1. Vitali's jab will keep toney away from him while vitali uses long rang punches to pot shot toney.


2. toney doesnt dodge every punch he will get hit and vitali probally hits 5-10 times ahrder then anyone he ahs ever faced.


3. when toney gets hit even if it isnt clean, it will wear him down liek in the jirov fight vitlai will beat on him. his arms or whever the punches land will hurt toney later on.


4. i dotn see hwo toney is gonan egt inside to go to the body he'd have to open up to attack and we akk saw what happen to danny williams.

5. even if toney does get inside his power wont have that much effect at all. and even if he does place body shots as the case in the danny fight he is gonna have to pressure and atatck vitali, that is not toneys style, his body shots wont do anythign cause vitali will just sit at logn rang pop that jab, gather and bomb him. vitali throws 70-90 punches.

6. thought i should add this in aslo, vitali isnt as slow as peopel claim he is, if u notice he leans backwards and also jumps backwards kind of liek a little hop, agasint shorter fighters he really uses this to hsi advantage, he hops back to avoid haymakers and body shots and leans back to take the steam off of stright punches, vitali can use this move effectivly agaisnt toney. danny williams is 6'1 with a 79" reach. toney is 5 9"- 5'11"?? with a 76 reach. he is gonan have a horrible time hitting vitali.

this is pretty much a case where size and syle outweigh skill.

I agree with some of the things you say but Toney will give Vitali trouble even though he is a clear favorite. Toney is not big but he is a far better defensive fighter than anyone Vitali has ever faced. He also would lay back on the ropes and make Vitali come to him and than fight inside. Toney also gets stronger as a fight goes on while Vitali has well known stamina problems. Lastly, Toney has underated power and great countering ability against someone who is realitivly slow that it will be easy to couter and land big shots if he is able to get inside. I see this fight going on of two ways either Vitali takes Toney out inside 5 or he uses himself up only to have Toney come on strong a win a close descion in 12.

I think Vitaly is miles to tall for Toney. Even if James got lucky with a huge haymaker I don't think it would have much effect at all on Klitzco. Later brother brologs.

I agree with some of the things you say but Toney will give Vitali trouble even though he is a clear favorite. Toney is not big but he is a far better defensive fighter than anyone Vitali has ever faced. He also would lay back on the ropes and make Vitali come to him and than fight inside. Toney also gets stronger as a fight goes on while Vitali has well known stamina problems. Lastly, Toney has underated power and great countering ability against someone who is realitivly slow that it will be easy to couter and land big shots if he is able to get inside. I see this fight going on of two ways either Vitali takes Toney out inside 5 or he uses himself up only to have Toney come on strong a win a close descion in 12.


vitali will not go to toney, dont know why u would think that, vitlai is waaay to smart from that dont under estimate his ring smarts, toney does not want to be on the rops at all, klitschko would pick him apart from a distance

Toney is the smarter fighter, and way more talented. But Vitali is a foot taller than him. If he is smart, Toney wouldn't get near him.

Toney is the smarter fighter, and way more talented. But Vitali is a foot taller than him. If he is smart, Toney wouldn't get near him.


i strongly disagree that toney is smarter then vitali. toney got knocked down because he was being dumb agasint roy. he has been lazy soemtimes and toney doesnt come into every fight in fighting form liek vitali who is always ready and in shape

Toney is always ready for fights now, the Toney of old is gone. And Vitali is not a smarter fighter than Toney stop dreaming.

james toney is going to need a ladder to get to vitali...i took this line from rocky 4..anyways yeaa Toney cant fight Vitali, he might be a better fighter than Vitali but Vitali is just too big for him, Toney needs to be at light heavy, and beat glencoff johnson and antonio tarver.

Toney is always ready for fights now, the Toney of old is gone. And Vitali is not a smarter fighter than Toney stop dreaming.


no u r wrong toney just came in out of shape agasint ruiz, he is not smarter then vitali

i strongly disagree that toney is smarter then vitali. toney got knocked down because he was being dumb agasint roy.

not dumb, that was pride, roy was showing off, and james was playin the anything u can do i can do game, and he lost

not dumb, that was pride, roy was showing off, and james was playin the anything u can do i can do game, and he lost


WHICH ISNT SMART!!!!!!!!!!!

James was 218, then he was 228(I think), then 233 pounds. He needs to have more disipline. Remember....he used to be 160 pounds for gods sake! :eek: Later brother brologs.

i strongly disagree that toney is smarter then vitali. toney got knocked down because he was being dumb agasint roy. he has been lazy soemtimes and toney doesnt come into every fight in fighting form liek vitali who is always ready and in shape

that was 10 years ago, toney is much smarter now, plus VK is no where near as fast as roy was to pull that off. I think it will be a very interasting fight. VK has the size and is a very good fighter, but his in ring smarts and skills can not match with toney. not even on his best day. I still pick toney although u make make some pretty good points.

toney is a crafty fighter, but in all honesty, he did beat Ruiz but he didn't impress me at all.....and even his punches were more like catch-punches than power king hits..........so i couldn't see him having any chance against VK.

5'9" vs 6'8" . I think that says it all.

that was 10 years ago, toney is much smarter now, plus VK is no where near as fast as roy was to pull that off. I think it will be a very interasting fight. VK has the size and is a very good fighter, but his in ring smarts and skills can not match with toney. not even on his best day. I still pick toney although u make make some pretty good points.


why do u think toney has more ring smarts then vitali? id like to here it

I think Vitali gets the easy decision in this bout.

vitali is the only heavyweight who backs up what he says and lives up to expectations. he KOs his opponets, he gives great performances, he has the tools to unify the titles, and has the smarts to defeat any heavyweight in the division today.

toney says he can KO anyone and he couldnt even KO john ruiz, even when he was on steroids.

there are two obvious things that can make vitali defeat toney: VK's reach and power. toney's probly the best in-fighter in the world today, and a great counterpuncher, but if he cant get past a pole-ax of a jab and right hand (which he cant), then he cant beat vitali.

im not saying that toney cant beat vitali, but toney will be a HUGE underdog.

Toney sux he didint show anything in the Ruiz fight that says hes a dominant factor in the HW division, he does not have a chance against Klitschko if he comes in like he did vs Ruiz, Klitschko is one of the smartest fighters ever he will just pick Toney apart and KO him. If this fight ever happens which I wish it would Klitschko wins by KO within 8...

Toney is the farthest thing from disciplined I've seen...

The fact that he's fighting at heavyweight says it all...

Toney is without a doubt a smarter fighter than Klitschko. You should slap your 16 year old self right in the face for saying otherwise.

Toney, in terms of ring smarts and savvy, is one of the respected fighters in the sport for his old school mentality and ability to focus effortlessly in the ring.

The problem in this fight for Toney is the sheer size difference. Vitali is a foot taller, and at 36 and how injury prone and out of shape Toney has been, this is literally a very tall order for him.

He'll be a deserving underdog, and his chances are slim, but I wouldn't write him off.

Vitali Klitschko is still a relativly unproven heavyweight, and sheer size isn't always enough.

Toney will be at a huge disadvantage, but I don't think he can be written off.

Toney is without a doubt a smarter fighter than Klitschko. You should slap your 16 year old self right in the face for saying otherwise.

Toney, in terms of ring smarts and savvy, is one of the respected fighters in the sport for his old school mentality and ability to focus effortlessly in the ring.

The problem in this fight for Toney is the sheer size difference. Vitali is a foot taller, and at 36 and how injury prone and out of shape Toney has been, this is literally a very tall order for him.

He'll be a deserving underdog, and his chances are slim, but I wouldn't write him off.

Vitali Klitschko is still a relativly unproven heavyweight, and sheer size isn't always enough.

Toney will be at a huge disadvantage, but I don't think he can be written off.


You tellin me I should smack myself in the face for saying otherweise?

You tellin me I should smack myself in the face for saying otherweise?

Was talking to Sturmrules

Was talking to Sturmrules

oo ok I was like WTF

I think Toney is really smart in the ring, but he needs to get more disciplined outside the ring..

oo ok I was like WTF

I think Toney is really smart in the ring, but he needs to get more disciplined outside the ring..


I agree.

Being 36 and injury prone isn't going to help him when he's putting on that much weight in between fights.

Toney is without a doubt a smarter fighter than Klitschko. You should slap your 16 year old self right in the face for saying otherwise.

Toney, in terms of ring smarts and savvy, is one of the respected fighters in the sport for his old school mentality and ability to focus effortlessly in the ring.

The problem in this fight for Toney is the sheer size difference. Vitali is a foot taller, and at 36 and how injury prone and out of shape Toney has been, this is literally a very tall order for him.

He'll be a deserving underdog, and his chances are slim, but I wouldn't write him off.

Vitali Klitschko is still a relativly unproven heavyweight, and sheer size isn't always enough.

Toney will be at a huge disadvantage, but I don't think he can be written off.


i think toney is a better fighter(skills wise), but i dont know about smarter... i do think toney is smart, but i dont see any evidence that VK is not as smart...

1. Vitali's jab will keep toney away from him while vitali uses long rang punches to pot shot toney.


2. toney doesnt dodge every punch he will get hit and vitali probally hits 5-10 times ahrder then anyone he ahs ever faced.


3. when toney gets hit even if it isnt clean, it will wear him down liek in the jirov fight vitlai will beat on him. his arms or whever the punches land will hurt toney later on.


4. i dotn see hwo toney is gonan egt inside to go to the body he'd have to open up to attack and we akk saw what happen to danny williams.

5. even if toney does get inside his power wont have that much effect at all. and even if he does place body shots as the case in the danny fight he is gonna have to pressure and atatck vitali, that is not toneys style, his body shots wont do anythign cause vitali will just sit at logn rang pop that jab, gather and bomb him. vitali throws 70-90 punches.

6. thought i should add this in aslo, vitali isnt as slow as peopel claim he is, if u notice he leans backwards and also jumps backwards kind of liek a little hop, agasint shorter fighters he really uses this to hsi advantage, he hops back to avoid haymakers and body shots and leans back to take the steam off of stright punches, vitali can use this move effectivly agaisnt toney. danny williams is 6'1 with a 79" reach. toney is 5 9"- 5'11"?? with a 76 reach. he is gonan have a horrible time hitting vitali.

this is pretty much a case where size and syle outweigh skill.

Vitali would win because he is a better FIGHTER period.

i think toney is a better fighter(skills wise), but i dont know about smarter... i do think toney is smart, but i dont see any evidence that VK is not as smart...

This is because you're a big Vitali fan, and that's fine.

Toney is widely regarded as one of the smartest and savvy fighters in the ring today. (not so much outside of it) ;)

Vitali would win because he is a better FIGHTER period.
WRONG not a better fighter, Maybe a better heavyweight, but Toney has already did more in this sport than Vitali EVER WILL.

if toney can find a way to stay inside he could win..but its a very difficult task..but i think he can jus stay chest to chest with vitali..vitali needs space to punch and taking it away would give toney a shot

This is because you're a big Vitali fan, and that's fine.

Toney is widely regarded as one of the smartest and savvy fighters in the ring today. (not so much outside of it) ;)

i agree with that, toney is a bright guy, but what says VK is not as smart, he has a PHD, speak multiple laguages and has never done anything to suuggest he's dumb...

WRONG not a better fighter, Maybe a better heavyweight, but Toney has already did more in this sport than Vitali EVER WILL.

true, both toney and byrd are more skilled fighters but both would struggle with the size difference

if toney can find a way to stay inside he could win..but its a very difficult task..but i think he can jus stay chest to chest with vitali..vitali needs space to punch and taking it away would give toney a shot

i agree, toney would need to do that, but that's not toney's preferred style to fight... usually, he likes to let the other guy come to him and counter... against VK, toney might have to be a pressure fighter(that was lewis's gameplen)....