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HaglerSteelChin 02-04-2010, 02:05 AM I am sure i have left out a few off the top of the head. But here are the 5 guys that i know beat 7 or more boxers that went to the Hall of Fame.
Harry Greb - 13 Kid Norfolk, Tunney, Levinsky, T.Gibbons,M. Gibbobs, Dillon, Flowers, Rosenbloom, Slattery, Walker, Loughran, Blackburn, billy miske
Jimmy Mclarnin- 11 -Villa,Labarba, Ambers, Canzoneri, Ross, Kaplan Petrolle, Leonard, Young Corbett 3, Bud Taylor, J. Fields
Sugar Ray Robinson- 10 - Armstrong, Lamotta, Fullmer, Kid Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano, Zivic,Turpin, Angott, Olson
Henry Armstrong- 10 - Wolgast, Ross, Angott, Ambers, Jenkins, Zivic, Montanez, Bass, Wright, Arizmendy
Joe Louis -8 - Schmeling, Sharkey, Conn, Walcott, Baer, Braddock, JH Lewis, Bivins. (Primo Carnera in World Hall of Fame but due to fixed fights scandal his career under question)
Muhammad Ali -7 Foster, Moore, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton
Ezzard Charles 9. Jimmy Bivins, Charley Burley, Harold Johnson, Joe Louis, Lloyd Marshall, Joey Maxim, Jersey Joe Walcott, Teddy Yarosz and Archie Moore.
Sam Langford 11:George Godfrey,Tiger Flowers,Harry Wills,Joe Jeannette,Sam McVey,Philadelphia Jack O'Brian,Dixie Kid,Joe Gans,Jack Blackburn,Kid Norfolk,Stanley Ketchel (newspaper decision)
Jack Johnson 7: Sam McVea,Jim Jeffries,Stanley Ketchell,Tommy Burns,Bob Fitzsimmons,Joe Jeannette,Sam Langford
Johnny Risko 7:Tommy Loughran,Mickey Walker,Max Baer,
George Godfrey,Jack Sharkey,Jack Delaney,Paul Berlenbach
Tony Canzoneri 9: Lou Ambers, Jimmy Mclarnin,Baby Arizmendy
Kid Chocolate,Billy Petrolle,Jack (Kid) Berg, Benny Bass, Bud Taylor
Johnny Dundee
Freddie Welsh 7 Abe Attell, Jim Driscoll, Johnny Dundee, Willie Ritchie, Ad Wolgast, Benny Leonard & Battling Nelson
Tommy Loughran 8: George Carpentier, Max Baer, James Braddock, Harry Greb,Young Stribling, Jack Sharkey, Mickey Walker, Jimmy Slattery
Name any other boxers who beat 7 different fighters who went to the hall of fame?
Jim Jeffries 02-04-2010, 02:28 AM Jim Jeffries had 7 wins over HOFers
2 vs Tom Sharkey
2 vs Bob Fitzsimmons
2 vs James J. Corbett
1 vs Peter Jackson
and a draw against Joe Choynski
Overall, he was 7-1-1 in 9 fights vs HOFers, the lone loss coming against a top 10 ATG HW, after Jeffries had gone 6 years without a fight.
HaglerSteelChin 02-04-2010, 02:43 AM I have Greb unoffiicially as beating 10 different HOF fighters. I am sure i have left some out. I dont see any current fighters getting to 7 again. Even Duran and Leonard had 4 a piece. Leonard beating Benitez, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler. Duran beating Buchanan, Leonard, Palomino, and Cuevas. Pacman may have 4 already as i think all 3 Barrera,Morales, and JMM will be future HOF and he also beat an old DLH, and if Hatton makes it that makes 5. Carlos Ortiz also has atleast 5 different fighters also.
oldgringo 02-04-2010, 02:50 AM I believe Tommy Loughran defeated 8 hall of fame fighters.
DeepSleep 02-04-2010, 02:58 AM The best I could think of for recent fighter's would be Holyfield who could have up to 6.
Qawi(HOF)
Foreman(HOF)
Holmes(HOF)
Moorer(Possible HOF)
Bowe(Possible HOF)
Tyson(Possible HOF)
JAB5239 02-04-2010, 03:02 AM Ezzard Charles has 7. Jimmy Bivins, Charley Burley, Harold Johnson, Joe Louis, Lloyd Marshall, Joey Maxim, and Archie Moore.
rocky_balboa23 02-04-2010, 03:05 AM I have Greb unoffiicially as beating 10 different HOF fighters. I am sure i have left some out. I dont see any current fighters getting to 7 again. Even Duran and Leonard had 4 a piece. Leonard beating Benitez, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler. Duran beating Buchanan, Leonard, Palomino, and Cuevas. Pacman may have 4 already as i think all 3 Barrera,Morales, and JMM will be future HOF and he also beat an old DLH, and if Hatton makes it that makes 5. Carlos Ortiz also has atleast 5 different fighters also.
yeah..Pacman has the 3 Mexicans, DLH, probably COtto and Hatton. By a long shot Oscar Larios. then if he beats Mayweather or Mosley that would be huge. :boxing:
Fighting Marine 02-04-2010, 03:11 AM yeah..Pacman has the 3 Mexicans, DLH, probably COtto and Hatton. By a long shot Oscar Larios. then if he beats Mayweather or Mosley that would be huge. :boxing:
Hatton is not HOF material
Bright-Eyes 02-04-2010, 03:19 AM I believe that Jerry Quarry was inducted in the hall of fame too.
Hatton is not HOF material
Probably not,but he'll probably end up being inducted.
DeepSleep 02-04-2010, 03:19 AM Ezzard Charles has 7. Jimmy Bivins, Charley Burley, Harold Johnson, Joe Louis, Lloyd Marshall, Joey Maxim, and Archie Moore.
Actually I think Charles has 9.
I think you may have forget Jersey Joe Walcott and Teddy Yarosz.
JAB5239 02-04-2010, 03:28 AM Actually I think Charles has 9.
I think you may have forget Jersey Joe Walcott and Teddy Yarosz.
Nice catch! I don't know how I left Walcott off. Yarosz...........Thats all you brother, I totally missed that one. :fing02:
Bundana 02-04-2010, 03:45 AM Sam Langford (11):
George Godfrey
Tiger Flowers
Harry Wills
Joe Jeannette
Sam McVey
Philadelphia Jack O'Brian
Dixie Kid
Joe Gans
Jack Blackburn
Kid Norfolk
Stanley Ketchel (newspaper decision)
Jack Johnson (7):
Sam McVea
Jim Jeffries
Stanley Ketchell
Tommy Burns
Bob Fitzsimmons
Joe Jeannette
Sam Langford
Johnny Risko (7):
Tommy Loughran
Mickey Walker
Max Baer
George Godfrey
Jack Sharkey
Jack Delaney
Paul Berlenbach
EzzardFan 02-04-2010, 05:37 AM How many did Archie Moore beat. Must have been up there in his career spanning 99 years LOL
Bundana 02-04-2010, 05:55 AM How many did Archie Moore beat. Must have been up there in his career spanning 99 years LOL
He met 13 different HOFers - but beat only 6 of them.
Bundana 02-04-2010, 06:07 AM I am sure i have left out a few off the top of the head. But here are the 5 guys that i know beat 7 or more boxers that went to the Hall of Fame.
Harry Greb - 10 Kid Norfolk, Tunney, Levinsky, Gibbons, Dillon, Flowers, Rosenbloom, Slattery, Walker, Loughran
Sugar Ray Robinson- 9 - Armstrong, Lamotta, Fullmer, Kid Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano, Zivic,Turpin, Angott
Jimmy Mclarnin- 9 -Villa,Labarba, Ambers, Canzoneri, Ross, Kaplan Petrolle, Leonard, Young Corbett 3
Joe Louis -8 - Schmeling, Sharkey, Conn, Walcott, Baer, Braddock, JH Lewis, Bivins. (Primo Carnera should be #9)
Muhammad Ali -7 Foster, Moore, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton
Henry Armstrong- 7 - Wolgast, Ross, Angott, Ambers, Jenkins, Zivic, Montanez
Name any other boxers who beat 7 different fighters who went to the hall of fame?
If you add Benny Bass, Chalky Wright and Baby Arizmendy to Armstrong's tally he moves up to 10.
So does SRR if you add Bobo Olson.
And Mclarnin moves to 11, if you add Charles (Bud) Taylor and Jackie Fields.
... not to mention Greb, who goes up to 13 if you add Jack Blackburn, Billy Miske and another Gibbons (though many of these wins were newspaper decisions).
BennyST 02-04-2010, 08:46 AM yeah..Pacman has the 3 Mexicans, DLH, probably COtto and Hatton. By a long shot Oscar Larios. then if he beats Mayweather or Mosley that would be huge. :boxing:
Cotto and Hatton? No. Larios? No.
BennyST 02-04-2010, 08:53 AM I have Greb unoffiicially as beating 10 different HOF fighters. I am sure i have left some out. I dont see any current fighters getting to 7 again. Even Duran and Leonard had 4 a piece. Leonard beating Benitez, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler. Duran beating Buchanan, Leonard, Palomino, and Cuevas. Pacman may have 4 already as i think all 3 Barrera,Morales, and JMM will be future HOF and he also beat an old DLH, and if Hatton makes it that makes 5. Carlos Ortiz also has atleast 5 different fighters also.
Oscar himself will have a few when they all go through: There are the possibles and the definites. But, I put only the guys that are possibles ain that are actually possibly going to get in. I don't think Hatton even deserves a mention for the HOF.
Chavez
Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Ike Quartey?
Genaro Hernandez?
Jorge Paez?
Miguel Angel Gonzalez?
That's seven guys that are likely to get in. ****, maybe even Gatti will get now. I don't think he should but you know how it is.
Duran will probably end up having seven too. Kobayashi is in the WBHOF (world boxing hall of fame) as is Esteban De Jesus and Ernesto Marcel has been nominated for the past two years for the IBHOF. Those three will eventually get in at some point. Ishimatsu, despite his record, may also get in one day. He has a great resume. I mean, if people think Hatton can get in with one win over a definite HOF'er, probably two with Castillo, then surely Ishimatsu with three HOF wins and having fought about three, maybe four others...more likely than Hatton anyway. ****, even Barkley should get in before Hatton. Beat an ATG twice, three weight world champion, fought the best of a great era and probably about five or more HOF'ers himself.
Man, Hatton is so overrated.:lol1:
HaglerSteelChin 02-04-2010, 11:10 AM If you add Benny Bass, Chalky Wright and Baby Arizmendy to Armstrong's tally he moves up to 10.
So does SRR if you add Bobo Olson.
And Mclarnin moves to 11, if you add Charles (Bud) Taylor and Jackie Fields.
... not to mention Greb, who goes up to 13 if you add Jack Blackburn, Billy Miske and another Gibbons (though many of these wins were newspaper decisions).
Thanks for the info. I will edit the post later and Greb did beat Delaney but i think it wasen't HOF Jack Delaney it was a different one maybe James?
hhascup 02-04-2010, 12:16 PM Freddie Welsh beat Abe Attell, Jim Driscoll, Johnny Dundee, Willie Ritchie, Ad Wolgast, Benny Leonard & Battling Nelson
Bundana 02-04-2010, 01:12 PM Tony Canzoneri (9):
Lou Ambers
Jimmy Mclarnin
Baby Arizmendy
Kid Chocolate
Billy Petrolle
Jack (Kid) Berg
Benny Bass
Bud Taylor
Johnny Dundee
oldgringo 02-04-2010, 01:15 PM Tony Canzoneri:
Bud Taylor
Johnny Dundee
Benny Bass
Kid Berg
Kid Chocolate
Billy Petrolle
Baby Arizmendi
Lou Ambers
Jimmy McLarnin
tanibanana 02-05-2010, 01:20 AM basing on thread replies only;
I have it:
Harry Greb - 13
Jimmy Mclarnin - 11
Sam Langford - 11
Sugar Ray Robinson - 10
Henry Armstrong - 10
Ezzard Charles - 9
Tony Canzoneri - 9
Joe Louis - 8
Tommy Loughran - 8
Muhhamad Ali - 7
Jack Johnson - 7
Johnny Risko - 7
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I'm surprised w/ Ali only having 7,
gonna check this later..
Jim Jeffries 02-05-2010, 01:37 AM Evander Holyfield has
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
guaranteed
Mike Tyson
potentially
Michael Moorer
Riddick Bowe
Carlos De Leon
tha golden boy 02-05-2010, 06:58 PM Benny Leonard - 7
Jimmy McLarnin - 9 (10 if you count a HOF referee who was once a fighter)
HaglerSteelChin 02-06-2010, 08:24 AM Evander Holyfield has
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
guaranteed
Mike Tyson
potentially
Michael Moorer
Riddick Bowe
Carlos De Leon
I always felt De Leon was an underrated fighter and i do have him as a top 200 p4p fighter. It clearys show there is a little love for the cruiser division. Any fighter than regains his title 3 more times as Deleon did should be considered for the HOF.
tanibanana 02-10-2010, 05:57 AM no more??? just them????
let me make a summary again, this is a good thread
for newbies in the future..
Harry Greb - 13
Jimmy Mclarnin - 11
Sam Langford - 11
Sugar Ray Robinson - 10
Henry Armstrong - 10
Ezzard Charles - 9
Jimmy McLarnin - 9
Tony Canzoneri - 9
Joe Louis - 8
Tommy Loughran - 8
Muhhamad Ali - 7
Jack Johnson - 7
Johnny Risko - 7
Benny Leonard - 7
Evander Holyfield - partial (3-1-3) like the other post suggest..
note: base on thread replies only...
rocky_balboa23 02-10-2010, 06:52 AM Cotto and Hatton? No. Larios? No.
Cotto is fighting Foreman for the 154 title. if he wins that I think he'll be in the HOF.
Bundana 02-10-2010, 09:08 AM no more??? just them????
let me make a summary again, this is a good thread
for newbies in the future..
Harry Greb - 13
Jimmy Mclarnin - 11
Sam Langford - 11
Sugar Ray Robinson - 10
Henry Armstrong - 10
Ezzard Charles - 9
Jimmy McLarnin - 9
Tony Canzoneri - 9
Joe Louis - 8
Tommy Loughran - 8
Muhhamad Ali - 7
Jack Johnson - 7
Johnny Risko - 7
Benny Leonard - 7
Evander Holyfield - partial (3-1-3) like the other post suggest..
note: base on thread replies only...
You forgot to include Freddie Welsh (7)... as suggested by hhascup in #19.
Also, I believe Charles only beat 8 HOFers.
JAB5239 02-10-2010, 04:29 PM You forgot to include Freddie Welsh (7)... as suggested by hhascup in #19.
Also, I believe Charles only beat 8 HOFers.
Charles was my selection, but upon further review I think I stand corrected. Nice catch. I probably inadvertently added Marciano to Ezzard's win column.
HaglerSteelChin 02-11-2010, 03:38 PM There are many fighters who fall a bit short like Kid Norfalk, Ketchel, Ross etc. I personally count Gene Tunney a guy who i put in my top 10 P4P as possibly beating 7 Hall of famers. Someone in this thread mentioned the issue of newspaper decisions and the whole controversy around it. I also count Jack Sharkey as beating 7 HOF's and possibly 8 if Risko ever gets in to either the WBHOF or the IBHOF.
Tunney has beaten 5 HOF's T. Gibbons, J. Dempsey(twice), H. Greb(twice i believe), Carpentier, Levinsky, and Risko may eventually get in which gives him 6. His possible 7th is a Newspaper decision against Loughran. The New York Times gave him the win. But the fight was in philly the hometown of Loughran and the local philly paper gave it to Loughran making it essentially a draw. But if you count the NYT newspaper decision than Tunney has 7. Here is an article on that fight and you can click for the original PDF story on it.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E0CE0DF1039EF3ABC4D51DFBE668389 639EDE
Jack Sharkey beat 6 guys who went to the IBHOF: Schmeling, Loughran, Stribling, J. Delaney, Godfrey, Willis. He also beat Primo Carnera who is inducted to the WBHOF. This gives him 7 if you count the WBHOF. Primo Carnera due to the issue of fixed fights likely will never get in the IBHOF, if Risko ever makes it than he will have 7.
HaglerSteelChin 02-12-2010, 03:43 PM Maybe i should have added clarity when i started the thread because i should have specified either the IBHOF or the WBHOF? But the IBHOF has the prestige and that is the one we counted. The IBHOF takes 5 years after a fighter is removed from the sport. So it takes longer to get in there. If we include the WBHOF i am sure there were be several more fighters in the list. In addiition, Joe Louis gets an extra fighter since Primo Carnera is in the WBHOF and also Armstrong can add Cerefino Garcia is in the WBHOF.
A modern fighter who should be able to have 7 if you include the WBHOF is Hector Camacho. People he beat as Boom Boom Mancini, Ramirez, and Haugen are already in the WBHOF. Than you have in the IBHOF Duran, SRL, and Rosario. Of course, the latter two legends were past their prime but the question was guys he beat not if they were in their prime. So now he has 6 and i am sure Vinny Paz will make either one or both. The Pazmanian devil won the rivalry with Haugen and i feel has accomplished more in the upper weight classes. He won a legit title at 154 and a few paper titles at SMW. Futhermore, Camacho beat Limon a guy who stayed in too long and added unecessary losses to his career. Limon still has an outside shot at one of the HOF. So Camacho between both HOF will likely add a 7th.
tanibanana 03-06-2010, 11:17 PM I am sure i have left out a few off the top of the head. But here are the 5 guys that i know beat 7 or more boxers that went to the Hall of Fame.
Harry Greb - 13 Kid Norfolk, Tunney, Levinsky, T.Gibbons,M. Gibbobs, Dillon, Flowers, Rosenbloom, Slattery, Walker, Loughran, Blackburn
Name any other boxers who beat 7 different fighters who went to the hall of fame?
that is only twelve...
1. Norfolk
2. Tunney
3. Levinsky
4. T. Gibbons
5. M. Gibbons
6. Dillon
7. Flowers
8. Rosenbloom
9. Slattery
10. Walker
11. Loughran
12. Blackburn
13. ??????
anyone knows who's missing..
Bundana 03-06-2010, 11:37 PM that is only twelve...
1. Norfolk
2. Tunney
3. Levinsky
4. T. Gibbons
5. M. Gibbons
6. Dillon
7. Flowers
8. Rosenbloom
9. Slattery
10. Walker
11. Loughran
12. Blackburn
13. ??????
anyone knows who's missing..
The missing 13th HOFer is Billy Miske.
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