View Full Version : Did The Steroid Scandal Lower Shane Mosley's Legacy And How He Will Be Remembered?


Southpaw16BF
01-26-2010, 10:03 PM
How much of a impact do you feel the steroid scandal has on Shane Mosley's legacy and ATG rankings in lists?

Discuss!

Method Checker
01-26-2010, 10:14 PM
In my opinion, it doesn't lower his legacy that much. DLH was robbed, in their second fight, anyways, so I consider that a loss for Mosley. He also lost to Wright twice, afterwards.

Some people will probably question the legitimacy of his other wins, though.

Method Checker
01-26-2010, 10:14 PM
In my opinion, it doesn't lower his legacy that much. DLH was robbed, in their second fight, anyways, so I consider that a loss for Mosley. He also lost to Wright twice, afterwards.

Some people will probably question the legitimacy of his other wins, though.

WhoreUs!
01-26-2010, 10:21 PM
it's in Shane's past and he's redeemed himself
nobody gives a **** about the roid thing
oh, except the Floydstans of course
and they didn't care about it until last summer either
Shane is still an ATG fighter
he has enough names on his resume and titles to his credit
he'll be seen as great when he's retired
people actually praise him more than bash him for the Wright and Forrest losses

Obama
01-26-2010, 10:41 PM
Didn't look like the juice did Mosley any good. Helped him unnaturally get to 154, only problem was once he got there he fought ATGs in the division who were still prime, not faded forces. Thus he lost or should have lost his 3 most important fights.

So, I'd say the roids do hurt his legacy, but not because he used them, simply because they made him take fights he wouldn't have taken otherwise, adding unneeded losses to his record.

Ziggy Stardust
01-26-2010, 11:00 PM
Didn't look like the juice did Mosley any good. Helped him unnaturally get to 154, only problem was once he got there he fought ATGs in the division who were still prime, not faded forces. Thus he lost or should have lost his 3 most important fights.

So, I'd say the roids do hurt his legacy, but not because he used them, simply because they made him take fights he wouldn't have taken otherwise, adding unneeded losses to his record.

I suspect the taint of being labled a user will harm his legacy regardless of whether he got any real benefit from them or not. In these things perception in the eyes of the fans tends to overrule reality unfortunately.

Poet

Obama
01-26-2010, 11:16 PM
Luckily for Mosley he took a lie detector test and passed when questioned on his knowledge of the illegal drugs. Now he definitely knew he was on something, people just don't get big like that not taking anything...but there are legal ways to do it, and I reckon he just didn't ask any questions.

Ziggy Stardust
01-26-2010, 11:20 PM
Luckily for Mosley he took a lie detector test and passed when questioned on his knowledge of the illegal drugs. Now he definitely knew he was on something, people just don't get big like that not taking anything...but there are legal ways to do it, and I reckon he just didn't ask any questions.

But will that matter in the eyes of the fans? You and I can make the distinction on an intellectual level but your typical fan sees things more from emotion than from reason.

Poet

DeepSleep
01-27-2010, 01:31 AM
I think the steroid use isn’t the main problem I have with Mosley as I think what Obama posted is fairly on spot about the steroids. I think his admitted use of EPO is what really hurts his legacy. In 2008 he admitted to injecting EPO and to knowing what it was and it’s effects. He admitted to using it in his rematch against Oscar De La Hoya. EPO is a hormone that promotes red blood cell growth and can give it’s user a large boost in endurance, something that Shane Mosley used to great effect in winning the later rounds against Oscar in 2003. I think the EPO use greatly tarnishes his standing amongst his peers.

Alfa-Q
01-27-2010, 01:35 AM
Obama smoked pot and became the president of America.
http://trollydolly.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/smoking-pot.jpg
where have you been living, in a cave?

Silencers
01-27-2010, 04:39 AM
I think he's still a first ballot HOFer but it does raise questions about his fights before DLH, similar to how it raises questions about Toney's fights in my eyes.

General Zod
01-27-2010, 10:29 AM
Luckily for Mosley he took a lie detector test and passed when questioned on his knowledge of the illegal drugs. Now he definitely knew he was on something, people just don't get big like that not taking anything...but there are legal ways to do it, and I reckon he just didn't ask any questions.

Thereafter, Mosley’s attorney (Judd Burstein) advised the media that Shane’s position was supported by a lie detector test that Shane had passed “with flying colors.” Of course, the lie detector test had been unilaterally arranged for by Burstein.
Mosley knew full well what he was doing and taking.

“Consider these questions,” Rosenthal continued. “Why did Mosley have the supposedly legal substances he purchased from BALCO shipped to him instead of taking them back with him on the plane? Why would he taper off his use of the substances as mandatory drug tests got closer? What would Conte stand to gain by misleading Mosley? Why did Mosley stop taking all the supplements, even the harmless vitamins, after the fight? It adds up to a problem with Mosley’s credibility.”
http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/mayweather-pacquiao-peds-and-boxing

It does harm his legacy because it means he cheated in some of his fights

Obama
01-27-2010, 05:26 PM
I find nothing concrete to call the man a liar from what you quoted. Plenty of reasons could explain why he did what he did.

As for what Conte stood to gain, more clients. Less people are going to use if they know it's illegal.

Mosley's LW and WW career are roids free, and that's where he was great.

donkim
01-28-2010, 04:20 AM
Well,Shane Mosley is a proven cheat and got away scott free.Antonio Margarito never actually did cheat and yet his name and reputation is tarnished forever.



It won't do anything to hurt his legacy as fat yanks love drug cheats.




Luckily for Mosley he took a lie detector test and passed when questioned on his knowledge of the illegal drugs.




Only Jeremy Kyle guest's think that lie detector test's are legit:dunce:.

General Zod
01-29-2010, 07:23 AM
I find nothing concrete to call the man a liar from what you quoted. Plenty of reasons could explain why he did what he did.

As for what Conte stood to gain, more clients. Less people are going to use if they know it's illegal.
If Mosley thought he was taking legal supplements then he would have no reason to discontinue using them, when he knew a mandatory drug test was coming.
Victor Conte had no reason to lie to Mosley, no other athlete caught using his products said he told me that they were legal supplements. In fact it would of been in Conte's interests to tell Mosley what he was taking, so that Mosley wouldn't get caught and also so that Mosley did not misuse the EPO and suffer a heart attack or stroke. I also don't know how Mosley believed that vitamins cost 1000's of pounds.


Mosley's LW and WW career are roids free, and that's where he was great.
Its still a mark on his career