View Full Version : Premature Stoppage?
What do you think. I dont know, Im 50/50. However it seemed kind of like the Griffinth-Parret fight when he was on the rope but it wasnt that long. I wouldve let some more punches land or wait a second to see if he goes down and can he get back up but I wont argue with it. Rematch
Alpha Male 05-07-2005, 11:35 PM Not a premature stoppage. Corrales clearly had Castillo out on his feet. If the ref would've wait a few seconds longer, Castillo would've been knocked through the ropes.
Zab Super Judah 05-07-2005, 11:35 PM damn it sucks..castillo should have took a knee
abdiel2k3 05-07-2005, 11:35 PM def not
my dad was irrate
but the way i see
as a mexican fan
he finally got a taste of what meldrikc fans had been screamin about
he was being hurt
not just in the final round
chico was constantly stunning him
great fight by chico and castillo
def fight of the year
come back of the year
SuckaPunch 05-07-2005, 11:37 PM def not
my dad was irrate
but the way i see
as a mexican fan
he finally got a taste of what meldrikc fans had been screamin about
he was being hurt
not just in the final round
chico was constantly stunning him
great fight by chico and castillo
def fight of the year
come back of the year
hey ****face, it ain't no premature stoppage, ur boy was out like a mofo, bwahahahaha!
Konstantin 05-07-2005, 11:39 PM stfu vince thats exactly what abdiel was saying. He said "def not" premature stoppage.
.::|ULTIMATE|::. 05-07-2005, 11:41 PM hey ****face, it ain't no premature stoppage, ur boy was out like a mofo, bwahahahaha!
learn to read.
Frankly no i dont think the stoppage was premature for a regular fight he was out on his feet, With so much riding on the line however i think castillo would have preferred the ref to let him go down cus its gonna be tough to get a second chance after busting chico's face up like that. Plus maybe he could have spit the mouthpiece out like chico and got like 3 8 counts worth of time to recover.
SuckaPunch 05-07-2005, 11:42 PM stfu vince thats exactly what abdiel was saying. He said "def not" premature stoppage.
hehe, i know he said that. it's just that this ****face is such a smart-ass here in boxingscene, that's why i said it.
newayz, i hope his dad won't beat this ****face to settle on his frustration.
SnoopySmurf 05-07-2005, 11:43 PM hey ****face, it ain't no premature stoppage, ur boy was out like a mofo, bwahahahaha!
Oy! Sabi nya "Definitely NOT [a premature stoppage]".
bullmother****ing****....
Castillo desreved the benefit..against the ropes he could have been given an 8 count...imagine Gatti v Ward stopped prematurely after Gatti appeared thru after the bnody shots...
Imagine the next round after both had been left for dead...Castillo deserved the chance to continue...
This was a ****ing great fight that has let me upset and speachless...what can I say..Castillo after the effort he put forth deserved the chance too continue...m,an this was so bitter sweet...forgive me Im a bit drunk but Im a pissed off mother ****er right now...this would have been a legendary finsish on top of a legendary fight...****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
drez24 05-07-2005, 11:43 PM I'll be the first to bite on this one even though I don't disagree with the stoppage, but as a referee, shouldn't you give castillo a little bit of credit as a warrior, seeing if he would at least go down? I mean, when corrales had him on the ropes right after he got up the second time, the ref was looking to jump in it seemed like. I dunno, what do you say?
Hurlex 05-07-2005, 11:43 PM i would have prefered to see if Castillo would have gotten up..it seemed liek a bad enging to a great fight...i hate Corrales acting like a lil ***** and spitting out the mouth piece..that was BS,he knew he wasgonnabe ko'ed.Great fight none the less. I would take Castillo over Corrales in rematch of course.
Soldier01 05-07-2005, 11:45 PM I dunno how anyone can say this was a preatures stoppage. The Castillo was like a rag doll on the ropes, No way the ref should of let that fight continue. Whoever thinks that was watching a different fight then I was. GO CHICO!!!!!
legend 05-07-2005, 11:45 PM What's different about Castillo is that he got caught on the ropes. He was out on his feet and if Chico kept hitting him it would have been over anyways. Good stoppage.
SnoopySmurf 05-07-2005, 11:45 PM I'll be the first to bite on this one even though I don't disagree with the stoppage, but as a referee, shouldn't you give castillo a little bit of credit as a warrior, seeing if he would at least go down? I mean, when corrales had him on the ropes right after he got up the second time, the ref was looking to jump in it seemed like. I dunno, what do you say?
Refs look at the eyes to see if it's rolling back. If they do and the ropes are holding him up, he'll stop the fight.
The thing is, if he had not been on the ropes, he would have gone down and taken less leather and possibly recuperated and fight on. Irony.
when a fighter is on the ropes and in trrouble a ref has a golden opportunity to prolong a fight via 8 count and in this war an 8 count would have been the prefect thing to do...8 count Mr. Weeks a ****ing 8 count!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
bullmother****ing****....
Castillo desreved the benefit..against the ropes he could have been given an 8 count...imagine Gatti v Ward stopped prematurely after Gatti appeared thru after the bnody shots...
Imagine the next round after both had been left for dead...Castillo deserved the chance to continue...
This was a ****ing great fight that has let me upset and speachless...what can I say..Castillo after the effort he put forth deserved the chance too continue...m,an this was so bitter sweet...forgive me Im a bit drunk but Im a pissed off mother ****er right now...this would have been a legendary finsish on top of a legendary fight...****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was thinking about the standing 8 also and I dont know how it is all the way but I think either some sanctioning bodies or some states dont have it and this may have been the case in this fight. The ref may couldnt call one
Soldier01 05-07-2005, 11:49 PM bullmother****ing****....
Castillo desreved the benefit..against the ropes he could have been given an 8 count...imagine Gatti v Ward stopped prematurely after Gatti appeared thru after the bnody shots...
Imagine the next round after both had been left for dead...Castillo deserved the chance to continue...
This was a ****ing great fight that has let me upset and speachless...what can I say..Castillo after the effort he put forth deserved the chance too continue...m,an this was so bitter sweet...forgive me Im a bit drunk but Im a pissed off mother ****er right now...this would have been a legendary finsish on top of a legendary fight...****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's probably why you're ****ing pissed off but, You have to understand that Castillo didn't take a knee and came back up like Corrales did. He stayed on the ropes and looked like a rag doll being abused, The ref had no choice but to stop the fight. GOOD MO'FO Call. Deserves a rematch because both fighters fought hard. One or 2 or maybe punches determined the fight.
SnoopySmurf 05-07-2005, 11:49 PM when a fighter is on the ropes and in trrouble a ref has a golden opportunity to prolong a fight via 8 count and in this war an 8 count would have been the prefect thing to do...8 count Mr. Weeks a ****ing 8 count!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Was there a standing 8 count rule in effect in this fight? If not, you hit the canvas to get an 8 count.
bonafuwa 05-07-2005, 11:49 PM Good stoppage!! Could have been another Griffin-Paret if Weeks didn't jump in when he did. Castillo looked like a bobble head for like 3 seconds there.
legend 05-07-2005, 11:50 PM when a fighter is on the ropes and in trrouble a ref has a golden opportunity to prolong a fight via 8 count and in this war an 8 count would have been the prefect thing to do...8 count Mr. Weeks a ****ing 8 count!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I see your point but Chico was going to keep hitting him. If you really gave a ****, you would think it was a good stoppage. What Chico was doing to that poor guy was way worse than the 2 knockdowns that Chico had.
mic573 05-07-2005, 11:51 PM You can't really argue the stoppage because Castillo looked in a bad spot. I think the fight should of been stopped after the second Corrales knockdown. Corrales looked hurt and was even taking more shots along the ropes before landing the big lefthook. Corrales gain even more respect from me but lost a little because of the bs mouthpiece spitting.
Konstantin 05-07-2005, 11:52 PM Only 2 other people have read my thread so ill repost it in here:
Heres my opinion on this stoppage. Chico went down the firt time and just looked like he crumpled but he went down and had 10 seconds to revive himself. He then went down again and spit out his mouthpeice for the second time. Steele deducted a point and the fight continued. Now Corrales came back. He had Castillo on the ropes and was pounding away. What was happening to Castillo? His pride kept him up. He so out of the fight that his hands were down by his waist. Weeks jumped in to save him. The reason he did this was because if the ropes had kept him up Corrales, who is a big puncher, would have a field day landing punches on him and giving him brain damage. Now if Castillo had gone down I think Weeks would have given him the same 10 count that Chico got.
awdsawds 05-07-2005, 11:54 PM Good or Bad stoppage in doesn't matter that was clearly in the top 20 of all time fights
marvdave 05-07-2005, 11:58 PM I predicted a Castillo victory and was rooting for him. Corrales did the smart thing with the mouthpiece. He survived. Tony Weeks did an outstanding job. The fight was refereed perfectly. When a fighters hands go down and his head is doing what Castillo's was against the ropes, one more shot could kill him. As it is now, both guys deserve respect and applause, and now we can look forward to a rematch. Anyone who thinks the fight was stopped too soon needs to watch the replay. Either way, no shame for either guy.
GREAT FIGHT!!!!
shemmue 05-07-2005, 11:58 PM great fight and a good stopage the only reason he was still up was because the ropes.. the ref has a split second to make that kind of a decision to stop a fight it could mean life or death for the fighter castillo was out on his feet one of the last shots that chico hit him that snaped castillo's head back you could see his eyes were rolling to the top of his head ....castillo knows he was out on his feet so did his corner that is why they did not complain RIGHT after the stopage .. he did mention it in the interview with jim gray that he should of been given the opportunity to continue but that i think is because his pride is a bit hurt ... fight of the year winner and i have it recorded thank god for DVR!!!!!.
Soldier01 05-08-2005, 12:01 AM great fight and a good stopage the only reason he was still up was because the ropes.. the ref has a split second to make that kind of a decision to stop a fight it could mean life or death for the fighter castillo was out on his feet one of the last shots that chico hit him that snaped castillo's head back you could see his eyes were rolling to the top of his head ....castillo knows he was out on his feet so did his corner that is why they did not complain RIGHT after the stopage .. he did mention it in the interview with jim gray that he should of been given the opportunity to continue but that i think is because his pride is a bit hurt ... fight of the year winner and i have it recorded thank god for DVR!!!!!.
Yo, I didn't get home in time to start my machine up...How much are you willing to charge for a copy of that fight...Hit me with a PM.
Don't get ridiculous.
archiemoore 05-08-2005, 12:02 AM if there was a standind 8 in the rules of the state ref should have given 8 count if not no choice but stop it castillo was in bad position & for the most part out if u say anything else you dont mind watching a man turned in to a vegetable or die for your entertainment & add fuel to those who would ban sport
Only 2 other people have read my thread so ill repost it in here:
Heres my opinion on this stoppage. Chico went down the firt time and just looked like he crumpled but he went down and had 10 seconds to revive himself. He then went down again and spit out his mouthpeice for the second time. Steele deducted a point and the fight continued. Now Corrales came back. He had Castillo on the ropes and was pounding away. What was happening to Castillo? His pride kept him up. He so out of the fight that his hands were down by his waist. Weeks jumped in to save him. The reason he did this was because if the ropes had kept him up Corrales, who is a big puncher, would have a field day landing punches on him and giving him brain damage. Now if Castillo had gone down I think Weeks would have given him the same 10 count that Chico got.
I{ agree had he gone down that Weeks would have given him the proper coutn but i also think that in a fight with these type of styles that you have to pbe prepared for the "out of the norm situation"....which would have been to let the mexican finish the fight out on his ass...
Does anyone think that if Castillo would have been allowed to continue he would have no chnace at winning the fight??????To me that is the main reason why you stop a fight...Cadtillo had 8 mor lifes left and yes he was hurt but if you ever want to see a great great great fight the ref is going to have to let things go longer than a JAy Nady would and considering the circumstances I can'ty think of a fight or matvchup that I would rather be stopped late then a bit premature!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just like in bad news bears....LET THEM PLAY!!!!!!!!!
SnoopySmurf 05-08-2005, 12:05 AM Yep. Ref was outstanding. He let them do their vicious inside fighting and didn't break things up until they got really tangled up.
marvdave 05-08-2005, 12:06 AM I{ agree had he gone down that Weeks would have given him the proper coutn but i also think that in a fight with these type of styles that you have to pbe prepared for the "out of the norm situation"....which would have been to let the mexican finish the fight out on his ass...
Does anyone think that if Castillo would have been allowed to continue he would have no chnace at winning the fight??????To me that is the main reason why you stop a fight...Cadtillo had 8 mor lifes left and yes he was hurt but if you ever want to see a great great great fight the ref is going to have to let things go longer than a JAy Nady would and considering the circumstances I can'ty think of a fight or matvchup that I would rather be stopped late then a bit premature!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just like in bad news bears....LET THEM PLAY!!!!!!!!!
Tanner wasn't in danger of being killed :D good stoppage..look at the replay again. See Castillo's head snap back and his eyes. He would have been hurt badly. At least now he live to fight another day.
vizcaya 05-08-2005, 12:13 AM Excellent fight. Good stoppage !. I was watching in HD, and I could see Castillo's eyes roll back, he was really hurt. Weeks did the right thing. I was going for Castillo, but do not want to see him seriously hurt.
Remember when Trinidad Fought Yory Boy Campas? Yory boy had a chin, and did not go down, but Trinidad Landed that shot on the ropes, and once Campas head snapped up in the air, it was over.
Castillo has one of the best chins in boxing, Chico has a hell of a left hook.
My 2 fights of the year canidates are:
Castillo vs. Corrales
Arce vs. Hussein
Vizcaya
masterdirector 05-08-2005, 12:17 AM I definitely disagree with that stoppage. It looked fixed. Wouldn't surprise me, as Chico is one of the biggest scams in boxing.
SnoopySmurf 05-08-2005, 12:19 AM I definitely disagree with that stoppage. It looked fixed. Wouldn't surprise me, as Chico is one of the biggest scams in boxing.
I couldn't help but laugh at this coz it sounded like your avatar was saying it! :D
Soldier01 05-08-2005, 12:21 AM I definitely disagree with that stoppage. It looked fixed. Wouldn't surprise me, as Chico is one of the biggest scams in boxing.
You obviously can't be serious. Unless you like fighters to get brain damage in the ring. The ref was on point tonight.
onetwopunch 05-08-2005, 12:26 AM Good stopage, The ropes were holding him up, If he would of droped he would of gotten up and received more unescesary punishment, Castillo will be back, I would love to see a re-match
Zab Super Judah 05-08-2005, 12:29 AM http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050508/capt.nvab12405080411.corrales_castillo_nvab124.jpg
definitely out on his feet
But I would definitely have to say it was cool to see Corrales perform the way he did. That guy can fight, and that was news to me. After getting knocked down twice.....then stopping JLC.
He yelled "What??????" at the crowd.....and that was fuking pimp.
abdiel2k3 05-08-2005, 12:35 AM def not
my dad was irrate
but the way i see
as a mexican fan
he finally got a taste of what meldrikc fans had been screamin about
he was being hurt
not just in the final round
chico was constantly stunning him
great fight by chico and castillo
def fight of the year
come back of the year
hey ****face, it ain't no premature stoppage, ur boy was out like a mofo, bwahahahaha!
no ****? re-read my fukin post
i said chico def one
so whos da fuk face now **** for brains?
SuckaPunch 05-08-2005, 12:36 AM no ****? re-read my fukin post
i said chico def one
so whos da fuk face now **** for brains?
ur still the ****face. any surgeon couldn't fix that monkey face.
Bozo_no no 05-08-2005, 12:38 AM <body>
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I feel for Castillo when he says he wasn't given the two chances Chico got, but
in the end, Castillo's chin was what resulted in him getting stopped.<br>
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Castillo dropped Corrales with two crisp devastating shots, but in both cases
Corrales went down from the single shot, took a knee until nine (didn't make the
Judah mistake) and showed that he learned a trick from Frietas with the mouth
piece delay.<br>
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He got up, and with a display of heart and will that rivals any other display
ever, he pummeled Castillo into the ropes.<br>
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Castillo is so tough, and has such chin, that the shots Chico was landing didn't
drop him.<br>
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This resulted in him eating at least 4 or 5 consecutive blows comparable to the
single shots he labeled Corrales with, but all in a row.<br>
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Castillo was out on his feet, and if the fight hadn't been stopped, because he
wouldn't go down, he was going to get hit with shots that would but his long
term health at risk.<br>
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His own chin was what caused that stoppage. Had he gone down from the 1st shot
or so, he may have survived.<br>
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He was done, and the stoppage was just, making one of the most dramatic wins in
one of the greatest fights in a long time.<br>
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Bravo to both fighters.</p>
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Ricomania77 05-08-2005, 12:59 AM does anyone know what the official scorecards at the time of the stoppage?
SuckaPunch 05-08-2005, 01:01 AM does anyone know what the official scorecards at the time of the stoppage?
Not including the 10th Round:
Two judges had Corrales ahead by 2 points.
One judge had Castillo ahead by 1 point.
SnoopySmurf 05-08-2005, 01:01 AM does anyone know what the official scorecards at the time of the stoppage?
I'm gonna guess it was 87-85 Castillo. :D
Alpha Male 05-08-2005, 01:03 AM does anyone know what the official scorecards at the time of the stoppage?
87-84 Corrales
87-84 Corrales
86-85 Castillo
Konstantin 05-08-2005, 01:04 AM Scores were SD in favor of Corrales but it wasnt the final round.
nelsoncm 05-08-2005, 01:05 AM Leading Candidate for FIGHT OF THE YEAR!!!!
Premature Stoppage? No
Rematch? Yes!!!
I can only sigh at Marquez vs. Polo. No wonder Marquez would never gain the respect these two fighters gained.
legend 05-08-2005, 01:08 AM What most Castillo fans are failing to comprehend is that Castillo also had tons of time to rest, just like Chico. All I can do is laugh, have a beer, and ****in laugh some more.
`STEELHEAD 05-08-2005, 02:02 AM castillo was rocked bigtime a number of times during the fight. hell he looked like a limp scarecrow being held up by the ropes.his jaw looked busted up to me. if it werent for the ropes he would have been on his ass. if he would have taken a knee he would of gotten back up and done a zab chicken dance.fair call by ref. castillo's a great fighter but one dimentional. let him go out and get another belt to make it worthwhile for corrales to beat him again. wouldnt it be nice if mayweather gets his squackbox hurt during training then has to cancel gatti. then he decides a rematch corrales. with a gatti/castillo undercard.
if it werent for the ropes he would have been on his ass. if he would have taken a knee he would of gotten back up and done a zab chicken dance. castillo's a great fighter but one dimentional. let him go out and get another belt to make it worthwhile for corrales to beat him again. .
Shut up dickweed. You dont know how stupid you sound typing all of that nonsense.
realheavyhands 05-08-2005, 02:33 AM castillo's legs was wobbly for two rounds..he wasnt gone get up if the ref let 2 more shots land and could have been ruined..he shoyld thank weeks for a good stoppage
SuckaPunch 05-08-2005, 02:38 AM castillo's legs was wobbly for two rounds..he wasnt gone get up if the ref let 2 more shots land and could have been ruined..he shoyld thank weeks for a good stoppage
Very true, Castillo fans should've been thankful to the ref for saving his career. This loss won't ruin his moving up to 140. I would love for him to mix it up with the fighters in the best division right now (140).
S0UTHPAW 05-08-2005, 02:39 AM I thought equally of both fighters coming into this fight.I favor neither fighter. That stoppage ruined that great fight for me. Everyone can have their own opinion and I am not looking to argue with anyone, but that tarnished what these two warriors just did. The greatest fight of all time will never be one stopped by a ref like that.
Bozo_no no 05-08-2005, 02:41 AM I thought equally of both fighters coming into this fight.I favor neither fighter. That stoppage ruined that great fight for me. Everyone can have their own opinion and I am not looking to argue with anyone, but that tarnished what these two warriors just did. The greatest fight of all time will never be one stopped by a ref like that.
Castillo's eyes rolled back into his head, he ate another shot, and his eyes closed.
Had the ref not jumped in, he could have been SERIOUSLY hurt.
Nothing wrong with the stoppage in the least.
vB Martin 05-08-2005, 02:43 AM Corrales gain even more respect from me but lost a little because of the bs mouthpiece spitting.
He learned that in his last fight...
Seriously, I don't think that he was doing this for the same reason that Popo did. Popo was clearly trying to buy time. He would spit the mouthpiece and walk away from it. Corrales was spitting it out, but he stayed right by it and didn't dawdle in getting it back in and getting back to the business of fighting.
If you watch again, about the middle of round 9, Corrales started to blow hard through his nose. I think, honestly, he was just trying to breath. Castillo was doing a helluva number planting rights on his nose.
As to the stoppage, I think was a good stoppage. Corralles was stunned both time he went down, but Castillo was hurt, and hurt bad. He wasn't returning fire, his hands we dropping and he was being beaten along the ropes. I think, if he had been able, he would have gone down, but he was hung up in the ropes and Corrales stayed in front of him. There was no way that he could have fallen had he wanted to.
All in all, I have to say that the fight was one of the best I have ever seen. The 10th rd goes right up there with Rd 9 in Ward-Gatti I. Just ****ing incredible.
The scorecards there are only through the 9th rd. Had the fight not been stopped in the 10th, the scores would have been MD for Castillo at the end of that rd because it would have been scored 9-6 Castillo had he taken a knee and been able to finish the rd.
And it was:
87-84 Corrales
87-84 Castillo
86-85 Corrales
Not the way Alpha had it.
Just a great fight. I would love to see the rematch.
Tha Greatest 05-08-2005, 02:43 AM Castillo's eyes rolled back into his head, he ate another shot, and his eyes closed.
Had the ref not jumped in, he could have been SERIOUSLY hurt.
Nothing wrong with the stoppage in the least.
Ya, if he never stopped it, he might have ended up like Meldrick Taylor...
S0UTHPAW 05-08-2005, 02:45 AM Castillo's eyes rolled back into his head, he ate another shot, and his eyes closed.
Had the ref not jumped in, he could have been SERIOUSLY hurt.
Nothing wrong with the stoppage in the least.
Same could be said for getting knocked down for the second time in the same round and spitting out your mouth peice on purpose. He really could have been hurt getting back up after that, but that did not stop the ref from giving him the benifit of the doubt did it :)
vB Martin 05-08-2005, 02:45 AM As to my scorecard, I had 3 even, 3 each through 9. Those rounds were so ****ing hard to score.
Bozo_no no 05-08-2005, 02:49 AM Same could be said for getting knocked down for the second time in the same round and spitting out your mouth peice on purpose. He really could have been hurt getting back up after that, but that did not stop the ref from giving him the benifit of the doubt did it :)
Corrales showed restraint and clear thinking in getting to a knee on the 2nd knock down.
If Castillo had been able to continue hitting Corrales while he lay on the ground collecting himself, you may have a valid point.
Castillo was out, and again, if the ref hadn't stepped in, one of the hardest punchers in the sport would have kept raining blows on a guy who was already out on his feet, putting his health at serious risk.
What's the alternative? You would have like to have seen the ref wait, and Corrales punch Castillo unconsious?
S0UTHPAW 05-08-2005, 03:01 AM Corrales showed restraint and clear thinking in getting to a knee on the 2nd knock down.
If Castillo had been able to continue hitting Corrales while he lay on the ground collecting himself, you may have a valid point.
Castillo was out, and again, if the ref hadn't stepped in, one of the hardest punchers in the sport would have kept raining blows on a guy who was already out on his feet, putting his health at serious risk.
What's the alternative? You would have like to have seen the ref wait, and Corrales punch Castillo unconsious?
I see your point and I respect that. I feel that taking everything into account for both these fighters, Castillo deserved the benifit of the doubt at that time. A few more second he could of very well gone down and had 10 seconds to regain himself. Could he of been hurt, yes. Could Corrales been hurt after the second knock down, yes. Corrales was easily getting hit that last round but was aloud to get himself back in the fight, Castillo deserved that chance too.
scottydottie 05-08-2005, 03:09 AM I Agree With You Man!!!! Those Were The Two Fights I Had In Mind!! Two Great Comeback Fights!
JOrge arce vs. hussy hussein
castillo vs. corrales
xKillingJokex 05-08-2005, 03:11 AM definately a great fight, much props to Corrales and Castillo. Really looking forward to a rematch, if there is one
FistoftheDallasStar 05-08-2005, 03:12 AM As for the stoppage it could have been an 8 count but that is being nit picky. It was definately fight of the year so far and can't wait for the rematch. One hell of a fight. Props to both warriors.
czars_salad 05-08-2005, 04:55 AM As to my scorecard, I had 3 even, 3 each through 9. Those rounds were so ****ing hard to score.
but a delight to watch ;)
deuce_drop 05-08-2005, 05:42 AM Not a premature stoppage. Corrales clearly had Castillo out on his feet. If the ref would've wait a few seconds longer, Castillo would've been knocked through the ropes.
exactly, his hands were down and he wasn't defending himself. a guy like corrales even after a ten round war could easily knock your head off. i think the stoppage was justified.... probably the best come from behind win i've ever seen in boxing. next to eubanks ko'ing a guy right after the boxer floored him, eubanks ko'd him with the very next punch to end the fight. but this win puts corrales at the true warrior status, this fight made him a great in my eyes..........hall of fame type stuff!!!!
The Troll 05-08-2005, 05:45 AM Castillo really looked like he was gone, but maybe it would have bettter if the ref let him get hit one more time and let Castillo fall down and get a chance to recover. Definitely I would have rather seen an 8 count in that situtation optimally. I dont know if they have the 8 count in Nevada though which is kinda ridiculous.
!! Mr. Soprano 05-08-2005, 06:03 AM Does anyone know if there is gonna be a re-run of the fight? Missed the original :-(
The Troll 05-08-2005, 06:04 AM Does anyone know if there is gonna be a re-run of the fight? Missed the original :-(
Showtime will probably put on in the on demand section by monday. Then you can watch it any time you want, and press stop, pause, fast forward, rewind etc..
AintGottaClue 05-08-2005, 08:01 AM i thought there is no standing 8 count in title fights? standing 8 counts are bad anyway, if someone is getting there ass kicked u dont jump in and save them there should only be counting if he hits the floor
AIR_KENG 05-08-2005, 08:45 AM well what can i say??? it is the first time i watched castillo and corrales fight and i got what every boxing fan wanted to see: an all out war!!! by far this is the second best fight i have seen behind gatti-ward 1. stoppage was not premature, it was just perfect timing. it was obvious that castillo put his hands down on that fury by chico and it seemed like he was not going to recover... damn!!! if there is another thread that will ask me who has the biggest heart, i'll have chico at the top of my list...
-GBGQ- 05-08-2005, 08:55 AM Same could be said for getting knocked down for the second time in the same round and spitting out your mouth peice on purpose. He really could have been hurt getting back up after that, but that did not stop the ref from giving him the benifit of the doubt did it :)
Weeks was watching Corrales very, very closely. After both knockdowns he looked him dead in the eye and asked if he wanted to continue. Corrales very clearly stated that he could. It was Chico's clear headidness that allowed Weeks to let him continue. He took shots, fell, but got up still very much comprehending what was going on.
Castillo on the other hand was clearly out on his feet and in much more serious damgage than Corrales despite the two knockdowns.
I was in complete awe for 10 rounds and I remember thinking that when Corrales went down for the second time that it was such an awesome fight the only way it could raise the drama was if Corrales caught Castillo and reversed the outcome. And sure enough, in a fight where we couldn't ask for anything more it happens.
No matter who you wanted to win both fighters did something very special for us boxing fans last night. I couldn't be more proud to have witnessed a fight that, when the time comes, I will tell my kids about.
olympic boy 05-08-2005, 10:21 AM damn if you do damn if you dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :boxing:
Duncan 05-08-2005, 10:58 AM learn to read.
Frankly no i dont think the stoppage was premature for a regular fight he was out on his feet, With so much riding on the line however i think castillo would have preferred the ref to let him go down cus its gonna be tough to get a second chance after busting chico's face up like that. Plus maybe he could have spit the mouthpiece out like chico and got like 3 8 counts worth of time to recover.
Yeah, Castillo's only fault in it was that he didn't spit out his mouthpiece illegally to get more time. What a dummy (insert sarcasm).
Duncan 05-08-2005, 11:04 AM bullmother****ing****....
Castillo desreved the benefit..against the ropes he could have been given an 8 count...imagine Gatti v Ward stopped prematurely after Gatti appeared thru after the bnody shots...
Imagine the next round after both had been left for dead...Castillo deserved the chance to continue...
This was a ****ing great fight that has let me upset and speachless...what can I say..Castillo after the effort he put forth deserved the chance too continue...m,an this was so bitter sweet...forgive me Im a bit drunk but Im a pissed off mother ****er right now...this would have been a legendary finsish on top of a legendary fight...****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I absolutely agree with your comments. Give him the chance. This wasn't a 6 round preliminary bout- this was fought at the highest level. Plus, he decided not to spit out his mouthpiece illegally to buy more time like Corrales did.
Bad stoppage by Weeks. I cannot remember if there was the option for a standing eight count in this fight, but that would have been a good time for it- Weeks could have given Castillo eight seconds after Corrales got almost 40 to recover when spitting out his mouthpiece.
SuckaPunch 05-08-2005, 11:04 AM Corrales never lost his mental composure despite the two knockdowns, WOW!
Duncan 05-08-2005, 11:06 AM That's probably why you're ****ing pissed off but, You have to understand that Castillo didn't take a knee and came back up like Corrales did. He stayed on the ropes and looked like a rag doll being abused, The ref had no choice but to stop the fight. GOOD MO'FO Call. Deserves a rematch because both fighters fought hard. One or 2 or maybe punches determined the fight.
Um.. Corrales NEVER "took a knee"....he got knocked on his ass twice...
The Troll 05-08-2005, 11:07 AM Um.. Corrales NEVER "took a knee"....he got knocked on his ass twice...
He got up properly from the knockdowns, that is what your supposed to do. Get up to a knee, look at the referee and stand up at the count of 8.
MetalVomit 05-08-2005, 11:08 AM hey ****face, it ain't no premature stoppage, ur boy was out like a mofo, bwahahahaha!
Wow, nice analyization pacman nuthugger. The stoppage was not premature just like abdiel said.
SuckaPunch 05-08-2005, 11:14 AM Wow, nice analyization pacman nuthugger. The stoppage was not premature just like abdiel said.
Did you read the posts after that? Before you suck his ****, go read the other posts first.
MetalVomit 05-08-2005, 01:11 PM Did you read the posts after that? Before you suck his ****, go read the other posts first.
LOL, bad karma again! wow, whatever bro, you should drink a glass of milk, maybe relax a little bit.
`STEELHEAD 05-08-2005, 02:03 PM Shut up dickweed. You dont know how stupid you sound typing all of that nonsense.
the truth hurts dont it butthead. ha ha ha......
{BrownBomber} 05-08-2005, 02:06 PM The thing that gets me the most is that chico was ready to quit like 2 rounds before the stoppage. He lost my respect because of the wussy tactics of spiting the mouth piece out only manny does that. This is foty no doubt, imediate rematch please and taking Castillo again. :boxing:
Alpha Male 05-08-2005, 02:18 PM The thing that gets me the most is that chico was ready to quit like 2 rounds before the stoppage. He lost my respect because of the wussy tactics of spiting the mouth piece out only manny does that. This is foty no doubt, imediate rematch please and taking Castillo again. :boxing:
I agree, that was a *****-move. If he hadn't spit out his mouthpiece both times, he would've been KTFO. Not to take anything from Chico, that was a great comeback.
abdiel2k3 05-08-2005, 02:20 PM it was kinda a ***** move
but he did what he had to do
and i luv how some people were sayin hes lucky he didnt get DQd for that ****
when a round earlier Castillo was flirten with a DQ with all them lowblows
not to mention all the ones weeks didnt see
ejk22 05-08-2005, 02:24 PM Castillo's head ****ing snapped back, that right there has always been a sign to the ref that the fighter maybe out on their feet, smart move by the ref to stop the fight. The ref is told that if a fighter seems defenseless he needs to make a judgement call on whether or not to step in and that's what he did, I applaud the ref for it.
Fight of the year without a doubt.
NiGe2011 05-08-2005, 02:29 PM Exactly, Corrales did what he had to do to win. That is the most important part is getting the 'W' if you are a fighter. It was illegal and the referee took a point, that is exactly what he is supposed to do-- and he rushed Diego in the corner, also what he is supposed to do. When Freitas pulled that same trick against Corrales he got alot more time, did it three times before he was penalized, got out of the round each time, and still got knocked out! So give Diego some credit here, he did gain fifteen extra seconds or so yes, but even then there is no way that he should be KO'ing Castillo moments later.
Zab Super Judah 05-08-2005, 02:30 PM castillo's got some real fast recovery time when hes hurt..but that time he really got rocked and his hands went down maybe one more punch would ahve dropped him to the mat but theres no arguing with the stoppage..they left alot in the ring already
Duncan 05-08-2005, 03:00 PM Leading Candidate for FIGHT OF THE YEAR!!!!
Premature Stoppage? No
Rematch? Yes!!!
I can only sigh at Marquez vs. Polo. No wonder Marquez would never gain the respect these two fighters gained.
Marquez is a limp weiner compared to these guys...
Duncan 05-08-2005, 03:07 PM well what can i say??? it is the first time i watched castillo and corrales fight and i got what every boxing fan wanted to see: an all out war!!! by far this is the second best fight i have seen behind gatti-ward 1. stoppage was not premature, it was just perfect timing. it was obvious that castillo put his hands down on that fury by chico and it seemed like he was not going to recover... damn!!! if there is another thread that will ask me who has the biggest heart, i'll have chico at the top of my list...
If you thought Chico unleased fury on Castillo, you ought to see what he can do to his pregnant wife...he's a freaking wifebeater(sorry, just had to say it).
S0UTHPAW 05-08-2005, 04:37 PM Well I am big enough to admit when I am wrong. Watch the fight again and the stoppage looked legit. With such a crazy fight it is very easy to get emotionaly envolved in its outcome.
Much respect for both great warriors.
emory22 05-08-2005, 06:34 PM if the guy is getttin his ass kicked then no its not
Sweat 05-08-2005, 06:43 PM The thing that gets me the most is that chico was ready to quit like 2 rounds before the stoppage. He lost my respect because of the wussy tactics of spiting the mouth piece out only manny does that. This is foty no doubt, imediate rematch please and taking Castillo again. :boxing:
U meant Acelino Freitas..... :rolleyes:
nezahualcoyotl 05-08-2005, 06:43 PM I saw the main events entourage consisting of: Winky, Toney & Mosley. We'll see if Winky makes it a clean sweep against TITO.
Corrales was probably taking steriods. Wasn't Mosley linked to BALCO? BALCO was the steriod company that helped Bonds, Giambi & Sheffield?
Even Jim Gray said how did you come back after those two knockdowns and kick the shyt outta Castillo? Maybe BALCO helped hehe...I love these fights. ****! I missed it too! Goddam showtime wants to charge all kinds of money to subscribe. I hope Corrales fights Mayweather again, I want to see Mayweather get his ass kicked. Corrales would definitely beat up Mayweather with BALCO.
EOM.
AintGottaClue 05-08-2005, 06:45 PM according to the WBC rules the standing 8 count has not to be aloud in the fight. ref couldnt give one if he wanted, just found that out :)
Zab Super Judah 05-08-2005, 06:47 PM The thing that gets me the most is that chico was ready to quit like 2 rounds before the stoppage. He lost my respect because of the wussy tactics of spiting the mouth piece out only manny does that. This is foty no doubt, imediate rematch please and taking Castillo again. :boxing:
nah chico was discouraged and loook tired cause he hit castillo with everything he got and he wasnt use to anyone stnading right in front of him...although him spitting out the mouthpiece was kind of shady..he did what he had to do...castillo shouldn't have got careless..I'm more pissed that castillo was careless when he had corrales hurt
archiemoore 05-10-2005, 09:27 PM yep if allowed 2 continue it would have been a great great great fight ike uhhhh griffin Peret R.I.P. being sarcastic you cant be serious either
archiemoore 05-10-2005, 09:33 PM yes he likes seeing fighter get brain damage i will excuse you if are a former boxer & took too many blows other wise you cant be serious
archiemoore 05-10-2005, 09:46 PM if you poll fans it would be 50 to 1 for stoppage you are 1 im with the 50 and i would not try to argue agaist 50 either
archiemoore 05-10-2005, 09:51 PM corrales was not agaist the ropes hands down & getting getting hit repeatedly
archiemoore 05-10-2005, 09:55 PM i just saw tape again there was no standind 8 ref did not have that option
Super_Lightweight 05-10-2005, 09:57 PM The stoppage was premature ina way because Weeks started to jump in before Castillo was ****ed up. Watch the replay. He begins to jump over to stop the fight cearly before he needed to...Corrales just happened to land that "eyes roll back" punch after Weeks began to step in.
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