OK i know this is real old and talked about to death, but i saw the fight for the 1st time since it happened. The 1st time i thought Oscar won it easly but im a big Oscar fan i cant really judge at the time cause of the whole emotion and the tension.

I saw it again and i had it a draw.

I had Oscar winning 5 out of the first 7 rounds. ( rounds 1,2,5,6,7) i didnt think Sturm's jab was enough to win those rounds. All he did was throw Jabs and nothing else.

IN rounds 8 to 12 i had Sturm winning four out of 5. I thought Sturm started throwing more combinations and still throwing that jab. Also after the 6 round Oscar was extremly tired (ive never seen him that tired ever)

I think Sturm faught good but i dont see anything anything to get excited about. Oscar is small for a junior middleweight, he sure doesnt have any business fighting at Middle. If sturm would have faught a jermain taylor , B-hop , or a Jeff Lacy(saying they met) he wouldnt be able to stay in that same defense because those body shots and hooks would becoming from a man his size. And he does not have the power to scratch neither of those guys.

** By the way, if you look after the 1st round between rounds, Mayweather keeps spraying damn water into Oscar's nose and it bothers him, just watch it its real funny**

oscar looked fat for that fite, like Toney at cruiserweight.

Challengers, like Sturm, has to take the fight to the champ. But although Oscar wasn't the champ, he was expected to win, even by the judges.

Although I think Oscar lost that fight, Sturm could have been a bit more convincing. Sorta like how Pacquiao took the fight to Barrera. He knew he was the challenger and had to make a good showing. Very much like how Morales took the fight to Pacquiao.

If you're the underdog, you have to be more determined to win and show it.

well in my opinion i thought it was a dull fight with both fighter being lacklustre. having said this, we DO expect more from DLH, although having watched most of STURM's fights, I would not have expected much more from him.

Sturm is a technically sound fighter..period. He offers nothing special, no power, and is another contender. He has made his name out of DLH's personal under-performance....and that is it.

Let's WAIT and see when STURM fights a real top middleweight contender like Taylor, Soliman, Ikeke, etc...and not the second tier opponents the average German based "World" champions prefer to pick.

why do u guys say he only offered a jab? he only landed 8 less power connects then DLH, maybe sturms jab was soooo good u guys were in such awe by it u didnt see his lightning quick hooks and uppercuts.

why do u guys say he only offered a jab? he only landed 8 less power connects then DLH, maybe sturms jab was soooo good u guys were in such awe by it u didnt see his lightning quick hooks and uppercuts.

Can you do us a big favor. Discuss a fighter other than:

Sturm, Tito, or Vitali. Please.

Can you do us a big favor. Discuss a fighter other than:

Sturm, Tito, or Vitali. Please.


lmao did i start this thread? and i talk about tito!!?? since when? i usually stick with vitali and sturm only

Sturm definitely beat Oscar....but it was not an eye-opening performance.

Sturm should have pressed Oscar more, considering it was apparent that Oscar had absolutely no power at 160.

Sturm coulda made oscar quit or his conor throw in the towl, but i think he was a little scared on the inside, oscar and hagler r his idols i dont think sturm wanted to give a great fighter like DLH a chance to KO him, by the time sturm relized that oscar cant do **** ti was the 11th round. lucky for oscar eh that sturm is a fan of his

real close fight could have been a draw or gone either way, Sturm did not do as much as he had to do to win that fight on that night

I had it a draw..but I could have gone either way. I'm an Oscar homer, so my vote probably doesn't count :D

Neither guy was inspiring

and u guys need to learn how to judge fights ^^

and u guys need to learn how to judge fights ^^

are you giving lessons anytime soon?

sincerly,

marvdaverules

are you giving lessons anytime soon?

sincerly,

marvdaverules


sure am.


lesson 1. a fight that is 2004 robbery of the year or runner up is not a close fight. hope that helps

the reason people say it was a robbery was cause it was Oscar. If Sturm was fighting Joe Blow and lost nobody would even say anything. But everyone expects Oscar to distroy bums like Sturm. If Sturm was a contender he would have Knocked out Oscar. Oscar was fat he was winded and he was fighting at a weight way to much for him. Its a disgrace in my opinion how Strum has a record of 20 somthing wins with only 9Ko's but that depends on what kind of fighter u like. I give him credit for putting a good fight agaist a fat out of shape hall of famer, but i dont put him in the same sentence with a Jermain Taylor or even Kingsley Ikeke.

the reason people say it was a robbery was cause it was Oscar. If Sturm was fighting Joe Blow and lost nobody would even say anything. But everyone expects Oscar to distroy bums like Sturm. If Sturm was a contender he would have Knocked out Oscar. Oscar was fat he was winded and he was fighting at a weight way to much for him. Its a disgrace in my opinion how Strum has a record of 20 somthing wins with only 9Ko's but that depends on what kind of fighter u like. I give him credit for putting a good fight agaist a fat out of shape hall of famer, but i dont put him in the same sentence with a Jermain Taylor or even Kingsley Ikeke.


wow what a joke you are, tell me who has came close to knockign out oscar before sturm? tell me who is the first person to ko DLH? seems u guys are underestimating DLH here a bit, it took 9 rounds for one of the top 5 middleweights ever to KO oscar. not in the same sentence as ikeke and taylor? plz, go tell that to ring magazine. u dont have to KO everyone u fight in order to be good

wow what a joke you are, tell me who has came close to knockign out oscar before sturm? tell me who is the first person to ko DLH? seems u guys are underestimating DLH here a bit, it took 9 rounds for one of the top 5 middleweights ever to KO oscar. not in the same sentence as ikeke and taylor? plz, go tell that to ring magazine. u dont have to KO everyone u fight in order to be good


what the point of disrespecting me like that tho?? a Joke ?? Im only stating my opininon no reason for that.

Anyways i think Hopkins could have Ko earlier but thats how Hopkins has been these last years, he starts slow and then gets stronger.

Sturm didnt give Oscar beating the way a middleweight should have. But i odnt think just throwing jabs merits a win for u. I think he controlled the end of the fight when he starting more combinations. It depends on how you judge it. Some people judge it by the power blows some by how bussy some by other things. IN my opinion i dont think Sturm won those first few rounds, but did win the sencond half except the 12.

what the point of disrespecting me like that tho?? a Joke ?? Im only stating my opininon no reason for that.

Anyways i think Hopkins could have Ko earlier but thats how Hopkins has been these last years, he starts slow and then gets stronger.

Sturm didnt give Oscar beating the way a middleweight should have. But i odnt think just throwing jabs merits a win for u. I think he controlled the end of the fight when he starting more combinations. It depends on how you judge it. Some people judge it by the power blows some by how bussy some by other things. IN my opinion i dont think Sturm won those first few rounds, but did win the sencond half except the 12.

he didnt win the 12th round? k im done talkign cause now i know u dont know how to score. yr opnion is fine as long as u dotn steer away from facts which u do.

well i thought he came in and contected good shots in the bigging of the round and in the end of the round before Sturm started running. I think Sturm kinda got the middle of the round but with about 2 or thre punches when Oscar got winded again

anyways where are u form StrumRules? Cause obviously uve seen Sturm fight more than once? And how come u like him so much he doesnt have anything special in my opinion, what do u like about him?

I think Sturm nicked it, close but Sturm edged it. HBO weren`t gonna let the fans down because they were wanting Hopkins/De La Hoya so they gave it to De La Hoya.

if sturm is such a sack of crap and is no good why couldnt dlh win, u guys rip sturm like he is nothing if he was nothing DLh shoulda owned him. Sturm gave DLH his worse beating and i dont see why u guys cant see that

if sturm is such a sack of crap and is no good why couldnt dlh win, u guys rip sturm like he is nothing if he was nothing DLh shoulda owned him. Sturm gave DLH his worse beating and i dont see why u guys cant see that


He gave him a worse beating than Bernard Hopkins????

OR Shane Mosely 1, or Tito Trinidad???

He gave him a worse beating than Bernard Hopkins????

OR Shane Mosely 1, or Tito Trinidad???

ummm yes, tito gave oscar a beating? lmao

well maybe mosley did, but i dunno

and DLH was doing quite well agasint B-hop, was a close fight till it ended.

so ya maybe mosley, but for a so called nobody to give a hall of famer and such a great boxer in DLH that kind of beating he cant be that bad now can he

Oscar vs shane 1

Total punches
DLH / Shane
257/718 - 284/678

Jabs
DLH / Shane
92/270 - 110/374

Power Connects
DLH / Shane
165/448 - 174/304



Oscar Vs Sturm

Total Punches
DLH / Sturm
188/792 - 234/541


Jabs

DLH / Sturm

58/398 - 112/306


Power Connects

DLH / Sturm
130/394 - 112/235


Sturm had a 1% overrall punch better then mosley

Mosley 42% Sturm 43%
Mosely had a 29% jab hit sturm had 37%
Mosely had a 57% power hit connect to sturms 52%.


they both beat up oscar pretty damn good

I scored the fight 116-112 Sturm which I still remember though I lost my scorecard. During the fight I really tried to give possibly close rounds to DLH.

It was a robbery and it is beyond me how anyone with some sense could've possibly given the fight to DLH. All the judges scored the 12th for DLH which was a round that Sturm was clearly winning if I remember correctly.

Hopkins-DLH was too big. That's how the business works. I'm not bitter, over here in Germany the same things happen. The only thing that makes me wonder is how anyone can say that it could've gone either way. It was a clearcut UD hands down.

And I wont even comment on some of the comments about Felix Sturm. I've done this over and over again. Doesn't change a thing. Sad thing is that these posters will be the first to claim "told ya so" when he's the undisputed champ.

The HBO commentators said it best:"Sturm was a part of something bigger than this fight" The fight was a commercial for the Hopkins/De La Hoya fight, there was no way in hell they were giving it to Sturm. What do you guys think HBO is going to lose all that money to be gained from Hopkins/De La Hoya. Oh and let's ALL JUST FORGET the fact that the WBO(title that was robbed from Sturm)was given 3% of the earnings from Hopkins/De La Hoya.

Fact is they just ripped Sturm's title away from him and said "**** you and have a very nice trip back to wherever the **** your from..." He was robbed, point blank!

The HBO commentators said it best:"Sturm was a part of something bigger than this fight" The fight was a commercial for the Hopkins/De La Hoya fight, there was no way in hell they were giving it to Sturm. What do you guys think HBO is going to lose all that money to be gained from Hopkins/De La Hoya. Oh and let's ALL JUST FORGET the fact that the WBO(title that was robbed from Sturm)was given 3% of the earnings from Hopkins/De La Hoya.

Fact is they just ripped Sturm's title away from him and said "**** you and have a very nice trip back to wherever the **** your from..." He was robbed, point blank!



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I could sure use 1M points... :D

I could sure use 1M points... :D





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Sturmrules why do u like sturm so much?? and where u from??

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Oh the drama is too much...1,000,000!!! Damn, I got so excited I SHARTED!!!

But on the real, Thanks Man, appreciate it! :D

sure am.


lesson 1. a fight that is 2004 robbery of the year or runner up is not a close fight. hope that helps

thanks..do you have cliff notes?

thanks..do you have cliff notes?


i dont know what that means. :D

i dont know what that means. :D

they are the yellow books you buy at the bookstore that are a shortened version of books/novels. People use them to study for school. Mostly for college assignments.

of course I've only heard of them since I never did much studying ;)