I made this thread for "The Pretender". He can respond to this bad boy all day long, in order to get it out of his system. Any arguements about the man whom we are trying to forget.....can be placed here in an acceptable fashion.

Ill start this off. Ruiz sucks pretender. What do you have to say about that.

You just jealous of his record that's all. Everyone's jealous that he's two-time champ and defended 4 times against HOF fighters!

Ruiz sucks, he got beat by two middleweights, next in line to come from the lightweight division will be Erik Morales :D

You just jealous of his record that's all.

Absolutely. Nothing more impressive than a 19 second knockout loss in the first round to David "The Tuaman" Tua.

Ruiz sucks, he got beat by two middleweights, next in line to come from the lightweight division will be Erik Morales :D

A 230 lb Toney sure isn't a middleweight!

Ruiz might be great on paper but in boxing winning isn't everything. He never made any fans, he never had a great fight and he made no impact on the sport other than the fact he was beat by two former middleweights.

Ruiz might be great on paper but in boxing winning isn't everything. He never made any fans, he never had a great fight and he made no impact on the sport other than the fact he was beat by two former middleweights.

He made fans, read his homepage. 100s of people wrote in telling them they missed him and wished him the best. Winning is everything in a sport and Ruiz has a better record than most other contenders who people thought would become champs...like TUA.

Ruiz might be great on paper but in boxing winning isn't everything. He never made any fans, he never had a great fight and he made no impact on the sport other than the fact he was beat by two former middleweights.
This Pretender guy is ****ing hilarious. Everytime he posts, he says somethin about Ruiz, doesn't even matter if the topic is about him. I think he does it on purpose just to annoy the **** out of everybody.

He made fans, read his homepage. 100s of people wrote in telling them they missed him and wished him the best. Winning is everything in a sport and Ruiz has a better record than most other contenders who people thought would become champs...like TUA.
Must have been the members of Don Kings fan club

Must have been the members of Don Kings fan club

Don King abandoned Ruiz and sold him out because he wasn't a popular guy with the fickle so called fight fans out there. He wanted Ruiz to lose so he could sell more tickets with another fighter.

Don King abandoned Ruiz and sold him out because he wasn't a popular guy with the fickle so called fight fans out there. He wanted Ruiz to lose so he could sell more tickets with another fighter.
If this is true, that is the smartest move Don King has made in a long time.

This Pretender guy is ****ing hilarious. Everytime he posts, he says somethin about Ruiz, doesn't even matter if the topic is about him. I think he does it on purpose just to annoy the **** out of everybody.

20 years from now people will recognize Ruiz's contributions to the sport. Don't rule out a comeback either. Great fighters never truly give up the sport after a belt is stolen from them.

Don King abandoned Ruiz and sold him out because he wasn't a popular guy with the fickle so called fight fans out there. He wanted Ruiz to lose so he could sell more tickets with another fighter.
Don King abandons EVERY champ that loses the title, why will Ruiz be special?

It would be so hillarios and at the same time a disgrace to boxing if Ruiz actually came out of retiremement and unified the belts due to his "innovative use of grappling tactics."

With the way the heavyweight division is now its not an impossiblity.

20 years from now people will recognize Ruiz's contributions to the sport. Don't rule out a comeback either. Great fighters never truly give up the sport after a belt is stolen from them.

Your username is The Pretender, so are you just pretending to be a Ruiz fan? If not, and you really believe Ruiz was robbed that scares me. LOL :D

Don King abandons EVERY champ that loses the title, why will Ruiz be special?

Because there isn't another fighter with the heart of Ruiz. He doesn't need Don King. He can pull off what Holyfield never could.

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/img/awards_fightoftheyear.jpg

LOL!

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/box/2001/1215/photo/a_ruiz_i.jpg

LOL!

ROY JONES: one time HW champ. No defenses.
JOHN RUIZ: two time HW champ. 4 defenses.

Winner?

JOHN RUIZ.

ROY JONES: one time HW champ. No defenses.
JOHN RUIZ: two time HW champ. 4 defenses.

Winner?

JOHN RUIZ.
I suspaect the pretender is someone who posts frequently on the boards under their original name. Someone who...doesn`t like Ruiz and wants to have a laugh. So....a Ruiz hater with a sense of humour???
Anorak comes to mind...

I suspaect the pretender is someone who posts frequently on the boards under their original name. Someone who...doesn`t like Ruiz and wants to have a laugh. So....a Ruiz hater with a sense of humour???
Anorak comes to mind...

pretender is Anorak, no question.

Seriously, Pretender we know u jokin and stuff...

but it's getting really annoying...can you please STOP?

I am for real...

pretender is Anorak, no question.

I have yet to hear a:

"lil ol nuff tumper" in his posts yet.

Or:

"Look at it, he's bummin the ol rashbagger"

Seriously, Pretender we know u jokin and stuff...

but it's getting really annoying...can you please STOP?

I am for real...

See you guys got issues when you have so much disrespect for a fighter like Ruiz that you have to think its so impossible that anyone can appreciate him for a great boxer. You can't argue his record, its one of the best out there. Let's see if Toney can survive 4 defenses. I doubt it.

I have yet to hear a:

"lil ol nuff tumper" in his posts yet.

Or:

"Look at it, he's bummin the ol rashbagger"
Yeah but i think ol` Anorak would choose his words. There very simple sraight to the point posts from pretender so i think if if it is anorak he`s playing a safe game, not exposing himself!
I noticed they are never on at the same time either.

Yeah but i think ol` Anorak would choose his words. There very simple sraight to the point posts from pretender so i think if if it is anorak he`s playing a safe game, not exposing himself!
I noticed they are never on at the same time either.

Geez could it POSSIBLY be due to time zone differences? DUH!

Ha ha ha ha, CAUGHT OUT!!!! Jokes on you mate!

Ha ha ha ha, CAUGHT OUT!!!! Jokes on you mate!

You're dumb. Ask Rick for IP addys.

I made this thread for "The Pretender". He can respond to this bad boy all day long, in order to get it out of his system. Any arguements about the man whom we are trying to forget.....can be placed here in an acceptable fashion.

Ill start this off. Ruiz sucks pretender. What do you have to say about that.


Ruiz was a man that got away with fighting illegally. Plain and simple. He would clinch more than he would land punches. It was sick and I sincerely hope that he never gets a title shot again. If don king didnt have a say in his career, he would never have gotten those bull**** decisions that brought him the recognition. An out of shape ass James Toney took care of his ass EASILY, AND he's a former middleweight. I heard that Ruiz is a nice guy. A good guy. That doesnt mean I'm going to cheer for his cheating ass. Bottom line, I'm glad he's been dealt with. So easily too.

Ruiz was a man that got away with fighting illegally. Plain and simple. He would clinch more than he would land punches. It was sick and I sincerely hope that he never gets a title shot again. If don king didnt have a say in his career, he would never have gotten those bull**** decisions that brought him the recognition. An out of shape ass James Toney took care of his ass EASILY, AND he's a former middleweight. I heard that Ruiz is a nice guy. A good guy. That doesnt mean I'm going to cheer for his cheating ass. Bottom line, I'm glad he's been dealt with. So easily too.

It ain't cheating if it's within the rules and guess what he fought within the rules of boxing as they stand today. Otherwise he'd be DQ'd like Golota gets when it balls people in the ring. Ruiz was smart and you people just can't stand that. You should be pissed about all the people he beat for being so dumb.

You're dumb. Ask Rick for IP addys.
Doesn`t matter, you mentioned timezones, you only have 219 posts and your posts are too stupid to be that quick with the points that Anorak is in the UK, and you haven`t been here long enough to adopt that information from memory.
IP address could be your home and work ID`s/girlfriends comp etc..
I know, you know ( not that i mind though, any piss taken out of Ruiz is cool i suppose! )

John Ruiz is a clincher!!!! He likes to edancen the Salsas!!!!!

Ju can esee it because he edances the salsa with the Holyfields!

It ain't cheating if it's within the rules and guess what he fought within the rules of boxing as they stand today. Otherwise he'd be DQ'd like Golota gets when it balls people in the ring. Ruiz was smart and you people just can't stand that. You should be pissed about all the people he beat for being so dumb.
He didn`t beat them, he stole the wins!

Doesn`t matter, you mentioned timezones, you only have 219 posts and your posts are too stupid to be that quick with the points that Anorak is in the UK, and you haven`t been here long enough to adopt that information from memory.
IP address could be your home and work ID`s/girlfriends comp etc..
I know, you know ( not that i mind though, any piss taken out of Ruiz is cool i suppose! )

Apparently you havent been around long enough to read the conversations here or you'd know i already gave anorak **** for being an english tart. The better question is how in the world would anyone NOT know he's a brit?

He didn`t beat them, he stole the wins!

No if anything he got robbed with the Jones-Ruiz fight. Jones was a coward who wouldnt stand and fight. So let me get this straight, you people like cowards but not clinchers.

Apparently you havent been around long enough to read the conversations here or you'd know i already gave anorak **** for being an english tart. The better question is how in the world would anyone NOT know he's a brit?


The bottom line is that Ruiz HAD to clinch non-stop to be in a position to win the fight. If he's so great, why did James Toney have such an easy time with him? HE DIDNT/COULDNT CLINCH ILLEGALLY. Plain and simple. An overweight middleweight made Ruiz look like a nobody, and his obese ass didnt even look tired, just bloated :D

Roy Jones made Ruiz look like a fool as well.It looked like Roy broke his ****in nose too.

The bottom line is that Ruiz HAD to clinch non-stop to be in a position to win the fight. If he's so great, why did James Toney have such an easy time with him? HE DIDNT/COULDNT CLINCH ILLEGALLY. Plain and simple. An overweight middleweight made Ruiz look like a nobody, and his obese ass didnt even look tired, just bloated :D

Roy Jones made Ruiz look like a fool as well.It looked like Roy broke his ****in nose too.

Ok lets turn this around. Since youre such a Roy nutrider, why'd he get his ass KTFO with a single punch by Tarver and then in the 2nd round by Glen Johnson of all people? He was pretty quick to go into retirement after that happened. He got schooled like an amateur!

So there's your answer. Even great fighters eventually lose. RJJ never stuck around to defend his title after he won it from Ruiz, instead he vacated the belt like a ***** because he knew it was a fluke. Ruiz defended it 4 times so he's the real champ.

The haters are all over this thread, posting to each other :rolleyes: .
techer, kimmy, godzhand, pretender all on one page.

Ok lets turn this around. Since youre such a Roy nutrider, why'd he get his ass KTFO with a single punch by Tarver and then in the 2nd round by Glen Johnson of all people? He was pretty quick to go into retirement after that happened. He got schooled like an amateur!

So there's your answer. Even great fighters eventually lose. RJJ never stuck around to defend his title after he won it from Ruiz, instead he vacated the belt like a ***** because he knew it was a fluke. Ruiz defended it 4 times so he's the real champ.

I'm not a Roy nuthugger, Roy just made Ruiz look foolish. I got a good laugh out of Tarver KO'ing Roy. I'm not a hater, I just base my opinions on logic and not emotion. You guys just fire back "blah blah your the nuthugger, blah blah your a hater.." why dont you explain why it was so easy for Roy Jones and ESPECIALLY a severely overweight James Toney to easily defeat him? It's an obvious FACT that he was not allowed to illegally clinch. You simply can't clinch more than you land punches. It's a fact that Don King is Ruiz' promoter, and he's been known as a shady character. Just excuses or namecalling you and emotionally charged fans of certain boxers are all that ever reply. Never analyzation or debate. Just name calling and nonsense and that's not logic, it's emotion.

I was just thinking. We might be able to make an avatar out of the entire Tua/Ruiz fight.

http://69.44.61.80/4/userfiles/4153c6fbdb020.gif

Don King abandoned Ruiz and sold him out because he wasn't a popular guy with the fickle so called fight fans out there. He wanted Ruiz to lose so he could sell more tickets with another fighter.


wow dude i love you your a true fan **** the world.

I'm not a Roy nuthugger, Roy just made Ruiz look foolish. I got a good laugh out of Tarver KO'ing Roy. I'm not a hater, I just base my opinions on logic and not emotion. You guys just fire back "blah blah your the nuthugger, blah blah your a hater.." why dont you explain why it was so easy for Roy Jones and ESPECIALLY a severely overweight James Toney to easily defeat him? It's an obvious FACT that he was not allowed to illegally clinch. You simply can't clinch more than you land punches. It's a fact that Don King is Ruiz' promoter, and he's been known as a shady character. Just excuses or namecalling you and emotionally charged fans of certain boxers are all that ever reply. Never analyzation or debate. Just name calling and nonsense and that's not logic, it's emotion.

Two factors allowed Toney to lose that fight. Even a great champ like Ruiz who took more **** from the media and so called fans than anyone in boxing history can only take so much before it starts to get to him. No doubt for everything he brought to boxing and how hard he had to fight to accomplish what he did he felt pretty damn low and unappreciated. He then went into this last fight deciding not to fight his fight but to fight to please the idiots in the media and the dumb fans. He should have never done this and stuck to smothering his opponents. Going off his game lost him the fight.

The last factor is Don King wanting to get rid of Ruiz because the "first HW latino" didn't sell and everyone he set Ruiz up with would lose. Ruiz wouldn't sell seats so he had to get rid of him to set up better fights. So he made sure the ref really got on Ruiz ass during the whole fight. That ref never stopped Toney from clinching, but if Ruiz even thought about it, the ref was there interfering. It was a total set up.

Ruiz was still a better champ than Roy was and went out like one, not a ***** like Roy did. That's pathetic that Roy never even took a defense. He just gave it up because he knew it was too much for him.

The haters are all over this thread, posting to each other :rolleyes: .
techer, kimmy, godzhand, pretender all on one page.

Uh how am I a hater. All I do is defend Ruiz because everyone else is a hater.

Two factors allowed Toney to lose that fight. Even a great champ like Ruiz who took more **** from the media and so called fans than anyone in boxing history can only take so much before it starts to get to him. No doubt for everything he brought to boxing and how hard he had to fight to accomplish what he did he felt pretty damn low and unappreciated. He then went into this last fight deciding not to fight his fight but to fight to please the idiots in the media and the dumb fans. He should have never done this and stuck to smothering his opponents. Going off his game lost him the fight.

The last factor is Don King wanting to get rid of Ruiz because the "first HW latino" didn't sell and everyone he set Ruiz up with would lose. Ruiz wouldn't sell seats so he had to get rid of him to set up better fights. So he made sure the ref really got on Ruiz ass during the whole fight. That ref never stopped Toney from clinching, but if Ruiz even thought about it, the ref was there interfering. It was a total set up.

Ruiz was still a better champ than Roy was and went out like one, not a ***** like Roy did. That's pathetic that Roy never even took a defense. He just gave it up because he knew it was too much for him.

I agree. REMATCH!

get off ruiz's nuts...

get off ruiz's nuts...

First get off that bum Tarver's nuts. Ruiz a true champ unlike an unaccomplished nobody like Tarver.

First get off that bum Tarver's nuts. Ruiz a true champ unlike an unaccomplished nobody like Tarver.

Tarver is my dad, ruiz aint ur dad

Tarver is my dad, ruiz aint ur dad

Ok then get off your dad's nuts first.

lmmfao @ those pics

wtf john ruiz is a boxer? I thought he was a gay ufc grapler

wtf john ruiz is a boxer? I thought he was a gay ufc grapler

hahahhahahahaha

interesting thread, to be fair to the pretenter he makes some valid points about ruiz, like him changing his style for the toney match to try to please the fans, and ruiz making a few defences of his title, i couldn't help but feel sorry for ruiz after reading his statement about how badly he was treated by people, ruiz always conducted himself very well

wtf john ruiz is a boxer? I thought he was a gay ufc grapler

Have some respect for the former heavyweight champion of the world. Where's your class.