jitsu practice, boxing and striking practice, and just straight cardio workouts. Does that sound easy to you?

thats fine im not saying your an annoying mma fan and if you willing to back up what you say thats much better then most mma fans im just sharing experiences of annoying mma fans to show that mma fans do attempt to discreit boxing.

Dude, why do you even bother arguing. I'm starting to realize there is no getting through to these poor, ignorant saps. It's a waste of time, especially when donkim, seems to know just as much if not more about MMA than he does boxing, and he keeps up with the latest in the MMA world, yet he calls it MMGAY and chastises everyone who watches it.

The guy is clearly a troll. Just let it go and join an MMA based forum, if you want to talk because you can't have logical and intelligent discussions about it here being amongst haters and elitists.

You're right, I'm done. Just one more thing I have got too say to the haters, and I put it in picture form so even someone like donkim could understand...

IF you don't like MMA
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b48/kaps/dontclick.jpg

People who only do boxing have more boxing skill than people who cross train?! No way![/end sarcasm]. To bad MMA is not boxing. I'll never understand how people think that subtracting skills makes a sport easier than adding skills. It baffles the brain...



That's not what I said.I said that boxing "requires" more skill than mmgay.To become a great boxer,is alot harder to become than becoming a great grappler is.









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Oh my bad, it must have been some other Anderson Silva who trained in Muay Thai since he was a child and won all those tournaments in Brazil and was even the Brazilian Muay thai champion with a record of W - 43 L-2 D-1. His loses came to Pele, another world class Muay thai fighter from Brazil who fought in MMA.


What are Anderson Silva's credentials on the world Muay Thai Scene? Has he even competed on a world level?






You know you're full of **** on this one. He won his fights and his title because of his size more than anything.



Sure it played a part,but if you can't accept that it's also been a great disadvantage to him also,then you are simply being ignorant.


He would be a much better fighter if he were smaller


You act like Brock was just some big guy who up and decided one day I'm gonna start fighting MMA. Never mind that he'd been wrestling since he was a child and won nearly every amature title you can think of. His wrestling skill, size, and strength allowed him to be able to overcome his lack of skills in other areas to win. When he starts fighting bigger fighters like Carwin and Gonzaga, you will see his size will not be a factor anymore and he will lose. Randy Couture is a 15 year old man who weighs 60lbs less than Brock. Frank Mir is a lop. Brock is a ratings machine that Dana will push and push until he's used up. Don't be shocked if Kimbo gets a title shot soon. Dana is more worried about ratings and ppvs than actual fights right now...


I know very well of Lesnar's credentials.It still doesn't change the fact that he walked into the sport and won a title in his 4th professional fight.


Lesnar wasn't even a world class wrestler.






GSP won the Canadian athlete of the year again over a **** ton of hockey players. I don't know what mainstream you're talking about, but I see more press on MMA fighters than boxers. Only two names in boxing make any noise right now and it's Floyd and Pacman....

Pacquiao and Mayweather are two mainstream stars and where it actually matters.

Georges St.Pierre is famous in his own country for just being a canadian who achieved success elsewhere.


The Klitschko's are far more famous in one continent than St Pierre is in Canada.

Canadians don't have much to celebrate.


No you haven't. No they haven't. I guess what you consider bashing is when people say a boxer would get smashed in mma. Which is just as true as saying a MMA fighter would get smashed in a boxing match, or a baseball player would get smashed in a 1 on 1 game with Shaq. Ect. Ect. I don't know how you go about comparing MMA to boxing in any way except that they're both combat sports. This beef is made up by Boxing fanboys who cannot accept the fact that MMA was making it's rise while boxing was hitting its lowest point in years. Now MMA is plateauing and boxing is back on the rise, yet Boxing fans still feel the need to come into a mma forum and talk **** unprovoked...




Choosing to ignore all the mmgay fanboys who went out of their way to claim that "boxing is dead" and that "mma is taking over" are we?


This "beef" as you put it,started within the mmgay community.Mmgay fanboys have always disrespected other superior sports to praise their own.




It's a waste of time, especially when donkim, seems to know just as much if not more about MMA than he does boxing, and he keeps up with the latest in the MMA world, yet he calls it MMGAY and chastises everyone who watches it.

The guy is clearly a troll. Just let it go and join an MMA based forum, if you want to talk because you can't have logical and intelligent discussions about it here being amongst haters and elitists.


You're in no place to call anyone else a troll.

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Lesnar proved that the WWE can slap UFC around like if it was its red headed step child.

Lesnar proved that the WWE can slap UFC around like if it was its red headed step child.

and this post proves that you are a ****ing retard

I know very well of Lesnar's credentials.It still doesn't change the fact that he walked into the sport and won a title in his 4th professional fight.


You're in no place to call anyone else a troll.

Thats the only thing I didnt get either, 4 fights and gets a title shot when he had already lost a fight? Doesnt make sense. I guess the HW scene in the UFC is even worse off than HW boxing is, thats why he got his shot so early.

Oh, and you are a troll.

Brock Lesnar exposed the Heavyweight Division. Much like Nikolai Valuev he's a lesser fighter but uses his size and strength to win fight more than anything. No matter what the skill level a 280lb man is going to beat a 220lb man in a fight 9 times out of 10. Troll somewhere else amigo...

while i agree with you....valuev lost to 2 guys that weighed at 218 and i think 225 and he was over 300lb and niether of them were at the top level... i agree with you tho

I'm not trying to discredit boxing but it's one dimensional fighting. You fight with your hands. I love it but MMA you need to know how to fight with your hands, feet, knees, wrestle and grapple on top and off your back. You just need to know so much more so that's why you really don't see any high level boxers in MMA since you can't just have good hands or you'll just get taken down and tapped easily. You gotta know what your doing everywhere the fight takes place or you'll never be any good if one have one clear weakness. I love Mayorga and he's given in a shot against a good vet Din Thomas but he's gonna be beat bad.

But my point is wrestling as Joe Rogan says is the best base to come into MMA with. I don't like him, he's definitely roided up in the past which has made him very big, but he has always been a great wrestler and is not only huge, but fast as hell too. Hell of an athlete love him or hate and since he came in with the best base to have coming into MMA, it wasn't that hard of a transition. Not to mention the heavyweight division was a wreck until most recently so anybody could have taken control of it. Dumb unknowledgable thread IMO.

Anyone who believes that the boxing is one dimensional really doesn't have a clue about the art itself.boxing isn't about just throwing a punch,and that is what the vast majority of mmgay fighters have failed to understand.I would bet that the vast majority of mmgay fighters have no idea how to control a speed bag.


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LMAO @ 0.28


mmgay fans have a blind view of how skilled their fighters really are.being a glass jawed wrestler who throws wild hayemakers doesn't make you a mixed martial artist.They should just get rid of that name completely and just call it human **** fighting or something of that nature.

most of these ufc worshippers who bang on about little light gloves and " real fighting " bla bla bla....forget that cage fighting started out as a real fight without rules,now there are more rules than just about any other combat sport all for financial gain and tv ratings.....the ufc sold the sport out years ago.....you can barely recognise the sport to what it started out as....boxing has stayed the same from generation to generation.....
i believe lesnar proved that raw strength speed and agility are enough to compete at top level in ufc and that certainly exposes the sport for what it is.

Lesnar wasn't even a world class wrestler.


Wow that only shows how ignorant you really are. Not a world class wrestler? Way to make yourself look dumb by being ignorant. Lesnar won the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship as a heavyweight after placing second in 1999. Two-time NCAA All-American, two-time Big Ten Conference Champion, and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion with a record of 106–5 overall in four years of college.

Are you kidding me and he's not a world class wrestler? Not you just proved yourself a hater by not researching him pre-WWE. And wtf are you doing in this section anyway? Just shows how much of a hater you really are. If you hate the sport so bad, why are bothering wasting your breathe even talking about it? Because your a hater. Boxing is one dimensional as far as MMA goes, it's fact. MMA you have to deal with wrestler, boxing(one dimension, and BJJ. I'm not saying one's harder then the other since most elite boxers started out when they were kids so it took years to be as good as they are. But that doesn't make it anymore difficult then MMA where you have to learn all different styles of fighting, not just boxing. Thier both just as difficult as the other. Get over it and if you don't like it get the f out the MMA section. It wasn't meant for you, it was meant for fans of boxing that like MMA too, to discuss the sport. Not for ignorant people that just wanna start fights and feel important about themselves for a half hour at home with their apparently boring lives. if you have to spend time crying about something you hate rather then finding something you enjoy doing or doing something else constructive with your time, then obviously you have to much time on your hands. Stick to your sport and we'll stick to ours.

Lol >>>>>

why are you guys still responding to these mma hating clowns? they clearly don't care to have an intelligent discussion... they just want to hate and you guys are feeding these idiots.

I really don't think it's about "exposing" the UFC. Lesnar is a monster and an amazing athlete with a very, very good wrestling background.

I really don't think it's about "exposing" the UFC. Lesnar is a monster and an amazing athlete with a very, very good wrestling background.

but he chose to make money acting instead of living off bologna sandwiches and chase the Olympic dream and earn 4k for a gold medal. Real athletes don't follow his path.

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Wow that only shows how ignorant you really are. Not a world class wrestler? Way to make yourself look dumb by being ignorant. Lesnar won the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship as a heavyweight after placing second in 1999. Two-time NCAA All-American, two-time Big Ten Conference Champion, and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion with a record of 106–5 overall in four years of college.


No,he wasn't a world class wrestler.Care to list his credentials on a world level?



Are you kidding me and he's not a world class wrestler? Not you just proved yourself a hater by not researching him pre-WWE. And wtf are you doing in this section anyway? Just shows how much of a hater you really are. If you hate the sport so bad, why are bothering wasting your breathe even talking about it? Because your a hater.



What are you doing on this forum? This isn't a mmgay forum,it's a boxing forum.A forum where boxing fans come to discuss the sport of boxing....not glass jawed grapplers.


But that doesn't make it anymore difficult then MMA where you have to learn all different styles of fighting, not just boxing. Thier both just as difficult as the other.


Yes it does and no they're not "as difficult as the other".Mmgay fighter Miguel Torres confirmed as much himself....and that was from one training session.




Get over it and if you don't like it get the f out the MMA section. It wasn't meant for you, it was meant for fans of boxing that like MMA too, to discuss the sport. Not for ignorant people that just wanna start fights and feel important about themselves for a half hour at home with their apparently boring lives. if you have to spend time crying about something you hate rather then finding something you enjoy doing or doing something else constructive with your time, then obviously you have to much time on your hands. Stick to your sport and we'll stick to ours.





You're not a boxing fan,nor do you know a damn thing about the sport.Listing a bunch of fighters who you have never watched in your sig doesn't make you one either.


Now run along to sherdog with the rest of the closet case's.


Your sort are not welcome.

Wow that only shows how ignorant you really are. Not a world class wrestler? Way to make yourself look dumb by being ignorant. Lesnar won the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship as a heavyweight after placing second in 1999. Two-time NCAA All-American, two-time Big Ten Conference Champion, and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion with a record of 106–5 overall in four years of college.

Are you kidding me and he's not a world class wrestler? Not you just proved yourself a hater by not researching him pre-WWE. And wtf are you doing in this section anyway? Just shows how much of a hater you really are. If you hate the sport so bad, why are bothering wasting your breathe even talking about it? Because your a hater. Boxing is one dimensional as far as MMA goes, it's fact. MMA you have to deal with wrestler, boxing(one dimension, and BJJ. I'm not saying one's harder then the other since most elite boxers started out when they were kids so it took years to be as good as they are. But that doesn't make it anymore difficult then MMA where you have to learn all different styles of fighting, not just boxing. Thier both just as difficult as the other. Get over it and if you don't like it get the f out the MMA section. It wasn't meant for you, it was meant for fans of boxing that like MMA too, to discuss the sport. Not for ignorant people that just wanna start fights and feel important about themselves for a half hour at home with their apparently boring lives. if you have to spend time crying about something you hate rather then finding something you enjoy doing or doing something else constructive with your time, then obviously you have to much time on your hands. Stick to your sport and we'll stick to ours.

well you have blocking deflecting and parrying in one dimension. then you have slipping bobbing weaving in one dimension. then you have fast jabs to set up your punches, hard jabs to keep your opponent at bay, and hard jabs to hit in one dimension. hooks , shovel hooks, right straights, and uppercuts in one dimension. you have infighter or out fighter counters or brawler or both in one dimension. all the diffrent stances in one dimension. right there's at least 6 dimensions, i just cant think of any more, and they all flow together flawlessly.

a non MMAer comes into the UFC and spanks it's top fighters like he's their daddy with bare minimum training for that particular sport.

Could anyone ever do that in Boxing!?



This should lead us to conclude one of two things.

Either a) the UFC is crap or b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.


What do you vote?

Its ok guys, TS forgot Lesnar's D1 Wrestling Championship Pedigree, athleticism, strength, etc evidenced by the NCAA Wrestling D1 Championship and being able to walk on (to a certain extent) to the Vikings. I don't even like the guy, I used to hate him, now I'm becoming neutral.

Let's see how long it takes for that idiot to come back with another alt. 1 day maybe?

Hopefully enough time to let this ****ing thread die already...

Its funny how a retard make a thread and then disappears .

With that logic though a champion boxer is just as qualified as brock lesnar was in his debut


At MMA? Sure, but I'd imagine that being able to wrestle would be more important than knowing how to box in a UFC fight. Still what is the point of this thread? Even if Lesnar did "expose" the heavyweight division of the UFC who would be surprised? Both Boxing and MMA's heavyweight divisions are pretty bad since all the elite athlete's that are their size play Football/Basketball/Hockey. I doubt a one dimensional guy like Lesnar would be able to win in any of the other UFC weight classes.

Brock Lesnar has been wrestling since he was 7 years old.

Brock Lesnar is a freak of a man. He has to cut weight to make 265 pounds to fight 230 and 240 pound guys.

Brock Lesnar trained MMA for 3 and a half years before entering the UFC.

HW is the weakest division in the UFC.

How could you not expect him to do well?

Brock Lesnar trained MMA for 3 and a half years before entering the UFC.


2004- leaves wwe
2005 joins nfl leaves nfl for pro wrestling
2006-2007 he was in new japan pro wrestling
2007 June he had his first mma fight
2007 October he joined ufc

now when were those 3 1/2 years?

id believe 6 months maybe one year at most where he dedicated him self to mma but not 3 1/2

mma fans may not call boxers idiots but they will take every chance they can to discredit boxing when compared to mma.

The same can be said about Boxing fans trying to discredit MMA.

Dumb MMA Fanboys = Dumb Boxing Fanboy

The same can be said about Boxing fans trying to discredit MMA.

Dumb MMA Fanboys = Dumb Boxing Fanboy

well you have diffrent lvls of fandom

mma:
highest lvl of fan: straight up insults boxing
mid: feels take downs and wrestling is inviciable agasint some one who dosnt train in wrestling
low: knows that kicking has an advantage over boxing

Boxing:
Highest: straight up insults mma
mid: dosnt care about mma but will defend boxing. (might even be a mma fan also)
low: still dosnt care about mma but will defend boxing.(might even be a mma fan also)

sure at the highest point they are the same Dumb MMA Fanboys = Dumb Boxing Fanboy. but as the intelligence gets higher mma still feels the need to discredit boxing while boxing dosnt care(but will defend boxing if need be).

well you have diffrent lvls of fandom

mma:
highest lvl of fan: straight up insults boxing
mid: feels take downs and wrestling is inviciable agasint some one who dosnt train in wrestling
low: knows that kicking has an advantage over boxing

Boxing:
Highest: straight up insults mma
mid: dosnt care about mma but will defend boxing. (might even be a mma fan also)
low: still dosnt care about mma but will defend boxing.(might even be a mma fan also)

sure at the highest point they are the same Dumb MMA Fanboys = Dumb Boxing Fanboy. but as the intelligence gets higher mma still feels the need to discredit boxing while boxing dosnt care(but will defend boxing if need be).
This ****'s truly absurd. MMA fans with intelligence generally like, and at the very least respect boxing. And yeah of course there's the fan boys, but I don't think they're a fair representation. As for people that actually understand combat sports, it is hard to picture how they could not respect boxing.

This ****'s truly absurd. MMA fans with intelligence generally like, and at the very least respect boxing. And yeah of course there's the fan boys, but I don't think they're a fair representation. As for people that actually understand combat sports, it is hard to picture how they could not respect boxing.

not really, you ask 2 dumb fanboys who would win in a fight and the boxing fans start calling the mma guys mmgay and the mma guys start calling boxing boring and dieing.

you ask two moderate fans and the mma guys say take downs and ground control will destroy any boxer where as the boxing fan will say i can avoid your take downs most the time and keep you at bay with my jab if not my endurance and strength would keep me safe on the ground till i can find an opening to return to my feet. it would be a close call and if the boxer couldn't knock the guy out it could go either way in decision.

ask two high end fans that know about combat sports and the mma guy says kicks will always beat a boxer. while the boxing guy dosnt care and instead goes off on some tangent on how completely different the 2 sports are and why theres really never any need to compare them.

if you ask a mma fan mma vs boxing mma wins and they will tell you why. if you ask a boxing fan mma vs boxing if they are a dumb fanboy they might tell you boxing would win because of mma people have glassjaws. otherwise they would probably tell you there are alot of factors involved and unless the boxer gets a ko it could go either way.

2004- leaves wwe
2005 joins nfl leaves nfl for pro wrestling
2006-2007 he was in new japan pro wrestling
2007 June he had his first mma fight
2007 October he joined ufc

now when were those 3 1/2 years?

id believe 6 months maybe one year at most where he dedicated him self to mma but not 3 1/2
Brock did only a handful of New Japan shows

Brock Lesnar was an accomplished amateur athlete before being a pro wrestler.

Leon Spinks won the heavyweight boxing title after 6 fights.
Not much different than Lesnar's ascent to the UFC title.

Brock did only a handful of New Japan shows

Brock Lesnar was an accomplished amateur athlete before being a pro wrestler.

Leon Spinks won the heavyweight boxing title after 6 fights.
Not much different than Lesnar's ascent to the UFC title.
New Japan Pro Wrestling ENTIRE CAREER:
On October 8, 2005, Lesnar won the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship in a three-way match at a New Japan Pro Wrestling show in the Tokyo Dome, which included the then-champion Kazuyuki Fujita and Masahiro Chono. He won the match by pinning Masahiro Chono after an F-5, which he had renamed the Verdict, since WWE owns the trademark on the F-5 name. After the match, he stated that this name was referring to his lawsuit against WWE. The match was his first pro wrestling match since leaving WWE. Lesnar is one of the few American wrestlers to have held this title. The first person to hold it was Hulk Hogan (also the first American to win a Japanese world wrestling title), and Big Van Vader.[67] On December 6, 2005 WWE filed a motion for a temporary restraining order to prevent Lesnar from continuing to work with NJPW, but the court did not grant it, and thus Lesnar had two non-title victories against Manabu Nakanishi and Yuji Nagata.Lesnar successfully defended his championship on January 4, 2006 against former champion Shinsuke Nakamura.
On January 13, 2006. WWE once again filed an injunction against Lesnar to stop him from defending the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship on March 19, but evidently this was not enforced (nor granted), as he would go on to have both a tag team match with Shinsuke Nakamura against Akebono and Riki Chôshû at the Sumo Hall on February 19, 2006 which was won after a Verdict to Chôshû.
On March 19, 2006 at the Sumo Hall, Lesnar retained his championship against former Sumo Wrestling Grand Champion Akebono when Lesnar hit him with the championship belt and a DDT. Lesnar went on to successfully defended his title against the winner of the New Japan Cup, Giant Bernard, on May 3, 2006 in Fukuoka. This was the first American vs. American title match in NJPW since Vader vs. Stan Hansen in 1990.
On July 15, 2006, New Japan Pro Wrestling announced that Brock Lesnar had been stripped of the IWGP Heavyweight Championship as he will no longer be returning to defend the title due to "visa issues". A tournament was held on July 16 to determine the new champion, which was won by Hiroshi Tanahashi, the man Lesnar was originally scheduled to face. Lesnar continued to possess the physical IWGP World Heavyweight Championship until late June 2007 when he faced Kurt Angle.

"INEXPERIENCED BROCK LESNAR"
Lesnar grew up on a farm near Webster, South Dakota. He took up wrestling and went from a 3rd place finish at the South Dakota prep championships to a 33-0 record in his senior year of high school. Choosing minute Bismarck Junior College in North Dakota, Brock first earned his keep by winning the Heavyweight bracket in the North Dakota State University's annual Bison Open Tournament by beating Brent Boeschans of Minnesota, a school that was/is a major force in the world of NCAA wrestling. In 1998, Brock won his 2nd straight Bison Open title, and became the Heavyweight (285 lbs.) bracket champion in the National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA), just before BJC discontinued its wrestling program due to financial cuts following the 1997-98 school year. Minnesota wrestling coach J Robinson watched Brock in awe at the Finals of the NJCAA and managed to sign him to transfer to Minnesota. In just 2 years at BJC, Brock had accumulated a 56-3 record.

Now as a member of the Minnesota Gophers, Brock seized the attention of Big Ten and NCAA wrestling fans with his chiseled, ripped physique and a Bill Goldberg-like dominance of opponents, going 24-1 in his first year, with his only loss coming from Iowa State's Trent Hynek). Wading through the competition, Minnesota won the Big Ten wrestling title in 1999, ending a 25 year win streak of arch-rival Iowa. Unfortunately, Lesnar lost in the finals of the NCAA Championships to Stephen Neal of Cal State-Bakersfield in a 3-2 decision that cost Minnesota a chance to be National Champions; arch-rival Iowa won instead.

In 2000, Brock and company wanted to prove that 1999 was no fluke. As he had in the past, Lesnar tossed aside all opponents, coasting to a 26-1 record (with his defeat at the hands of a close 5-3 decision from Iowa's Wes Hand) and ranked as the #1 heavyweight in the Big Ten. Brock avenged his loss by destroying the Heavyweight bracket at the NCAA finals, then defeating Hand with a 3-2 decision in overtime with an escape in the final match, achieving a lifelong dream by becoming an NCAA heavyweight champion. Overall, his career wrestling record is 106-5 (56-3 at BJC, 50-2 at Minnesota).

Leon Spinks won the heavyweight boxing title after 6 fights.
Not much different than Lesnar's ascent to the UFC title.



Leon Spinks amateur career>>>>>>>>>>>>Lesnar's amateur career.



Spinks competed at a world class level and won a gold medal.....what's Lesnar's resume at a world class level?

Leon Spinks amateur career>>>>>>>>>>>>Lesnar's amateur career.



Spinks competed at a world class level and won a gold medal.....what's Lesnar's resume at a world class level?
Lesnar competed at a national level, winning a national championship

Had he not followed the money in WWE, he could have been on the 2000 Olympic Team, and then you'd have that world class competition.

So if Kurt Angle had a successful MMA career instead of Lesnar, with his 1996 Gold Medal, would that be sufficient for you or would you still be hung up about the pro wrestling?

Lesnar competed at a national level, winning a national championship

Had he not followed the money in WWE, he could have been on the 2000 Olympic Team, and then you'd have that world class competition.

So if Kurt Angle had a successful MMA career instead of Lesnar, with his 1996 Gold Medal, would that be sufficient for you or would you still be hung up about the pro wrestling?




Well you don't know that he would have made it on the olympic team.Many NCAA champions weren't good enough to make it to the olympics.



I could care less about Lesnars involvement in Pro wrestling,but to claim that Lesnar was a world class wrestler is ignorant.



A shot Kurt Angle was able to handle Lesnar when they took part in a little friendly grappling match.

Brock did only a handful of New Japan shows

Brock Lesnar was an accomplished amateur athlete before being a pro wrestler.

Leon Spinks won the heavyweight boxing title after 6 fights.
Not much different than Lesnar's ascent to the UFC title.

this is a very good comparison, had lesnar not wanted the money he would have made the US olympic wrestling team for sure and probably would have a gold medal. lesnar's amateur record is comparable to spinks - 110 - 6

Well you don't know that he would have made it on the olympic team.Many NCAA champions weren't good enough to make it to the olympics.

Maybe because you lose more money then you earn trying to get to the Olympics and you half to halfass your training to make time for work.

Europeans wrestlers are set. Medals just mean bonuses.

You're lucky to get 25k for a gold in the US.

That's why the NCAA is respectable org recognized around the world. Because they know no one here wants to put money up for a respectable Olympic program.

all i can say.....NOBODY in Heavyweight Division(boxing/UFC) can stand up against The Terminator Fedor Emelianenko when it comes to REAL FIGHTING.


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Fedor vs Brett Rogers - 2009 fight

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Fedor vs Brett Rogers - 2009 fight

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Brock did only a handful of New Japan shows

Brock Lesnar was an accomplished amateur athlete before being a pro wrestler.

Leon Spinks won the heavyweight boxing title after 6 fights.
Not much different than Lesnar's ascent to the UFC title.

thats fine i wasn't disputing his wrestling back ground i was disputing where the guy said brock spent 3 1/2 years training in mma before joining the ufc. when he did not spend 3 1/2 years training in bjj muay thai boxing and what ever else is mma before he joined the ufc.

Originally Posted by donkim
I know very well of Lesnar's credentials.It still doesn't change the fact that he walked into the sport and won a title in his 4th professional fight.


Lesnar wasn't even a world class wrestler.



Ever heard of Leon Spinks?

Ever heard of Leon Spinks?

so brock is a gold medal Olympic winner also?

:lol1:http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359206&page=2:lol1:

Brock Lesnar exposed the Heavyweight Division. Much like Nikolai Valuev he's a lesser fighter but uses his size and strength to win fight more than anything. No matter what the skill level a 280lb man is going to beat a 220lb man in a fight 9 times out of 10. Troll somewhere else amigo...


No matter what the skill level? Uhh yeah, Do you really believe a barely skilled 280 pound fighter would have Koed Mike Tyson? or Ali?

he wouldn't even take James Toney.

That assertion you made (which i have put in bold) exposes the UFC almost as much as Lesnar did.

2x NCAA wrestling champion

****ing retard

The retard is the one that can't read.


Either (a) the UFC is crap or (b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.

Or wrestling can negate a person's stand-up and bjj when applied effectively?

No matter what the skill level? Uhh yeah, Do you really believe a barely skilled 280 pound fighter would have Koed Mike Tyson? or Ali?

he wouldn't even take James Toney.

That assertion you made (which i have put in bold) exposes the UFC almost as much as Lesnar did.

It's already been covered....

It's already been covered....

... I'm sure it was covered years ago.