By G. Leon and Scott Shaffer

WBA title could revert back to Ruiz!

May 10, 2005 - Reports are swirling in boxing circles that James Toney may have tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs when he defeated John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title on April 30, 2005. So far, the report has not been definitively confirmed as Hugo Spindola of New York Athletic Commission declined to confirm or deny the matter and Fight Fax said it had received no notification of any suspension. Yesterday, John Ruiz abruptly ended his retirement only eight days after it was announced, and the haste of the announcement seems to be an indication that he too has heard the rumors. Under WBA rules, if Toney's positive test is confirmed by a second result, the heavyweight title would revert back to the former champion, hence the need for Ruiz to be considered an active boxer. The WBA drug policy also states that a boxer who tests positive cannot compete for a WBA title for two years. ********** called the offices of Toney's promoter Dan Goossen, but neither Goossen nor Toney were available for immediate comment. However, we will continue our efforts to confirm what must be considered a rumor at this time. Remember where you heard it first! (4:30 PM ET)

Toney tests positive for banned substance?

WBA title could revert back to Ruiz!

May 10, 2005 - Reports are swirling in boxing circles that James Toney may have tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs when he defeated John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title on April 30, 2005. So far, the report has not been definitively confirmed as Hugo Spindola of New York Athletic Commission declined to confirm or deny the matter and Fight Fax said it had received no notification of any suspension. Yesterday, John Ruiz abruptly ended his retirement only eight days after it was announced, and the haste of the announcement seems to be an indication that he too has heard the rumors. Under WBA rules, if Toney's positive test is confirmed by a second result, the heavyweight title would revert back to the former champion, hence the need for Ruiz to be considered an active boxer. The WBA drug policy also states that a boxer who tests positive cannot compete for a WBA title for two years. ********** called the offices of Toney's promoter Dan Goossen, but neither Goossen nor Toney were available for immediate comment. However, we will continue our efforts to confirm what must be considered a rumor at this time.

Source: **********.net

WOW, this is HUGE!

I cant make the bet with Brewster with you I dont have enough points. I already have 5 million laid down against Run/w/knives and "the greatest" and that is all my points.

Toney tests positive for banned substance?

WBA title could revert back to Ruiz!

May 10, 2005 - Reports are swirling in boxing circles that James Toney may have tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs when he defeated John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title on April 30, 2005. So far, the report has not been definitively confirmed as Hugo Spindola of New York Athletic Commission declined to confirm or deny the matter and Fight Fax said it had received no notification of any suspension. Yesterday, John Ruiz abruptly ended his retirement only eight days after it was announced, and the haste of the announcement seems to be an indication that he too has heard the rumors. Under WBA rules, if Toney's positive test is confirmed by a second result, the heavyweight title would revert back to the former champion, hence the need for Ruiz to be considered an active boxer. The WBA drug policy also states that a boxer who tests positive cannot compete for a WBA title for two years. ********** called the offices of Toney's promoter Dan Goossen, but neither Goossen nor Toney were available for immediate comment. However, we will continue our efforts to confirm what must be considered a rumor at this time.

Source: **********.net
I thought Toney looked like he was roided out, with those rippling abs.....errrr......

this is funnier than Frans Botha testing positive for 'roids....

James is way too stubborn to take the sauce, besides he's too busy trash-talking to ever stop for a second and shoot up :)

o god ThePretender will never shut up if this is true, plz plz plz let this be a joke, god can ruiz ever lose the title? he uses illegal tactics and has king and now a substance violation? god where is that tua guy at he needs 19 secs of work to be wba champ.

Well, lets see what happens...
But if that's true.. RUIZ IS CHAMP AGAIN!

Can you believe this??!!!

This is silly.

The only thing Toney would have tested positive for would be twinky filling.

There's no way he was juicing before this fight. He stopped lifting weights after the arm injury.

There's no doubt he was cranking before the Booker fight, but before the Ruiz fight? He looked like a marshmellow man.

Who cares anyway? Did they take Holyfield's title away after he beat Tyson? There's no doubt Vander was cranked right up at that point.

Dear God NO...

Johnny Reez, **** we can't get rid of this guy...I bet it is true for the simple fact hthat everyone hates him so much...

I can't believe Johnny's gonna be champ again.

SEE? What did I ****ing tell you people? Toney STOLE this fight! Don King SOLD OUT Ruiz!

RUIZ THE TRUE CHAMP! And all this time you hating nuthuggers were all over Toney's pee wee herman!

SEE? What did I ****ing tell you people? Toney STOLE this fight! Don King SOLD OUT Ruiz!

RUIZ THE TRUE CHAMP! And all this time you hating nuthuggers were all over Toney's pee wee herman!
Here comes the Pretender!!!

Ohh GOD RUIZ + Pretender!

Oh man, If this is true and Ruiz is Champ again, this would be a nightmare. STAY RETIRED RUIZ, PLEASE

I personally doubt its true but if it is true that really sucks for James Toney fans like myself and James Toney himself.

Oh man, If this is true and Ruiz is Champ again, this would be a nightmare. STAY RETIRED RUIZ, PLEASE


WTF, so if this is true and Toney used performance enhancing drugs Ruiz should stay retired so the cheating bastard can keep a belt he never truly earned? What the **** is wrong with you!

This explained why that butterball was able to keep his endurance up late into the fight even though everyone thought his fat ass run out of gas coming in at 230 and a true middleweight! He was juiced up!

WTF, so if this is true and Toney used performance enhancing drugs Ruiz should stay retired so the cheating bastard can keep a belt he never truly earned? What the **** is wrong with you!

This explained why that butterball was able to keep his endurance up late into the fight even though everyone thought his fat ass run out of gas coming in at 230 and a true middleweight! He was juiced up!
and Ruiz really earned his 2 titles: beating an ancient Holyfield and an under-trained Rahman, big victories, wow

and Ruiz really earned his 2 titles: beating an ancient Holyfield and an under-trained Rahman, big victories, wow

HA HA your lardass Toney had to cheat to beat the true champion Ruiz. Looooser.

Come on everyone...
This is the 2nd time out of 452 past posts from The Pretender that he has a point.

Good Ratio!

LOL

This is absurd. What'd they find? Taurine? Ephedra?

This is bull****.

By G. Leon and Scott Shaffer

WBA title could revert back to Ruiz!

May 10, 2005 - Reports are swirling in boxing circles that James Toney may have tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs when he defeated John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title on April 30, 2005. So far, the report has not been definitively confirmed as Hugo Spindola of New York Athletic Commission declined to confirm or deny the matter and Fight Fax said it had received no notification of any suspension. Yesterday, John Ruiz abruptly ended his retirement only eight days after it was announced, and the haste of the announcement seems to be an indication that he too has heard the rumors. Under WBA rules, if Toney's positive test is confirmed by a second result, the heavyweight title would revert back to the former champion, hence the need for Ruiz to be considered an active boxer. The WBA drug policy also states that a boxer who tests positive cannot compete for a WBA title for two years. ********** called the offices of Toney's promoter Dan Goossen, but neither Goossen nor Toney were available for immediate comment. However, we will continue our efforts to confirm what must be considered a rumor at this time. Remember where you heard it first! (4:30 PM ET)
**********.net is the National Inquirer of boxing sites, and G.Leon is Jerry Springer's cousin, so don't take this stuff too seriously

I personally doubt its true but if it is true that really sucks for James Toney fans like myself and James Toney himself.
this report does suck, but think about the source...

**********.net is the National Inquirer of boxing sites, and G.Leon is Jerry Springer's cousin, so don't take this stuff too seriously

Its not really bull**** though. No matter what it is they should do what the article says.

Good move if u ask me.

Why would they print **** like this out, cant Toney sued these ****ers for defamation of character!

There is already a thread about this...

this report does suck, but think about the source...

**********.net is the National Inquirer of boxing sites, and G.Leon is Jerry Springer's cousin, so don't take this stuff too seriously
True,
But very seldom when their rummor "Remember where you heard it first" came untrue

Imagine if it WERE true... how humiliating would it be if you needed to get juiced to beat Ruiz?

Pretender must have had a huge boner when he heard this news :D

LMAO, exactly, u dont need juice to beat Ruiz, juts come out and dont let the hugs get to you :D

What a lot of you guys need to understand is that it was "performance enhancing drugs" now I said before that Toney was on roids, but there are various types of steroids out there one to even increase your stamina. So it isnt a surprise. But what you are also forgetting is that "performance enhancing drugs" doesnt necessarily mean straight steroids. Ephedra and a large amount of caffeine are banned performance enhancers and this could be very well what Toney had tested positive for. He has been known to always drop a lot of weight and using a ECA stack during training wouldnt surprise me considering he balloons up.

Not necessarily 'roids but everybody knew Toney was on the juice for Booker and there are various types of steroids for different things. Not always to be used to for gaining muscle mass.

Get a life. Read the front page article on this site. The whole point about this is that you DO need juice to beat Ruiz. Without it, you just another notch in his belt like Holy, Johnson, Tucker, Golota, Oquenda. Only RJJ got lucky without juice.

SERIOUSLY!

Rick Reeno can you ban The Pretender?

Every serious thread turns into a joke cuz he comes n says somethin stupid about Ruiz, it's obvious he is just some phony who has no life tryin to be funny on here and it's getting REALLY annoying..

If it was one post ok, but every post his messin up..

may be he took something to be fast, he did look faster

What is apparent is this story has the ring of truth. When they weighed in everyone thought Toney WAY overweight to last 12 rounds against a true heavy. Toney was seriously fat...and with just 4 weeks training for the fight, how he have such endurance like that? So many analysts were surprised over this fight because of his stamina. Toney was on some kind of drugs thats for sure.

Here comes the Pretender!!!

Ohh GOD RUIZ + Pretender!

Just put the tard on ignore. That is what I did. I feel so much better now.....cuz I can not see his posts.

SERIOUSLY!

Rick Reeno can you ban The Pretender?

Every serious thread turns into a joke cuz he comes n says somethin stupid about Ruiz, it's obvious he is just some phony who has no life tryin to be funny on here and it's getting REALLY annoying..

If it was one post ok, but every post his messin up..

Shut up *******. I been right about EVERYTHING so far:

1. Ruiz will be back
2. Toney stole the fight
3. Ruiz will have another shot to be champ again.

Everything came true so apparently I know what the **** I talk about. Get a life dickhead. Just because you hate Ruiz and nuthug whoever popular today.

Just put the tard on ignore. That is what I did. I feel so much better now.....cuz I can not see his posts.
Damn I didnt know that

THANX:D

Ooooooooo Yes :D :D :D

I Cant See His Posts:d

daymn...Ruiz is God...if this is true, he always finds a way to either win or get the title back

He a true champ. His heart lets him win.

I thought Toney looked like he was roided out, with those rippling abs.....errrr......

this is funnier than Frans Botha testing positive for 'roids....

James is way too stubborn to take the sauce, besides he's too busy trash-talking to ever stop for a second and shoot up :)

Roids dont make you lean man. Only cutting steroids like Winnibol do. If you take pure test...you will actually get fat, because you need to consume a tremendous amount of calories in order to sustain new muscle mass.

Common misconception about steroids is they make you ripped, and shrink your dick and balls. Not true.

Ruiz must be doing backflips, i still doubt this story, the only thing Toney did wrong was eat that big fat piece of cake before the fight.

And what the hell is all the talk about steroids anyway. Illegal drugs are also banned substances....and I think Toney likes to party. That might be what he tested positive for. Nobody knows for sure yet.

Roids dont make you lean man. Only cutting steroids like Winnibol do. If you take pure test...you will actually get fat, because you need to consume a tremendous amount of calories in order to sustain new muscle mass.

Common misconception about steroids is they make you ripped, and shrink your dick and balls. Not true.
You should pick up "Juiced", the new book by Jose Canseco, then your tune may change

Ruiz must be doing backflips, i still doubt this story, the only thing Toney did wrong was eat that big fat piece of cake before the fight.**********.net (Greg Leon) and Toney are 'tight'
They (**********.net) would not publish something against their man if it was just speculation (which is what we are told for now) there has to be more to it..

Hey Vdiary, i would be really disspointed, seriously getting juiced up for John Ruiz is as low as u can go. :D

And what the hell is all the talk about steroids anyway. Illegal drugs are also banned substances....and I think Toney likes to party. That might be what he tested positive for.
yeah but these guys should be careful about what they are doing before a big fight, if they're stupid enough to take any sort of drugs before a fight then they deserve to be stripped of their title, if it's performace enhancing drugs then shame on him

You should pick up "Juiced", the new book by Jose Canseco, then your tune may change

That guy is a moron. I know at least five people who take growth hormones and steroids they buy at pharmacies across the border in Mexico. They have been taking them for years with little or no effect other than an increase in strength.

Canseco is a dickweed. Of course he is going to sell Macguire out....because he needs the publicity at the end of the rope. Big Mac did nothing more than take anrodestenediol which is nowhere near as test producing as real steroids.

Canseco has even said he would encourage people to take steroids, he indeed is an ******* :mad:

Wouldn't the title be declared vacant if Toney was stripped?

I bet Ruiz would still be one of the principals in any bout to fill it. Maybe there'd be a 4 fighter box-off ordered.

Wouldn't the title be declared vacant if Toney was stripped?

I bet Ruiz would still be one of the principals in any bout to fill it. Maybe there'd be a 4 fighter box-off ordered.


According to the WBA guidelines if the challenger tests positive and the champion negative and the challenger wins, the champion who was beaten would be rewarded the championship.

u can tell he took steroids for booker i tried to tell yall

Oh goddamit no i hope this isnt true. And who said Evander was on roids before the Tyson fight? Got any proof or are you talking out your ass like that Ruiz moron?

According to the WBA guidelines if the challenger tests positive and the champion negative and the challenger wins, the champion who was beaten would be rewarded the championship.
no .... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

....Now we know why Ruiz unretired!!!!

Thats a pretty good theory.Now we might get to see this pile of **** back in the ring :mad:

hahaha i hate both, so this is becoming a soap opera lol

Well That Kinda Sucks For Toney, Guess We Will Have To Deal With Ruiz Again, What A Damn Shame........

ruiz is a joke for comin back tho he should of stayed retired....toney aint used steriods for ruiz they was just still in his system

This is a joke and if it is not Toney still has to take another test. That takes time and the whole Ruiz camp is a joke. Like he needs drugs to beat his sorry ass. If he used drugs it was for the booker fight or before that but i would guess this is a joke.

This is a joke and if it is not Toney still has to take another test. That takes time and the whole Ruiz camp is a joke. Like he needs drugs to beat his sorry ass. If he used drugs it was for the booker fight or before that but i would guess this is all talk and nothing will happen.

o god ThePretender will never shut up if this is true, plz plz plz let this be a joke, god can ruiz ever lose the title? he uses illegal tactics and has king and now a substance violation? god where is that tua guy at he needs 19 secs of work to be wba champ.

Wow, Pretender was the first person that popped into my head when I read the headline too! This is a hugh story, and if it's true, it could get real ugly! :eek:

NEWSFLASH: Team Ruiz and Freddie Roach speak on the situation.

EXCLUSIVE: Team Ruiz speaks on Toney allegations!
By G. Leon and Scott Shaffer
Moments ago **********.com conducted an exclusive conference call interview with Norman Stone and Anthony Cardinale, the manager and attorney of former WBA heavyweight champion John "The Quietman" Ruiz. "If this is true, shame on this guy and he's got whatever he's got coming. But we think he couldn't beat Johnny without this," said Cardinale. Read on for the full MUST READ exclusive interview.

Cardinale continued, "Now that it's out in the open, I'll go on record and say that Team Ruiz told Commissioner Stevens a month before the fight at the press conference, that we were very concerned about Toney's actions being a drug induced steroid rage. We told him we wanted to make sure the anti-doping procedures were followed correctly so there would be no issue.

"We knew something was off. After the fight and reviewing the tapes, we instituted conversations with the commission just to find out a week after the fight. That's the normal time it takes for the results to come in and we wanted to know the results. Now we haven't heard anything officially, but if this is true, it shows that this is the only way he could've beat Johnny."

GL: Were you aware of these accusations before Jawny announced his return?

Anthony Cardinale: "We knew about all of this, and we were concerned about this before the fight. This past weekend after Johnny spoke with his family he got on the phone with us and said that he's coming back. Once he told us that, I wanted to get the word out as soon as possible so he doesn't get dropped from the ratings. The next thing we know, word starts swirling around about this. Johnny made his decision and then we started getting calls about this just like you did."

GL: Do you really think Toney could have been on something based on how out of shape he looked?

Norman Stone: "Oh absolutely. Without a doubt."

Anthony Cardinale: "And when we were looking at the tape of the fight we were saying to each other, if he's not on some performance enhancing drug that gave him an edge, then we're wrong. Johnny made his decision to come back before any of this began. If this is true, and until we know officially there's a capital I on that If. But if this is true it proves the only way he could beat Johnny is by cheating like this. But I'll tell you something else, if a website like ********** reported something like this about Johnny and it wasn't true, only two seconds would have passed before we shot some rockets up your ass. "

Norman Stone: "And if you remember Greg, at the press conference Jawny got up and told everyone that the kids should take a look at him so they know what not to be. He said, 'kids look at this guy, this is why you shouldn't do drugs."

"I mean he sits there and he sweats and then he jumps up and acts like a lunatic. The whole thing of it is, why does a guy like this who knocks everyone else go out and supposedly do something like this. If this is true you know me we're not going to let this get swept under the carpet. And not only that, Jawny will get his belt back."

Anthony Cardinale: "And again, this decision was made over the weekend. Everything just started flying around about this today, but if this is true we're going to make him the poster boy for steroid use.

EXCLUSIVE: Freddie Roach Speaks on James Toney’s Possible Use of Banned Substance
By Darren Nichols
“I have not spoken with James lately, but I did hear about ten minutes ago that there were reports on the internet that James may have tested positive for performance enhancing drugs.” When asked if he knew of any history with Toney using such drugs Roach replied, “Not at all.” Laughing, Roach continued, “James doesn’t really look like a guy using steroids. I know steroids make you bigger and stronger, but I really question these allegations.” ********** asked Roach if he knew who would be the mostly likely source for giving Toney performing enhancing drugs, to which Roach said, “I have no idea. I know when he had his bicep tear during the Rydell Booker fight last September he was dealing with doctors and surgeons, but that is the only medical treatment that I know of since that fight.” Before Roach got back to what he does best, he reiterated to ********** by saying, “I’m thinking this is not true. It would be a shame if it were.”

I think its a bit of a stretch to claim that doping is the ONLY reason and/or way that Toney beat him. That is something they will never know for sure :confused:

Call me an *******, but I kind've hope it is true. Toney just talks so much **** and when he called Ruiz stupid after the fight, I lost all respect for him. Kicking a man when he is down is not something a true champion should do. If he tested positive he will be the one everyone calls a dumbass.

I think its a bit of a stretch to claim that doping is the ONLY reason and/or way that Toney beat him. That is something they will never know for sure :confused:


Of course it is and they will use his out of shape physique as a target as for why he was on 'roids and why he wasnt. This is going to get dirty and make the heavyweight division look ****ty.

I say **** on the reports, release the medical records if they were banned substances strip him and award Ruiz and lets forget about Toney, and act as if it never happened.

Call me an *******, but I kind've hope it is true. Toney just talks so much **** and when he called Ruiz stupid after the fight, I lost all respect for him. Kicking a man when he is down is not something a true champion should do. If he tested positive he will be the one everyone calls a dumbass.


I know I will be happy, I only wanted Toney to win so he would fight Byrd.

Of course it is and they will use his out of shape physique as a target as for why he was on 'roids and why he wasnt. This is going to get dirty and make the heavyweight division look ****ty.

I say **** on the reports, release the medical records if they were banned substances strip him and award Ruiz and lets forget about Toney, and act as if it never happened.

Oh yes, more ugly press for the sport. I like your idea..too bad the press wont pass up the chance to drag it thru the mud, so forgetting about it isnt likely :confused:

Oh yes, more ugly press for the sport. I like your idea..too bad the press wont pass up the chance to drag it thru the mud, so forgetting about it isnt likely :confused:


That is what I hate about the media, screw talking to Team Ruiz and Roach...How about you contact Toney and contact the N.Y.S.A.C. about the tests and reveal something concrete instead of what a person thinks about it....We all think the same majority of the time when it comes to steroids, release some good info and expose Toney for what it is or how about expose the source?

Nothing irritates me more than saying "close sources have informed us" ok well who is the source? Chances are they are not credible.

I am rambling I know but damn just go talk to Toney (who will deny it) and then go get those medical records.


Although I wouldnt be surprised and would bet money on it if it does come out, Toney will say well it was prescribed by the doctor to heal my injury and nothing more. Tracy you should know that you read my final I posted....Which I got a B+ on by the way :)

Of course it is and they will use his out of shape physique as a target as for why he was on 'roids and why he wasnt. This is going to get dirty and make the heavyweight division look ****ty.

I say **** on the reports, release the medical records if they were banned substances strip him and award Ruiz and lets forget about Toney, and act as if it never happened.
IMO any press is good press. If a James Toney steroid scandal draws attention to the sport, so be it. It's not like it's a widespread ordeal like they have with baseball. I agree with you though, the die-hards and everyone associated with boxing should just act as if Toney never even existed and never even won to begin with, if it is true of course.

Based on The Pretender's statements, I'm starting to believe that John Ruiz is the reincarnation of Muhammad Ali.

i cant belivie this if its true, how could toney be on roids? :thumbsdow he looks like fat and untrained. he dont need roids if he didnt needed it vs holyfield why would he needed vs hugs bear ruiz?. noway toney used roids he got natural skills and was too fast and good in so bad shape vs ruiz.

According to the WBA guidelines if the challenger tests positive and the champion negative and the challenger wins, the champion who was beaten would be rewarded the championship.

That makes complete logical sense. Banned performance enhancing drugs = CHEATING.

Do you people understand what that means? It means Toney didn't win **** and Ruiz the true champ!

ruiz is a joke for comin back tho he should of stayed retired....toney aint used steriods for ruiz they was just still in his system

Gee, that makes complete sense...****ing moron.

That is what I hate about the media, screw talking to Team Ruiz and Roach...How about you contact Toney and contact the N.Y.S.A.C. about the tests and reveal something concrete instead of what a person thinks about it....We all think the same majority of the time when it comes to steroids, release some good info and expose Toney for what it is or how about expose the source?

Nothing irritates me more than saying "close sources have informed us" ok well who is the source? Chances are they are not credible.

I am rambling I know but damn just go talk to Toney (who will deny it) and then go get those medical records.


Although I wouldnt be surprised and would bet money on it if it does come out, Toney will say well it was prescribed by the doctor to heal my injury and nothing more. Tracy you should know that you read my final I posted....Which I got a B+ on by the way :)

FANTASTIC Spinks!! Good for you..a B+ is great! ;)
You have a good point there..go to Toney or whoever did the testing..of course the Ruiz camp is gonna say something..anythign to cast doubt on the whole affair. Geeze, what a mess!

The return of John Ruiz is like the return of Britney Spears after her pregnancy :D

Hey you guys...I said it first...but i was referring to Diego Corrales being on steriods because he was associated with Mosley, but now I saw James Toney rooting for Diego so mayun the nut doesn't fall far from the tree.

FANTASTIC Spinks!! Good for you..a B+ is great! ;)
You have a good point there..go to Toney or whoever did the testing..of course the Ruiz camp is gonna say something..anythign to cast doubt on the whole affair. Geeze, what a mess!


Thinks it is a mess now wait for a few days, it could get REALLY ugly....Especially when Norman Stone is involved.

haha, I do love it though in that print when they said he has 'roid rage how he just bursts out like that and gets all worked up and sweaty. That is a poor excuse but it is allegations like that, that will get kicked around. Toney has always acted like a baby.....

I dread this whole thing, nothing good can come out of this.

Although I wouldnt be surprised and would bet money on it if it does come out, Toney will say well it was prescribed by the doctor to heal my injury and nothing more. Tracy you should know that you read my final I posted....Which I got a B+ on by the way

That won't fly. Like that **** Roach speculated about. Take roids for an injury in Sept and in late April it's still in system? Bull****. And if he was on any prescribed substances for injuries before he went into the fight, he should have declared it and postponed the fight. Any way you look at it, Toney is a loser.

That won't fly. Like that **** Roach speculated about. Take roids for an injury in Sept and in late April it's still in system? Bull****. And if he was on any prescribed substances for injuries before he went into the fight, he should have declared it and postponed the fight. Any way you look at it, Toney is a loser.


I dont disagree with you one bit and agree but that is how it will be kicked around.

I dont disagree with you one bit and agree but that is how it will be kicked around.

Hindsight is 20/20. Remember the rumors about Toney being injured before the Ruiz match? Things making sense now. Out of shape, great stamina, best performance in years at his heaviest weight ever, fast injury recovery.

i cant belivie this if its true, how could toney be on roids? :thumbsdow he looks like fat and untrained. he dont need roids if he didnt needed it vs holyfield why would he needed vs hugs bear ruiz?. noway toney used roids he got natural skills and was too fast and good in so bad shape vs ruiz.

It doesn't necessarily have to be roids.

More likely a stimulant of sorts.

It's time to call in a favour for a hit, there is no other way.
Kapeesh?

It seems to me that Toney was on steroids for the fight with Booker. It is not surprising that he has tested positive now.

does this affect the results in the fanasy betting on this site cause i lost like 5 mil due to toney?

does this affect the results in the fanasy betting on this site cause i lost like 5 mil due to toney?


I would assume so, but Rick would know best.

does this affect the results in the fanasy betting on this site cause i lost like 5 mil due to toney?


God I hope so, I bet the bank on Ruiz (154 million)

God I hope so, I bet the bank on Ruiz (154 million)
really?thats a lot, i was also convinced ruiz would win. with them injuries toney has been having might be an indication as to what he has been doing.

really?thats a lot, i was also convinced ruiz would win. with them injuries toney has been having might be an indication as to what he has been doing.


The injuries he had was common with steroid use and a weightlifting program...Ironic Freddie mentioned he lifted to many weights? HMMMMMM......

The injuries he had was common with steroid use and a weightlifting program...Ironic Freddie mentioned he lifted to many weights? HMMMMMM......
exactly.... this might be the downfall of toney if and when its proven he has used steroids. its too bad to cause he is an excellent fighter without them, just not heavyweight champion material.

exactly.... this might be the downfall of toney if and when its proven he has used steroids. its too bad to cause he is an excellent fighter without them, just not heavyweight champion material.


He is old but if he would actually get in shape he would have plenty of opportunities at his natural weight and could have made nice fights at 175 with Jones/Tarver/Johnson and then at cruiser with Mormeck and Jirov.

It is a real shame, but I would really like to find out the truth.

He is old but if he would actually get in shape he would have plenty of opportunities at his natural weight and could have made nice fights at 175 with Jones/Tarver/Johnson and then at cruiser with Mormeck and Jirov.

It is a real shame, but I would really like to find out the truth.

i doubt the truth comes out, money will prob keep this under wraps. hopefully anyone with info doesnt sellout

i doubt the truth comes out, money will prob keep this under wraps. hopefully anyone with info doesnt sellout


He sold his boxing career to King, I am sure it will be swept under the rug. But since this had broken out people will always question and remember it. If King realizes what an attraction Byrd vs Toney would be this will definately be lost in the shuffle.

Oh goddamit no i hope this isnt true. And who said Evander was on roids before the Tyson fight? Got any proof or are you talking out your ass like that Ruiz moron?

I agree, that's stupid to even compare the two. Evander has always trained his ass off non-stop, and Toney hasn't trained seriously for any length of time in ages. That was Bozo's stupid ass, before the fight he was saying how Toney didn't look bad, that the pic was just unflattering lol, now he says Toney was a lard ass, so how could he have been juicing? Priceless.

Oh come on you two..
If proven that Toney was using steroid, the fight will be declared a no contest and Ruiz will become champ again.
At best, if a fight is declared a N/C all bets should be annulled and refunded.

I have to admit, I am not a huge fan of Pedro Fernandez, but I remembered reading it on his site a few weeks ago so I went back & checked...
http://www.ringtalk.com/

Thinks it is a mess now wait for a few days, it could get REALLY ugly....Especially when Norman Stone is involved.

haha, I do love it though in that print when they said he has 'roid rage how he just bursts out like that and gets all worked up and sweaty. That is a poor excuse but it is allegations like that, that will get kicked around. Toney has always acted like a baby.....

I dread this whole thing, nothing good can come out of this.

Lol, Toney acts like that all the time..dope or not! :D I think it's bad to accuse (or believe it) publicly without solid proof. Grasping at straws make you look more pathetic if and when it comes out that he was NOT on steroids. If he was, THEN claim that was the only reason he won (yeah, right... :rolleyes: ) and act all superior..til then, shut up already! The few fans he has are grabbing onto this like theyre drowning and it's a raft..sad. None of this eliminates the massive skill advantage Toney has over Ruiz. I dont like Toney..not at all, and I was damned impressed with the performance Ruiz put up in that fight, but skill is skill...some have more than others, regardless of doping.

I don't the way people talk about Toney like he is some second rate bum, Toney is a great fighter whether you, me or anyone else likes it.

Ruiz is the biggest steriod user in the sport; just look at the giant octopus body he has. Ruiz looks like Arnold S. but only bigger and much more cut.

Roids dont make you lean man. Only cutting steroids like Winnibol do. If you take pure test...you will actually get fat, because you need to consume a tremendous amount of calories in order to sustain new muscle mass.

Common misconception about steroids is they make you ripped, and shrink your dick and balls. Not true.


Winnibol is a nutritional supplement. Winnibol is not a steroid. You are probably thinking of Winstrol which is a steroid. I have used the Winnibol nutritional supplement and got okay results, but I was using creatine at the same time and think most of my gains were from the creatine. The supplement facts for Winnibol are listed below:

Winnibol Supplement Facts

Amount per Serving %DV
Iodine (from kelp) 150 mcg 100
Methandrozolol Proprietary Blend 900 mg*
*Daily Value Not Established

Ingredients: Methandrozolol Proprietary Blend contains: Alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine, Orchic (Bovine), Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL.

Other Ingredients: Dicalcium Phosphate, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Croscarmellose Sodium, Steric Acid, Silica, And Magnesium Stearate.


*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.