Yeah you read ****ing right.

I feel Hector Camacho Sr dosent get respect his legacy deserves.

He has a a quality resume of wins and at his peak great boxing ability and very tough with a big heart. No on has ever stopped Camacho in his 87 fight career, and he has been in with some devastating hitters.

Camacho's Notable Wins
-Melvin Paul(15-0)

-Greg Coverson(32-0)

-John Montes (22-1) (After Hector Beat Him, went on to KO future world champion Freddie Pendleton and took Pernell Whitaker to a decision)

-Irleis Perez (26-0) (Future World Title Challager)

-Rafael Limon (50-12) (Former 2 Time WBC 126 Champion)

-Jose Luis Ramirez (90-5) (Hall Of Famer and 2 time WBC 135lb Champion)

-Freddie Roach (38-6) Roach said Hector was the best he ever fought

-Edwin Rosario (28-1) Hall Of Famer 3 Time 135lb Champion and 2 weight division champion)

-Cornelius Boza Edwards (Former WBC Super Featherweight Champion)

-Howard Davis Jr (Olympic Gold Medalist and 3 Time World Title Challager, who took a near peak Meldrick Taylor to a draw)

-Reyes Antonio Cruz (Former World Title Challager)

-Ray Mancini (Former WBA Lightweight Champion)

-Vinny Pazienza (3 Weight Wolrd Champion)

-Tony Baltazar (Former World Title Challager, who holds a win over Roger Mayweather)

-Greg Haugen (Former World Champion)

-Roberto Duran (Although Duran was washed up, after Camacho beat him, Duran went on to beat former world champion Jorge Fernando Castro and even get another world title shot)

-Ray Lenoard (Ray was a finished, but did say Camacho had the fastest hands he'd ever saw)

No come on, thats a damn good list of wins.

Camacho when fully retired should be inducted into the IBHOF. And should be shown more respect by fans.

Paulie

Yeah you read ****ing right.

I feel Hector Camacho Sr dosent get respect his legacy deserves.

He has a a quality resume of wins and at his peak great boxing ability and very tough with a big heart. No on has ever stopped Camacho in his 87 fight career, and he has been in with some devastating hitters.

Camacho's Notable Wins
-Melvin Paul(15-0)

-Greg Coverson(32-0)

-John Montes (22-1) (After Hector Beat Him, went on to KO future world champion Freddie Pendleton and took Pernell Whitaker to a decision)

-Irleis Perez (26-0) (Future World Title Challager)

-Rafael Limon (50-12) (Former 2 Time WBC 126 Champion)

-Jose Luis Ramirez (90-5) (Hall Of Famer and 2 time WBC 135lb Champion)

-Freddie Roach (38-6) Roach said Hector was the best he ever fought

-Edwin Rosario (28-1) Hall Of Famer 3 Time 135lb Champion and 2 weight division champion)

-Cornelius Boza Edwards (Former WBC Super Featherweight Champion)

-Howard Davis Jr (Olympic Gold Medalist and 3 Time World Title Challager, who took a near peak Meldrick Taylor to a draw)

-Reyes Antonio Cruz (Former World Title Challager)

-Ray Mancini (Former WBA Lightweight Champion)

-Vinny Pazienza (3 Weight Wolrd Champion)

-Tony Baltazar (Former World Title Challager, who holds a win over Roger Mayweather)

-Greg Haugen (Former World Champion)

-Roberto Duran (Although Duran was washed up, after Camacho beat him, Duran went on to beat former world champion Jorge Fernando Castro and even get another world title shot)

-Ray Lenoard (Ray was a finished, but did say Camacho had the fastest hands he'd ever saw)

No come on, thats a damn good list of wins.

Camacho when fully retired should be inducted into the IBHOF. And should be shown more respect by fans.

Paulie

Up until his 1986 epic encounter with Edwin Rosario, Camacho was well on his way to ATG status. He beat Rosario in one of the best 135 pound title fights ever, but he seemed to had lost something in that fight. After that fight, Camacho became more of a runner and sought to fight to survive. He had no business losing to Greg Haugen, and his fight with Mancini was a track meet, not a fight. He beat washed up fighters like Duran and Leonard, but suffered terrible one sided losses to Chavez, Trinidad and De La Hoya. I feel it was his abuse of controlled substances that led to Camacho never quite getting to ATG status. I wish Camacho would have become that fighter, who after dismantling Bazooka Limon, was a sure fire HOF'er.

He had a good run in the 1980's and never lost during the decade. However constant partying began to take its toll on Camacho by the mid/late 80's. Camacho admitted in a 1996 interview that his career effectively went down the drain and that his work got sloppier fight after fight. Certainly no one could say he lacked the talent or the skill but he did not have the dedication.

To see the best Camacho in action, view his fights from the very early 1980's at super featherweight. Afterwards he turned from a flashy and speedy boxer to a spoiler who did whatever he could to make fights appear ugly and boring.

I could understand the critism of Macho. He was a "hit, then hold, then run" type fighter. He was arrogant and partied as much as he trained. He wasted more natural talent than many pound for pound fighters ever see.

But I believes he deserves some respect too. He has an impressive history and gave us older fans some good memories. He also fought a prime Rosario, J.C. Chavez, De La Hoya and Trinidad. And I think the last three was past Camacho's prime. After all that and fighting those punchers it is amazing he was never stopped as a pro.

I don't think he was ever even knocked down. Atleast I don't recall him being down in any fight.

I agree with thread starter macho man does not get the credit he is due! and he had one hell of a beard

If you put all the above posts together, you have all the answers..

A terrific fighter who gave some of his heart away to the 'high' life..

Even in his losses..Oscar de La hoya, Felix Trinidad, Julio Cesar CHavez...Greg Haugen..Serious names but no one Koed him...whether he ran or not..pretty impressive.

Macho never being knocked down in his career, is a incredible accomplishemnt. He went in with so many devastating punchers aswell etc Rosario, Chavez, Ramirez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Duran.

Paulie

I been saying that for a while in these forums. He has legit titles in 3 different weight classes and a total of 7 if you count the paper IBC and NBA titles he won between 147-168. To not get KOD moving up and fighting in 7 weight classes is an accomplishment even if some are tomato cans or journeymen.

The lost to Haugen was a joke. Camacho was deducted a point for refusing to touch gloves in Rd 12; that one point caused him a draw. As he lost by Split Decision and one judge gave it to Haugen 114-113. But Camacho was able to avenge that lost. I thought his perfomance with Chavez and Trinidad were okay in the beginning. Atleast, he ended both fights on his feet and tried to compete in some of the rounds. Unlike Bonecrusher Smith versus Tyson; as Smith was there just to collect a payday and survive 12 RDS.

He was put down against DeLa Hoya and Trinidad and I think Chavez. Never stopped but down a few times. I never seen much of him before when he was a lightweight might have been down then. I heard he was good as a lightweight.

Camacho is a HOF'er, for sure!!!! Hate him disrespect him, all you want. But the man can fight.

He was put down against DeLa Hoya and Trinidad and I think Chavez. Never stopped but down a few times. I never seen much of him before when he was a lightweight might have been down then. I heard he was good as a lightweight.
Just saw your post about when it reminded me of something..
He was indeed a very ****-hot lightweight, and if my memory serves me correctly, after beating Mancini for the title, he grabbed the mic and said, "Now bring on all the ni*gers!"..
Don't know whether anyone can back me up on this, cos it was a long time ago, but i'm sure it happened and i'm sure he was justly punished for it too..
I believe this does give some insight as to why some people dis him..

Just saw your post about when it reminded me of something..
He was indeed a very ****-hot lightweight, and if my memory serves me correctly, after beating Mancini for the title, he grabbed the mic and said, "Now bring on all the ni*gers!"..
Don't know whether anyone can back me up on this, cos it was a long time ago, but i'm sure it happened and i'm sure he was justly punished for it too..
I believe this does give some insight as to why some people dis him..

I believe he said thsi after beating Reyes Cruz a year before. Nonetheless, his performance in both fights were much more offensive. As a fellow Puerto rican and Harlemite, I was a huge fan of Camacho up until the late 90's. After beating Rosario, he didn't have one single performance against a HOF type fighter(Duran and Leonard were extremely washed up. They would have ko'd him in their primes). Watch the Camacho-Mancini fight. Camacho ran for 12 rounds and did nothing.

I believe he said thsi after beating Reyes Cruz a year before. Nonetheless, his performance in both fights were much more offensive. As a fellow Puerto rican and Harlemite, I was a huge fan of Camacho up until the late 90's. After beating Rosario, he didn't have one single performance against a HOF type fighter(Duran and Leonard were extremely washed up. They would have ko'd him in their primes). Watch the Camacho-Mancini fight. Camacho ran for 12 rounds and did nothing.
Yeah, i had a feeling the old memory may have stooled on me, but i knew it was around that time 4 sure.. I'm pretty sure most of the black fighters kind'a boycoted fighting him over it; i know there was a big 'hoo ha' at the time..
Furthermore, that was in 88, and he went on to fight Mancini, Haugen etc, and i don't believe engaged another black fighter until Trinidad in 94!.. In fact, it's difficult to think of any black guys he did fight; Boza-Edwards and Brazier are the only 2 that come to mind..

Yeah, i had a feeling the old memory may have stooled on me, but i knew it was around that time 4 sure.. I'm pretty sure most of the black fighters kind'a boycoted fighting him over it; i know there was a big 'hoo ha' at the time..
Furthermore, that was in 88, and he went on to fight Mancini, Haugen etc, and i don't believe engaged another black fighter until Trinidad in 94!.. In fact, it's difficult to think of any black guys he did fight; Boza-Edwards and Brazier are the only 2 that come to mind..

Leonard in 97 after Trinidad. The Duvas and HBO was attempting to put him in the ring with Whitaker, but he lost the first fight to Haugen. After beating Haugen in the rematch, he went with Don King and a year later suffered a 12 round beating at the hands of Chavez. I don't think his use of the N word was a racial slur. Many Puerto Ricans use that word, and his mother is a very dark skinned, Black Puerto Rican.

Leonard in 97 after Trinidad. The Duvas and HBO was attempting to put him in the ring with Whitaker, but he lost the first fight to Haugen. After beating Haugen in the rematch, he went with Don King and a year later suffered a 12 round beating at the hands of Chavez. I don't think his use of the N word was a racial slur. Many Puerto Ricans use that word, and his mother is a very dark skinned, Black Puerto Rican.
It did make me wonder..
Good job he never said it in Britain, he'd never be heard of again lol..

It did make me wonder..
Good job he never said it in Britain, he'd never be heard of again lol..

One thing I have always respected the British fans is the support they show for their athletes, Black or White. Bruno, Lewis and Benn were completely embraced. If Serena Williams were British, she would have been so much love in England. Over here, she is ostracized and criticized at every opportunity. She is even booed against foreign opposition.

One thing I have always respected the British fans is the support they show for their athletes, Black or White. Bruno, Lewis and Benn were completely embraced. If Serena Williams were British, she would have been so much love in England. Over here, she is ostracized and criticized at every opportunity. She is even booed against foreign opposition.
And she's just won the Australian Open for a record 5th time!

The Brits can be just as weird though.. Bruno and Benn were accepted with open arms immediately, and believe it or not, this was more down to their vulnerability as opposed to winning ways.. Lewis didn't get fully accepted until after he retired.. I watched Rahman I at a party, and when Lewis got tagged, the whole place errupted in shrieking laughter..
Joe Calzaghe is only raved about in Wales, and another example would be Chris Eubank, who spent almost 10 years as an unbeaten SMW champ, but didn't get one scrap of adulation until he'd been beaten twice by Carl Thomson, in valid efforts to rest the CW strap.. Hamed too, was hated by the majority.. The night he got beaten by Barrera, i saw guys in bars celebrating, and kids were putting up posters of Barrera on their bedroom walls..
I think the most classic example of British 'fickleness' has to be when the up and coming Joe Bugner, beat the ageing Henry Cooper.. I'm not joking when i say, 'it simply wasn't accepted,' and Harry Gibbs, the referee who awarded the DC, (on the old British points system) almost became a national 'hate' figure over night.. Bugner couldn't go anywhere without abuse being aimed at him and was eventually hounded out of the country..
He eventually settled in Australia where he was appreciated, and went on to have a long and successful career.. Cooper on the other hand, received a knighthood!.. Despicable when you think about it; a 21 year old kid gets told he's godda fight for the British title, wins it, then all that happens.. Beggars belief!

So i'm afraid we have it disproportionately, in Britain too; especially where 'winners' are concerned.. Tbh, the colour thing in boxing, is pretty ancient history in our country now, and the talent pool is evenly mixed..
I know it sounds a bit cynical, but the only 'sure' way a good boxer will get a good following in the UK, is if he also happens to be a soccer fan..

I think alot of fans go by the athlete's personality. Ricky Hatton was seen as a down to earth lad and many loved him in Manchester and surrounding areas. Lennox Lewis was born in England but spend alot of time in Canada and won a Gold Medal for Canada and not the UK; this may help explain his lukewarm reception.

The camacho thing about the N word is simple street vernacular in NYC, Camacho is far from a racist, as he was good friends with many black boxers and showed respect for SRL after beating him.

English Fighter Alan Minter said something like "no black men can take my MW title away" and after he lost to Hagler the fans threw things into the ring where hagler had to be escorted away by the police. Why would they support a blatant racist fighter? So you see both sides of the coin there.

I personally despise overt nationalism as if a fighter wins from your country brings pride to you as individuual. I never understood why Fillipinos worship pacman as a god. For example, they make excuses for the long count in the hussein fight and dont question why would a fillipino ref would be allowed to ref a fight in the phils with a pinoy fighter; that alone brings into question the impartiality of the fight. Yet; pinoys would go bonkers if PR Ref Joe Cortez would do Pac vs cotto, because they thought it would favor Cotto. Do we see the hypocrisy? I also don't know how can a man who openly cheats on his wife can say he talks to god and is blessed by him? Just like i called boricuas out for their love affair with Trinidad who i always suspected of having excessive handwrappings. BTW, that debate is kicking a dead horse on what happened in the dressing room before the Hopkins fight.

I am a boxing fan first regardless of their nationality or race. People who are a credit to the sport by being respectful to opponents and being clean inside the ring.

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Camacho was absolutely hilarious back then.There's obviously no slur in his usage of the word.He probably grew up around guys who would throw that term at each other every ten seconds or so.

I think alot of fans go by the athlete's personality. Ricky Hatton was seen as a down to earth lad and many loved him in Manchester and surrounding areas. Lennox Lewis was born in England but spend alot of time in Canada and won a Gold Medal for Canada and not the UK; this may help explain his lukewarm reception.

The camacho thing about the N word is simple street vernacular in NYC, Camacho is far from a racist, as he was good friends with many black boxers and showed respect for SRL after beating him.

English Fighter Alan Minter said something like "no black men can take my MW title away" and after he lost to Hagler the fans threw things into the ring where hagler had to be escorted away by the police. Why would they support a blatant racist fighter? So you see both sides of the coin there.

I personally despise overt nationalism as if a fighter wins from your country brings pride to you as individuual. I never understood why Fillipinos worship pacman as a god. For example, they make excuses for the long count in the hussein fight and dont question why would a fillipino ref would be allowed to ref a fight in the phils with a pinoy fighter; that alone brings into question the impartiality of the fight. Yet; pinoys would go bonkers if PR Ref Joe Cortez would do Pac vs cotto, because they thought it would favor Cotto. Do we see the hypocrisy? I also don't know how can a man who openly cheats on his wife can say he talks to god and is blessed by him? Just like i called boricuas out for their love affair with Trinidad who i always suspected of having excessive handwrappings. BTW, that debate is kicking a dead horse on what happened in the dressing room before the Hopkins fight.

I am a boxing fan first regardless of their nationality or race. People who are a credit to the sport by being respectful to opponents and being clean inside the ring.
I suppose i was trying to say 'ancient history,' during my lifetime, but yes, the Minter fight was a disgrace that taught a lot of lessons.. Minter's family were from Crawley in West Sussex, and were well known troublemakers in their neighborhood. His popularity, aswell as his career spiralled downwards immediately after this..
More recently, Bernard Hopkins came out with a similar remark about Calzaghe, it sucks!

I know Macho isn't racist, i was just questioning the remark as a possible answer to some of the question.. It's pretty common knowledge that dudes in New York and other parts, often refer to one-another in all capacities by the N word without taking offence, even though the respondant is often not even black lol..

I know who you're referring to with the extra-marital preaching career..
I only sing his praises as a fighter, but you're 100% right.. I bet he's the talk of the island in Majorca.. I met him several times during his earler career, and he was so refreshingly down-to-earth, you wouldn't believe it.. The subject of religion, would have just made him laugh!.. I just think he went a bit weird after the McClellan fight..

True what you say about Hatton, and i'm sure a lot of his hometown followers will stick by him, but he is now being heavily criticized for his disloyalties to Billy Graham in favour of jumping ship to the Mayweather camp.. Many people are now blaming Hatton, for screwing up his career.. I personally blame his 'carpet-fitter' Dad..

More recently, Bernard Hopkins came out with a similar remark about Calzaghe, it sucks!


i use to be a big BHOP fan and was actually happy that he beat Trinidad even if i share some similar cultural ancestry with Tito. But his insulting of people like Emanuel Steward and his crybaby reactions to the Taylor and Calzaghe decisions made me lose respect for him.

BHOP tried to get into Joe's head by making those comments. I only imagine if a white, asian, or latin fighter said that about a black fighter? I understand people tried to promote fights and sell both tickets and PPV; but i think things dealing with race and religion should be left out. We saw what happened when Salita went to fight Khan and the ant-semetic slurs he endured.