View Full Version : Nigel Benn vs Gerald McClellan fight


General Zod
01-26-2010, 06:17 AM
I'm interested in reading what peoples views here on this fight. Did you like the fight? Did you think it was way to brutal? Did the ref did a bad job etc?

Silencers
01-26-2010, 06:22 AM
The fight was great, the consequences were tragic. Great action in that fight.

I thought the referee did a pretty bad job, he let both guys get away with dirty stuff. A lot was made of Benn's rabbit punching but McClellan was doing it as well in addition to other stuff.

General Zod
01-26-2010, 06:28 AM
The fight was great, the consequences were tragic. Great action in that fight.

I thought the referee did a pretty bad job, he let both guys get away with dirty stuff. A lot was made of Benn's rabbit punching was McClellan was doing it as well in addition to other stuff.
I agree it was a great fight, but with tragic consequences. According to one of McClellan's corner man, McClellan wanted to quit after round 2 he knew something was wrong, but I think it was his trainer thinking about a Roy Jones fight talked him into continuing.Benn did rabbit punch and I think McClellan did on occasion to. The ref did a bad job as well he did give Benn a chance to get back into the fight after round one and never clamped down on all the dirty tactics in the fight. The fight was Benn's biggest win, but it finished him as a fighter and due to the fallout a lot of people just want to forget about it.

John Hue
01-26-2010, 07:11 AM
I remember the fight like it was yesterday. I was watching the fight with a friend I was certain McCellan was going to win it and it was always going to be an explosive bout.My friend wanted Benn to win and we had a private bet. The beating Benn took in round one was unbelievable,I thought he can't continue taking that,how he kept going I don't know.I had a stop watch on me to time any knock down as I expected some dodgy refereeing. When Benn was knocked down and in/ through the ropes I started timing. It was over 10 seconds. As far as I was concerned the fight was over but the ref started timing late and did his level best to help Benn which was the pattern right through the fight. When McCellan started blinking I knew something was wrong and got a bad feeling something was going to happen to him. I felt a lot of anger towards the ref as had he done the job properly the fight would have been over and the tragedy of the brain damage may have been saved. I also felt for Benn as I knew despite winning the consequences of the fight would stay with him for the rest of the fight. Despite the ref helping Benn as much as he could I felt Benn showed amazing courage and fortitude. The beating he took early on was one of the biggest all out attacks I had ever seen and how he kept going I don't know. He took the life line the ref gave him weathered the storm and got back into the fight. Benn earned a huge amount of respect from me and he dug deeper than can be humanly be expected. When the fight was over I knew McCellan was seriously hurt I felt sick and I never felt quite the same about boxing after that. It is a great sport but the potential brain damage it can cause is too high a price for the entertainment. At the end of the fight my friend cancelled our private bet despite winning it, he said Benn really lost the fight and should have been counted out in round one and the ref had distorted the result. That is how I felt about the fight also and that is not taking anything away from Benn he put up a tremendous fight but the ref is a disgrace and has blood on his hands not just McCellan's either I am certain Benn took some brain damage in that fight also .

General Zod
01-26-2010, 07:35 AM
I remember the fight like it was yesterday. I was watching the fight with a friend I was certain McCellan was going to win it and it was always going to be an explosive bout.My friend wanted Benn to win and we had a private bet. The beating Benn took in round one was unbelievable,I thought he can't continue taking that,how he kept going I don't know.I had a stop watch on me to time any knock down as I expected some dodgy refereeing. When Benn was knocked down and in/ through the ropes I started timing. It was over 10 seconds. As far as I was concerned the fight was over but the ref started timing late and did his level best to help Benn which was the pattern right through the fight.
Yeah I remember McClellan going crazy at the ref who was obviously trying to buy Benn more time, I also remember King going crazy at ringside with the ref.


When McCellan started blinking I knew something was wrong and got a bad feeling something was going to happen to him. I felt a lot of anger towards the ref as had he done the job properly the fight would have been over and the tragedy of the brain damage may have been saved.
There are a lot of people to blame for Geralds condition. He had complained after the first Jackson fight that he was having dizzy spells and feeling sick, so I would say that the damage had already started. He himself knew something was wrong but carried on fighting. His trainer also talked him into continuing because the winner of McClellan Benn would fight the winner of Jones Toney. The ref did buy Benn time in the first round, the fact that McClellan was standing in front of Benn with no concern for D also didnt help him.



I also felt for Benn as I knew despite winning the consequences of the fight would stay with him for the rest of the fight. Despite the ref helping Benn as much as he could I felt Benn showed amazing courage and fortitude. The beating he took early on was one of the biggest all out attacks I had ever seen and how he kept going I don't know. He took the life line the ref gave him weathered the storm and got back into the fight. Benn earned a huge amount of respect from me and he dug deeper than can be humanly be expected. When the fight was over I knew McCellan was seriously hurt I felt sick and I never felt quite the same about boxing after that. It is a great sport but the potential brain damage it can cause is too high a price for the entertainment.
I agree with your points, I watched the fight live and I felt sick afterwards, I stopped watching boxing for about 10 years after that fight.

Sugarj
01-26-2010, 10:37 AM
I agree that the fight hurt Benn also. His speach was never quite the same after that fight and he never boxed with that passion or skill again.

It was an amazing fight. It was absolutely compelling viewing watching live. I feel so bad for McClellan now, he didn't deserve his plight. He was a great fighter! At the time, I think his blinking had started in round six and he was pushing out his gum shield. Why his corner didn't notice this and pull him out I dont know! Even the commentators had clocked it.

You would have thought the BB of C would have been extra vigilent after what happened to Michael Watson a couple of years before, it seemed ages before he left the arena.

General Zod
01-26-2010, 10:43 AM
I agree that the fight hurt Benn also. His speach was never quite the same after that fight and he never boxed with that passion or skill again.
Benn ended up with a shadow on his brain, so he was finished as an elite fighter, but he loved the sport to much to walk away after that fight. He wanted to fight Jones after that fight but politics got in the way

It was an amazing fight. It was absolutely compelling viewing watching live. I feel so bad for McClellan now, he didn't deserve his plight. He was a great fighter! At the time, I think his blinking had started in round six and he was pushing out his gum shield. Why his corner didn't notice this and pull him out I dont know! Even the commentators had clocked it.
His team were thinking about a mega payday with the winner of Jones-Toney, so they kept pushing him out there to fight. Just like Riddick Bowe Golota II when Bowes corner should of thrown in the towel but they were thinking about a Tyson fight.

You would have thought the BB of C would have been extra vigilent after what happened to Michael Watson a couple of years before, it seemed ages before he left the arena.
I think they got him to hospital as soon as they could, unlike Watson.

Ive ordered the book: War Baby by Kevin Mitchell ,which goes into a lot of detail about the fight and the background behind it, should be a good read.

project xxx1
01-26-2010, 10:57 AM
great fight and i loved it,i watched it again 6 months ago around my mates house,i really feel for mcclellen and his family big time,a very sad ending indeed.the ref didnt do a good job either,gerald should have won in the 1st round,benn was out for longer than 10 secs and they shouldnt of pushed him back in the ring.benn was never the same fighter again.but what a fight :boxing::boxing:

Sugarj
01-26-2010, 10:59 AM
Thanks Agentsmith, sharp replies there. I have the fight in my collection and it seemed to be a long time before Gerrald was taken from the arena.....granted not as long as poor Watson.

He seemed in alot of trouble, but it had got to Benn's post fight interview before anyone was doing anything. He should have been on a stretcher straight after taking that one knee countout, blinking randomly! Awful!!

General Zod
01-26-2010, 11:12 AM
Thanks Agentsmith, sharp replies there. I have the fight in my collection and it seemed to be a long time before Gerrald was taken from the arena.....granted not as long as poor Watson.

He seemed in alot of trouble, but it had got to Benn's post fight interview before anyone was doing anything. He should have been on a stretcher straight after taking that one knee countout, blinking randomly! Awful!!
No Problemo, when I get around to reading the book I'll post quotes up.

General Zod
01-26-2010, 11:16 AM
great fight and i loved it,i watched it again 6 months ago around my mates house,i really feel for mcclellen and his family big time,a very sad ending indeed.the ref didnt do a good job either,gerald should have won in the 1st round,benn was out for longer than 10 secs and they shouldnt of pushed him back in the ring.benn was never the same fighter again.but what a fight :boxing::boxing:
Yeah it was a great fight, it took me about 10 years to watch it again. Lord knows where they found the ref from he was pretty useless. This fight is also one of the reasons why I don't like hearing boxers say stuff like 'I'm prepared to die in the ring.'. Its a sport, if you think something is wrong then quit, who cares what some armchair critic may say afterwards.

At one point in the fight McClellan says to his team that he feels like the water they are pouring on his head is seeping into his brain, no one at that point had even poured water on his head if that wasn't a warning sign then I don't know what would of been classed as one.

Sugarj
01-26-2010, 11:39 AM
Is that right???!! Shocking.

Gerrald has lost his sight in both eyes and can hear faintly in one ear. Horrific injuries!! If the doctors could have got to that clot earlier he may have recovered much better. Spencer Oliver is testiment to this, he is now as articulate as ever. Granted brain injuries vary between patients, but some sharp actions can save so much.

I look forward to your assessment of that book Agentsmith. Cheers

True Guru
01-26-2010, 12:04 PM
****in amazing fight,Both guys were absolute warriors who wanted to win more than anything.
Its destroyed G-man and took whatever was left of Benn.

General Zod
01-26-2010, 12:08 PM
****in amazing fight,Both guys were absolute warriors who wanted to win more than anything.
Its destroyed G-man and took whatever was left of Benn.
At least Benn has comes to terms with what happened in that fight, I think his religion has played a big part in that.

mickey malone
01-26-2010, 01:30 PM
Horrible conclusion to the fight..

There was bad blood between the 2 all the way, leading up to the fight.. McClellan had vowed to make an example of Benn, and KO him in the 1st round, which very nearly happened.. Benn was beside himself with rage, saying, "Who the fuk does he think he is?, i've got more KO's than he's had fights." It was always going to be a war..
I'd hold the WBC the most responsible for what happened to Gerald.. If he'd been complaining of dizzy spells, then why didn't they have him checked out properly?
My guess would be that Sulaiman wanted to save himself a few bucks..
The referee was also at fault, which is something i'll confess to not noticing at the time, because the action was so fierce.. Looking back on it, he should have at least, had a word with McClellan when the blinking started..
I loved the fight, but like most people, i've only ever seen it the once..

Dynamite Kid
01-26-2010, 01:55 PM
I read that Benn said that he got hit with a left hook to the body and it felt like he had been electrocuted and that if McClellan had hit him there again that he would not have been able to continue. Thats not word for so dont quote me.

I also read an article where Futch questioned the decision to let McClellan fight someone like Benn because his (Benn)style was bound to cause McClellan problems.

Yaman
01-26-2010, 01:58 PM
There's probably not another fight that I hate more. I haven't watch it in its entirity for years, and for good reason. I just keep putting myself in McClellan's state of nightmare at that moment. How would it feel to be fighting not just to win a boxing match, but literally for your life? A man that is fighting against a killer like Benn while a blood cloth in his brain, and nobody knows it and saves him. He's all on his own and is unable to realise that his life will never be the same again.
And that's not where the only drama is either. Apparently Gerald's team was even worse than Tyson's against Buster Douglass. The buffoons couldn't even wrap his hands(Gerald did this himself).
And then you also have the commentary for this fight with that ignorant ******* Pacheco. I don't even need to explain, those that have seen the fight know what I mean.

So yes, the fight was amazing but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth in every way.

Ray*
01-26-2010, 05:15 PM
Too many things went across my mind whenever i remember the fight:

(1) Mcclellan wasnt right coming into the fight, I dont know how or if he pass a medical for this fight.
(2) The fight was over and should have be stopped in the first round by the ref in favour of McClellan
(3) McClellan's corner should have sense something was wrong after he got KD and was blinking.
(4) Don King is a bastard for wanting/shouting at McClellan to get up and continue.
(5) Benn has never been the same again physically and mentally.
(6) The referee..

GJC
01-27-2010, 07:41 PM
You would have thought the BB of C would have been extra vigilent after what happened to Michael Watson a couple of years before, it seemed ages before he left the arena.

Don't know for a fact but maybe the medical people were working on McClellan? Difficult to know but they may have saved his life, whether that was a blessing or not only he and his family can say.

It was a fantastic fight and probably the reason we all watch the sport 2 fighters at their peak both delivering and showing tremendous heart and courage.
It was also a fight that makes boxing difficult to defend against the abolotionists and I can't speak for others but does make me feel ashamed now that I enjoyed every moment of it and yelled my head off when Benn won.

Somebody did me a collection of Benn's fights on DVD and it is the only one I have never watched. :(

General Zod
02-06-2010, 12:37 PM
Is that right???!! Shocking.

Gerrald has lost his sight in both eyes and can hear faintly in one ear. Horrific injuries!! If the doctors could have got to that clot earlier he may have recovered much better. Spencer Oliver is testiment to this, he is now as articulate as ever. Granted brain injuries vary between patients, but some sharp actions can save so much.

I look forward to your assessment of that book Agentsmith. Cheers

The book isnt very good, I didnt really tell me anything new. But what I did find out was that McClellen wanted to quit after the 2nd round, he knew something was wrong but he allowed his team to talk him into continuing. Also he was sick and tired of hitting Benn who just kept coming back, by the 6th he said he wanted to quit and his team told him to, "go out there and die". Which he almost did, I think it was pride, not wanting to be seen as a quitter that kept him fighting. I hate to sound cold but he is was adult and he knew that his actions have consequences.

Also from my understanding his team were a bunch of clowns he knew Donnie because they watched dogfighting together. As for Stanley I think he had a couple of pro fights and spent most of his time on the wrong side of the law. Not exactly the ideal time to have in your corner in a time of crisis.

General Zod
02-06-2010, 12:39 PM
Too many things went across my mind whenever i remember the fight:
(5) Benn has never been the same again physically and mentally.

I also found out that Benn had a shadow on his brain before the McClellan fight

sonnyboyx2
02-06-2010, 02:08 PM
I'm interested in reading what peoples views here on this fight. Did you like the fight? Did you think it was way to brutal? Did the ref did a bad job etc?

i was at the fight..... i am of the opinon that Gerald was "Damaged-Goods" before the fight, Denis Andries had lived over in Detroit for 2yrs training at the Kronk, Andries live at the home of Gerald McClelland, when Gerald came over here to fight Benn he naturely stayed at Denis Andries home.. Denis says that Gerald had been sparring with Heavyweights in the Kronk and was not the same guy he knew, he said that Gerald was physically not right, his head was ****ed...

General Zod
02-07-2010, 08:41 AM
i was at the fight..... i am of the opinon that Gerald was "Damaged-Goods" before the fight, Denis Andries had lived over in Detroit for 2yrs training at the Kronk, Andries live at the home of Gerald McClelland, when Gerald came over here to fight Benn he naturely stayed at Denis Andries home.. Denis says that Gerald had been sparring with Heavyweights in the Kronk and was not the same guy he knew, he said that Gerald was physically not right, his head was ****ed...
Thanks for posting, I heard about that thats insane.

frankenfrank
02-07-2010, 06:10 PM
I remember the fight like it was yesterday. I was watching the fight with a friend I was certain McCellan was going to win it and it was always going to be an explosive bout.My friend wanted Benn to win and we had a private bet. The beating Benn took in round one was unbelievable,I thought he can't continue taking that,how he kept going I don't know.I had a stop watch on me to time any knock down as I expected some dodgy refereeing. When Benn was knocked down and in/ through the ropes I started timing. It was over 10 seconds. As far as I was concerned the fight was over but the ref started timing late and did his level best to help Benn which was the pattern right through the fight. When McCellan started blinking I knew something was wrong and got a bad feeling something was going to happen to him. I felt a lot of anger towards the ref as had he done the job properly the fight would have been over and the tragedy of the brain damage may have been saved. I also felt for Benn as I knew despite winning the consequences of the fight would stay with him for the rest of the fight. Despite the ref helping Benn as much as he could I felt Benn showed amazing courage and fortitude. The beating he took early on was one of the biggest all out attacks I had ever seen and how he kept going I don't know. He took the life line the ref gave him weathered the storm and got back into the fight. Benn earned a huge amount of respect from me and he dug deeper than can be humanly be expected. When the fight was over I knew McCellan was seriously hurt I felt sick and I never felt quite the same about boxing after that. It is a great sport but the potential brain damage it can cause is too high a price for the entertainment. At the end of the fight my friend cancelled our private bet despite winning it, he said Benn really lost the fight and should have been counted out in round one and the ref had distorted the result. That is how I felt about the fight also and that is not taking anything away from Benn he put up a tremendous fight but the ref is a disgrace and has blood on his hands not just McCellan's either I am certain Benn took some brain damage in that fight also .
you and your friend turn out to be decent people according to this.
this ref should have been banned from refereeing forever or at least for a number of years.
whenever benn was at danger , he intervened and broke , did nothing against the fouls.
regarding the time : ref is not the time keeper and also i read that benn was allowed more time because he was knocked off the ring , he definitely was not KO'd , but he could have been had the referee not separated them whenever benn was endangered .
also i noticed mcclellan started blinking right at the first jackson fight.
the commentator asked : what is the ref doing or something like this .

frankenfrank
02-07-2010, 06:13 PM
i was at the fight..... i am of the opinon that Gerald was "Damaged-Goods" before the fight, Denis Andries had lived over in Detroit for 2yrs training at the Kronk, Andries live at the home of Gerald McClelland, when Gerald came over here to fight Benn he naturely stayed at Denis Andries home.. Denis says that Gerald had been sparring with Heavyweights in the Kronk and was not the same guy he knew, he said that Gerald was physically not right, his head was ****ed...

remember it when hearing/seeing the phrase "hard at training easy at war"
and "what doesn't kill you forge you"

S.W.F.C
02-08-2010, 06:48 PM
Great but brutal fight. The ref was bad but hes not a doctor, Id question why the ringside doctors or McClellans corner didn't throw in the towel, you could tell he was in trouble. Never really looked at McClellans record but wow, his ko ratio in the first round is something. Heard a few people say he would have been one of the greats if it wasn't for his injuries, guy was a beast.