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The_One77
05-08-2005, 03:11 PM
I just saw the highlights and i've lost some respect for sugar ray leonard, i felt sorry for duran because he was outclassed and all leonard did was mug to the crowd and beat him to the punch. I saw duran was discouraged and sometimes it almost seemed like he was bullied by leonard because duran just couldn't beat the **** out of him.
Leonard showed signs of their second fight of how he humialted him into the 'no mas' scenario.
I was glad when duran gave him a fat cut in the last round on his eye.
Go DURAN! :boxing:

welshwales
05-11-2005, 04:12 PM
that was possibly the only time I hated on Leonard other than the Hagler fight ;)

kapersky
05-12-2005, 03:42 AM
that was possibly the only time I hated on Leonard other than the Hagler fight ;)

i havent seen that fight, what about it?. i though hagler was much bigger than leonard but in that fight leonard looks little bigger than hagler. some can go up and go down but it had no affect on them like roy jones... lucky the are.

Fistof Fury
05-13-2005, 07:51 AM
I just saw that fight too. Duran just seemed so frustrated. The look on his face said it all.

I have to say though that Leonard did a keep a very good job of keeping him that way.

czars_salad
05-13-2005, 08:03 AM
i havent seen that fight, what about it?. i though hagler was much bigger than leonard but in that fight leonard looks little bigger than hagler. some can go up and go down but it had no affect on them like roy jones... lucky the are.
hagler may have won that fight. leonard would launch a barrage of punches in the first 30 seconds of a round, then hagler outclassed leonard in the middle part of all rounds....up to the last 30 seconds wherein leonard unleash another flurry of punches.

it was like this, leonard won the fight based on impressions. but it was hagler who really fought a real fight

wmute
05-13-2005, 01:05 PM
i havent seen that fight, what about it?. i though hagler was much bigger than leonard but in that fight leonard looks little bigger than hagler. some can go up and go down but it had no affect on them like roy jones... lucky the are.

well the heaviest leonard ever fought was 165 and when he went back down to 154 he lost to terry norris, so he did not fluctuate that much in weight and when he went back down he lost

partee
05-27-2005, 03:52 PM
didn't realize there was a Duran-Leonard III---pray tell what happened

Kimmy
05-29-2005, 09:03 AM
It was one sided. Duran did cut Ray in the 4th round but it really didn`t effect the fight. Leoard danced and won a 12 rd dec. The WBC super middleweight title was on the line ( Duran was the WBC middleweight champ having beaten Iran Barkley ).
Duran i feel was just in it for the pay day i think!

onetwopunch
05-30-2005, 11:05 PM
Duran was at his best at 135, but he is the man..to go up in weight and be a force at middle againts all the great middleweights of his time says alot..

solo1bc
06-04-2005, 03:18 PM
The best way to fight a bully like Duran is to frustrate the hell out of them! Sugar Ray did what he had to do to win and you can't argue with that!

Shaolin Bushido
06-04-2005, 03:43 PM
The best way to fight a bully like Duran is to frustrate the hell out of them! Sugar Ray did what he had to do to win and you can't argue with that!

That's exactly the same thing he did in their second fight and Duran looked just as frustrated the last time. It just seemed worse cause Duran looked like a damn merchant and Ray made him fight like one.

tommyhearns804
06-04-2005, 08:38 PM
actually the one duran wasnt outclassed.he was only down 4 rounds to 2 with one round even on 2 of the cards and 4 round to 3 on the other .i have no idea why duran quit.probably because he knew leonard was a coward who would just run like a scared woman

solo1bc
06-05-2005, 03:16 AM
Deciding not to get hit by Roberto Duran doesn't make you a coward! That makes you ****in clever!

It's called 'Boxing' and not just 'Fighting' for a reason! It's a sport with different ways to win!

shortright
08-03-2005, 10:36 PM
leanord should of fought like a man he was fighting a 38 yr old ex lightweight, there should have been a barkley rematch instead, that would have been much more exciting for the fans, but money talks

Pico Hollywood
08-25-2005, 04:04 AM
Manos de Piedra

Boxclever
08-25-2005, 05:21 AM
Glad that Leonard won, but it wasn't a good fight. :boxing:

raiders67
08-25-2005, 02:24 PM
How can anyone say Leonard disrespected Duran....in their first bout Duran called Leonard's wife a disparaging name and he also mugged for the camera at the end....what goes around comes around....I don't have sympathy for either fighter as both were great but held on too long and that's their choice.

PerfectPunch
08-28-2005, 06:34 PM
duran in his prime would beat leonard in his prime. duran was past his prime in their first fight in montreal and still dominated leonard from first bell to last.in his prime he had amazing stamina,power and good speed.he also had good counterpunching skills,but is best as a banger. he was relentless and used his jab and slipped to get inside, and when he was in he punished his opponents with brutal combinations to the body. yes leonard would have a chance of stayin away from him in the first few rounds, but soon fatigue would be setting in and duran would slow him down and finish him off.duran in his prime could keep a fast pace throughout a fight and this would be telling in the later rounds.

shortright
08-29-2005, 12:27 AM
when duran was prepared to fight and younger then 38 leanord wasnt dancing but if duran is old and out of shape then he dances, what a coward move, leanord robbed the fans of duran barkley 2

DMikeS4321
09-01-2005, 11:25 PM
hagler may have won that fight. leonard would launch a barrage of punches in the first 30 seconds of a round, then hagler outclassed leonard in the middle part of all rounds....up to the last 30 seconds wherein leonard unleash another flurry of punches.

it was like this, leonard won the fight based on impressions. but it was hagler who really fought a real fight

I saw that fight and I was disgusted with it. Hagler plainly won in the opinion of about 80% of the people in attendance. I was never a big Leonard fan (there is only ONE Sugar Ray!), but that fight made me hate him.

Hagler kicked his ass, but I figured going in that the only way he could win was by KO, because Leonard was a crowd favorite and media darling. Bad day for boxing...

Scottie2Hottie
09-02-2005, 03:57 PM
DMike, i was about to say the exact same thing in the exact same words. the media loved leonard, and so did the crowd, and thats the only reason he walked away the winner that day. hagler hung up his gloves that day, and i wouldve too, its sad that a fight can be decided by showboating and working the crowd.

MikeHunt
12-03-2005, 07:23 PM
I just saw the highlights and i've lost some respect for sugar ray leonard, i felt sorry for duran because he was outclassed and all leonard did was mug to the crowd and beat him to the punch. I saw duran was discouraged and sometimes it almost seemed like he was bullied by leonard because duran just couldn't beat the **** out of him.
Leonard showed signs of their second fight of how he humialted him into the 'no mas' scenario.
I was glad when duran gave him a fat cut in the last round on his eye.
Go DURAN! :boxing:


Love Leonard and Duran, but the 3rd fight was just a payday. It sucked!!

KingAbdullah
12-04-2005, 01:00 PM
I just saw the highlights and i've lost some respect for sugar ray leonard, i felt sorry for duran because he was outclassed and all leonard did was mug to the crowd and beat him to the punch. I saw duran was discouraged and sometimes it almost seemed like he was bullied by leonard because duran just couldn't beat the **** out of him.
Leonard showed signs of their second fight of how he humialted him into the 'no mas' scenario.
I was glad when duran gave him a fat cut in the last round on his eye.
Go DURAN! :boxing:

You're lucky that all you saw were the highlights.

It was truly a pititable spectacle for anyone watching it and in more ways than one. It may have bee worse than Hagler-Leonard fight if such a thing is possible so I can relate to everything you said. I can imagine the gleeful looks on the faces of Leonard's fans as they watched leonard embarrass and outclass Duran.

On the bright side, Leonard got his just desserts in his very next fight as the tables were turned and Ray was now in the very same role as Duran. :D

Leonard fans will NEVER get over that one because Ray was supposed to get by Norris without a problem. Norris was a hage underdog and most people didn't even know who he was.I told this one guy after the Hagler fight, Leonard cannot beat a good young black fighter. I didn't even know at the time leonard would continue his career. I just knew that if he ever faced a youthful fighter that had the goods, he would lose and he did.

My point is that if Leonard was really as good as everyone had been saying he was for the entire decade of the 80's, he should have have had no problems with this unknown fighter. At the very least, he should have made it close but he didn't even give Terry a fight. Only the second round was competitive. But leonard seemed to get hurt in just about every round including the first in which he fell into the ropes from a bosy shot. I was surprised that he really couldn't take a punch.

I had first seen this problem back in 79 when he faced slapper Marcos Geraldo who clipped him on the chin three times in the third round and he went spaghetti legs three times. It was like a preview of leonard-Camacho as he kept stumbling back across the ring. It's pretty hard to cover up the fact that you have a glass jaw. This is probably why Ray had to be so selective with his opponents after 1982.

In the Norris fight, the only excuse Ray's supporters can come up with is "Ray got old-he was shot". But look athis last fight with Duran. He looked perfectly fine and won all 12 rounds.

Do shot fighters run around the ring no stop for 12 rounds? This is something his fans never could answer. They don't know how . They just keep repeatting themselves. Saying "He got old" and hoping others will somehow believe them.

fabulous
12-07-2005, 05:20 PM
duran in his prime would beat leonard in his prime. duran was past his prime in their first fight in montreal and still dominated leonard from first bell to last.in his prime he had amazing stamina,power and good speed.he also had good counterpunching skills,but is best as a banger. he was relentless and used his jab and slipped to get inside, and when he was in he punished his opponents with brutal combinations to the body. yes leonard would have a chance of stayin away from him in the first few rounds, but soon fatigue would be setting in and duran would slow him down and finish him off.duran in his prime could keep a fast pace throughout a fight and this would be telling in the later rounds.


Duran absolute best fight above lightweight was in Montreal, it was also his biggest win. Don't give this bull**** about prime Duran, he was 29 years old, in his best fight and all he got was close decision when Leonard fought his fight. And it was Duran who was tired in late rounds and Leonard took them. Duran fought regularly above lightweight for years but he didn't fight anybody Leonard, Hearns level in lightweight, Buchanan and De Jesus isn't. If you say that mythical p4p matchup, lightweight duran vs welterweight Leonard then I can take your arguments seriously.
Anyway, I say Hearns still KO-s prime welterweight Duran(who fought in Montreal) with couple of rounds, Leonard outboxes him, Benitez, well this is tough call. I think Duran can rock him but if he doesn't knock him out Benitez wins comfortable decision.
It's about styles, not about who looked better in their weight class. Hagler was monster like Duran in his weight but watch his fight with Duran and Leonard and you see different picture.

sweeetscience
01-04-2006, 05:00 PM
The best way to fight a bully like Duran is to frustrate the hell out of them! Sugar Ray did what he had to do to win and you can't argue with that!

Roberto Duran is in my very humble opinion is one of the greatest fighters that has walked this earth and was robbed by Hector(love to hate him) Camacho in his last comeback fight.

LondonRingRules
01-04-2006, 07:58 PM
Duran was a macho pig and deserved it, just like Ray was a egotistical manipulator and deserved to be layed out by Macho Camacho. We feel bad for losses by Foreman or Hagler, real men, not jerked up Ray or jacked off Roberto being humiliated.

MrRolltide91
03-16-2016, 10:59 PM
It was just a money fight

GodOfBoxing
03-16-2016, 11:53 PM
hagler may have won that fight. leonard would launch a barrage of punches in the first 30 seconds of a round, then hagler outclassed leonard in the middle part of all rounds....up to the last 30 seconds wherein leonard unleash another flurry of punches.

it was like this, leonard won the fight based on impressions. but it was hagler who really fought a real fight
Tell you what! aa) Wanted Hagler to WIN! bb) Hagler (going in) deserved to WIN cc) Leonard won double the rounds. How could Marvin WIN if Ray Leonard won twice as many rounds?

GodOfBoxing
03-16-2016, 11:59 PM
You're lucky that all you saw were the highlights.

It was truly a pititable spectacle for anyone watching it and in more ways than one. It may have bee worse than Hagler-Leonard fight if such a thing is possible so I can relate to everything you said. I can imagine the gleeful looks on the faces of Leonard's fans as they watched leonard embarrass and outclass Duran.

On the bright side, Leonard got his just desserts in his very next fight as the tables were turned and Ray was now in the very same role as Duran. :D

Leonard fans will NEVER get over that one because Ray was supposed to get by Norris without a problem. Norris was a hage underdog and most people didn't even know who he was.I told this one guy after the Hagler fight, Leonard cannot beat a good young black fighter. I didn't even know at the time leonard would continue his career. I just knew that if he ever faced a youthful fighter that had the goods, he would lose and he did.

My point is that if Leonard was really as good as everyone had been saying he was for the entire decade of the 80's, he should have have had no problems with this unknown fighter. At the very least, he should have made it close but he didn't even give Terry a fight. Only the second round was competitive. But leonard seemed to get hurt in just about every round including the first in which he fell into the ropes from a bosy shot. I was surprised that he really couldn't take a punch.

I had first seen this problem back in 79 when he faced slapper Marcos Geraldo who clipped him on the chin three times in the third round and he went spaghetti legs three times. It was like a preview of leonard-Camacho as he kept stumbling back across the ring. It's pretty hard to cover up the fact that you have a glass jaw. This is probably why Ray had to be so selective with his opponents after 1982.

In the Norris fight, the only excuse Ray's supporters can come up with is "Ray got old-he was shot". But look athis last fight with Duran. He looked perfectly fine and won all 12 rounds.

Do shot fighters run around the ring no stop for 12 rounds? This is something his fans never could answer. They don't know how . They just keep repeatting themselves. Saying "He got old" and hoping others will somehow believe them.
Guy! I know you ARE "all serious", HAAAAAAAAA but, Serious back at you! Have you been smoking something?
: ) NO! I know! You just a Novice CUB!
Tell you what......you are in Kindergarden with this discussion. What is your FAVORITE SPORT? What is your FIELD? I want "equal trade" here!

Sugar Adam Ali
03-17-2016, 12:03 AM
I was just an infant when they first fought.. I was really hyped to see part 3... Total dud..

Very similar to a modern day floyd fight as too the way Ray pretty much dominated and made it kinda boring

anthonydavid11
03-17-2016, 12:40 AM
I just saw the highlights and i've lost some respect for sugar ray leonard, i felt sorry for duran because he was outclassed and all leonard did was mug to the crowd and beat him to the punch. I saw duran was discouraged and sometimes it almost seemed like he was bullied by leonard because duran just couldn't beat the **** out of him.
Leonard showed signs of their second fight of how he humialted him into the 'no mas' scenario.
I was glad when duran gave him a fat cut in the last round on his eye.
Go DURAN! :boxing:

Duran's 38-year-old legs weren't going to chase him for twelve rounds. He got in there for a big check and landed the only significant punch of the fight. A real waste.

anthonydavid11
03-17-2016, 12:43 AM
Roberto Duran is in my very humble opinion is one of the greatest fighters that has walked this earth and was robbed by Hector(love to hate him) Camacho in his last comeback fight.

The Camacho robbery was el terrible.

rightsideup
03-17-2016, 12:51 AM
this is an incredibly old thread duran came off a great performance against against barkly. against barkly he was fighting a guy he did not have to chase and also some income tax leins appeared from fights all the way back to montreal surfaced I am sure all this stress hamper duran prep or at 38 he was simply to old in june of 1980 at 145.5 may been durans perfect weight age and experence level to beat ray

Joe Beamish
03-17-2016, 12:55 AM
Duran was 38 years old when he fought the third fight with Leonard. Not saying he wasn't still a good fighter. But his best years were WAY behind him. Just sayin

The Old LefHook
03-17-2016, 02:57 AM
The longer the viable career of a boxer, the more information historians have to work with in placing them on mythical lists.

One of several reasons that Langford remains legendary is that his record shows he continued to beat top men above his own ideal weight while past his own prime. The exact same is true of Duran. In a sport which has for decades been in very short supply of men willing to take the big challenges in a timely fashion, Duran simply could not find enough mountains to climb.

Add his career up and there is only one minor and one major deduction, for no rematch against Buchanan and the quit job in Orleans. The rest was pure entertainment, guts, skill and ferocity.

He left nothing in doubt about how great he was. Most greats do leave some doubt, some unfinished business--there is someone they should have fought, someone perhaps they avoided; or they retired too early, or died too early. Duran had the full career, too full, but that will not affect the legacy in the least.

Compare that to Leonard, who indeed fought six big fights against five different opponents, going at it in a timely rematch only once, of course against the only man to clearly beat him out of those five. The rematches against Hearns and Duran were past expiration dates.

It doesn't matter if the reason was health as in a detached retina, or whatever else was going on--he did not have the durability of the stone hand, if that is the case. For that matter, he did not have as deep a bag of skills, either. What he had was athleticism like few others ever. Like Roy Jones or Mayweather, he would have excelled at anything from ping pong to gymnastics and been an Olympic star. Old age always exposes a lack of skill in boxers, where it is to be found, and a lack of chin. They get hit more as they grow older, then we get to see. Mayweather had the stellar talent and a deep medicine bag of traditional skills. He lacked the big punch though.

Duran showed everything he had in him for a long time. If everyone gave as much, historians would have an easier job. He will not slip in the rankings much because he left no doubts, no unfinished business. He gave us second and third and fourth looks to make up our minds, and passed all tests. Just about everyone else leaves a lingering doubt here or there.

soul_survivor
03-17-2016, 06:52 PM
I just saw the highlights and i've lost some respect for sugar ray leonard, i felt sorry for duran because he was outclassed and all leonard did was mug to the crowd and beat him to the punch. I saw duran was discouraged and sometimes it almost seemed like he was bullied by leonard because duran just couldn't beat the **** out of him.
Leonard showed signs of their second fight of how he humialted him into the 'no mas' scenario.
I was glad when duran gave him a fat cut in the last round on his eye.
Go DURAN! :boxing:

I don't understand...you disliked Leonard for schooling Duran?

rightsideup
03-22-2016, 01:00 AM
I don't understand...you disliked Leonard for schooling Duran?why was not Duran schooled in June 1980 in Montreal?

Willy Wanker
03-22-2016, 03:29 AM
I remember seeing in a documentary, probably 30 for 30, when Duran asked Leonard why did he wait so long to give him a third fight. Leonard responded with something like, "I just wanted to f*ck with your head."

soul_survivor
03-22-2016, 07:07 AM
why was not Duran schooled in June 1980 in Montreal?

Because Leonard fought the wrong fight. Instead of moving, jabbing and catching Duran on his way in, he decided to stand and trade. Plus, for a guy who was only 24, he went toe-to-toe with a legend and only lost a close fight. There's no harm in that.

When Leonard went 100, he made Duran look a fool AND made him quit.

Anyway, this was over 30 years ago, learn to accept it and move on.

rightsideup
03-22-2016, 06:04 PM
Leonard was stunned in the first fight in the second round and fought on the inside he came back to make the fight close. Amazing display of courage. To say he fought the wrong fight is idiotic.

Steve plunger
03-22-2016, 06:28 PM
duran in his prime would beat leonard in his prime. duran was past his prime in their first fight in montreal and still dominated leonard from first bell to last.in his prime he had amazing stamina,power and good speed.he also had good counterpunching skills,but is best as a banger. he was relentless and used his jab and slipped to get inside, and when he was in he punished his opponents with brutal combinations to the body. yes leonard would have a chance of stayin away from him in the first few rounds, but soon fatigue would be setting in and duran would slow him down and finish him off.duran in his prime could keep a fast pace throughout a fight and this would be telling in the later rounds.
Talking ****......Durans only way to beat Leonard was to make it a toe to toe toe fight...and a boxer will only do that when he feels the need to do so.....if a boxer decides to move and box there's no way a fighter like Duran can beat him...speed, timing and movement Leonard holds all the aces and that was proven..Leonard was ****y the firsts fight and thought he could best Duran at his own game and he came pretty close...the second fight Duran couldn't touch him and that's why Duran quit....u might not like it but Leonard a superior boxer to Duran and the end result proves it....move on son