I know I will get a lot of Sh** for this, chinless or not, Wladimir Klitschko is my favorite fighter for one reason. His offense. I would like to know of boxers you guys think have a better offense than Wlad, in any weight class.

john ruiz :cool:

In any weight class leaves it too wide open. Its a lot easier to be coordinated and throw a lot of punches when you are smaller. I don't know how anyone could say Wlad isn't the best offensive heavyweight. If they don't think that he is, they obviously haven't seen very many of his fights.

In any weight class leaves it too wide open. Its a lot easier to be coordinated and throw a lot of punches when you are smaller. I don't know how anyone could say Wlad isn't the best offensive heavyweight. If they don't think that he is, they obviously haven't seen very many of his fights.
true only if he had his big bros heart. Man could it would be one sacry MF. OH WELL

he does see openings very well, and punches for them.

couldnt have said it better. If he could take a punch and had the heart that is needed to compete, he would be nearly unstoppable at this point in his career. he is almost a fantastic fighter. But "if" is an imporant word, and "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. He is still my favorite fighter though, unfortunatly.

I don't see his heart being an issue. I think his questionable chin and defense along with his tendency to panic are the bigger issues.

im not a Klit fan at all but its hard to lie about wlad's offensive skills. take the glass jaw away and you've got a hell of a fighter.

I don't see his heart being an issue. I think his questionable chin and defense along with his tendency to panic are the bigger issues.

I do not think he has the chin problem. The habit of panicing seems much more of a problem, but it should be fixed after enough of tough fights. Manny Stewart and his big brother should help him out. I think VK and WK should start sparring each other. Where else would WK find such a great sparring partner ?

you guys all make good points, i was certain that i would get torn to shreds for this post. it's my first day on here. he does panic. and he is HORRIBLE at tying up when in trouble. i just wish i could throw a left hook the way he does, i would go around hitting anyone i saw with one! :eek: just kidding, or am i?

I do not think he has the chin problem. The habit of panicing seems much more of a problem, but it should be fixed after enough of tough fights. Manny Stewart and his big brother should help him out. I think VK and WK should start sparring each other. Where else would WK find such a great sparring partner ?

I agree VK and WK should definately start sparring with eachother again. I would also agree with his chin, but its clearly no where close to being as good as Vitali's chin is. Wlad has been KD 4 times in his career from punches. 3 against Sanders and 1 against Steve Pannell. The Steve Pannell one is the one that has me worried, though he was pretty young when it happened.

I agree VK and WK should definately start sparring with eachother again. I would also agree with his chin, but its clearly no where close to being as good as Vitali's chin is. Wlad has been KD 4 times in his career from punches. 3 against Sanders and 1 against Steve Pannell. The Steve Pannell one is the one that has me worried, though he was pretty young when it happened.

Getting some KDs is fine. Sanders has a great chin, and yet he was KDed several times. Wlad should probably learn how to take a knee at the right moments. Mesi is a good example to follow. Wlad's chin is not great, but he has to work with what he has.

WK and VK said they don't want to sparr for family reasons ... For exactly these reasons, they should get back to sparring each other.

Getting some KDs is fine. Sanders has a great chin, and yet he was KDed several times. Wlad should probably learn how to take a knee at the right moments. Mesi is a good example to follow. Wlad's chin is not great, but he has to work with what he has.

They said they don't want to sparr for family reasons ... For exactly these reasons, they should get back to sparring each other.

Yeah I'd really like to know when they stopped sparing. As for taking a knee, I've never seen Wlad hurt besides the Sanders fight. If you are implying that he should have taken a knee in the Brewster and Puritty fights, I would say that instead of doing that he should recognize when he is tiring and not panic by throwing more and more punches hopeing that your opponent collapses before you burn out. As for the Sanders fight, he could have done a lot more things in the Sanders fight besides taking a knee. Like don't move to your right to avoid a southpaws straight left, don't flail your arms throwing pointless punches when you are hurt, and don't be too proud to clinch.

Yeah I'd really like to know when they stopped sparing. As for taking a knee, I've never seen Wlad hurt besides the Sanders fight. If you are implying that he should have taken a knee in the Brewster and Puritty fights, I would say that instead of doing that he should recognize when he is tiring and not panic by throwing more and more punches hopeing that your opponent collapses before you burn out.

I was not negating pacing and other boxing smarts as part of the right arsenal. However, taking the knee, when realizing the fight may be over due to tiredness, may not be a bad idea. Certainly, it would look smart and unconventional. I think Wlad was drugged in the Brewster fight. Had he taken the knee prior to some KO-looking punches of Brewster, many would have looked at the outcome of that fight differently.

I agree with you there. How strange would it have looked if Wlad had collapsed like he did at the end of the 4th round while taking nothing from Brewster and ref called the fight. I don't see why it wouldn't have happened either.

i think Wlad is 2nd in the HW div as far as offense, it's hard to put anyone before Tyson.

i think Wlad is 2nd in the HW div as far as offense, it's hard to put anyone before Tyson.
Even after what happened to him against Williams?

We are just going to have to agree to disagree then. I don't think that I've ever seen Tyson throw a triple left hook like Wlad does and Tyson's straight right and jab are nothing like Wlad's either. Tyson is more of a brawler than a boxer.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree then. I don't think that I've ever seen Tyson throw a triple left hook like Wlad does and Tyson's straight right and jab are nothing like Wlad's either. Tyson is more of a brawler than a boxer.
But you can't deny that he dominated in his time.
He was the "Baddest man on the planet" during that time.

i think Wlad is 2nd in the HW div as far as offense, it's hard to put anyone before Tyson.


The prime Tyson is the best offensive heavy-weight fighter. It is hard to say what Tyson is now. Due to his leg injury, it is hard to say whether Tyson we saw against Danny is close to being the prime Tyson. He may still be the best. I hope the prime Tyson comes back soon.

Even after what happened to him against Williams?

Yes Tyson lost to williams just like Wlad lost to Brewster and sanders. Don't forget before tyson got hurt he was on the verge of a KO. Don't get me wrong through, Wlads offense is great, once Mike retires he can stand alone. If Wlad had a better chin he would be unstoppable. But you can't go topo far with a bad chin and or heart

Yeah but I thought we were talking about fundamentally sound offensive skills here. Of course Tyson is a bigger bad ass than Wlad.

Yes Tyson lost to williams just like Wlad lost to Brewster and sanders. Don't forget before tyson got hurt he was on the verge of a KO. Don't get me wrong through, Wlads offense is great, once Mike retires he can stand alone. If Wlad had a better chin he would be unstoppable. But you can't go topo far with a bad chin and or heart
Excuses aside, he looked horrible against Williams.
He has no heart and his power is fading.
He has no skills to rely on so he's pretty much gone as a fighter.
Wlad is young and has skills and can still recover and go back to the top.
Tyson can't.
He should find an easier and healthier way to pay off his debts and just relax at home.

Yeah but I thought we were talking about fundamentally sound offensive skills here. Of course Tyson is a bigger bad ass than Wlad.

My bad, i just read the 1st post, asking who was the best offensive fighter. But if you are talking about fundamentally sound offensive skills, then yes you are right, i would have to go with wlad. now if those to fought eachother i'd pick mike in a 2 rd KO

Excuses aside, he looked horrible against Williams.
He has no heart and his power is fading.
He has no skills to rely on so he's pretty much gone as a fighter.
Wlad is young and has skills and can still recover and go back to the top.
Tyson can't.
He should find an easier and healthier way to pay off his debts and just relax at home.

don't get me wrong i dislike Mike more than Wlad, but he asked a serious question and i gave my answer, hell i could have just said Toney. because we all know his skills are unmatched, but thats as an all around fighter.

don't get me wrong i dislike Mike more than Wlad, but he asked a serious question and i gave my answer, hell i could have just said Toney. because we all know his skills are unmatched, but thats as an all around fighter.
I don't hate Tyson so I was just stating the facts.
I felt sad for Tyson during the Williams match.
He doesn't need to go through that **** just to pay off debts.

I don't hate Tyson so I was just stating the facts.
I felt sad for Tyson during the Williams match.
He doesn't need to go through that **** just to pay off debts.

if you saw the fight i know you saw when he started holding his knee, do you really think williams would have won, if that wouldn't happen?

if you saw the fight i know you saw when he started holding his knee, do you really think williams would have won, if that wouldn't happen?
Williams was leaning on Tyson way too much.
He put his pressure and weight on Tyson and that probably worsened Tyson's injury.

But like I said, Tyson shouldn't have been in that ring.
His power is fading and he doesn't have the heart anymore.
I'd like to see him find a safer way to pay off the debts.

if you saw the fight i know you saw when he started holding his knee, do you really think williams would have won, if that wouldn't happen?

Tyson was never really even hurt by Williams punches. It would have looked a lot better he given up in corner than for everyone to think that Williams KO'd him which didn't happen.

completly agree
ive never seen a hw throw punches like wlad
he can throwem like a good middleweight
he just really needs to learn to pace himself
only other hw i can think of that ive seen throw as many good combos with such fluidty is Ali
not to say that wlads near Ali
but just hes the closets ive seen
its funny too cuz as wlad was comin up
i invited a friend over to watch the next great hw champ
i had told him so much about wlads skillls and such
and yup u guessed it what fight was it?
Sanders
then last weekend in the oscar hopkins fight i had been tellen him about this great up and coming guy who was on the first fight of the undercards
we started alughin about what happened the last time i told him about a good fighter
just as he finishes saying
"damn what if this fool just gets knocked out cold in the first"
whammmmm
Rubio goes down on a brilliantly placed left hook
and now i have to think twice about next great fighters

Yes Tyson lost to williams just like Wlad lost to Brewster and sanders. Don't forget before tyson got hurt he was on the verge of a KO. Don't get me wrong through, Wlads offense is great, once Mike retires he can stand alone. If Wlad had a better chin he would be unstoppable. But you can't go topo far with a bad chin and or heart

Lewis had a glass chin!!! Look what he accomplished with it!!! He learned how to protect it!!! You can still do it with a weak chin!!! Lewis is easily the best example of this!!! I am sure that Manny is teaching Vlad to do the same!!!

Wladimir took more shots to the chin from Sanders then Sanders' previous 10 KO victims combined, he does not have a bad chin.

Wladimir took more shots to the chin from Sanders then Sanders' previous 10 KO victims combined, he does not have a bad chin.

Nicht what was your record and how far did you go when you boxed? I'm just curious.

I know I will get a lot of Sh** for this, chinless or not, Wladimir Klitschko is my favorite fighter for one reason. His offense. I would like to know of boxers you guys think have a better offense than Wlad, in any weight class.


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