in your opinion does gomi have a chance at being a pride and ufc lightweight champ?

No he doesn't. Bj is better at everything Gomi does. Much better boxer, much better grappler, even wrestling and both don't kick. Unfortunately for Gomi who has punching power, Bj's defense and chin are excellent too.
I'd bet my house and my grandma on BJ against Gomi.

no chance at all

i dont even think he'll get the chance to fight Penn again

he won't even get by florian, let alone penn.

nope bj is going to whoop that backside

No he doesn't. Bj is better at everything Gomi does. Much better boxer, much better grappler, even wrestling and both don't kick. Unfortunately for Gomi who has punching power, Bj's defense and chin are excellent too.
I'd bet my house and my grandma on BJ against Gomi.

Exactly how I see it.

Gomi was great and still has it in him to be a top contender, but he's no different than he was when they fought the first time. BJ is way better now than he was back then. BJ dominated him for 2 rounds and subbed him in the 3rd. BJ would beat him more convincingly if a 2nd match were to materialise.

No Chance.....

Not even a punchers chance. BJ, Silva, and GSP should all move up a weight class...

Gtfo if anyone thinks Gomi can't at least brawl it out with BJ. Unlike BJ, Gomi has never been stopped. And only dropped 2x in his whole career.

Standup: Gomi = Penn
SubOffense: Gomi < Penn
SubDefense: Gomi < Penn
Wrestling: Gomi > Penn
Chin: Gomi > Penn
Cardio: Gomi < Penn


In the end Penn wins but don't get **** twisted as if Gomi doesn't have a chance. If Penn comes out with that stupid ass over-agressive style, he will take a dirt nap, GUARANTEED. But he isn't that stupid, he will play it like the first time and shoot straight for the takedown every round.

Hell, Shogun got his ass whooped by ****in Forrest, and made a lackluster decision against Mark ****in Coleman of all people, yet no one believes he is washed up when he faught Chuck. Fickle ass fans. :nonono:

And TS, Penn was never a pride champ. Only UFC.

Where does TS say Penn was Pride Champ?

Love Gomi dude but Penn had come alot further than him since this fight....

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No.

There's not a LW in the world that can even trouble BJ atm. And yes, that includes both Aoki and Alvarez.

Gtfo if anyone thinks Gomi can't at least brawl it out with BJ. Unlike BJ, Gomi has never been stopped. And only dropped 2x in his whole career.

Standup: Gomi = Penn
SubOffense: Gomi < Penn
SubDefense: Gomi < Penn
Wrestling: Gomi > Penn
Chin: Gomi > Penn
Cardio: Gomi < Penn


In the end Penn wins but don't get **** twisted as if Gomi doesn't have a chance. If Penn comes out with that stupid ass over-agressive style, he will take a dirt nap, GUARANTEED. But he isn't that stupid, he will play it like the first time and shoot straight for the takedown every round.

Hell, Shogun got his ass whooped by ****in Forrest, and made a lackluster decision against Mark ****in Coleman of all people, yet no one believes he is washed up when he faught Chuck. Fickle ass fans. :nonono:

And TS, Penn was never a pride champ. Only UFC.

Gomi has been stopped 3 times, all by submission and one left him alseep in the ring. If you mean KO'ed then yes you're right. But you forget that BJ's stoppages have come due to him being exhausted, not because he was hurt or stopped flat out. Also they were at higher weight classes against arguably the 2 best 170lb fighters in the history of the sport so far. All of Gomi's losses have come to lesser fighters than Penn, whereas Penn's losses have come to either a world champion or a future world champion.

Plus unlike Gomi who has been dropped by strikes, Penn has never been dropped by a strike, and when you think that he has been in there with bigger, stronger, and better fighters and strikers than Gomi I would give Penn the edge in chin. Can Penn be KO'ed? Probably, but Gomi ain't gonna be the one to do it. Wrestling evens out IMO. Gomi may have more experience but Penn's TD defense nullify's Gomi's offense. Everything else is to Penn's advantage.

The way I see it, Penn beats Gomi however he wants to. Penn's a different and far more dangerous beast than he was back then. Gomi's still got what it takes to compete at a high level but his best work is behind him.

Gomi has been stopped 3 times, all by submission and one left him alseep in the ring. If you mean KO'ed then yes you're right. But you forget that BJ's stoppages have come due to him being exhausted, not because he was hurt or stopped flat out. Also they were at higher weight classes against arguably the 2 best 170lb fighters in the history of the sport so far. All of Gomi's losses have come to lesser fighters than Penn, whereas Penn's losses have come to either a world champion or a future world champion.

Plus unlike Gomi who has been dropped by strikes, Penn has never been dropped by a strike, and when you think that he has been in there with bigger, stronger, and better fighters and strikers than Gomi I would give Penn the edge in chin. Can Penn be KO'ed? Probably, but Gomi ain't gonna be the one to do it. Wrestling evens out IMO. Gomi may have more experience but Penn's TD defense nullify's Gomi's offense. Everything else is to Penn's advantage.

The way I see it, Penn beats Gomi however he wants to. Penn's a different and far more dangerous beast than he was back then. Gomi's still got what it takes to compete at a high level but his best work is behind him.


You of all people Jakkups should know what "stopped" means. I dont know which convention said that "stopped" means beat by submission. To my knowledge, in every combat sport, stopped means kayo'd. Apparently, stopped has changed the definition from being kayo'd to other bull**** without me being notified. :nonono:

And Gomi has been fighting at a 170lb weight limit the majority of his career. Pride's lightweight division was equal to UFC's welterweight division. So who is better at fighting larger guys? Gomi. Who kayo'd bigger guys? Gomi. Who faught at a 170lb weight limit and never even weighed the max amount? Gomi at 164lbs.

Penn is the #1 lightweight in the world. I wont debate that. But he WONT knock out Gomi. And he wont even stand up with him. Standing with Gomi is like trying to wrestle with GSP. It'a not even worth the trouble.

Unlike some posters here, Penn isn't stupid. He knows standing up with Gomi isn't worth the trouble. He knows his ground game is ten-fold better than Gomi's. And he knows he can beat Gomi 100% of the time on the ground. So what is the most REALISTIC thing for Penn to do? Answer that.

Penn will win but NOT by whatever he wants. Thats just silly bull****. :bs2:

AND Gomi is training with AKA now? Shiiieeeet. I'm makin a list and checkin it twice, when you people try to hop on the bandwagon, i'm kickin you off.

Nothing would make me more happy than too see Gomi crack Penn's jaw. I just can't see it happening. But hell, nobody gave Randleman a shot against CroCop...

Nothing would make me more happy than too see Gomi crack Penn's jaw. I just can't see it happening. But hell, nobody gave Randleman a shot against CroCop...

i agree on this, but gomi's prime was 5 years ago in pride, bj's just into his prime now. this time he'll be the first to stop gomi, which is probably why dana is bringing gomi into the UFC, another shot guy make bj look great. shinya aoki has a better chance, to me this fight is like when dana dug up a punchy, shot jens pulver and handed him to bj for the rematch. i'd like to see bj fight prime guys who still have a chance, even though it might be small

no way bj gonna lose against a shot guy like gomi

Even against a prime Gomi, the BJ now would beat em. Gomi's got some hard shots, good wrestling, and an amazing chin. But his takedown defense has always been iffy, his boxing's not as crisp, and his submission game is definitely not on the same level...

You of all people Jakkups should know what "stopped" means. I dont know which convention said that "stopped" means beat by submission. To my knowledge, in every combat sport, stopped means kayo'd. Apparently, stopped has changed the definition from being kayo'd to other bull**** without me being notified. :nonono:

Way I see it, Penn was conscious and comprehending everything around when he was "KO'ed". Again, both times were from exhaustion not from being stopped becuase the guy was out. And if you tap out, IMO it's still a stoppage, you're saying Uncle and you want out. Essentially, you're asking for it to be stopped.


And Gomi has been fighting at a 170lb weight limit the majority of his career. Pride's lightweight division was equal to UFC's welterweight division. So who is better at fighting larger guys? Gomi. Who kayo'd bigger guys? Gomi. Who faught at a 170lb weight limit and never even weighed the max amount? Gomi at 164lbs.

For a guy who says Gomi is his hero you seem to forget or don't know that the PRIDE LW limit is 161lbs, not 170lbs. And when you look at all the guys Gomi fought during this time, none of them were big guys. Matter of fact they are mainly Shooto 154lb fighters and a few 145lb fighters so he wasn't fighting bigger guys, he was just fighting blownup 145lb'ers or 155lb'ers that just didn't cut any weight. The only "big" guys he fought were David Baron who is a guy who fights at both 155 and 170, and Luiz Azeredo both of whom have never been of relevance at either weight class. He's never fought anyone who is cutting alot of weight to make 155 like some of the wrestlers you get in the UFC or in the USA for that matter. Now comparing this BJ who fought guys at 170lbs in GSP and Hughes who weigh upwards of 185 to 190lbs. He also fought at 185lbs, and even at HW. Not to mention his been a champion at 170 aswell.


Penn is the #1 lightweight in the world. I wont debate that. But he WONT knock out Gomi. And he wont even stand up with him. Standing with Gomi is like trying to wrestle with GSP. It'a not even worth the trouble.

Unlike some posters here, Penn isn't stupid. He knows standing up with Gomi isn't worth the trouble. He knows his ground game is ten-fold better than Gomi's. And he knows he can beat Gomi 100% of the time on the ground. So what is the most REALISTIC thing for Penn to do? Answer that.

So you say that Penn's standup is equal to that of Gomi's yet you feel that if he does stand with Gomi it will be Penn that will take the dirt nap becuase he is over aggressive. Don't know if you have watched Penn since his return to LW but he has been anything but over aggressive. He has been very patient in his apporoach to fighting and has only turned up the aggression when he needs to or choose's to. I do thing Penn will take the fight to the ground when he feels like it, but I don't see him being at all scared of Gomi's standup, nor do I see him being mildly tentative in engaging in a standup exchange, especially when Penn's been in there with the likes of Machida who he handled pretty well and was the last person to tag him clean multiple times during a fight until Shogun did recently. Plus Penn's never been put down by a strike, Gomi has and it was against guys who are knowhere near the striker that Penn is.


Penn will win but NOT by whatever he wants. Thats just silly bull****. :bs2:

AND Gomi is training with AKA now? Shiiieeeet. I'm makin a list and checkin it twice, when you people try to hop on the bandwagon, i'm kickin you off.

Saying Penn will win by what he wants isn't BS. The fact that Penn is a far better fighter now than he was back then and he has already dominated Gomi gives Penn the clear advantage in the mental area. Plus BJ is the better finisher (12 of his 15 wins within the distance compared to 17 of 31 wins for Gomi) and going on recent form alone Penn is the one with the hot streak. What I meant was that the fact that Penn does everything as good as if not better than Gomi means that he has more options as to where the fight takes place since he will be the one dictating the fight from the outset. And the fact that he can make Gomi think about being taken down give's him an advantage standing up because he can fake a takedown and give Gomi a quick combo instead. If Gomi doesn't know what BJ is going to attempt then he can never settle and get off his offence. Gomi's best chance of winning is to hope that he can get Penn down and hold him there because he isn't knocking out BJ standing especially based on his recent form.

Gomi can train with whoever he wants, it won't make much of a difference. Like Ken Norton said prior to the Foreman/Lyle slugfest, "he may be able to change things in the gym, but in the heat of battle he will revert to what he has always done". I am no bandwagon rider but I would love for Gomi to succeed, I just don't see it happening.

I aint gonna disect your post because I respect your MMA knowledge. Regardless of how I feel about it.

But the only thing I want to address is the equal stand up. I said IF he came out with the over-agressive style NOT he will. Rearranging words how you see fit isn't a good thing Jak. I think they are equal but Penn wont risk taking a loss. It's just like recognizing GSP's stand up and then turning to Alves. Did GSP risk it? Nope. Gomi on the other hand has no other choice but to try to strike it out. Which makes him more dangerous standing.

All I ask is people use their logic when deciding fights. But this is boxing scene and that doesn't happen to often. Penn WILL win but it's not as if Gomi doesn't have a chance. If Florian and Sherk were given a chance, then what makes Gomi not have a chance? hell people here gave the overrated Sanchez a chance... which is rediculous :nonono:

Unless Gomi miraculously becomes a jujutsu ace, he will lose.

I just hope none of you are fans of Shogun or Vitor, whom had some bad stints themselves. Because the way people are talking about Gomi in this thread, you might want to reevaluate yourselves and see if your fickle fans or not. :dunno:

I hear ya man, I wasn't trying to rearrange your words, just that my understanding of your words were that you believed that Penn is over aggressive in his approach. I see what you mean now. But I honestly don't see it being a huge risk for BJ to stand with Gomi. Gomi has had trouble with guys with standup skills. Ludwig was getting the better of him before getting cut, Diaz weathered the storm before outworking him while he was tired. BJ's proven that he can be patient and I can see him doing the same thing en route to a victory.

Personally I didn't give Florian or Sanchez a chance, Sherk yes, simply because the guy was a successful fighter at 170 and had never been beaten at 155 until Penn got the better of him. Gomi has as good a chance as Sherk only difference is the areas he lacks in are as you and I know, BJ's best areas.

Shogun and Vitor's situation's are different from Gomi dude. Vitor had his sister kidnapped and murdered which will play havoc on a a loved ones mind especially a young guy like Vitor was back then. Shogun's bad performances when he first stepped into the UFC were more to do with injuries, knee surgeries and how that affected his training camps. I think people weren't being fickle when they doubted those guys because given their situations they was a good possibility that they would not make it back to the heights they reached prior. With Gomi he has no real reasons for his performances of late, no injuries, nothing. He's either on the slide or he's lost the passion for success and is just seeking out paydays. I hope it's neither and the guy pulls his finger out of his ass and shows up as the Fireball Kid again.