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Earl Hickey
01-22-2010, 11:13 PM
Mass Effect 2 Review
BioWare ups the ante once again.
by Erik Brudvig
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US, January 22, 2010 - Mass Effect is one of my favorite games of the past decade. Despite its technical shortcomings, BioWare's first in what it promised to be a trilogy took the role-playing genre to new cinematic heights. Mass Effect 2 is a better game in near every way. From the very first scene, you will be hooked. And the farther you dive into this epic action role-playing game, the better it gets. It fulfills the promise of its predecessor while continuing to push the boundaries of what we should expect in a videogame.

This is the continued saga of Commander Shepard. It's the future, and all sentient life across the galaxy is in peril. An advanced race of machines known as Reapers is intent on wiping the slate clean. Shepard, a distinguished soldier, has faced this threat and emerged triumphant once, but victory is far from assured. Now Shepard must take the fight to the enemy -- a mission that is dubbed suicidal from the outset. Things don't look very promising, but Shepard has a plan. It involves recruiting the best and brightest from around the galaxy and somehow convincing them their lives are worth sacrificing for the greater good.

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These heroes are what drive the story. Their motivations become yours as the experience continues to get better with each addition to the cast. Shepard's compatriots are fascinating and flawed; captivating and occasionally despicable. The arc of the main tale itself isn't in itself exceptional, but the characters BioWare has crafted most definitely are. These are some of the most compelling players I've ever seen in a videogame -- the Drell named Thane is a particular favorite of mine -- and the great design and writing isn't limited to the main cast. The citizens of the galaxy are extraordinary and offer more than enough reason to explore every location and talk to everybody.


All of this is made even better by Mass Effect's trademark cinematic and interactive approach to conversations. With Mass Effect 1, BioWare introduced a conversation wheel that allowed for fast-moving, intriguing, and player driven cutscenes. Rather than slowly moving through conversations by selecting dialogue from a list, Mass Effect allows the player to quickly choose an emotional response, which generally include an honorable paragon reaction and a snappy renegade remark. The result is that every little dialogue snippet is about as engaging as they come. It was innovative when Mass Effect 1 first came out, and it's still so far ahead of the curve, backed up by further refinements, including a quick-time interrupt system, and powerful voice acting. Mordin Solus, a Salarian scientist played by Michael Beattie, and Martin Sheen as the Illusive Man, are high points in an all-star cast of voices.

Catch up with the Mass Effect story in our five minute recap.
The true strength of Mass Effect 2's story, however, is in how personal BioWare has made it. If you played Mass Effect 1 through to the end and still have your save data, this game will import your character and all the decisions you made. The central plot will not drastically change, but the experience most certainly will. Some old friends and acquaintances will return and others won't based on decisions you made in the last game. Even the opening moments of Mass Effect 2 can be slightly different.


The actions you take in the sequel only compound this feeling of personalization. By the finale you'll have made so many decisions ranging from simple things like whether you play as a male or female all the way up to those governing life or death that the result is a game that is yours and yours alone. Choices you made in Mass Effect 1 come back to remind you of past good deeds or injustices. Decisions made here affect the final outcome. Reminders that everything you do will be reflected in Mass Effect 3 are everywhere, adding further drama to every conversation. Things you say and do actually matter, and that's an incredible sensation to get from a videogame.

Starting New?

Whether you're new to Mass Effect or simply don't like the look of your Shepard, Mass Effect 2 gives you the opportunity to start anew. Those imported saves can change how Shepard looks. You can even pick a new character class. And everybody will start from level one.

Even if you didn't play Mass Effect 1, this game is worth playing. If you're not importing a character, BioWare simply makes some of the decisions from Mass Effect 1 for you. It's slightly less dramatic and the story here is often references events in the first game, which might make some bits less thrilling for novices. There are revelations and tantalizing plot twists that Mass Effect veterans will go crazy for. These same moments simply won't carry the same weight with those hopping in for part two. It's a bit of a Catch-22 for the designers tasked with the impossible job of pleasing newcomers while still pushing the limits.

Speaking of pleasing people, BioWare listened to every last bit of criticism leveled at Mass Effect 1. That game, particularly on Xbox 360, suffered from a few technical and presentational issues. This sequel is a much, much cleaner experience. Long elevator rides and slow-loading textures are gone, replaced with (occasionally lengthy) loading screens. Generic cut-and-paste side quests and empty planets to explore have been totally ripped out. Pretty much everything that anybody took even the slightest issue with in Mass Effect 1 has been axed or rebuilt entirely..

Earl Hickey
01-22-2010, 11:14 PM
Even though it's a cleaner production, Mass Effect 2 isn't a perfectly polished game. I've played through the game twice and during that time experienced sound cutting out, my character getting stuck in the environment and full game crashes. Thankfully, these miscues are infrequent, which allows the art style to shine. Mass Effect 2 is a visual treat, filled with breathtaking landscapes and an awesome attention to detail. If you're playing on PC and have a powerful rig (I took Shepard for a spin on an Alienware Intel Core 2 Quad 2.00 GHz prcoessor, dual NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M cards, and 6 GB of memory), it will look even better.

The improvements aren't only technical. The inventory and skill systems have been made more manageable, streamlined to the point that they might initially appear too thin for a role-playing game. Keep playing, however, and you'll begin to see strength and depth emerge as you further customize your squad.

Thane is one of my favorite characters in any game.
One of the biggest reasons why this streamlined approach to character customization works is the retooled character classes. The same six specialization options are back, ranging from the Jedi-inspired biotic users to the technically inclined engineer. This time, however, they've been defined and differentiated much more clearly, each getting its own set of weapon specializations and unique skills. Playing as a soldier is a vastly different combat experience compared to the vanguard or infiltrator. Each class has its own approach to battle, which is then further defined by how you choose to outfit your squad and where you assign skill points. By the end of the game, everything about Mass Effect 2 will be shaped by your choices ***8211; from the story to the ebb and flow of combat.

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Of course, none of this would matter if it isn't fun to play. Good news. Mass Effect 2 is a lot of fun. The action has been refined to the point that even general fans of shooters will find a lot to like here. It's not perfect, but the game handles quite well. It doesn't take long to master simultaneously ripping off rounds from an assault rifle, tossing out a few biotic skills, and directing the two AI driven squad mates to combine raw power with smart tactics. And when things get really rough -- and they will, Mass Effect 2 is no cake walk -- you can always pull out a heavy weapon and tear the enemy a new one.

Subject Zero is one twisted hero.
Add in fantastic level design and awesome skills like the vanguard's charge or the infiltrator's cloaking ability and you have one spectacular virtual playground. Mass Effect 1 toed the line by offering some of the action elements that shooter fans enjoy with some of the role-playing tactics that the hardcore fans of the genre want. The sequel improves both areas for a through-and-through satisfying battle system.


On PC, the heads-up display is a bit different, custom built to work with a keyboard and mouse. Both versions are largely identical, though you will get a few more options for customizing hot keys and skill usage on the PC. Which works better for you will be a matter of personal preference.

An emphasis has clearly been put on ensuring that the combat in Mass Effect 2 never grows stale. Side quests each have their own unique areas to explore -- and you'll have to explore the galactic map, talk to random characters, and find key items to even trigger many of them. The combat zones themselves, however, have been cleaned up to be more straightforward and compelling, rather than repetitive labyrinths. New gameplay twists are introduced frequently with some large quests eschewing combat entirely. There's a great focus on exploration and discovery here and BioWare has made sure that the reward for doing so is worth the effort.
I love the vangaurd.

Closing Comments
Games like Mass Effect 2 don't come around often enough. Look at any aspect and you can be sure it's great. It's incredibly personal while still retaining a sense of epic sweeping scale. The combat and mission design are outstanding. The visuals, voice acting, soundtrack, and direction are miles ahead of the competition. Perhaps most impressively, Mass Effect 2 manages to fulfill its incredible ambition while only suffering from very few technical hiccups. The only real caveat I should mention is that some of the revelations and plot twists won't be quite as powerful if you haven't played Mass Effect 1, but that isn't any reason to skip this fantastic videogame.

Earl Hickey
01-22-2010, 11:14 PM
10 Presentation
Clean and sophisticated. Brilliant and cinematic.

9.5 Graphics
Exceptional artistic direction and a top notch-technical showcase.

10 Sound
Martin Sheen steals the show, even amidst all of the outstanding voice acting and music.

9.5 Gameplay
Tight mechanics, thrilling combat, and deep role-playing. The design is unparalleled.

10 Lasting Appeal
A remarkable achievement in adapting a story to your decisions. It creates amazing
replay value.

9.6
Incredible OVERALL
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bishop2006
01-23-2010, 03:52 PM
Cant wait to get this

- v e t -
01-23-2010, 03:54 PM
i just dropped a deuce about an hour ago and i rate it a 9.4 or so


just sayin

Ryn0
01-23-2010, 04:28 PM
I'll pick it up later this week, I'm really excited about this game. More excited than I've been for a 360 game in a long time (Alan Wake/Reach are the other ones). I loved the first one, I hope I get to keep Wrex or atleast see alot more of him cause I saved him in the last one and his story was the best of the party you had.

I also want to see how much of an impact my decisions had in the last game.

Grand Champ
01-23-2010, 05:45 PM
9,6. Damn, I'm glad I pre-ordered it now :D

Earl Hickey
01-23-2010, 08:53 PM
Cant wait to get it, i pre ordered the special edition one.

- v e t -
01-23-2010, 08:55 PM
whats the deal with the disc swapping??

jw

Earl Hickey
01-23-2010, 09:09 PM
whats the deal with the disc swapping??

jw

US, January 23, 2010 - Last month, BioWare Community Manager Chris Priestly noted players had to do one required disc swap for the Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 2.

But that is no longer the case.

The game will make players re-insert disc 1 as they make their way towards the end levels. BioWare producer Jessie Houston explained to IGN just what happens.

"Players will start with Disc 1 for the introduction and early level choices, then go through a funnel level of sorts, where they will need to switch to Disc 2," Houston said. "From there they will play the middle portion of the game, which is mostly on Disc 2. Then after another funnel point in the story they'll go back to Disc 1."

Houston noted this decision had nothing to do with combating potential piracy, and was done to help alleviate breaking up the gameplay during the middle portions of Mass Effect 2.

"The decision was made due to the nature of having to go to two discs for what is a non-linear game and fitting the right amount of content onto each of the discs," he added. "This way players won't have to swap their discs multiple times during the middle of the game."


So basically, over the 40-50 hours you need to do 2 disc swaps.

Dorian
01-23-2010, 09:35 PM
My brother already downloaded it on his Modded 360, game is amazing.

Earl Hickey
01-23-2010, 09:48 PM
My brother already downloaded it on his Modded 360, game is amazing.

Is he upset that he has to swap a disc once every 20 hours?

- v e t -
01-23-2010, 09:53 PM
US, January 23, 2010 - Last month, BioWare Community Manager Chris Priestly noted players had to do one required disc swap for the Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 2.

But that is no longer the case.

The game will make players re-insert disc 1 as they make their way towards the end levels. BioWare producer Jessie Houston explained to IGN just what happens.

"Players will start with Disc 1 for the introduction and early level choices, then go through a funnel level of sorts, where they will need to switch to Disc 2," Houston said. "From there they will play the middle portion of the game, which is mostly on Disc 2. Then after another funnel point in the story they'll go back to Disc 1."

Houston noted this decision had nothing to do with combating potential piracy, and was done to help alleviate breaking up the gameplay during the middle portions of Mass Effect 2.

"The decision was made due to the nature of having to go to two discs for what is a non-linear game and fitting the right amount of content onto each of the discs," he added. "This way players won't have to swap their discs multiple times during the middle of the game."


So basically, over the 40-50 hours you need to do 2 disc swaps.


40-50 hours? i read several places that said its a 20 hour game...

i'll bet you 100k points that there will be youtube vids of how to beat it in under 10 minutes

Earl Hickey
01-23-2010, 10:41 PM
40-50 hours? i read several places that said its a 20 hour game...

i'll bet you 100k points that there will be youtube vids of how to beat it in under 10 minutes

Zelda OOT can be completed in about 6 hours, but only if you are speed running it, Mass Effect will be 40 hours+ if you do everything, which is how i judge a game.

Dorian
01-23-2010, 11:11 PM
Is he upset that he has to swap a disc once every 20 hours?

No, it's all on 1 disc, no problems for him, it works great, he's done quite a lot on it already.

Great story :)

- v e t -
01-24-2010, 07:59 AM
Zelda OOT can be completed in about 6 hours, but only if you are speed running it, Mass Effect will be 40 hours+ if you do everything, which is how i judge a game.

yeah, but MGS4 can do the same, but lets be honest, thats still a 10 hour game etc....

the average gamer, on normal difficulty will complete ME2 in under 20 hours easily.... im betting under 15

now, thats not a big deal to me... to each their own. if its your thing, then by all means

the game's not my cup of tea so to say.. and its not a matter of length, but thats just me

:D

Earl Hickey
01-24-2010, 10:35 PM
yeah, but MGS4 can do the same, but lets be honest, thats still a 10 hour game etc....

the average gamer, on normal difficulty will complete ME2 in under 20 hours easily.... im betting under 15

now, thats not a big deal to me... to each their own. if its your thing, then by all means

the game's not my cup of tea so to say.. and its not a matter of length, but thats just me

:D

I hate having to rush games, like when you rent them out.

I finished Fallout 3 in about 15 hours, but then i actually purchased it and clocked around 40 hours.

I think Mass Effect will be a minimum 20 hour game imo.

AnimalisticMeth
01-25-2010, 03:37 PM
I hate having to rush games, like when you rent them out.

I finished Fallout 3 in about 15 hours, but then i actually purchased it and clocked around 40 hours.

I think Mass Effect will be a minimum 20 hour game imo.

20 hour game if you forget about the side missions and all the other cool stuff. If you do all that and clear the game the right way it will take you more than that.

Earl Hickey
01-25-2010, 07:28 PM
20 hour game if you forget about the side missions and all the other cool stuff. If you do all that and clear the game the right way it will take you more than that.

Oh yeah, i agree.

I'll be clocking up 40 odd hours, and then theres the replay value, of choosing the evil path.

Equilibrium
01-26-2010, 04:36 AM
So basically, over the 40-50 hours you need to do 2 disc swaps.

Thats way too much work for a ps3 fanboy.



Getting it tommorow, didn't preorder so i might end up not getting it, but the chick at my local gamestop told me they had ordered tons of copies.

Earl Hickey
01-26-2010, 04:41 PM
Here is a video review

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Mr. Fantastic
01-27-2010, 05:31 PM
I'm playing it right now. That game is AMAZING!!!

Grand Champ
01-29-2010, 04:07 AM
Took me a few days now but finished it. My impression: Holy ****! This game is EPIC. one of the best game I've ever played. Everything is well played out, the character missions you do are very versitile from each other and WELL played out. Getting ressources is a bit tedious at times, scanning planets. But when you go to scan a planet and it suddenly tells you there's a distress signal and next thing you know you're on a rescue mission.. That makes it all worth while.

Great ****ing game. 10/10.

Mickey Rawk
01-29-2010, 09:00 AM
Unbelievable game.

Earl Hickey
01-29-2010, 03:33 PM
I just bought my copy this morning, it was the last one in the shop phew.

Im at work now, but ill be playing it a soon as i get home


Did you other guys import your character from me 1

Grand Champ
02-01-2010, 11:15 AM
Best character IMO
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/11900/230px-Garrus_Character_Shot.png

closely followed by Grunt. That's usually my team right there with me being an adept. Singularity is still badass.

$partacus
02-01-2010, 01:10 PM
I read reviews that said it would take about 25 hours to complete but i thought that was just the main story and there would be loads of side missions to make the game longer and there isn't. :nonono: It would have taken me 5 hours less to complete if you didn't have to scan the ****ing planets for resources, that **** is so boring i hope they don't have it in ME3.

It's a good game but it doesn't deserve the review scores it got, i actually enjoyed ME1 more.

Grand Champ
02-01-2010, 01:52 PM
I read reviews that said it would take about 25 hours to complete but i thought that was just the main story and there would be loads of side missions to make the game longer and there isn't. :nonono: It would have taken me 5 hours less to complete if you didn't have to scan the ****ing planets for resources, that **** is so boring i hope they don't have it in ME3.

It's a good game but it doesn't deserve the review scores it got, i actually enjoyed ME1 more.

Did you do all the assignments and the missions you get when you scan some of the planets too? If so, up the difficulty to insanity. Should give you a few extra hours of challenge.

bishop2006
02-02-2010, 05:16 PM
This game is SO SICK!! Gona take a beast of a game to beat this for Game of the Year ( God of War )

As far as xbox 360,this is the best exclusive ive played yet,a masterpeice,and the graphics show theres more to the 360 then we've been getting out of other games

Earl Hickey
02-02-2010, 08:06 PM
I have been playing the **** out of this game, i picked up Mass Effect 1 today, and after ME2 im going to play that as an evil character and then import and then have sex with subject zero.

Grand Champ
02-02-2010, 08:32 PM
I have been playing the **** out of this game, i picked up Mass Effect 1 today, and after ME2 im going to play that as an evil character and then import and then have sex with subject zero.

Subject Zero = Natalie Portman from V for Vendetta

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/spotlights/news/vendetta.jpg

Earl Hickey
02-02-2010, 11:25 PM
Subject Zero = Natalie Portman from V for Vendetta

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/spotlights/news/vendetta.jpg

If they do DLC, they need to do more dialogue for the crew members, Subject Zero is an interesting Character.

Verstyle
02-02-2010, 11:27 PM
I had the first one. I returned it to Gamestop the very next day.

Earl Hickey
02-02-2010, 11:49 PM
I had the first one. I returned it to Gamestop the very next day.

The first one was flawed, but in the end, i thought it was worth playing

the second one fixes pretty much all the flaws and really is a great game, you should at least rent it out and give it a try.

Grand Champ
02-03-2010, 01:30 AM
If they do DLC, they need to do more dialogue for the crew members, Subject Zero is an interesting Character.

No doubt, Zaeed is also an interesting one. Too bad you can't talk to him on the ship.. They do plan on making DLC's for ME2, wonder what they'll come up with. It seems pretty complete as of now..

Chip2006uk
02-06-2010, 11:31 PM
Everytime I chat to Jacob I think Im talking to Shane Mosley

Earl Hickey
02-06-2010, 11:36 PM
No doubt, Zaeed is also an interesting one. Too bad you can't talk to him on the ship.. They do plan on making DLC's for ME2, wonder what they'll come up with. It seems pretty complete as of now..

Is he the DLC one, i don't know what dlc they will do, but ill be happy with anything tbh

Dirt E Gomez
02-07-2010, 06:12 AM
Great, great, great, great, game. It has its flaws, as do all games, but given the wide scope of the universe they created and improved upon it's deserving of a 10/10. Let's make something clear: that doesn't mean it's perfect. No game is perfect and no game will ever be perfect, but even with the flaws it is one of the best games I've ever played.

I could type a huge, gigantic post ranting and raving about difficulty, overpowered or underpowered abilities, etc... but there's only 1 thing that I want to ***** about on this post.

Romance. In Mass Effect 1, your options were simple and both were fine options. You had the hard woman in Ashley who was the hot piece of ass, loyal Alliance to the bone. Or Liara, the interesting species who before the game you knew little about so you'd persue her almost strictly out of curiosity. Both characters plot to get involved is interesting enough that neither choice is better than the other.

In Mass Effect 2 it's the complete opposite. While there are more romantic choices; the only one that makes sense is Tali. Miranda is a ***** for the entire game. Your characters have no meaningful, interesting interactions until she's like, "Hey, let's ****." And then you're like, "Show me 'dem titties."

Jack is a pyscho ***** with no redeeming qualities. Ok, she was broken and abused and turned into a horrible human being. I'm not putting my dick inside that.

Which brings us to Tali. The only person who actually has a meaningful relationship with your character. I hated the character in Mass Effect 1 because she didn't have personality. All she was was an excuse to have the Quarian database to learn about their culture. She was just a book to read. In ME2 she is the overwhelmingly best choice in terms of legitimate relationship to the story.

It seems like I might be nitpicking about a strange thing, but character interaction is such a big part of western style rpgs given the walls of text involved and development of characters. When you have ****y-****y options that don't really fit the character, it throws the rest of the surrounding area in the game off.

Grand Champ
02-07-2010, 06:56 AM
Great, great, great, great, game. It has its flaws, as do all games, but given the wide scope of the universe they created and improved upon it's deserving of a 10/10. Let's make something clear: that doesn't mean it's perfect. No game is perfect and no game will ever be perfect, but even with the flaws it is one of the best games I've ever played.

I could type a huge, gigantic post ranting and raving about difficulty, overpowered or underpowered abilities, etc... but there's only 1 thing that I want to ***** about on this post.

Romance. In Mass Effect 1, your options were simple and both were fine options. You had the hard woman in Ashley who was the hot piece of ass, loyal Alliance to the bone. Or Liara, the interesting species who before the game you knew little about so you'd persue her almost strictly out of curiosity. Both characters plot to get involved is interesting enough that neither choice is better than the other.

In Mass Effect 2 it's the complete opposite. While there are more romantic choices; the only one that makes sense is Tali. Miranda is a ***** for the entire game. Your characters have no meaningful, interesting interactions until she's like, "Hey, let's ****." And then you're like, "Show me 'dem titties."

Jack is a pyscho ***** with no redeeming qualities. Ok, she was broken and abused and turned into a horrible human being. I'm not putting my dick inside that.

Which brings us to Tali. The only person who actually has a meaningful relationship with your character. I hated the character in Mass Effect 1 because she didn't have personality. All she was was an excuse to have the Quarian database to learn about their culture. She was just a book to read. In ME2 she is the overwhelmingly best choice in terms of legitimate relationship to the story.

It seems like I might be nitpicking about a strange thing, but character interaction is such a big part of western style rpgs given the walls of text involved and development of characters. When you have ****y-****y options that don't really fit the character, it throws the rest of the surrounding area in the game off.

Hahah, Dirt E is spot on with that..!! :lol1:

Boxer1590
02-24-2010, 08:01 PM
I got this game a little while back. Haven't really had time to play it until today.

Games pretty sick man. I like it a lot better than the 1st.

I just hate how when playing Xbox 360, if you don't have a big ass HDTV it's real hard to read anything in games they make the texts so fukin small and unclear.

PS3 > Xbox360

Equilibrium
02-24-2010, 11:20 PM
Finished it a couple of days ago, amazing game. Characters have so much personality they feel like "real" people. Mordin Solus is ****ing awesome, so is Subject Zero.

I'll start another character in me1 and play all the way through again, played my first one as a somewhat good guy, but now i'll be a complete dick.