There is a lot of talk going around the boxing community that Wlad is a shot fighter. Wlad was brutally beaten by Sanders and a lot of people think that this ruined Wlad as a fighter. There might be some validity to that too. Its up to Wlad to prove it wrong. Love him or hate him, there is no current heavyweight champion or contender who has beaten as good of competition as Wlad has and in such dominate fashion and he is only 28 years old. There is no way that a prime Wlad becomes exhausted after 1 round of boxing. Though I don't understand why Manny would change Wlad's entire fighting style before a title fight as well. Wlad's style was not his problem. Why throw the European style out the window? If Wlad is in fact a shot fighter, he should lose or struggle to beat TOS. Either way TOS is clearly a better fighter than Brewster. There is no way a prime Wlad loses or struggles with TOS .

I kinda think he is. But if we see the Wlad that disected Mercer. He might get back in da mix. I think Sanders ruined him though!

Yeah I hope not, but unlike the Jones fans who refused to admit that it might be possible, I am able to admit it.

I hope Wlad comes back.

What? Its 7-1 that you guys think Wlad isn't shot. This is pretty surprising. Why do you all hate on him then? There is no one under 30 who is as good as Wlad if you guys don't think that he is shot.

Its not that he is shot, he has never been very good simple as that.

Its not that he is shot, he has never been very good simple as that.

Keep on hating. Being not very good somehow allowed him to be able to beat better competition than any current heavyweight contender or belt holder. Strange isn't it.

I would say that the vote count being as lopsided as it is can be attributed to people just plain and simple being a fan of Wlads and hoping that hes not shot as a fighter. Its like me thinking DLH was going to beat Hopkins. I knew that DLH was out matched, but I still hoped that he would win the fight. I think realistic Wlad fans know hes out of it now but still hold on to the hope that he can be great once again. IMO it's not going to happen. Once Wlad lost to Sanders he lost a lot of credibility, then we he embarassed him self and lost to that bum Brewster, he lost all credibility IMO. Wlad is done as a fighter. Maybe he could beat a Danny Williams or a Booker, but I think everyone else can take him out.

I know he beat Byrd, but I think he has been exposed now and if they were to fight again Byrd would beat him too.

I voted yes, but I a wiling to wait and see Saturday before I make my final decision.
He has skills, here is no doubt about that, but that chin is very questionable.
He showed a lot of heart, getting up time and time again against Sanders, but that was the first time he'd been beaten up like that. He followed that with a couple of sparring sessions disguised as fights, then got KO'd again by what was supposed to be another sparring session.
He beat up on Brewster like nobodies business, yet Brewster withstood everything and came back to clock him.
Losing in that manner can't be good for his confidence. Sanders and Brewster both were supposed to be easy victories, and both took him down. Of the 2, the Brewster fight has to weigh most heavily, because he unloaded everything he hadon the man and still got knocked out. Now he is likely questioning not only his chin, but his power.

If he comes out gunshy Saturday, he's shot. If he comes out and fights, I will give him another chance, unless he gets KO'd again. Then he's done.

I would say that the vote count being as lopsided as it is can be attributed to people just plain and simple being a fan of Wlads and hoping that hes not shot as a fighter. Its like me thinking DLH was going to beat Hopkins. I knew that DLH was out matched, but I still hoped that he would win the fight. I think realistic Wlad fans know hes out of it now but still hold on to the hope that he can be great once again. IMO it's not going to happen. Once Wlad lost to Sanders he lost a lot of credibility, then we he embarassed him self and lost to that bum Brewster, he lost all credibility IMO. Wlad is done as a fighter. Maybe he could beat a Danny Williams or a Booker, but I think everyone else can take him out.

I know he beat Byrd, but I think he has been exposed now and if they were to fight again Byrd would beat him too.

Well if he loses to TOS I'll cast my vote on your side. As for Byrd, if Wlad was exposed Byrd wouldn't be able to anything about it. He doesn't have any power.

Anyone who is more excited/interested by Wlad's return than Felix Trinidad's....lord help you.

Well if he loses to TOS I'll cast my vote on your side. As for Byrd, if Wlad was exposed Byrd wouldn't be able to anything about it. He doesn't have any power.

Yea, but it wasnt a power shot that KOed him in the Brewster fight. He back peddled from what looked like a jab to me. You just have to let Wlad wear himself out for about 5 rounds then hit him twice.

I voted yes, but I a wiling to wait and see Saturday before I make my final decision.
He has skills, here is no doubt about that, but that chin is very questionable.
He showed a lot of heart, getting up time and time again against Sanders, but that was the first time he'd been beaten up like that. He followed that with a couple of sparring sessions disguised as fights, then got KO'd again by what was supposed to be another sparring session.
He beat up on Brewster like nobodies business, yet Brewster withstood everything and came back to clock him.
Losing in that manner can't be good for his confidence. Sanders and Brewster both were supposed to be easy victories, and both took him down. Of the 2, the Brewster fight has to weigh most heavily, because he unloaded everything he hadon the man and still got knocked out. Now he is likely questioning not only his chin, but his power.

If he comes out gunshy Saturday, he's shot. If he comes out and fights, I will give him another chance, unless he gets KO'd again. Then he's done.
Fabio Moli was definately a waste of Wlad's time. I don't know if you saw the fight, but all Wlad did was land one weak hook, and Moli danced across the ring and dove into the ropes. I do think that you are short changing Dannel Nicholson though. The guy is no world beater but he is not as bad as you make him out to be. He beat John Ruiz, and he's only lost to Wlad, Tua, Johnson, Golota, and Jeremy Williams. Wlad finished him before everyone on that list except Williams who beat a very young version of Nicholson.

Wladimir was drugged. Vegas knows. The end.

Yea, but it wasnt a power shot that KOed him in the Brewster fight. He back peddled from what looked like a jab to me. You just have to let Wlad wear himself out for about 5 rounds then hit him twice.

That was in the 3rd round, and we already went over the fact that it wasn't a jab. What made Wlad take an 8 count in the 5th round were Brewster's hooks.

Wladimir was drugged. Vegas knows. The end.


My God, you're an idiot.

What made Wlad take an 8 count in the 5th round were Brewster's hooks. Actually it was the Mellaril he was drugged with.

Actually it was the Mellaril he was drugged with.


This is the first time I hear the name of the drug used on Wlad. How do you know? Have you read something that I have not read? Is it just an educated guess or more than that?

Actually it was the Mellaril he was drugged with.

Wlad will break your heart again, BathNeglechten.

He's not a real fighter. Real fighters get hit, take it & stay cool. This ***** has a heart attack.

My God, you're an idiot. The Sanders/Klitschko fight was pulled off every book in Vegas. I couldn't place a bet anywhere. This was because Vegas knew Wladimir was drugged. Every time that has happened before it has been due to fight fixing or point shaving. You are destitute so I would not expect you to realize how suspicious it is for only 2 wagers to cause the line to flop. Don King and his friend are blacklisted from sports betting in Vegas now.....why would that be?

wlad is the best heavyweight in the world bar none.. or second to mike

The Sanders/Klitschko fight was pulled off every book in Vegas. I couldn't place a bet anywhere. This was because Vegas knew Wladimir was drugged. Every time that has happened before it has been due to fight fixing or point shaving. You are destitute so I would not expect you to realize how suspicious it is for only 2 wagers to cause the line to flop. Don King and his friend are blacklisted from sports betting in Vegas now.....why would that be?

So, this "poison" was timed to kick in after Wlad was pummelling Brewtser ?
What a damn COUP !

A riot.....it's a riot how desperate you Klitschko fans are...
You're all so easy. Not liking the Klits is so rewarding because I know these guys will fail, & I know their pathetic fans will make total asses out of themselves. I love it !


You all be wringing your hands & gnashing your teeth when Williamson comes close to touching the Ukranian daisy.

Fabio Moli was definately a waste of Wlad's time. I don't know if you saw the fight, but all Wlad did was land one weak hook, and Moli danced across the ring and dove into the ropes. I do think that you are short changing Dannel Nicholson though. The guy is no world beater but he is not as bad as you make him out to be. He beat John Ruiz, and he's only lost to Wlad, Tua, Johnson, Golota, and Jeremy Williams. Wlad finished him before everyone on that list except Williams who beat a very young version of Nicholson.
Yes, but the fact remains that the guy was almost 37 and had never been considered better than a middle-tier heavyweight and has the track record to prove his ranking.

So, this "poison" was timed to kick in after Wlad was pummelling Brewtser ?
What a damn COUP !

A riot.....it's a riot how desperate you Klitschko fans are...
You're all so easy. Not liking the Klits is so rewarding because I know these guys will fail, & I know their pathetic fans will make total asses out of themselves. I love it !


You all be wringing your hands & gnashing your teeth when Williamson comes close to touching the Ukranian daisy.

I dont remember Wlad taking anything from Brewster in the 4th round.

So, this "poison" was timed to kick in after Wlad was pummelling Brewtser ? Klitschko looked off in the eyes from the get-go...

"Klitschko looked off in the eyes from the get-go..."

How would you know what a "fighter" should look like ?
You never fought, & are a psycho-fan of this non-fighter, Wlad.

"Klitschko looked off in the eyes from the get-go..."

How would you know what a "fighter" should look like.
You never fought, & are a psycho-fan of this non-fighter, Wlad.

Answer my question.

"Answer my question."

You need to ask me a question first.

Yes, but the fact remains that the guy was almost 37 and had never been considered better than a middle-tier heavyweight and has the track record to prove his ranking.

So I guess by losing to upper-tier heavyweights, and even having beaten the WBA belt holder makes one a middle-tier heavyweight? He was old, but a prime Nicholson was a upper B level heavyweight.

"Answer my question."

You need to ask me a question first.

Why did Wlad collapse at the end of the 4th round?

Because he was destroyed by anxiety & tension....the result of being unable to get Brewster out of there.

You guys really believe poison is the more likely cause of his collapse than something mental ?

Because he was destroyed by anxiety & tension....the result of being unable to get Brewster out of there.

You guys really believe poison is the more likely cause of his collapse than something mental ?

Actually you said, "So, this "poison" was timed to kick in after Wlad was pummelling Brewtser? What a damn COUP!" I guess you are going to want to retract that statement now then.

Retract what ?

Retract what ?

You said that the poison kicked in right when Brewster started to beat on him, when he actually collapsed in the 4th round.

Wrong....go back & re-read what I wrote. If you don't feel like doing that.... >>>>



"So, this "poison" was timed to kick in after Wlad was pummelling Brewtser ?
What a damn COUP ! "

You said that the poison kicked in right when Brewster started to beat on him, when he actually collapsed in the 4th round.


I think that he, as I do, feel the whole poison theory is rediculous.

A mature, intelligent adult should not believe in this lame-ass conspiracy theory.

Just accept the guy was beaten (again) & move on....or else you'll be going nuts searching for an excuse every time he gets whacked.

Oh ok I gotcha now.

Sometimes it helps to whack yourself in the melon a few times to reach a level rudimentary enough to fathom Jibby's intellectually penurious idiocy. Surround yourself with a halo of hebetation and his "message" shall be revealed to you.

Watch the fight!!! Inbetween the rounds manny was trying to squirt water in Vlads mouth and it was just pouring down his chin!!! He couldn't even drink it!!! That look on his face says it all!!! Something was wrong!!! Any reasonable Adult would realize that the Klitchko's would not get the FBI involved in this if they were making it all up!!! They obviously know this happened and the evidence was destroyed!!! The FBI will find the truth!!!

Strange how no one else sees anything wrong with switching styles right before a title fight.

Even a shot fighter isn't a shot fighter in today's 4-major belt heavyweight division.

I mean, aren't Tyson, Golota, Holyfield, and Rahman shot too? Riddick Bowe, Oliver McCall, and Bruce Seldon are still active!

With more talent at the top, a lot of guys would be done. Wlad would have maybe one more chance. I don't think he can afford to lose to Williamson, but he's far from done in the current heavyweight landscape.

Watch the fight!!! Inbetween the rounds manny was trying to squirt water in Vlads mouth and it was just pouring down his chin!!! He couldn't even drink it!!! That look on his face says it all!!! Something was wrong!!! Any reasonable Adult would realize that the Klitchko's would not get the FBI involved in this if they were making it all up!!! They obviously know this happened and the evidence was destroyed!!! The FBI will find the truth!!!
Care to link us to an article or 2 about the drug theory? preferably an article from a reputable source, not "blackhelos.com" or anything of that ilk.

Mentally shot.

Wladimir threw many punches at Brewster, and aggressively pursued him immediately when the fight began. I think he threw almost 70 punches per round. I don't think that sounds like someone who is mentally shot to me.

Keep on hating. Being not very good somehow allowed him to be able to beat better competition than any current heavyweight contender or belt holder. Strange isn't it. What beter competition, he tryed to fight better and got beat, strange isnt it, lol fool.

These Klit-lovers are missing the big point...

Yes, Wlad Klit is a talented offensive machine..& this enabled him to score some prety big wins.
But, his big wins & offensive prowess are overshadowed by his embarrassing losses & his defensive/mental lapses.

His losses showed more about him than his wins.

i think wlad has very some serious problems, but i also think he is young enough(25?26?), smart enough, and has enough support around him(vk, stewart)to overcome it and still be a force in the division....

i think wlad has very some serious problems, but i also think he is young enough(25?26?), smart enough, and has enough support around him(vk, stewart)to overcome it and still be a force in the division....

I believe his mental problems (as a fighter) are overwhelming.
He can beat a lot of people on ability alone. But, he'll lose every time the opponent gets competitive.

it would be smart to stay clear of guys with tough chins like brewster, toney and tua... he would have a good chance against rahman, ruiz, fres, byrd(good chin, but no power), barrett, mesi,

I think this fight is a mistake for both fighters. As far as conspiracy theories go, I don't think the "anxiety attack" theory is any better than the "being drugged" or "punching himself out" theories. Regardless, most people will agree that he looked winded after the first round. In any case, I think TOS will dominate him and get a late round TKO, or Vlad will quit. Does anyone know the odds for this fight?

I think this fight is a mistake for both fighters. As far as conspiracy theories go, I don't think the "anxiety attack" theory is any better than the "being drugged" or "punching himself out" theories. Regardless, most people will agree that he looked winded after the first round. In any case, I think TOS will dominate him and get a late round TKO, or Vlad will quit. Does anyone know the odds for this fight?

I have just watched Wlad vs McCline which ended with TKO10. Wlad that fought McCline can not be defeated.

I have just watched Wlad vs McCline which ended with TKO10. Wlad that fought McCline can not be defeated.

I just watched Brewster-Wlad, Sanders-Wlad....& that Wlad was, & can be, defeated.

I just watched Brewster-Wlad, Sanders-Wlad....& that Wlad was, & can be, defeated.

Did you know that if you fart directly into your nose using a garden hose, you can get really high?

I just watched Brewster-Wlad, Sanders-Wlad....& that Wlad was, & can be, defeated.

He was and can be defeated. My point is that if he restores his will and determination that made him an Olympic champion, he will win.

In any case, let's wait for Oct 2 results.

Panzerboy.....

Speaking of smells.....I smell another pussified Klitschko fan, in you.
There are nutlickers...& then there are Klit fans.
Whole different type of cum-draining animal.

He was and can be defeated. My point is that if he restores his will and determination that made him an Olympic champion, he will win.

In any case, let's wait for Oct 2 results.

The Willaimson fight will prove nothing.
Williams is an undersized, frail fighter who was knocked silly by JOE MESI..in one round.

Panzerboy.....

Speaking of smells.....I smell another pussified Klitschko fan, in you.
There are nutlickers...& then there are Klit fans.
Whole different type of cum-draining animal.

I am sorry, but my mother won't let me talk to people of your ...kind, on the net.

nice going.. must be a wonderful world inside your head. Keep it up, *****!

I don't think Wladimir is shot BUT i do think he is not championship material and i do not think he ever will be. The way he tired in the Brewster fight was pathetic, he burnt himself out by trying to knock out Brewster from round 1. Getting beaten by Corrie Sanders was one thing but getting beaten by Lamon Brewster lost all my interest in him and therefore i cannot take him seriously at all as any kind of a threat. Vitali on the other hand is a respectable fighter who is championship material. I find it very ironic that a few years ago everyone thought Wladimir was the best because he excelled faster and looks more talented but it's only a matter of time before fighters get exposed. The sad thing with Wladimir is that i think he is more talented than Vitali boxing skills wise but seems to lack stamina and a chin. Who knows i may be wrong, perhaps his problems are mental but either way he will never be a successful champion.

I don't think Wladimir is shot BUT i do think he is not championship material and i do not think he ever will be. The way he tired in the Brewster fight was pathetic, he burnt himself out by trying to knock out Brewster from round 1. Getting beaten by Corrie Sanders was one thing but getting beaten by Lamon Brewster lost all my interest in him and therefore i cannot take him seriously at all as any kind of a threat. Vitali on the other hand is a respectable fighter who is championship material. I find it very ironic that a few years ago everyone thought Wladimir was the best because he excelled faster and looks more talented but it's only a matter of time before fighters get exposed. The sad thing with Wladimir is that i think he is more talented than Vitali boxing skills wise but seems to lack stamina and a chin. Who knows i may be wrong, perhaps his problems are mental but either way he will never be a successful champion.


Yeah.. And you've got a nice avatar. Why don't you go and hide somewhere!

I don't think Wladimir is shot BUT i do think he is not championship material and i do not think he ever will be. The way he tired in the Brewster fight was pathetic, he burnt himself out by trying to knock out Brewster from round 1. Getting beaten by Corrie Sanders was one thing but getting beaten by Lamon Brewster lost all my interest in him and therefore i cannot take him seriously at all as any kind of a threat. Vitali on the other hand is a respectable fighter who is championship material. I find it very ironic that a few years ago everyone thought Wladimir was the best because he excelled faster and looks more talented but it's only a matter of time before fighters get exposed. The sad thing with Wladimir is that i think he is more talented than Vitali boxing skills wise but seems to lack stamina and a chin. Who knows i may be wrong, perhaps his problems are mental but either way he will never be a successful champion.

I understand your view. I still hope he comes back.

Yeah.. And you've got a nice avatar. Why don't you go and hide somewhere!

:) I'm just stating my opinion thats all.

I don't think Wladimir is shot BUT i do think he is not championship material and i do not think he ever will be. The way he tired in the Brewster fight was pathetic, he burnt himself out by trying to knock out Brewster from round 1. Getting beaten by Corrie Sanders was one thing but getting beaten by Lamon Brewster lost all my interest in him and therefore i cannot take him seriously at all as any kind of a threat. Vitali on the other hand is a respectable fighter who is championship material. I find it very ironic that a few years ago everyone thought Wladimir was the best because he excelled faster and looks more talented but it's only a matter of time before fighters get exposed. The sad thing with Wladimir is that i think he is more talented than Vitali boxing skills wise but seems to lack stamina and a chin. Who knows i may be wrong, perhaps his problems are mental but either way he will never be a successful champion.


The only thing more stupid than this reasoning must be your avatar. Please go back to bed! Do not bother the world into annoyance that will smack you!

The only thing more stupid than this reasoning must be your avatar. Please go back to bed! Do not bother the world into annoyance that will smack you!

I don't know what your problem is but if you haven't realised this is a FORUM where people post to express their own opinions on things. If you don't like hearing anyone elses apart from your own then just do us all a favour and close your account and talk with yourself in your bedroom or wherever you are. :cool:

I don't know what your problem is but if you haven't realised this is a FORUM where people post to express there own opinions on things. If you don't like hearing anyone elses apart from your own then just do us all a favour and close your account and talk with yourself in your bedroom or wherever you are. :cool:


I can do you a favour, but the world won't.. And I'm just pointing out that you are a pathetic dreamer, and probably a retard too.. Now don't get annoyed with me for telling you this, get annoyed with all them other people, cause you must've heard this loads of times before..

The only thing more stupid than this reasoning must be your avatar. Please go back to bed! Do not bother the world into annoyance that will smack you!


Paznerboy, are you that much of a ***** that this good, honest, non-biased post by WEZ got you that upset ?

Relax, sissy.

I can do you a favour, but the world won't.. And I'm just pointing out that you are a pathetic dreamer, and probably a retard too.. Now don't get annoyed with me for telling you this, get annoyed with all them other people, cause you must've heard this loads of times before..

Listen newbie you have joined this forum with the wrong attitude completely, i simply expressed my opinion about Wladimir Klitschko and you started crying and insulting me. Look if you can't handle your boyfriend getting criticised then why don't you do us all a favour like i said and leave. You are the only person who disagrees with my comments. Nautilus is a Klitschko fan but he is grown up enough to respect my opinion and comment in a civilised manor like most adults do. :cool:

Listen newbie you have joined this forum with the wrong attitude completely, i simply expressed my opinion about Wladimir Klitschko and you started crying and insulting me. Look if you can't handle your boyfriend getting criticised then why don't you do us all a favour like i said and leave. You are the only person who disagrees with my comments. Nautilus is a Klitschko fan but he is grown up enough to respect my opinion and comment in a civilised manor like most adults do. :cool:

Hey!! I'm like Klitschko, I'll kick all your retards asses! Just watch me! Just dream it otherwise, suck on it!

Hey!! I'm like Klitschko, I'll kick all your retards asses! Just watch me! Just dream it otherwise, suck on it!

Hmmmmm another unwitty and unfunny internet tough guy. How boring and tiresome. If you come up with a reasonable "Boxing Related" discussion then i will reply but other than that goodbye idiot. :cool:

"I'm like Klitschko"

You take naked photos with your brother & fall down when your chin gets tapped ?

Hmmmmm another unwitty and unfunny internet tough guy. How boring and tiresome. If you come up with a reasonable "Boxing Related" discussion then i will reply but other than that goodbye idiot. :cool:

Yeah.. How's the weather in Florida, bye the way?

"I'm like Klitschko"

You take naked photos with your brother & fall down when your chin gets tapped ?

No, I'm in Hell, and I've just typed your name into the main computer..

No, I'm in Hell, and I've just typed your name into the main computer..

You get more & more strange, less & less funny....with each post.

Whodathunk Ukranian **** was a hallucenogenic ?

You get more & more strange, less & less funny....with each post.

Whodathunk Ukranian **** was a hallucenogenic ?

You know I won't try and reply to this one..

So you're actually admitting that I was funny at first..? Satan, come look at this!!

"So you're actually admitting that I was funny at first..? Satan, come look at this!!"

No....not at all. Your comedy started at zero & is now in a negative.

C'mon....you're managing to embarrass the other Klit fans now. Do you know how hard that is ?

"So you're actually admitting that I was funny at first..? Satan, come look at this!!"

No....not at all. Your comedy started at zero & is now in a negative.

C'mon....you're managing to embarrass the other Klit fans now. Do you know how hard that is ?

Just keep watching the fights.. That'll have ya laughing all the way to the sanatarium!

We should introduce Pansyboy to Nicht...I think they would play together quite nicely.

We should introduce Pansyboy to Nicht...I think they would play together quite nicely.

I play you like the little crying girl that you are. Now, why don'tcha go back to watching movies? Keep them dreams rollin', buddy!

We should introduce Pansyboy to Nicht...I think they would play together quite nicely.

Sounds good. One pompous, Euro-windbag....& a loudmouth Euro-windbag.
It's amazing how the love of the Klits can unite folk, isn't it ?
They can sit around the next time Wlad flops around on the canvas, & dream up conspiracy theories...

I play you like the little crying girl that you are. Now, why don'tcha go back to watching movies? Keep them dreams rollin', buddy!

What are you saying here exactly?

What are you saying here exactly?

What does it look like I'm saying, Ringo?!

Sounds good. One pompous, Euro-windbag....& a loudmouth Euro-windbag.
It's amazing how the love of the Klits can unite folk, isn't it ?
They can sit around the next time Wlad flops around on the canvas, & dream up conspiracy theories...

Yeah? And I've got a conspiracy theory for yourself, what was it that your mother did to you when you was little that made you so screvy??! Or are your family just naturally perverts..??

What does it look like I'm saying, Ringo?!

I don't exactly know...that's why I was asking you my little Fjord dwelling hombre.

I don't think Wladimir is shot BUT i do think he is not championship material and i do not think he ever will be. The way he tired in the Brewster fight was pathetic, he burnt himself out by trying to knock out Brewster from round 1. Getting beaten by Corrie Sanders was one thing but getting beaten by Lamon Brewster lost all my interest in him and therefore i cannot take him seriously at all as any kind of a threat. Vitali on the other hand is a respectable fighter who is championship material. I find it very ironic that a few years ago everyone thought Wladimir was the best because he excelled faster and looks more talented but it's only a matter of time before fighters get exposed. The sad thing with Wladimir is that i think he is more talented than Vitali boxing skills wise but seems to lack stamina and a chin. Who knows i may be wrong, perhaps his problems are mental but either way he will never be a successful champion.


if john ruiz can come back and become a 2-time champ anything is possible

I don't exactly know...that's why I was asking you my little Fjord dwelling hombre.

Well, maybe if you ask your mother, she can spell it out for you?

Well, maybe if you ask your mother, she can spell it out for you?

Nope she doesn't seem to know either. What's the deal?

Nope she doesn't seem to know either. What's the deal?

Really? If you post her picture I'll try and play her part!

Really? If you post her picture I'll try and play her part!

Swimmy...swammy...sl slappy...SAMSONITE!

Swimmy...swammy...sl slappy...SAMSONITE!

You seen that movie too..? Good! Keep impressing me.. Your mother must be proud!

What beter competition, he tryed to fight better and got beat, strange isnt it, lol fool.

Byrd, McCline, Barrett, Mercer, Botha, Jefferson. He was beaten by worse competition than he beat.

I don't think Wladimir is shot BUT i do think he is not championship material and i do not think he ever will be. The way he tired in the Brewster fight was pathetic, he burnt himself out by trying to knock out Brewster from round 1. Getting beaten by Corrie Sanders was one thing but getting beaten by Lamon Brewster lost all my interest in him and therefore i cannot take him seriously at all as any kind of a threat. Vitali on the other hand is a respectable fighter who is championship material. I find it very ironic that a few years ago everyone thought Wladimir was the best because he excelled faster and looks more talented but it's only a matter of time before fighters get exposed. The sad thing with Wladimir is that i think he is more talented than Vitali boxing skills wise but seems to lack stamina and a chin. Who knows i may be wrong, perhaps his problems are mental but either way he will never be a successful champion.

Which is exactly why many people think that he is shot. He threw way more punches against Mercer, took more punches in return, and never showed that he was tiring at all.

Wladimir threw many punches at Brewster, and aggressively pursued him immediately when the fight began. I think he threw almost 70 punches per round. I don't think that sounds like someone who is mentally shot to me.

He is mentally shot, when he had to make up some bs about his loss. When he cant realize what went wrong and what he is gonna do to make sure it dont happen again. From now on he is gonna start breathing heavy and he is gonna think of brewster and he is gonna start thinking did they ****e my water again etc. And boom down he is gonna go again cus he wont have focus.

Why is he shot? He looked absolutely brilliant in the early rounds against Brewster and was on the verge of stopping him before running out of gas. He isn't shot in my opinion.

if he gets some legs he can be great.. 22 inch thighs my gawd and virali 23 aint much better they will nver to be able to take a great shot so its just a matter of time lewis 26 rahman 27 tyson 27 tua 30 frazier 26 ali 25 foreman 25 holmes 25 morrison 26 kelvin davis 26.5 if they dont do squats it wont last long

Why is he shot? He looked absolutely brilliant in the early rounds against Brewster and was on the verge of stopping him before running out of gas. He isn't shot in my opinion.

He looked brilliant against Brewster, former Etienne victim, for a few rounds....as he should have.
But he collapsed when the man didn't go...memories of Corrie sanders running through his head.
He now knows he doesn't have what it takes when things get tough.
He will fold faster in the future.

He looked brilliant against Brewster, former Etienne victim, for a few rounds....as he should have.
But he collapsed when the man didn't go...memories of Corrie sanders running through his head.
He now knows he doesn't have what it takes when things get tough.
He will fold faster in the future.
Where were you when Corrales dropped Freitas for the 3rd time? I wish I knew what Freitas was thinking, and a psychic would've come in handy. The thing is, you have no idea what he was thinking. For all we know, Wladmir could've been thinking about how Flavor Flav is funny on "The Surreal Life". Honestly, how many heavyweights not named Lamon could've withstood that barrage Wladmir was dishing out?

Where were you when Corrales dropped Freitas for the 3rd time? I wish I knew what Freitas was thinking, and a psychic would've come in handy. The thing is, you have no idea what he was thinking. For all we know, Wladmir could've been thinking about how Flavor Flav is funny on "The Surreal Life". Honestly, how many heavyweights not named Lamon could've withstood that barrage Wladmir was dishing out?

I have seen fighters, many of them, deliver more sustained & vicious beatings, over a long period of time, than the one Wlad was giving to Brewster.
Have you ever boxed, Asian one ? If you have, at some point you face a crisis...if you tense up, watch how quickly you tire...how ineffective you become.
This is what happened to Wlad.

Another thing....REAL fighters maintain their cool & some technique when hurt, pressured, or tired. look at Wlad in his fights with Sanders & Brewster....once he was in the least bit of trouble...his punches & defense became pathetic.
That's **** that cannot be taught....you either have the instict of a fighter, or you don't. This guy doesn't. He's well-trained & athletic. You can get by with that until crunch time. That's when this boy gets c-r-u-n-c-h-e-d.

The proof is there...he's been stopped 3 times already !

There's a term for Wlad, & his fans need to accept it....
FRONTRUNNER.

I have seen fighters, many of them, deliver more sustained & vicious beatings, over a long period of time, than the one Wlad was giving to Brewster.
Have you ever boxed, Asian one ? If you have, at some point you face a crisis...if you tense up, watch how quickly you tire...how ineffective you become.
This is what happened to Wlad.


Yes I have boxing experience. I am an amateur with a 15-0(9 KO) record. I was the 2003 125 lb. Diamond Glove Champion. I have been fatigued in the ring, but thats where all that respect you earned in the previous rounds pay off. :)

There's a term for Wlad, & his fans need to accept it....
FRONTRUNNER.

Frontrunner? The guy isn't even top 10! That's like saying you're a front runner if you are a Brewers fan.

You have NINE KO's in 15 amateur fights ?

That is an incredible percentage for an amateur. You box out of Jersey City, I assume ?
Sh*t, let me know if you ever come down to Philadelphia to fight..I'll definitely come & check you out.

I have seen fighters, many of them, deliver more sustained & vicious beatings, over a long period of time, than the one Wlad was giving to Brewster.
Have you ever boxed, Asian one ? If you have, at some point you face a crisis...if you tense up, watch how quickly you tire...how ineffective you become.
This is what happened to Wlad.

Another thing....REAL fighters maintain their cool & some technique when hurt, pressured, or tired. look at Wlad in his fights with Sanders & Brewster....once he was in the least bit of trouble...his punches & defense became pathetic.
That's **** that cannot be taught....you either have the instict of a fighter, or you don't. This guy doesn't. He's well-trained & athletic. You can get by with that until crunch time. That's when this boy gets c-r-u-n-c-h-e-d.

The proof is there...he's been stopped 3 times already !


How about some examples.

Care to link us to an article or 2 about the drug theory? preferably an article from a reputable source, not "blackhelos.com" or anything of that ilk.
All you have to do is put "Wladimir Klitchko drugged" in as a search and thousands of links pop up!!! It was all over the place!!!

Why doesn't anybody remeber what a glass chinned awkward **** Lewis was until Manny got a hold of him!!! Manny made Lewis what he became and he will do the same for Wlad!!! Manny is the greatest at setting a gameplan for his fighters!!! Even if you think Wlad has a weak chin like Lewis... Manny will teach Wlad how to protect it and become as if not more dominant then Lewis was!!! In my opinion Wlad has to fight the dangerous fights like Lewis did!!! Just sit back and use his jab!!! He doesn't have to blow every one away!!! I think that he feels like he has to though... If he does just take it a little easier in there like he did against McCline he will never lose!!! He gave McCline no chance to win!!!

Why doesn't anybody remeber what a glass chinned awkward **** Lewis was until Manny got a hold of him!!! Manny made Lewis what he became and he will do the same for Wlad!!! Manny is the greatest at setting a gameplan for his fighters!!! Even if you think Wlad has a weak chin like Lewis... Manny will teach Wlad how to protect it and become as if not more dominant then Lewis was!!! In my opinion Wlad has to fight the dangerous fights like Lewis did!!! Just sit back and use his jab!!! He doesn't have to blow every one away!!! I think that he feels like he has to though... If he does just take it a little easier in there like he did against McCline he will never lose!!! He gave McCline no chance to win!!!

Didnt he have Manny when he lost to Brewster and Sanders?

Didnt he have Manny when he lost to Brewster and Sanders?

Wlad had Manny as a trainer only for brewster

Wlad had Manny as a trainer only for brewster

yes....& they are batting a sweet .000 together !

Wlad had Manny as a trainer only for brewster

Well he didnt do too much for his chin... He should have known before that fight that his chin was suspect. IMO he looked a lot worse in the Brewster fight than he did against Sanders and I dont want to hear any "he was drugged" ****.

Well he didnt do too much for his chin... He should have known before that fight that his chin was suspect. IMO he looked a lot worse in the Brewster fight than he did against Sanders and I dont want to hear any "he was drugged" ****.


Are you implying that Manny drugged Wlad ? :p

Manny is an evil person.

Manny is an evil person.


like that dude in the Unbreakable

Are you implying that Manny drugged Wlad ? :p

Hey! Another conspiracy theory. Its only a matter of time befre this one catches on. :)

Hey! Another conspiracy theory. Its only a matter of time befre this one catches on. :)


Conspiracy theories are true a lot of times. An excellent way to dismiss a theory of evil-doing is to call it a conspiracy theory. :cool:

I do science for living, and there is an enormous amount of crafty backstabbing and sabottage in there. It would surprise me if boxing had less of that.

Didnt he have Manny when he lost to Brewster and Sanders?


Just against brewster!!!

Well he didnt do too much for his chin... He should have known before that fight that his chin was suspect. IMO he looked a lot worse in the Brewster fight than he did against Sanders and I dont want to hear any "he was drugged" ****.
For some reason I don't like Wlad's new America style. I much prefered the Euro style. And you are right he is batting a smooth .000 with the American style. He just didn't look comfortable with it at all. In a perfect world Lewis would have retired right away and not kept everyone waiting. Therefore Wlad and Manny could have at least gotten in 1 or maybe 2 fights with Manny his style before the WBO title match.

For some reason I don't like Wlad's new America style. I much prefered the Euro style. And you are right he is batting a smooth .000 with the American style. He just didn't look comfortable with it at all. In a perfect world Lewis would have retired right away and not kept everyone waiting. Therefore Wlad and Manny could have at least gotten in 1 or maybe 2 fights with Manny his style before the WBO title match.

I liked his old style much better, but we saw only one fight with the new style. It may be too early to tell at this point ...

I liked his old style much better, but we saw only one fight with the new style. It may be too early to tell at this point ...

True but it just seems like the Euro style makes it a lot easier to keep opponents off him without even having to throw many punches, ie the way the left is used to measure your opponent. He also didn't seem to get his body into his punches as much with American style as he did with the euro style. Hopefully Manny has at least fixed that.

True but it just seems like the Euro style makes it a lot easier to keep opponents off him without even having to throw many punches, ie the way the left is used to measure your opponent. He also didn't seem to get his body into his punches as much with American style as he did with the euro style. Hopefully Manny has at least fixed that.

I felt that Roach had done a better job with Vit and Wlad than Manny does now. Ofcourse, Vit and Wlad know better whom to work with. I wonder if Vit works with Manny as closely as Wlad does.

I felt that Roach had done a better job with Vit and Wlad than Manny does now. Ofcourse, Vit and Wlad know better whom to work with. I wonder if Vit works with Manny as closely as Wlad does.

I will say that Vitali looked better under Roach, but it'd be kind of hard to say that Wlad looked that good under Roach seeing as how I think he only fought Nicholson with him right? Either way Moli wouldn't matter.

I will say that Vitali looked better under Roach, but it'd be kind of hard to say that Wlad looked that good under Roach seeing as how I think he only fought Nicholson with him right? Either way Moli wouldn't matter.

You are right. Roach looked better for Vitaly, but since K. Johnson is a very different fighter than Sanders, it may be hard to make much out of that. Did Roach train Vit for Lewis?

You are right. Roach looked better for Vitaly, but since K. Johnson is a very different fighter than Sanders, it may be hard to make much out of that. Did Roach train Vit for Lewis?

I don't think so, and I don't think Vitali looked that great against him either. He respected him way too much. Its like the whole purpose of the his left hook was to cause as little damage as possible. Its sad that he was able to own Lewis with basically only a jab and a straight right.

I don't think so, and I don't think Vitali looked that great against him either.

The fight with Johnson seemed like a big improvement.


Its like the whole purpose of the his left hook was to cause as little damage as possible. Its sad that he was able to own Lewis with basically only a jab and a straight right.

I thought that he threw the left hook only once or twice... but it was exactly what you said.

Wasn't Wlad still using his "Euro" style when he was annihilated by Sanders ?

His Euro style consisted of leaving his unmoving head straight up in the air....& made him a ridiculously easy target for Sanders' left hand.
That's why Steward was brought in.

color wlad's skin black so don king wouldnt have poisoned him and he would be heavyweight champ!

color wlad's skin black so don king wouldnt have poisoned him and he would be heavyweight champ!


Wlad is ducking Corrie Sanders.

while, i think wlad would beat brewster in a rematch, i'd favor sanders over him if they fought again.... wlad would have to put his offensive arsenal on hold for 3 or 4 rounds til sanders gets tired.... and during that time he'd have to avoid that wicked left hand... i think manny could come up with a game plan to do it, but wlad needs alot more time to recover from the these last 2 losses....

color wlad's skin black so don king wouldnt have poisoned him and he would be heavyweight champ!
don king dont give **** about color.. he just want money look what he did to tyson lewis bryd ect

Williamson: I'll outthink Dr. Klitschko!

September 30, 2004

By Andre Courtemanche

“I remember Muhammad Ali saying in one of his interviews that for his fight against George Foreman, he had to suffer to win. I was trying to adopt some of that and push myself where I’ve never been before. I had to use guys who could push me to that level. Your heart is burning and you want to give up and you say ‘hey, I have two more rounds to go.’ You suffer and do it over and over until it become muscle memory. Keeping your hands, up, moving this way, slipping this punch, until it becomes natural. Then you’re ready.” --DaVarryl Williamson

Not thinking much of an opponent is what DaVarryl “Touch of Sleep” Williamson says caused him to end up flat on his back last year against Baby Joe Mesi. On Saturday night, Williamson, 20-2 (17), will have a chance to erase the memory of that loss when he takes on former WBO champ Wladimir Klitschko at Caesars Palace Casino in Las Vegas.

And in a fight being billed as “the most educated heavyweight fight in history,” Williamson, who holds a Masters Degree in Administrative Services and is also a Bachelor of Science, claims he will not only beat Dr. Klitschko, but he will do it by outsmarting him.

“Believe it or not, although he has a doctorate degree, I’m going to outthink him,” said Williamson. “I’m not going to go right after him. You have to be tactical to beat this guy. You want to make him fight when he doesn’t want to fight. I can’t give all my strategy away, but I’ll be trying to trick this guy. I have to give him the optical illusion; I’m there then I’m not.”

Williamson says he’s just glad to be getting this opportunity after the horrendous setback to Mesi. Sometimes in boxing, suffering a loss is good career move because suddenly everyone is willing to fight you. And Williamson has made the most of it so far, scoring two consecutive wins, one an NABF title-winning effort against Eliecer Castillo. “I feel great man. I’m really, really excited about being back in Vegas and about getting a second chance to make a first impression to the worldwide fans of boxing.”

A win puts Williamson among the serious contenders for a title shot; a fact he is well aware of. “When they told me I had the fight, I felt like I had hit the lottery because after me losing to Mesi in September of last year, what I kept asking myself was how can I get back in to the thick of things? One was by beating Eliecer Castillo. That brought me back to life and this fight here will not only bring me back to life, but a victory will put me right where I need to be. When I win this fight, I’ll be right back in the thick of things. Heavyweight boxing is a beautiful thing. One minute you’re written off and the next, you’re right back in it.”

Regardless of what Klitschko brings to the table, Williamson says it’s his time to prove himself worthy and put away the past for good. “I’m ready for this. I’m more than ready. I just want to make sure I go out and execute. No hiccups. You’re going to get hit, but you want to hit him a lot more than he hits you. I haven’t boxed against him, so I’m worried and concerned with every move he makes and that’s good. With Baby Joe, I didn’t have that concern. I practically raised him in the amateurs. Therefore, I was looking beyond him. I didn’t give him enough focus or concentration and it cost me dearly. This time, there will be none of that. I’m coming out with my mind sharp and my punches sharper and I’m going to win. Tell everyone to watch what I do Saturday night.”

don king dont give **** about color.. he just want money look what he did to tyson lewis bryd ect

No!!! It's about if they are American OR signed with King!!!

He was never good to begin with. He was just slightly less clumsy than his older brother....but every bit as robotic.

I like Wladimir. I am very interested in his fights. He looks very tall and very big. I think he is a very good boxer. I hope he will be champion again.

sorry winter but glass jaw, lack of stamina and too easy to hit.

anyone with a punch knows they can take him out, when it came to chins his brother got his share.

If Manny Steward works with Wlad on his defensive game, I feel as though Wlad will re-enter the contender picture. His offense is second to none but his defense is what's haunted him in his past.

If Manny Steward works with Wlad on his defensive game, I feel as though Wlad will re-enter the contender picture. His offense is second to none but his defense is what's haunted him in his past.

It's hard to get that much better defensively when you're as far into your career as is Wlad.

Even if he works hard as hell on his defense....it will only show in the early parts of a fight.
When fatigue sets in....he'll forget what he learned.
He needed it to be instilled in him & it never will be.

excellent post Jabs, recent example over this side of the pond was Steve Murray against Graeme Earl at lightweight. Murray a terrific banger (at domestic level) but somewhat lax in his defence, the first 3 rounds he had terrific success but by the fourth the hands started to drop the old habits came back and sure enough he was stopped in the 6th.

It's hard to get that much better defensively when you're as far into your career as is Wlad.

Even if he works hard as hell on his defense....it will only show in the early parts of a fight.
When fatigue sets in....he'll forget what he learned.
He needed it to be instilled in him & it never will be.

Agreed. It's a lot harder to keep your concentration and poise when you're about to collapse from exhaustion. He'll need a lot of work to tighten up his defense and keep that chin protected.

At this point in his career Wladimir has a lot to prove.

Wasn't Wlad still using his "Euro" style when he was annihilated by Sanders ?

His Euro style consisted of leaving his unmoving head straight up in the air....& made him a ridiculously easy target for Sanders' left hand.
That's why Steward was brought in.

I guess its been a long time since you saw that fight.

Wlad is ducking Corrie Sanders.

Every opponent who has beaten Wlad refuses to give him a rematch.

sorry winter but glass jaw, lack of stamina and too easy to hit.

anyone with a punch knows they can take him out, when it came to chins his brother got his share.

I think anyone with a big punch can take anyone out. I have a feeling very few fighters can take a big punch. I hope Wladimir does not have a glass jaw like you said. I have a feeling he does not have a glass jaw. He would not have been champion before if he had this.

I guess its been a long time since you saw that fight.


You're gonna have to explain that.

JabsRstiff, you told me you did not hate the Klitschkos. You lied to me. If you lie about one thing, what else will you lie about. You may be saying many bad things about the Klitschkos, not because you think it is true, but instead you say these things because you hate the Klitschkos and their fans.

JabsRstiff, you told me you did not hate the Klitschkos. You lied to me. If you lie about one thing, what else will you lie about. You may be saying many bad things about the Klitschkos, not because you think it is true, but instead you say these things because you hate the Klitschkos and their fans.

You are wrong, & far too sensitive.

I have some respect for Vitali Klitschko, & I believe he's the man to beat in the divison.
But....I tell it like it is with Wladimir.

I think it's a disgrace that so many of his fans have bought & perpetrated the theory of his being drugged.


I don't hate Wlad....I just think his future is limited.
Unlike so many of his misinformed & delusional fans....I see what's what.

I don't hate Wlad's fans.
Some, at least, like him but are willing to accept reality.


Then there's those who argue out of wishful thinking.
They tend to be beligerent, racist, & clueless.
Then there's you honey....IN LOVE.


This is a cruel, rough sport, Taty....

JabsRstiff, you told me you did not hate the Klitschkos. You lied to me. If you lie about one thing, what else will you lie about. You may be saying many bad things about the Klitschkos, not because you think it is true, but instead you say these things because you hate the Klitschkos and their fans.


I actually thought that JabsRstiff is reasonable most of the time. He does pick up fights with some of K2 fans, but I don't think he is the one who usually starts them. Basically, he is quite reasonable outside these fights.

I have not read many of his posts, so I may be wrong. ;)

Naut....

The Klits don't do anything outside of the ring to make me hate them.
I just believe Wlad has been overrated, & now has been exposed.
His fans who refuse to accept he's limited & actually get upset when people point that out..I guess I do hate them.

Naut....

The Klits don't do anything outside of the ring to make me hate them.
I just believe Wlad has been overrated, & now has been exposed.
His fans who refuse to accept he's limited & actually get upset when people point that out..I guess I do hate them.


Are you picking up a fight ? ;)

Jabs certainly is not with Winter. She is far too cute.

You're gonna have to explain that.

The only punch landed to support your theory was when Sanders clocked him with a minute left in the 1st round with a straight left. As for the rest of it, Wlad just stands there flailing throwing worthless punches. He is a horrible inside fighter, and he should have backed up and circled to his left to create some distance. This is exactly how Vitali fought Sanders. Instead he would just stand there and get tagged or he would circle to his right thus walking right into Sanders straight left. This horrible defensive performance by Wlad had little to do with the Euro style.

I don't hate Wlad's fans.
Some, at least, like him but are willing to accept reality.


Then there's those who argue out of wishful thinking.
They tend to be beligerent, racist, & clueless.
Then there's you honey....IN LOVE.


This is a cruel, rough sport, Taty....

The same could be said about Roy Jones Jr.'s career at light heavyweight.

The same could be said about Roy Jones Jr.'s career at light heavyweight.


Roy was great when he beat Hopkins and Toney, and pretty pathetic afterwards.

Roy was great when he beat Hopkins and Toney, and pretty pathetic afterwards.

Which is exactly how I feel as well.

they can back up and move around becuase of 22 inch thighs on theese huge men... and they cant fight inside tyson would love to fight them

they can back up and move around becuase of 22 inch thighs on theese huge men... and they cant fight inside tyson would love to fight them

Instead of fighting them, tyson chose to fight some bum ... in the end ... he "just sat there like a pack of sand"

My God, you're an idiot.
What exactly is your problem & what kind of crack are you smoking?

I watched the fight tonight

Can I change my answer now?