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Roy used to be something special

According to Jones's ex finacial advisor and friend Stanley Levin, Roys downfall was caused by outside distractions and not taking his training seriously anymore.
“He stopped training, he stopped listening,” said Levin, who hasn’t spoken to Jones in two years though they both live in Pensacola, Fla. “Back in ’98 or ’99, I left him in 2000, I told him, ‘You’re not hearing me anymore.’ Every time I tried talking to him, he was acting like I was his enemy. He didn’t want to know the truth. I put 15, 16 years in with him. What it took for me to walk away from him, you have no idea.

“There was a time I’d rather watch him in the gym than in a fight, he was so brilliant, and to see what’s happening now, I just can’t watch it. I remember he used to put a harness on his head with weights attached and he’d work his neck muscles so he could better take a punch. He stopped doing that years ago. He stopped going to the gym.

Levin, who with his multimillionaire brother, Fred, took the hometown hero under their wings, said he doesn’t know what changed Jones. Maybe it was the “rappers” element the fighter started hanging with, Levin can’t be sure. Maybe it was Roy Jones Sr., whom the son regarded as not only as a trainer, but a tyrant.
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/4144/unhappy-finish-line-roy-jones/

it's widely known jones stopped taking his training seriously a long time ago

he was always mentioning how he
had become lazy, nothing to prove blah blah

for me roy jones will always be special,he just keeps fighting but hes way past it

it's widely known jones stopped taking his training seriously a long time ago

he was always mentioning how he
had become lazy, nothing to prove blah blah
I would say he had a lot to prove in Tarver III also if its a widely known fact whay do fans keep talking about the 14 lb weight loss?

for me roy jones will always be special,he just keeps fighting but hes way past it
I agree
p.s-Benny the Jet was the manI first saw him in 'Meals on Wheels'

I would say he had a lot to prove in Tarver III[ also if its a widely known fact whay do fans keep talking about the 14 lb weight loss?

like what?
and i dont know why your mentioning the weight, doesn't seem to correspond to my post


and it's roy that said he's had nothin to prove, this is well before tarver/ruiz.
obviously fans always got someone else for a fighter to fight

like what?
and i dont know why your mentioning the weight, doesn't seem to correspond to my post

and it's roy that said he's had nothin to prove, this is well before tarver/ruiz.
obviously fans always got someone else for a fighter to fight
If its a well known fact that he wasn't taking his training seriously anymore then why do fans always look for alternative explanations? For example Tyson, Hamed and Eubank started to slack on their training and when they lost people would say thats the reason for it. With Jones it seems to be the exact opposite with people to this day always talking about his weight loss as the sole expalnation for his downfall.

Im gonna have to post this again in nsb, were theres more people to debate, lol

If its a well known fact that he wasn't taking his training seriously anymore then why do fans always look for alternative explanations? For example Tyson, Hamed and Eubank started to slack on their training and when they lost people would say thats the reason for it. With Jones it seems to be the exact opposite with people to this day always talking about his weight loss as the sole expalnation for his downfall.

Im gonna have to post this again in nsb, were theres more people to debate, lol
because we have that excuse(of him being weight drained) which is very legit

if tyson/hamed/eubank were severely and obviously weight drained, you best believe people would be using that instead

because we have that excuse(of him being weight drained) which is very legit

if tyson/hamed/eubank were severely and obviously weight drained, you best believe people would be using that instead
Tyson was drained I think for the Douglas fight, but the Hookers, lack of training and taking unnecesary anti depression medication didnt help either.

Roys going to get himself seriously hurt if he carries on, hopefully he retires after the Hopkins fight. It would be a nice way to end his career.

tyson wasn't drained, at all

tyson wasn't drained, at all
Tyson used to balloon up in weight between fights, most of his family were obese
I think it was covered in a book called Bad Intentions: The Mike Tyson Story by Peter Heller. But I will say that after he left Rooney the writing was on the wall that Bruno fight was a sign of things to come. I personally wished he had lost to Bruno instead of Mr Buster 'Burger King' Douglas

ps: If changed my mind I think the end was near after Cus Damato and Jim Jacos died, thats when he really slacked in his training. As for his corner in the Buster Douglas fight they were just shocking," go and get him Mike" was their advice, while using a condom filled with water as an endswell,lol:dance:

you gullible bastard

anyway, here's somethin for you

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I agree
p.s-Benny the Jet was the manI first saw him in 'Meals on Wheels'
benny the jet is the man

you gullible bastard

youre an idiot

benny the jet is the man
Ive seen "Wheels on Meals" and "Dragons Forever" and all his fights which have been posted on Youtube. He was a great fighter in his day

Youre an idiot

i didn't even mean that in a bad way, your too sensitive

and dont go callin me an idiot when you believe mike tyson was weight drained against douglas

most fighters gain more weight between fights, it's not always blowing up like ricky hatton or james toney tho

if you actually believe that your the idiot

tarver is about 200 pounds when not fighting
jones is about 190
i wouldn't be suprised if tyson went to 230 or some****

doesn't mean ****, it's just soft muscle and fat
we can use the he was weight drained excuse for everyone if that's the case, cuz just about every boxer "blows up"

it's a differrent story when you actually work to get up to that weight and have to come down

Ive seen "Wheels on Meals" and "Dragons Forever" and all his fights which have been posted on Youtube. He was a great fighter in his day
living legand,his fights with jackie chan are some of the best ive ever seen

i didn't even mean that in a bad way, your too sensitive

How was I supposed to know you were joking?

i didn't even mean that in a bad way, your too sensitive

and dont go callin me an idiot when you believe mike tyson was weight drained against douglas

most fighters gain more weight between fights, it's not always blowing up like ricky hatton or james toney tho

if you actually believe that your the idiot

tarver is about 200 pounds when not fighting
jones is about 190
i wouldn't be suprised if tyson went to 230 or some****

doesn't mean ****, it's just soft muscle and fat
we can use the he was weight drained excuse for everyone if that's the case, cuz just about every boxer "blows up"
A fighter is drained depending on how he loses weight, If he does it wrong then he will be drained or if he tries to make a weight that he has no business at then he will be drained, but if he does it correctly then he will should be alright. Starving yourself down etc is just asking for trouble


it's a differrent story when you actually work to get up to that weight and have to come down
Says who, you? Do you know how many fighters have worked there way up and then come down with no ill effect? Hearns, Leonard and even Toney spring to mind.
Using figures from Boxrec:
Hearns: Fought Dewitt at MW then fought Andries at LHW then dropped down to fighting Roldan at MW. He also fought Uriah Grant at CW before dropping down to fight John Long at LHW.

Using fight night weights from HBO:
Jones: was 199 against Ruiz and went down to 185 against Tarver I. He was 180 against Tarver II and back up to 187 against Tarver III he later on would drop down to 170 to fight Trinidad so im assuming come fight night he was around 182.
If dropping weight hurt him so much, then why did he do it so much?

living legand,his fights with jackie chan are some of the best ive ever seen
His on Facebook along with a lot of other famous people, Jackie said during the making of Wheels on Meals that he wanted to fight Benny afterwards for real, after filming Jackie said he was only kidding, lol. There was a rumour they were going to have one more fight and make it a trilogy of fights but it never came about.

Whether he had stopped training four years before he lost, he lost. No crime at 35.

According to Jones's ex finacial advisor and friend Stanley Levin, Roys downfall was caused by outside distractions and not taking his training seriously anymore.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/4144/unhappy-finish-line-roy-jones/

I wanted to ask you that if it is the dude from the Jackie Chan movie *lol*

I think that the weigh thing hurt him too but it is only normal that somebody looses a bit hunger or passion if he does it his whole life basically... I mean his father had him training at which age? I don't know... let's say probably 10... so he has been more years in his life in boxing that he was without... and all the training and stuff simply gets stale... on top of that he reached as good as everything he could... you simply loose that edge... it is everywhere... sport, music... name it... if human beings archieve their goals they get lazy... only thing that prevents it is if you have a new goal... and what was for him there to reach after he became Heavyweight champion... he said it himself: Mike Tyson and I retire afterwards the Ruiz fight...

Dude is and will always be special in my book... I mean you can say he only fought bums if that's your opinion but I've never seen a guy who beat up guys the way he did...

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So he's claiming Jones's downfall was due to lack of training and dediciation?

I personally thought he was just never the same after losing all that muscle in that space of time and then getting knocked out.

another of your Roy Jones threads