If Barrera fights Pacquiao in a rematch who do you think will take the fight, and in how many rounds?

Rumor has it that Barrera said No to Pacquiao, but I don't think anyone knows yet for sure.

Pacman via 10TKO. Too fast, too strong.

Pacman via 10TKO. Too fast, too strong.
It won't take 10 rounds the 2nd time around. I'd be surprised if it goes past 7 rounds. With all due respect to MAB, Manny is too strong, too fast, too good for him. MAB's 3rd encounter with EM didn't show me anything new. He will be just as easy to hit by Manny as he was the 1st time.

It won't take 10 rounds the 2nd time around. I'd be surprised if it goes past 7 rounds. With all due respect to MAB, Manny is too strong, too fast, too good for him. MAB's 3rd encounter with EM didn't show me anything new. He will be just as easy to hit by Manny as he was the 1st time.

I was thinking earlier knock out also but MAB just has too much pride to go out that early considering he'll have something tor prove in the rematch. Its the stamina factor that will be his undoing.

I was thinking earlier knock out also but MAB just has too much pride to go out that early considering he'll have something tor prove in the rematch. Its the stamina factor that will be his undoing.Stamina will not be an issue with MAB, I don't think. He's a 15 round fighter if need be. Manny just have his number. MAB's pride will tell him to go toe-to-toe with Manny which of course, will be the kiss of death. MAB doesn't know how to fight backing off (neither does Manny). I really want this fight for Manny. I have no doubt he will KO MAB and make a good chuck of change in the process. In fact, I'd rather see this fight next before Manny takes on JMM.

Stamina will not be an issue with MAB, I don't think. He's a 15 round fighter if need be. Manny just have his number. MAB's pride will tell him to go toe-to-toe with Manny which of course, will be the kiss of death. MAB doesn't know how to fight backing off (neither does Manny). I really want this fight for Manny. I have no doubt he will KO MAB and make a good chuck of change in the process. In fact, I'd rather see this fight next before Manny takes on JMM.

MAB is not a 15 round fighter. He needs to pace himself. In that third fight against EM, he rested 7-8 and was fully spent by the 12th.

Manny would win... But not as convincingly as the 1st imo. MAB would definitely have his moments. But Pac is the fresher one and is too quick and strong for Barrera

Pacman tko 7. MAB doesnt really have a chance i dont think. Pacman is to fast and strong.

Pacquiao by tko in the early rounds.

MAB is not a 15 round fighter. He needs to pace himself. In that third fight against EM, he rested 7-8 and was fully spent by the 12th.

although i agree with this statement, you have to remember that this was barreras first fight at 130 pounds, when he was fighting at 126 pounds he has lots of stamina, his fights with naseem hamed, morales, and johnny tapia has shown that barrera has terrific stamina. i think he paced himself in his third fight with morales because of the fact that it was a new weight class for him.

i also think that barrera can beat pacquaio if they fight again, i dont think he will knock him out tho, manny just seems to be very strong, i think if barrera does win it would go to points.

barrera beats manford this time around

what can we say amigos????off nite 2 off nite 3 and so on????
admit it mab...pacman is too fast for you period.
but we want to see it happen again & again & again!!!!! :D

although i agree with this statement, you have to remember that this was barreras first fight at 130 pounds, when he was fighting at 126 pounds he has lots of stamina, his fights with naseem hamed, morales, and johnny tapia has shown that barrera has terrific stamina. i think he paced himself in his third fight with morales because of the fact that it was a new weight class for him.

i also think that barrera can beat pacquaio if they fight again, i dont think he will knock him out tho, manny just seems to be very strong, i think if barrera does win it would go to points.

I'm iffy on that one. Although this fight WAS at 130, he came in at 132. Which is the weight he normally comes in at feather. I'm not saying that he has terrible stamina, on the contrary. It's just that I doubt it competes with Pacquiao's. Against Hamed and the second Morales fight, he was defensive minded therefore he did not have to excert as much effort.

In a rematch, I am not counting MAB out, but I just don't see him coping with Pacquiao's power and speed. No I don't buy what he said about having a bad night. I could say Morales had a bad night last saturday, or any other fighter that lost for that matter. But a champion's heart has already proven me wrong in the past :)

I think some posters here never learn. MAB was written off by almost everyone after the fight with Pacquiao and he beat a prime Erik Morales in his first fight at 130. Come on, don't write the guy off. Learn from the past.

I think some posters here never learn. MAB was written off by almost everyone after the fight with Pacquiao and he beat a prime Erik Morales in his first fight at 130. Come on, don't write the guy off. Learn from the past.
Good Point, I think Pacman is going to take it, But I don't think that MAB will go down in the early rounds, or be KO'ed at all, It is going to be a good fight (if it ever happens) But I think Pacman takes it in the end.

Pacquiao TKO's Barrera. Again. He's the same Barrera last Nov. 15, 2003. Just couldn't handle Pac's speed and power.

As PER another thread this seems like it's going to be reclassified into a FANTASY FIGHT. :D The article says MAB said no to that rematch.

We will have to verify this. :cool:

As PER another thread this seems like it's going to be reclassified into a FANTASY FIGHT. :D The article says MAB said no to that rematch.

We will have to verify this. :cool:
Of course MAB will definitely say no. I mean does he want to retire in a wheelchair? Or worse, be put into a coma? I don't think so. MAB is gonna be the PURE COWARD on this one. PAC is just more than a match for him. MAB will be eating PAC's really sick punches and he will retire an invalid.

This is the reason why.

When they first met, PAC made the jump to MAB's weight class and yet PAC didn't get rattled, PAC didn't gassed out, PAC never slowed down. In fact MAB's punches were more of an encouragement to PAC and even PAC admitted in an interview that every punch MAB gave him just made him more enthusiastic to give more and more power punch up MAB's face.

Speed kills. And in this point, PAC will destroy MAB's face with punches you can hardly see with the naked eye. PAC's regular handspeed is 4 punches in under 2 seconds. What about MAB's handspeed? 4 punches every 10 seconds. lol! PAC will make MAB look like an old man.

Power. Overwhelming power coupled with unrivaled speed will make sure MAB will simply gas out in the middle of the fight. MAB's punches will be like sweet caress to PAC while PAC's punches will mean halo to MAB. lol! In the category of power. No contest.

Stamina. PAC simply has the ability and will to fight 15 rounds without stopping for a short breath. PAC is hopelessly relentless and never gives you any room to relax. It's gonna be raining punches. PAC can easily take MAB's best punches as the last fight showed PAC simply let himself be punched by MAB so long as he gives 3-4-5 shots back at MAB. No matter how MAB tries to defend. It will be useless, you can't defend against a boxer who is MORE THAN WILLING TO GET HIT JUST TO HIT YOU WITH HIS BARRAGE OF PUNCHES.

That's why MAB is too chicken. PAC already issued several challenges and yet MAB is just too coward not to step forward, as oppossed to PAC who is more than willing to take anyone on in his new weight division. Can you call MAB's cowardice great? Is that greatness in a boxer who refuses to redeem himself and merely fights noobs like Fana and Peden? lol!

I think it depends on if Manny beats or looses to EM in January.. Really dependant on manny's drive and determination and will. However as i think a loss to EM would bring Mannys morale plunging to the ground...

If Manny beats EM... i think he has a 90% chance of beating Barrera.

If Manny Looses to EM... I think Barrera has a 70% chance of beating Manny.

ppl might be saying that barrear is duckin pac.... n he is, but he knows hes going to lose, he jus better hope that pac doesn't become his mandatory

if manny betas morales... i think morales should retire, and manny will beat barrerea.
if he loses to morales, what does morales do now? i aint sure if he wants to fight raheem, he does'tt wana fight barrera.....
wow.... what a triangle

i actually want manny pacquaio to beat morales in january, this is so there is no excuse from barrera or his peoples, barrera in the past said that he didnt fight pacman because people would say he got morales' left overs after morales beat pacquaio, so im hoping with a win for the pacman and the public demanding a fight betwen these two fighters i hope barrera will accept, pacman clearly wants to fight barrera and anyone for that matter, so im hoping barrera will fight manny by the end of next year. thats why im hopin pacqauio beats morales in january.

Styles make fights. Packman just has Barrera's number. There is nothing he can do to beat pacman. He lost every single round in their first meeting. it was a complete blowout. The only thing he can do is become a different fighter and do some completely different stuff.

Saying he will win is like saying Trinidad will come back and beat Wright. and we all know that wont happen.

Styles make fights. Packman just has Barrera's number. There is nothing he can do to beat pacman. He lost every single round in their first meeting. it was a complete blowout. The only thing he can do is become a different fighter and do some completely different stuff.

Saying he will win is like saying Trinidad will come back and beat Wright. and we all know that wont happen.
Become a different fighter? lol! That's really funny. MAB facing PAC, MAB will be a different fighter. He won't be able to fight again. This time around, awkward hooks, awkward uppercuts, unseen side shots will blind him and send him to sleep till oblivion.

We are all seeing reall strange and awkward moves which has all the power enough to make you an invalid. The last fight saw him get a clean slate. No more Murad bull****, no more drinking, no more smoking, he has a clear mind now. Not unlike the past when he got cheated by 10 million dollars by Murad *******.

This time around, MAB won't even react fast enough to the pain and suffering PAC will inflict to him. This time around, he won't even see the punches coming. And it will come at a rate of 4 sleepers in less than 2 seconds. lol!

Become a different fighter? lol! That's really funny. MAB facing PAC, MAB will be a different fighter. He won't be able to fight again. This time around, awkward hooks, awkward uppercuts, unseen side shots will blind him and send him to sleep till oblivion.

We are all seeing reall strange and awkward moves which has all the power enough to make you an invalid. The last fight saw him get a clean slate. No more Murad bull****, no more drinking, no more smoking, he has a clear mind now. Not unlike the past when he got cheated by 10 million dollars by Murad *******.

This time around, MAB won't even react fast enough to the pain and suffering PAC will inflict to him. This time around, he won't even see the punches coming. And it will come at a rate of 4 sleepers in less than 2 seconds. lol!

man i think you're wrong. i believe marco was off that night.

second time around barrera beats him in a dirty fight.

hopefully after pacquiao pulls off a win against morales we see this barrera/pacquiao II.then we'll see who's right.

although i agree with this statement, you have to remember that this was barreras first fight at 130 pounds, when he was fighting at 126 pounds he has lots of stamina, his fights with naseem hamed, morales, and johnny tapia has shown that barrera has terrific stamina. i think he paced himself in his third fight with morales because of the fact that it was a new weight class for him.

i also think that barrera can beat pacquaio if they fight again, i dont think he will knock him out tho, manny just seems to be very strong, i think if barrera does win it would go to points.
not really dude... saw the three fights between erik and MAB... MAB started losing steam in the middle to late rounds... he was resting a lot...

man i think you're wrong. i believe marco was off that night.

second time around barrera beats him in a dirty fight.

hopefully after pacquiao pulls off a win against morales we see this barrera/pacquiao II.then we'll see who's right.
pacquiao will KO barrera again in the rematch... or wins a unanimous decision... just saw the last the last two fights of MAB again (excluding fana) and i'd say manny will definitely win... unlike manny, his last opponents just waited for him and didn't throw a lot of punches... they were too cautious to punch and barrera is good at that... but when he is pressured like we saw in the manny fight, he was disoriented... and i agree, before marco sees any other excuse to retire, he should at least try to fght many again...

Despite all the talk of Pac's style versus Barrera's style resulting in a Pac win 19 times outa' 20, I don't buy it. The Barerra we saw getting tagged by Pac was simply the sacrificial Mexican lamb who, like Marquez after him, was not prepared for Pac's speed and power. In the rematch, Barrera brings the respect Pac deserves and makes the adjustments he needs to. Pac feels the pressure to start performing against belt-holders at Feather and comes out gunning unsuccessfully and then he starts showing some mental weakness in his effort to takeout MAB. Barrera gets a two or three round UD against a frustrated Pac.

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I believe that MAB had a very off day when he first fought Pac. He got his ass kicked period, there's no avoiding that. However, the outcome of their first fight does not dictate the result of their second fight. I know some are suggesting he's running and maybe he is. If they face a mandatory match we may see MAB retire rather than face him. That is if he's really running. I don't want to believe he would run but if that's the case then obviously he knows he cannot beat Pac and should just put the issue to bed. Promoters on the other hand may well profit from the issue not being put to bed. Their division is the most exciting thing in boxing and everyone knows it. Promoters can cash in on a lot of different match ups. We may see Morales & Pac, Pac & Barrera, Barrera & Morales again or who the hell knows what else? When promoters decide to invest in it we'll see it. Anyway, I'll still be a Barrera fan win or lose. After all he was in two of my top 5 favorite fights and he knocked Naz into reality. I don't think he's old enough to be underestimated nor are his skills so deminished that he should be dismissed from having a chance. Pac is good but cannot be considered unbeatable in a rematch. Peace.

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I believe that MAB had a very off day when he first fought Pac. He got his is ass kicked period, there's no avoiding that. However, the outcome of their first fight does not dictate the result of their second fight. I know some are suggesting he's running and maybe he is. If they face a mandatory match we may see MAB retire rather than face him. That is if he's really running. I don't want to believe he would run but if that's the case then obviously he knows he cannot beat Pac and should just put the issue to bed. Promoters on the other hand may well profit from the issue not being put to bed. Their division is the most exciting thing in boxing and everyone knows it. Promoters can cash in on a lot of different match ups. We may see Morales & Pac, Pac & Barrera, Barrera & Morales again or who the hell knows what else? When promoters decide to invest in it we'll see it. Anyway, I'll still be a Barrera fan win or lose. After all he was in two of my top 5 favorite fights and he knocked Naz into reality. I don't think he's old enough to be underestimated nor are his skills so deminished that he should be dismissed from having a chance. Pac is good but cannot be considered unbeatable in a rematch. Peace.
The big problem is COWARD MAB refused several challenges from PAC's camp. What does that make of the FORMER people's champ? A sissy.

Its been years since PAC issued the damn challenge to fight. And COWARD MAB is ducking PAC for years also now. You add things up and you got a MAB who wets his pants and hides up his mama's skirt whenever the name PACMAN is mentioned.

Why! He even got the guts to fight noobs like Peden and still can't knock him out. PAthetic!

We always hear that style makes fight and this certainly applies to this two fighters. Although i believe that Barrera fought Pac on an off night, i still dont think Barrera will win in a rematch. Baby face is just tailor made for Pac. Style makes fight.

Barrera UD - some smarter couterpunching and a more cautious approach early from Barrera will mean he is able to weather the worst of Pacquiao's storm to get a close but clear points victory. I don't buy the excuses the first time round from the Barrera camp - but I do think MAB wasn't ready for what Pac Man could do to him if he wasn't as sharp as he needed to be. This time will be different, if only because MAB knows exactly what to expect

Barrera UD - some smarter couterpunching and a more cautious approach early from Barrera will mean he is able to weather the worst of Pacquiao's storm to get a close but clear points victory. I don't buy the excuses the first time round from the Barrera camp - but I do think MAB wasn't ready for what Pac Man could do to him if he wasn't as sharp as he needed to be. This time will be different, if only because MAB knows exactly what to expect
Who has better speed? More power? Better killing instincts? More Stamina? More Durability? And more handspeed?

Answer that and you got your answer.

MAB in a hospital. lol!

Who has better speed? More power? Better killing instincts? More Stamina? More Durability? And more handspeed?

Answer that and you got your answer.

MAB in a hospital. lol!

Who has better ring generalship, know-how, experience, versatility and boxing ability?

Answer that and you've got a close competitive fight in which you might like either guy

Who has better ring generalship, know-how, experience, versatility and boxing ability?

Answer that and you've got a close competitive fight in which you might like either guy
WHo issued challenges years ago? Who ha been ACTING THE COMPLETE COWARD, SISSY, WUSSY AND DUCK-LAME **** AFRAID?

Answer that and you have MAB with his face ruined and brains popping out his eyes.

Last time. The ring generalship was to PACMAN. Every second of every round. lol!

barrera will stay on the outside better and try to control pac with his jab. now im not delusional so i admit pacman beat the **** out of barrera the first time, and im not blaming it on his distractions with the metal plate in his head. pacman was aggressive from the start and barrera didnt know much about him and was caught off guard.

this time it wont be a problem, and barrera definitely has the better skills. a good jab can control pac, and barrera will beat him from the outside. i say barrera tko 10.

they need to make this fight for jan.21 instead of morales-pac 2.

Who has better speed? More power? Better killing instincts? More Stamina? More Durability? And more handspeed?

Answer that and you got your answer.

MAB in a hospital. lol!

the same was said when morales fought pacquaio, most people thought pacman had better speed, power, killing instincts, handspeed, etc... and look what happened?? morales beat pacquiao. just because pacmans got some advantages it dont mean hes automatically gonna win, morales has proved that.

if barrera fights pacquaio again i think it will be a different fight, i aint sayin barrera will definatly win but a boxer learns a lot more from a defeat and barrera will be ready and focused for pacqauio if they fight again.

Barrera don't have a good jab. His arm lentgh is way shorter than Pac's and he lets his guard off afta he throws his jab which leaves him wide open to Pac's counter lefts (and Manila Ice now)! I see no advantage fo Barrera gainst Pac. None whatsoeva! At least Morales IS NATURRALY bigga than Pac which boosts up his chance of succeeding. Barrera will get bombozzled in ta rematch. Quite possibly WORSE than ta first one since Pac has improved his game too!

Who has better speed? More power? Better killing instincts? More Stamina? More Durability? And more handspeed?

Answer that and you got your answer.

MAB in a hospital. lol!


who has the much better skills and accuracy.

i dont think pacquiao has better speed, and not necessarily more power at 130. barrera hurt morales in their fight at 130 more than pacquiao did.

stamina? please both have great stamina

say pac has better speed, and power, barrera still has better skills and i think that will carry him to victory this time.

barrera will be more aware of pacmans style this time and prepare the right way.

barrera will stay on the outside better and try to control pac with his jab. now im not delusional so i admit pacman beat the **** out of barrera the first time, and im not blaming it on his distractions with the metal plate in his head. pacman was aggressive from the start and barrera didnt know much about him and was caught off guard.

this time it wont be a problem, and barrera definitely has the better skills. a good jab can control pac, and barrera will beat him from the outside. i say barrera tko 10.

they need to make this fight for jan.21 instead of morales-pac 2.
Barrera doesn't have a jab. And COWARD MAB doesn't have a punch which could hurt Manny. Even PAC admitted that. The punches got some sting but not even close to bothering him. PAC issued numerous challenges and after several years, MAB is still chicken **** when it comes to PAC. lol!

Barrera doesn't have a jab.

stop posting.

You suck at it.

stop posting.

You suck at it.
you stop posting buddy. If you can't handle the heat and you don't have anymore pertinent arguments to speak of, just shut up.

Gets?

I don't think he's old enough to be underestimated nor are his skills so deminished that he should be dismissed from having a chance. Pac is good but cannot be considered unbeatable in a rematch. Peace.
You don't belong here. You talk too sensibly and unbiased. Don't you know this is a "Pac" thread?

..... COWARD MAB .... sissy ..... fight noobs like Peden and still can't knock him out. PAthetic!
Why is it that Pac fans can't recognize that MAB has given boxing fans much more than Pac has? Marco beat another belt-holder in Peden, end of story. Sure it was not a KO, but it was a dominant performance and he now wears another belt. Words like "sissy" and "coward" cannot be used when dscribing MAB, except it seems if you are a Pac fan who is blinded by your ignorance of the long history of the sport.

We all know Pac KO'd Marco. So that makes Pac a featherweight knockout artist? I don't think so. Pac has gone the distance with both Marquez and Morales, not getting a win in either bout. Although Pac clearly beat Barrera, MAB stayed in there for 11 rounds of ass-whoopin'. Now you have the balls to say that Barrera should be knocking out this guy or that guy? Why not hold Pac to the same standard?

Also, if you think Barrera is a "coward" for taking Pac's shots for 11 rounds, clearly getting his assed handed to him, but still throwing and fighting, you are ****ed up, really. That's not the stuff of cowards.

Truth is, Pac is the fighter that has not yet proven himself to be a dominant force against the top-tier Feathers. Pac is definitely worthy of facing the best guys, and Pac's speed and power are a thing to behold, and he has warior heart, but Pac remains 1-1-1 in the big Feather fights.

If Pac looses to Barerra, which I predict he will, he will be relegated to "contender" status, as he should be, since he'll be wearing a record of 1-2-1 as a top Feather. Nobody will be knocked out in the fight either, so I suppose that makes for a boring fight, eh?

Why is it that Pac fans can't recognize that MAB has given boxing fans much more than Pac has? Marco beat another belt-holder in Peden, end of story. Sure it was not a KO, but it was a dominant performance and he now wears another belt. Words like "sissy" and "coward" cannot be used when dscribing MAB, except it seems if you are a Pac fan who is blinded by your ignorance of the long history of the sport.

We all know Pac KO'd Marco. So that makes Pac a featherweight knockout artist? I don't think so. Pac has gone the distance with both Marquez and Morales, not getting a win in either bout. Although Pac clearly beat Barrera, MAB stayed in there for 11 rounds of ass-whoopin'. Now you have the balls to say that Barrera should be knocking out this guy or that guy? Why not hold Pac to the same standard?

Also, if you think Barrera is a "coward" for taking Pac's shots for 11 rounds, clearly getting his assed handed to him, but still throwing and fighting, you are ****ed up, really. That's not the stuff of cowards.

Truth is, Pac is the fighter that has not yet proven himself to be a dominant force against the top-tier Feathers. Pac is definitely worthy of facing the best guys, and Pac's speed and power are a thing to behold, and he has warior heart, but Pac remains 1-1-1 in the big Feather fights.

If Pac looses to Barerra, which I predict he will, he will be relegated to "contender" status, as he should be, since he'll be wearing a record of 1-2-1 as a top Feather. Nobody will be knocked out in the fight either, so I suppose that makes for a boring fight, eh?
That is, if COWARD MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA has the balls of a man to fight PAC again. As things stand, he's holding on to his chastity belts so damn hard he's looking like a fluke.

When you're an elite, you prove it by beating other elites. Not fighting noobs who were once former sparring mates. lol! That's a clear sign of a COWARD. lol!

Anent, Barrera not taking "Morales' left-overs":

*Morales won by UD over Paulie Ayala in Nov. 2002;

Barrera took out Ayala in the 10th round on 19 June 2004

* Kevin Kelley was TKO'd by Morales on Sept. 9, 2000;

MAB met Kelley two years and 7 months later (April 12, 2003) and took him out too.



Morales also took on at least one of MAB's left-overs:

* Eddie Croft whom Barrera took out in the 7th in a WBO SuperBantam title fight in 1995, and whom Morales trounced in 2003 in Mexico in what was widely criticized as a mistmatch.Even Morales himself (as reported) regretted having to face Croft. He was quoted as having said, "I just fight anyone they put in front of me. I don't make the rankings."



Morales fought and defeated Junior Jones (TKO 4) in 1998, but he could not be-- strictly speaking-- considered a Barrera "left-over". He had earlier beaten Barrera in their two meetings-- first by DQ (MAB's corner stepped into the ring when Jones dropped Barrera) and second by UD.

So much for historical ignorance and not facing left-overs....:rolleyes:

That is, if COWARD MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA has the balls of a man to fight PAC again. As things stand, he's holding on to his chastity belts so damn hard he's looking like a fluke.

When you're an elite, you prove it by beating other elites. Not fighting noobs who were once former sparring mates. lol! That's a clear sign of a COWARD. lol!

hey, are u filipino?

hey, are u filipino?

he's got Filipino disses on locked, so he must be. nyahahahaha!

1) Words like "sissy" and "coward" cannot be used when dscribing MAB, except it seems if you are a Pac fan who is blinded by your ignorance of the long history of the sport.

2)We all know Pac KO'd Marco. So that makes Pac a featherweight knockout artist? I don't think so. Pac has gone the distance with both Marquez and Morales, not getting a win in either bout. Although Pac clearly beat Barrera, MAB stayed in there for 11 rounds of ass-whoopin'.

3)Also, if you think Barrera is a "coward" for taking Pac's shots for 11 rounds, clearly getting his assed handed to him, but still throwing and fighting, you are ****ed up, really. That's not the stuff of cowards.

4)Truth is, Pac is the fighter that has not yet proven himself to be a dominant force against the top-tier Feathers. Pac is definitely worthy of facing the best guys, and Pac's speed and power are a thing to behold, and he has warior heart, but Pac remains 1-1-1 in the big Feather fights.

5)If Pac looses to Barerra, which I predict he will, he will be relegated to "contender" status, as he should be, since he'll be wearing a record of 1-2-1 as a top Feather. Nobody will be knocked out in the fight either, so I suppose that makes for a boring fight, eh?

1)THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL BARRERA THEN...A CHICKEN? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT MAB AIN'T FEARING MANNY (REMATCH)? MAN, PAC CALLS OUT BARRERA 60 TIMES PER MINUTE! WHAT'S MAB REPLY AGAIN?!

2)PAC FLOORED MAB 3X(ERIC CAN'T), PAC FLOORED JMM 3X (WHO ELSE?). PAC 'LIFTED' THAT BATTERY, PAC FLOORED VELASQUEZ (SOME SAYS HE WAS NEVER FLOORED BEFORE)! THE ONLY TIMES IT WENT THE DISTANCE AFTER ALMOST 10(?) YEARS WAS AGAINST MORALES AT 130 (PAC'S 1ST FIGHT AT JR. LIGHTWEIGHT) AND JMM (BECAUSE HE WAS LUCKY AS MANNY_P SAID :) ) YOU AIN'T CALLING THAT A KO ARTIST?! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? A GODZHAND?!

3)BECAUSE HE CAN'T BACK-OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT? 'WHY'D THEY FEED ME INTO THIS LITTLE TIGER!' - MAB. AW ****! IT'S TOO LATE!

4)EASILY THE MOST IGNORANT POST FOR THE WEEK. WHO ELSE FOUGHT THE BIG 3 MEXICANS IN A ROW (ALMOST) AND SCORED 1-1-1, 2-1 UNOFFICIALLY THEN DUCKED AFTERWARDS?

5)ENOUGH OF YOU, PIECE OF CANADIAN ****!

YOU MAY SHUT THE **** UP! YOU'VE BEEN PWNED!

who has the much better skills and accuracy.

i dont think pacquiao has better speed, and not necessarily more power at 130. barrera hurt morales in their fight at 130 more than pacquiao did.

stamina? please both have great stamina

say pac has better speed, and power, barrera still has better skills and i think that will carry him to victory this time.

barrera will be more aware of pacmans style this time and prepare the right way.
barrera always hurt morales IMHO... so the weight was no factor

1)THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL BARRERA THEN...A CHICKEN? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT MAB AIN'T FEARING MANNY (REMATCH)? MAN, PAC CALLS OUT BARRERA 60 TIMES PER MINUTE! WHAT'S MAB REPLY AGAIN?!

2)PAC FLOORED MAB 3X(ERIC CAN'T), PAC FLOORED JMM 3X (WHO ELSE?). PAC 'LIFTED' THAT BATTERY, PAC FLOORED VELASQUEZ (SOME SAYS HE WAS NEVER FLOORED BEFORE)! THE ONLY TIMES IT WENT THE DISTANCE AFTER ALMOST 10(?) YEARS WAS AGAINST MORALES AT 130 (PAC'S 1ST FIGHT AT JR. LIGHTWEIGHT) AND JMM (BECAUSE HE WAS LUCKY AS MANNY_P SAID :) ) YOU AIN'T CALLING THAT A KO ARTIST?! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? A GODZHAND?!

3)BECAUSE HE CAN'T BACK-OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT? 'WHY'D THEY FEED ME INTO THIS LITTLE TIGER!' - MAB. AW ****! IT'S TOO LATE!

4)EASILY THE MOST IGNORANT POST FOR THE WEEK. WHO ELSE FOUGHT THE BIG 3 MEXICANS IN A ROW (ALMOST) AND SCORED 1-1-1, 2-1 UNOFFICIALLY THEN DUCKED AFTERWARDS?

5)ENOUGH OF YOU, PIECE OF CANADIAN ****!

YOU MAY SHUT THE **** UP! YOU'VE BEEN PWNED!

This is probably the Al Pacino of the forum. lol! Straight on the bucket. lol!

We couldn't have said it any better. lol!

Tulog ka MAB. lol!

MAB - he is to good technically for Pac, last time was a one off, MAB is a superior fighter end of.

This is probably the Al Pacino of the forum. lol! Straight on the bucket. lol!

We couldn't have said it any better. lol!

Tulog ka MAB. lol!

YOU BETTER BEHAVE OR I'LL CUT YOUR HEADS OFF SONNY!

1)THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL BARRERA THEN...A CHICKEN? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT MAB AIN'T FEARING MANNY (REMATCH)? MAN, PAC CALLS OUT BARRERA 60 TIMES PER MINUTE! WHAT'S MAB REPLY AGAIN?!

2)PAC FLOORED MAB 3X(ERIC CAN'T), PAC FLOORED JMM 3X (WHO ELSE?). PAC 'LIFTED' THAT BATTERY, PAC FLOORED VELASQUEZ (SOME SAYS HE WAS NEVER FLOORED BEFORE)! THE ONLY TIMES IT WENT THE DISTANCE AFTER ALMOST 10(?) YEARS WAS AGAINST MORALES AT 130 (PAC'S 1ST FIGHT AT JR. LIGHTWEIGHT) AND JMM (BECAUSE HE WAS LUCKY AS MANNY_P SAID :) ) YOU AIN'T CALLING THAT A KO ARTIST?! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? A GODZHAND?!

3)BECAUSE HE CAN'T BACK-OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT? 'WHY'D THEY FEED ME INTO THIS LITTLE TIGER!' - MAB. AW ****! IT'S TOO LATE!

4)EASILY THE MOST IGNORANT POST FOR THE WEEK. WHO ELSE FOUGHT THE BIG 3 MEXICANS IN A ROW (ALMOST) AND SCORED 1-1-1, 2-1 UNOFFICIALLY THEN DUCKED AFTERWARDS?

5)ENOUGH OF YOU, PIECE OF CANADIAN ****!

YOU MAY SHUT THE **** UP! YOU'VE BEEN PWNED!

Hey Scarface... you must be given a BLUE KArma for this one hehehehehehe

LET Me help you get RID that Red lining on your name...

Filipino??? or Just a PACMAN fanatic???

Hey Scarface... you must be given a BLUE KArma for this one hehehehehehe

LET Me help you get RID that Red lining on your name...

Filipino??? or Just a PACMAN fanatic???

I like El Terrible, I cheer for Iron Mike, I follow Axe Murderer Silva, I watch Le Tour De France, I watch the Vendee Glove, I watch F-1, and I am a Pac fan like you.

I AM HITLER!

Just on prinicple alone MAB doesn't even deserve to get a rematch, but money rules everything else so it'll probably happen down the line. I'll tell you this though if Pac stays consistent and even gets past Morales no way no how will Barrera face him again, afterall look who he is under now the same people that managed DeLahoto's career these guys if anything proved timing is everything They only gave Mosley a rematch when Shane was damaged goods, they fought Trinidad when the guy practically starved himself to make weight, they only went after Whitaker when he showed signs of slowing, but since Winky is on a roll you can forget about it, oh lets not forget he just ignored Kostya at 140lbs and instead fought Miguel Angel Gonzales, hmmm. Delahoya just made these statements a few days ago, He stated that they made an offer recently to have a Mab - Morales 4 and Arum rejected, when asked about facing Pac again. He said his ass will have to wait until other matchups happen. What type of message is he sending?

If Manny doesn't TKO Barrera again, I think he'll most likely win the decision. While I've seen enough of Barrera as of the Pacquaio loss to almost make me change my mind of who would win a rematch, I'm still going back to Manny winning. I see the same Barrera that Manny fought in his recent fights, just Barrera hasn't fought an opponent like Manny. Barrera's recent opponents have been slower, and more on pace with him, not to mention no pop on their punches minus Morales. In a rematch, I would see Manny training harder than ever knowing that this fight would prove the first fight that made him a super star was no fluke. I mean, Manny's whole future and name in boxing would be judged on this fight, whether he was worthy of all the glory he received after the fight or if he shouldn't have. Manny will come out strong and throw nonstop until Barrera can't fight back no longer from being out gunned again or just overpowered. Manny has Barrera's number, Barrera knows it and so does Oscar. Oscar is protecting Barrera until the right time, either for that last big paycheck or until they see Manny has slowed down just enough.

1)THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL BARRERA THEN...A CHICKEN? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT MAB AIN'T FEARING MANNY (REMATCH)? MAN, PAC CALLS OUT BARRERA 60 TIMES PER MINUTE! WHAT'S MAB REPLY AGAIN?!

2)PAC FLOORED MAB 3X(ERIC CAN'T), PAC FLOORED JMM 3X (WHO ELSE?). PAC 'LIFTED' THAT BATTERY, PAC FLOORED VELASQUEZ (SOME SAYS HE WAS NEVER FLOORED BEFORE)! THE ONLY TIMES IT WENT THE DISTANCE AFTER ALMOST 10(?) YEARS WAS AGAINST MORALES AT 130 (PAC'S 1ST FIGHT AT JR. LIGHTWEIGHT) AND JMM (BECAUSE HE WAS LUCKY AS MANNY_P SAID :) ) YOU AIN'T CALLING THAT A KO ARTIST?! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? A GODZHAND?!

3)BECAUSE HE CAN'T BACK-OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT? 'WHY'D THEY FEED ME INTO THIS LITTLE TIGER!' - MAB. AW ****! IT'S TOO LATE!

4)EASILY THE MOST IGNORANT POST FOR THE WEEK. WHO ELSE FOUGHT THE BIG 3 MEXICANS IN A ROW (ALMOST) AND SCORED 1-1-1, 2-1 UNOFFICIALLY THEN DUCKED AFTERWARDS?

5)ENOUGH OF YOU, PIECE OF CANADIAN ****!

YOU MAY SHUT THE **** UP! YOU'VE BEEN PWNED!

Once again, another blinded Pac fan discussing Pac's loss and Draw as if they were dominant wins. If it gives you satisfaction to say you "owned" me, that's good for you. But it doesn't make Pac's record at feather any better than it is.

The boxing record will always show Pac as drawing Marquez, because Manny couldn't handle the man over twelve rounds. Who gives a **** about a very very very dominant round? Manny did not win that fight.

The boong record will also show that Manny put together a very goos showing against Morales, but lost that fight.

If you feel better about Manny by calling Morales a "coward" or a "sissy", then do so. It shows you truly don't know or understand what MAB has given to the boxing world. His career doesn't revolve around a big loss to Pacman. End of story.

MAB - he is to good technically for Pac, last time was a one off, MAB is a superior fighter end of.
Simply stated, and probably very accurate.

MAB - he is to good technically for Pac, last time was a one off, MAB is a superior fighter end of.No excuses! Pac will destroy Barrera every single time they fight. That fight was a mismatch. Pac hurt Barrera with every punch. I don't see Barrera ever beating Pac. Some fighters, just can't beat some fighters. Barrera will never beat Pac & this is the reason we haven't seen the rematch yet. I will bet the house on the rematch.

Once again, another blinded Pac fan discussing Pac's loss and Draw as if they were dominant wins. If it gives you satisfaction to say you "owned" me, that's good for you. But it doesn't make Pac's record at feather any better than it is.

The boxing record will always show Pac as drawing Marquez, because Manny couldn't handle the man over twelve rounds. Who gives a **** about a very very very dominant round? Manny did not win that fight.

The boong record will also show that Manny put together a very goos showing against Morales, but lost that fight.

If you feel better about Manny by calling Morales a "coward" or a "sissy", then do so. It shows you truly don't know or understand what MAB has given to the boxing world. His career doesn't revolve around a big loss to Pacman. End of story.

MORDIOT! I AIN'T DISCUSSING PAC'S LOSS AND DRAW AS IF DOMINANT WINS, I AM MERELY ANSWERING YOUR PREVIOUS POST QUESTIONING PAC AS A KO ARTIST! THROW SOME TIME ON READING COMPREHENSION MOTHER****ER!

AND WHAT CAN YOU SAY 'BOUT MY OTHER ANSWERS?! LOL! YOU GOT PWNED BIG TIME, SHUT THE HELL UP!

Simply stated, and probably very accurate.
that's where you are good at... you don't like barrera downplayed but you're downplaying pac too much... expect more barrera trash talking if you continue sucking his dick... sucker...

[[[Barrera face him again, afterall look who he is under now the same people that managed DeLahoto's career these guys if anything proved timing is everything They only gave Mosley a rematch when Shane was damaged goods,]]]
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Where do you yahoos come from?

Mosely won the first fight against Oscar. Why is all the obligation on Oscar to make the rematch? Moreover Shane was on BarryBonds' steroids for the rematch which is hardly damaged goods. It's an unfair advantage. Ain't you ever kept up with the sport?

Finally, Arum managed Oscar until a few years ago. Oscar is now self managed and also manages Barrera. Arum doesn't manage Barrera. No, you ain't kept up!

Simply stated, and probably very accurate.
And you are an ACCURATE DUMBASS. Man! My friend told me most Canadians are dumb. You're probably one of them. lol!

And you are an ACCURATE DUMBASS. Man! My friend told me most Canadians are dumb. You're probably one of them. lol!
Another Pac Fan who cannot post a single sentence without resorting to name calling. You don't mention a particualr fight and you stray entirely from discussing something vaguely interesting.

How did your friend determine that Canadians are "dumb"? It's very widely accepted that the Canadian education system, including post-secondary, is on par with he best in the world. One way of confirming this is to observe the vast numbers of foreign students from all over the world who attend undergraduate and gradute programs here.

Also, on September 13 2005, the Organization for Cooperation and Development released it's most recent world rankings for education levels among citizens of the world's nations.

The results for 2005 .....

1. Finland
2. Korea
3. Netherlands
4. Japan
5. Canada
6. Belgium

But, what the **** do they know? Your buddy knows better, right?

I thought I was smart, but, you've straightened me out. Thanks, it's good to know my place in the world.

I are dum.

That's not the point kid. Let's take a step back. lol! Please review your post and see why your dumb. lol!

barrera Wins UD over Pac in a hard fought fight

Too close to call. Both fighter's have a great chance of beating one another. Let's hope Barrera steps up to the plate and goes for the rematch.

This is just a bad fight for MAB.

The only thing thats possibly changed between the 2 fighters other than age, is Roach might've gotten Manny to take note of a couple things that he needs to incorparate into his arsenal..........but I don't even think thats the case.

With that said, I don't see the outcome changing much, except for it ending eariler.

Too close to call. Both fighter's have a great chance of beating one another. Let's hope Barrera steps up to the plate and goes for the rematch.
After 3 years of a standing challenge from PAC's camp? After he said he's not fighting leftovers, lol! MAB's being a chicken. lol!

I don't blame him. The variance of skill between them is SOOOO far apart. MAB would look like a baby compared to PAC.

MAB gasses out.... PAC doesnt
MAB got a rearranged face last time.... PAC just took MAB's bestpunches easy
MAB is so slow compared to PAC
MAB's power is jiffy compared to PAC
MAB's handspeed is pathetic compared to PAC

the ring generalship is too theoretical. last fight, the ring generalship belonged to PAC, every second of every round.

The fight wasn't even close. Not by a long mile. lol!

After 3 years of a standing challenge from PAC's camp? After he said he's not fighting leftovers, lol! MAB's being a chicken. lol!

I don't blame him. The variance of skill between them is SOOOO far apart. MAB would look like a baby compared to PAC.

MAB gasses out.... PAC doesnt
MAB got a rearranged face last time.... PAC just took MAB's bestpunches easy
MAB is so slow compared to PAC
MAB's power is jiffy compared to PAC
MAB's handspeed is pathetic compared to PAC

the ring generalship is too theoretical. last fight, the ring generalship belonged to PAC, every second of every round.

The fight wasn't even close. Not by a long mile. lol!
Your too harsh. I agree the first fight was one sided but it doesn't mean a rematch would be. Think of fights like the rematch between Holyfield Vs Bowe, same fighters, different Holyfield. i`m not saying barrera will win the rematch, i`m saying it isn't a forgone conclusion that Pac will win!

Your too harsh. I agree the first fight was one sided but it doesn't mean a rematch would be. Think of fights like the rematch between Holyfield Vs Bowe, same fighters, different Holyfield. i`m not saying barrera will win the rematch, i`m saying it isn't a forgone conclusion that Pac will win!
I'm harsh but I'm no hypocrite and I don't lie. Now Kimmy dude, care to answer this question.

Who's faster?
Who does not gas out?
Who has more stamina?
Who has more power?
Who has better handspeed?
Who has better endurance?
Who has the possibility of getting making his oppenent's face rearranged?

By answering the questions, you will arrive at one guy. And I'm sure it aint MAB. lol!

It's not a forgone conclusion. But about 90 percent PAC will win. It just shows. MAB is just too coward to accept the standing challenge PAC issued for 3 years now. If that is not a sign of cowardice, I don't know what a coward is. lol!

I'm harsh but I'm no hypocrite and I don't lie. Now Kimmy dude, care to answer this question.

Who's faster?
Who gasses out?
Who has more stamina?
Who has more power?
Who has better handspeed?
Who has better endurance?
Who has the possibility of getting his face rearranged?

By answering the questions, you will arrive at one guy. And I'm sure it aint MAB. lol!

It's not a forgone conclusion. But about 90 percent PAC will win. It just shows. MAB is just too coward to accept the standing challenge PAC issued for 3 years now. If that is not a sign of cowardice, I don't know what a coward is. lol!
Barrera had an off night, if we go by this lodgic then we would assume that Pac has no chin based on his two KO losses early in his career. But he has improved. So on this form i'm sure Barrera can come back and do the same as Pac, and recover from a stopage loss!

Barrera had an off night, if we go by this lodgic then we would assume that Pac has no chin based on his two KO losses early in his career. But he has improved. So on this form i'm sure Barrera can come back and do the same as Pac, and recover from a stopage loss!No Barrera didn't have an off night. Pac was a kid when that happen. Pac has proven that he can take a punch now. Pac will beat Barrera every single time. This is the reason That Barrera's people never wanted to fight Pac again.

Barrera had an off night, if we go by this lodgic then we would assume that Pac has no chin based on his two KO losses early in his career. But he has improved. So on this form i'm sure Barrera can come back and do the same as Pac, and recover from a stopage loss!
Are u a dumbass or what? Pls answer the question dummy. It's simple you know.

All COWARD MAB has are excuses. Nothing more. That's why he's a puss-wuss.

Are u a dumbass or what? Pls answer the question dummy. It's simple you know.

All COWARD MAB has are excuses. Nothing more. That's why he's a puss-wuss.
I see that you are jealous of barrera. Your guy pac got beaten by Barrera's punch bag Morales and now your jealous because Barrera holds the titles at super feather and manny pac is without anything!

Check this out if you been following boxing or atleast barreras carrer you would know that he would win the rematch!!! I allready know pac man's fans are going to disagree but you have to remember that when barrera fought pac the 1st fight, nobody even knew who paquiao was so their was no way he was ready for his speed and power! but if you recall the barrera vs hamed fight (everybody knows hamed had knock outs!!!!) barrera went in their well prepare because barrera was the underdog and he knew what to prepare for he fought a cautions fight with a little bit of flurrys here in their. and that was because he knew what he was going up against so my point is that now that paquiao is known and on the map barrera would be more then prepared for the rematch!!! barrera by UD. and barrera camp is allready talking about fightin the winner of pac vs morales or going for his 4th championship either way both are going to be good fights!!!

Check this out if you been following boxing or atleast barreras carrer you would know that he would win the rematch!!! I allready know pac man's fans are going to disagree but you have to remember that when barrera fought pac the 1st fight, nobody even knew who paquiao was so their was no way he was ready for his speed and power! but if you recall the barrera vs hamed fight (everybody knows hamed had knock outs!!!!) barrera went in their well prepare because barrera was the underdog and he knew what to prepare for he fought a cautions fight with a little bit of flurrys here in their. and that was because he knew what he was going up against so my point is that now that paquiao is known and on the map barrera would be more then prepared for the rematch!!! barrera by UD. and barrera camp is allready talking about fightin the winner of pac vs morales or going for his 4th championship either way both are going to be good fights!!!Let's not forget Junior Jones. He kocked out Barrera 2 different times. Pac is better then Junior Jones. If this was the case, why Barrera's people been ducking pac for years now. So Barrera should really want to fight Pac again, he doesn't want any part of Pac again.

... the ring generalship is too theoretical. last fight, the ring generalship belonged to PAC, every second of every round.
Pac fans like to have it both ways.

First Ring Generalship is "too theorectical", but if someone's got it, it must be Pac!

I see that you are jealous of barrera. Your guy pac got beaten by Barrera's punch bag Morales and now your jealous because Barrera holds the titles at super feather and manny pac is without anything!
Plain truth like this is hard to take, if you are a Pac fan these days.

Pac ..... 1-1-1 against top Feathers. Not exactly the stuff of legends.

Plain truth like this is hard to take, if you are a Pac fan these days.

Pac ..... 1-1-1 against top Feathers. Not exactly the stuff of legends.

i won't dwell too much on numbers. pac's loss to erik was a close one while jmm got lucky because of the dumb judge who scored it 10-7 for manny instead of 10-6 after jmm's 3kds in the first round. however the same 1-1-1 stat also shows 2 of them shying away from pac both know they're gonna lose, so it could have been an easy 3-1-1 for pac (minus pac-em2).

cheers!
:boxing:

I firmly believe that Barrera had an off night...after Pac knocked him down in the 3rd round.

Be honest, watch the first round of that fight and tell me if Barrera was off that night. MAB possessed speed, threw some wicked combinations and unloaded great body shots against Pac in the 1st. Watch and listen to the fight carefully and see that Emmanuel Steward also noticed that the Barrera wasn't that slow until after the 3rd.

So to answer some of your questions, Yes, Barrera had an off night...after he was knocked down in the 3rd round.

il translate the whole summary of this thread
all pinoy ses - pac wud destroy mab or win a decisive win in their 2nd meeting
non pinoy/mab fans ses - mab has a chance in beating pac and mab is not in shaped during their 1st fight
since im pinoy , i pick pac

i won't dwell too much on numbers. pac's loss to erik was a close one while jmm got lucky because of the dumb judge who scored it 10-7 for manny instead of 10-6 after jmm's 3kds in the first round. however the same 1-1-1 stat also shows 2 of them shying away from pac both know they're gonna lose, so it could have been an easy 3-1-1 for pac (minus pac-em2).

cheers!
:boxing:
Janno .... I respect you, based on some of your posts I've read. But let's be real, the "stats" don't consider whethe a fighter "shys away" from the rematch. It's win, lose or draw, and nothin' else.

As far as "easy" being used to descibed anything Pac does, I couldn't agree less. Sure he bombed MAB, but he sure didn't make it "easy" for himself against Marquez (by not be able to finish very badly hurt guy) or against Morales.

I firmly believe that Barrera had an off night...
I firmly agree. All this talk of "styles making fights" is correct, but MAB was not made to look that bad by Pac alone. There were other things at work. The rematch will be much more competitive, with the verdict much more uncertain.

Janno .... I respect you, based on some of your posts I've read. But let's be real, the "stats" don't consider whethe a fighter "shys away" from the rematch. It's win, lose or draw, and nothin' else.

As far as "easy" being used to descibed anything Pac does, I couldn't agree less. Sure he bombed MAB, but he sure didn't make it "easy" for himself against Marquez (by not be able to finish very badly hurt guy) or against Morales.

Read ma works on "Pac, Barrera, Morales: Who is Best?"...."Who won The Fight?: Marquez or Pacquiao" threads. There, in full accurate details, I described ta luckyness of Marquez gainst Pacman! And by ta time you're done reading it, you'll be sayin "woooooow, I dint even know that. THANK YOU!" LOL!

il translate the whole summary of this thread
all pinoy ses - pac wud destroy mab or win a decisive win in their 2nd meeting
non pinoy/mab fans ses - mab has a chance in beating pac and mab is not in shaped during their 1st fight
since im pinoy , i pick pac

i'm not filipino but i say pac will still win.

I firmly believe that Barrera had an off night...after Pac knocked him down in the 3rd round.

Be honest, watch the first round of that fight and tell me if Barrera was off that night. MAB possessed speed, threw some wicked combinations and unloaded great body shots against Pac in the 1st. Watch and listen to the fight carefully and see that Emmanuel Steward also noticed that the Barrera wasn't that slow until after the 3rd.

So to answer some of your questions, Yes, Barrera had an off night...after he was knocked down in the 3rd round.
If you're not a dummy dumbass, he started slowing down when it became evident that PAC isn't gonna stop from his barrage.

If you're not a dummy dumbass, you'll observe that what really slowed him was the left straight (PAC's deadliest weapon). If you're observing well, even in the 2nd round he already had a busted eye and a cut in the eyelids.

MAB gassed out early cause PAC gave it to him every second. He couldn't rest coz PAC is not like Peden who mess around. PAC was all business and never let MAB a second's rest. PAC recieved a LOT of punishment from MAB and yet it didn't even slowed PAC down. Proof enough that MAB can NEVER knock PAC down.

ANd if you're not a dummy, you'll know that after the fight, when they were face to face with each other, MAB said he lost no excuses. Now that they're not face to face he has the balls to say it was an off-night. It only makes sense, MAB is too coward to say it to PAC's face.

Problem with you buddy, is that you're a dummy. lol!

Read ma works on "Pac, Barrera, Morales: Who is Best?"...."Who won The Fight?: Marquez or Pacquiao" threads. There, in full accurate details, I described ta luckyness of Marquez gainst Pacman! And by ta time you're done reading it, you'll be sayin "woooooow, I dint even know that. THANK YOU!" LOL!
Manny_P .... you know I've read these posts. You use the term "lucky" incorrectly (or ignorantly?) when discussing Pac-Marquez. If we talk solely about the performances of these two men, and ignore the judges scoring, you have to attribute Marquez's apparent "luck" to his skills and ablity to adjust, coupled with Pac's complete dependency on throwing the same stuff.

It's not "luck" that keeps you upright and competitive for 11 rounds, especially after receiving a 3KD pounding in the first round. It's not "luck" that allowed Marquez to get back into that fight. If anything, it was Pac's inability to take out a very hurt man.

Morales used Marquez's approach to rounds 2 thru 12 as a model to beat Pac. So, was Morales then "lucky" against Pac too, since he executed a plan borrowed from Marquez? I don't think so.

There is definitely luck involved in the boxing game. But, Marquez didn't need luck to survive rounds 2 thru 11 because he had the combination of chin, skill and heart required to stay in that fight. On that night, only Pac can be blamed for not finishing off a hurt man. Why could he not do it? Because Marquez wouldn't let him, end of story.

Now lets look at the judges. First, Pac should not even have had this fight going to the cards. But, for Pac fans it a great thing that one judge didn't give a 10-7 round, because it allows a controversy to distract from the fact that Pac couldn't beat a guy who was in BIG trouble. But, if we must look at the cards, then consider this ..... Pac didn't clearly beat Marquez in the eyes of a majority of the judges, end of story. Marquez was very competitive in rounds 2 to 12, so Pac again allowed the judges to see some rounds much closer than they should have been. So, despite the 3KD first round, Pac again couldn't clearly dominate Marquez, according to the judges.

Let's give Pac the Majority Decision he would have won, if the judge had scored correctly. So Pac would have have a MD, after a 3 KD first round, right? That doesn't say to much about Pac's "dominance" of Marquez after that first round.

When discussing Pac-Marquez, look at what happened in the ring and ignore the judegs though. The judges cannot be trusted, so every fighter has to give it all in the ring. I think Manny is very aware of this and gave Marquez everything he's got, but couldn't beat him, simple.

Pacman would win with a KO within 8 rounds. Pac's faster than MAb, he has better conditioning, a harder puncher and has proved that he is worthy to big fights.

If Barrera fights Pacquiao in a rematch who do you think will take the fight, and in how many rounds?

Rumor has it that Barrera said No to Pacquiao, but I don't think anyone knows yet for sure.


Barrera said 'NO' because he knows he can't win that fight, so why take the beating? These two should not fight again.......

Barrera said 'NO' because he knows he can't win that fight, so why take the beating? These two should not fight again.......
If they should fight again, MAB better settle his hospital bills. Because that is where he is heading straight. lol!

Last time around, PAC only had the left straight as his weapon. This time around he has this awkward uppercuts, sick right hook and sweet hidden shots at awkward angles.

Last time they fought, MAB had cuts on both eyes, black eyes on both eye, a violet face from a severe beating, cuts on the lip.

I really pity MAB if they face again. The last beating would look like a child's play compared to the second fight. lol!

Manny_P .... you know I've read these posts. You use the term "lucky" incorrectly (or ignorantly?) when discussing Pac-Marquez. If we talk solely about the performances of these two men, and ignore the judges scoring, you have to attribute Marquez's apparent "luck" to his skills and ablity to adjust, coupled with Pac's complete dependency on throwing the same stuff.

It's not "luck" that keeps you upright and competitive for 11 rounds, especially after receiving a 3KD pounding in the first round. It's not "luck" that allowed Marquez to get back into that fight. If anything, it was Pac's inability to take out a very hurt man.

Morales used Marquez's approach to rounds 2 thru 12 as a model to beat Pac. So, was Morales then "lucky" against Pac too, since he executed a plan borrowed from Marquez? I don't think so.

There is definitely luck involved in the boxing game. But, Marquez didn't need luck to survive rounds 2 thru 11 because he had the combination of chin, skill and heart required to stay in that fight. On that night, only Pac can be blamed for not finishing off a hurt man. Why could he not do it? Because Marquez wouldn't let him, end of story.

Now lets look at the judges. First, Pac should not even have had this fight going to the cards. But, for Pac fans it a great thing that one judge didn't give a 10-7 round, because it allows a controversy to distract from the fact that Pac couldn't beat a guy who was in BIG trouble. But, if we must look at the cards, then consider this ..... Pac didn't clearly beat Marquez in the eyes of a majority of the judges, end of story. Marquez was very competitive in rounds 2 to 12, so Pac again allowed the judges to see some rounds much closer than they should have been. So, despite the 3KD first round, Pac again couldn't clearly dominate Marquez, according to the judges.

Let's give Pac the Majority Decision he would have won, if the judge had scored correctly. So Pac would have have a MD, after a 3 KD first round, right? That doesn't say to much about Pac's "dominance" of Marquez after that first round.

When discussing Pac-Marquez, look at what happened in the ring and ignore the judegs though. The judges cannot be trusted, so every fighter has to give it all in the ring. I think Manny is very aware of this and gave Marquez everything he's got, but couldn't beat him, simple.

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Manny_P .... you know I've read these posts. You use the term "lucky" incorrectly (or ignorantly?) when discussing Pac-Marquez. If we talk solely about the performances of these two men, and ignore the judges scoring, you have to attribute Marquez's apparent "luck" to his skills and ablity to adjust, coupled with Pac's complete dependency on throwing the same stuff.

It's not "luck" that keeps you upright and competitive for 11 rounds, especially after receiving a 3KD pounding in the first round. It's not "luck" that allowed Marquez to get back into that fight. If anything, it was Pac's inability to take out a very hurt man.

Morales used Marquez's approach to rounds 2 thru 12 as a model to beat Pac. So, was Morales then "lucky" against Pac too, since he executed a plan borrowed from Marquez? I don't think so.

There is definitely luck involved in the boxing game. But, Marquez didn't need luck to survive rounds 2 thru 11 because he had the combination of chin, skill and heart required to stay in that fight. On that night, only Pac can be blamed for not finishing off a hurt man. Why could he not do it? Because Marquez wouldn't let him, end of story.

Now lets look at the judges. First, Pac should not even have had this fight going to the cards. But, for Pac fans it a great thing that one judge didn't give a 10-7 round, because it allows a controversy to distract from the fact that Pac couldn't beat a guy who was in BIG trouble. But, if we must look at the cards, then consider this ..... Pac didn't clearly beat Marquez in the eyes of a majority of the judges, end of story. Marquez was very competitive in rounds 2 to 12, so Pac again allowed the judges to see some rounds much closer than they should have been. So, despite the 3KD first round, Pac again couldn't clearly dominate Marquez, according to the judges.

Let's give Pac the Majority Decision he would have won, if the judge had scored correctly. So Pac would have have a MD, after a 3 KD first round, right? That doesn't say to much about Pac's "dominance" of Marquez after that first round.

When discussing Pac-Marquez, look at what happened in the ring and ignore the judegs though. The judges cannot be trusted, so every fighter has to give it all in the ring. I think Manny is very aware of this and gave Marquez everything he's got, but couldn't beat him, simple.

Totally agree! :rolleyes:

This is total speculation, and if this is ignored, it may very well deserve that fate:



What if Pacquiao wins against Morales at 130 in defense of his recently acquired 130-lbs. WBC International belt, and is made Barrera's mandatory? ("Fat chance of that happening," say Erik's fans!:) )

Barrera has been quoted as having said he does not want to take on Morales' "left-overs".

Will MAB move up to 135 and face Jesus?

Will he face Pacquiao?

Will he retire?

Will he throw away the belt and face Morales, again?

Your guess is-- I suppose-- going to be as good as any, but, let's hear it!;)

It will be manny's game everytime he and barrera square of. Manny is too strong and fast compared to barrera. Barrera's style is tailored to manny's devastating power

It will be manny's game everytime he and barrera square of. Manny is too strong and fast compared to barrera. Barrera's style is tailored to manny's devastating power


hey no guy welcome to the forum You are now in the red in karma. you should thank me

hey no guy welcome to the forum You are now in the red in karma. you should thank me
I gave him a little red karma as well, it is good for him

I gave him a little red karma as well, it is good for him
i give him blue LOL :D

barrera would look like an old dog against pac

Morales Split descsion.

Morales Split descsion.

F**K me I mean Pacquaio by UD.

The problem and nightmare of MAB is that he is only effective against guys slower or at least as fast as him (he's damn slow by the way), against PAC's superior speed, power, stamina, chin, handspeed, and killer instincts, he will be butchered and cut into pieces.

Remember, counter-punchers are only effective if you're faster than the guy or bigger than him. MAB has a lot of lazy body fat, PAC has no body fat and all muscles. PAC is the best conditioned athlete in boxing today.

pacman will ko MAB in early round

It they do have re-match, I think that it will be draw. Mainly because champions know how to get back on their feet after a loss.Especially MAB. They learn from their mistakes. Pac-man is still the a tough,tough guy to beat. I can't count either of them out!

Morales Split descsion.
You've eaten your words kid. :)

although i agree with this statement, you have to remember that this was barreras first fight at 130 pounds, when he was fighting at 126 pounds he has lots of stamina, his fights with naseem hamed, morales, and johnny tapia has shown that barrera has terrific stamina. i think he paced himself in his third fight with morales because of the fact that it was a new weight class for him.

i also think that barrera can beat pacquaio if they fight again, i dont think he will knock him out tho, manny just seems to be very strong, i think if barrera does win it would go to points.

When MAB fought Pacquiao, they were fighting at 126 pounds. MAB first fight at 130 pounds is with Erik Morales in 2004.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=008010

Pacquiao would win!!!

i guess im one of the few people who think MAB will win.. if he fight pacman like he did in the naz fight he will win.. he had this look of fire on his face the whole time.. he was focused but mad at the same time... hard to explain..

i dont think barerra is that slow at all

Manny would win... But not as convincingly as the 1st imo. MAB would definitely have his moments. But Pac is the fresher one and is too quick and strong for Barrera
on the contrary, it'll be easier. manny improved alot especially with his right hook. barrera has nothing more to offer :boxing: